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Zorn List Digest         Friday, May 11 2001         Volume 03 : Number 419



In this issue:
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       Poetry/music (question)
       Buckethead ill
       Re: Poetry/music (question)
       Re: Poetry/music
       RE: prince!?!
       Re: poetry/music
       Brotzmann/AMM middle ground
       RE: prince!?!
       Re: prince!?!
       Re: prince!?!

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Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 09:51:20 -0400
From: David Keffer <[e-mail]>
Subject: Poetry/music (question)

From: Scott Handley <[e-mail]>
> anyone has recommendations or examples of excellent
> meetings of avant-garde music with poetry or prose.

There are two recordings that feature Derek Bailey reciting poetry of
others while playing guitar.  Both are very fun.  Don't know about the
availability of either.  Sometimes see them on ebay though.

1986, Darn it!, american clave AMCL 1018.
    A double CD compilation of Paul Haines pieces containing two Bailey tracks.
1993, II (of) XXVIII, Rectangle BA 7" single. Two poems of Ben Watson.

David K.


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Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 09:04:10 -0500
From: "Robert A. Pleshar" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Buckethead ill

In the interest of news of Zorn collaborators, here's some Guns 'n' Roses
news, note that they also use Mr. Head's real name.

ALLSTAR NEWS

With less than a month to go before launching its first tour in eight years,
Guns N' Roses has cancelled its pending European road trip citing illness on
the part of guitarist Buckethead.

The 14-date tour was set to begin June 1 with the Rock Im Park in Nuremberg,
Germany, and culminate with the Roskilde Festival June 28 in Denmark. A source
close to the band told allstar that Buckethead, a.k.a. Brian Carroll, has been
too ill to rehearse with the group and that medical experts have yet to
determine the source of some reported internal hemorrhaging. They say that
more
tests are required.

It's thought that the guitarist is being treated on an outpatient basis at
home
in Southern California and is not currently hospitalized. According to a note
from the guitarist's official Webmaster, "Buckethead is OK at this point in
time. The problem is still being looked into."

The revamped group, which consists of Buckethead, guitarists Robin Finck and
Paul Tobias (a.k.a. Huge), bassist Tommy Stinson, keyboardist Dizzy Reed, and
drummer Brain backing singer Axl Rose, has only performed together twice -- a
New Year's Eve performance in Las Vegas and a mid-January appearance at
Rock in
Rio in Rio De Janeiro.

An album, Chinese Democracy, has been underway for six years and is currently
thought to be in the final mixing stages. Although Interscope, the band's
label, has consistently declined to guess at a release date, the most recent
speculation had the album out this summer, although that no longer appears to
be the case.

Buckethead performed a solo show April 20 in San Francisco, and according to
Bucketheadland.com, his official Web site, he has several CD and soundtrack
projects underway as well, including a solo CD titled Somewhere Over the
Slaughterhouse due out next month on the Stray Records label.


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Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 09:41:27 -0500
From: Herb Levy <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Poetry/music (question)

Scott Handley <[e-mail]> wrote:

>Since we've touched on this, I was going to ask if
>anyone has recommendations or examples of excellent
>meetings of avant-garde music with poetry or prose.
>Yes, that's unhelpfully broad, but I ran across a book
>by a favorite poet, Clark Coolidge, called THE ROVA
>IMPROVISATIONS; have not read it, but apparently
>there's some connection with some improvisations by
>the group.  Here's a link:
>
>http://www.sunmoon.com/classics/coolidge_rova.html

This Clark Coolidge book is HIS improvisations, as a writer, while
listening to all of the recordings of ROVA up to that time. He's done
several projects like this, including some that appeared as liner
notes for a Cecil Taylor release on Hat hut (I can't remember which
one right now). Coolidge has also made other works by responding to
work as well as more actively collaborating with other artists. There
is, for instance, a wonderful book he did with painter Phillip Guston.

>Also, I seem to have heard that there are extant
>recordings of Allen Ginsberg reading in front of a
>band led by Charles Mingus; perhaps I'm imagining
>this.

Off hand, I don't know of this, but there are a lot of beat/jazz
projects starting from the fifties through the present day. I haven't
kept up with re-issues and new recordings in this mode.

What's interesting to me about projects like the Coolidge ROVA book,
and some others that I'll dig around for references to later today or
this weekend, is the writing bears an analogous relation to poetry in
the beat mode as ROVA's music's relation to jazz. By which I mean,
there are some roots in the earlier styles, but also formal and/or
technical directions that come from and go to some very different
places.

- --
Herb Levy
Mappings on Antenna Internet Radio
http://www.antennaradio.com/avant/mappings/
[e-mail]

Mappings
P O Box 9369
Forth Wort, TX 76147

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Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 10:56:51 -0400 (EDT)
From: Ken Waxman <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Poetry/music

There's, of course, the "granddaddies" of them all:

A symposium of poetry and music by Charles Mingus
(Bethlehem) where an actor reads his (Mingus') "Scenes
In The City" and LeRoi Jones and the New York Art
Quartet's "Black Dada Niihilismus" (ESP)

Live at the Vision Fest, for instance, Amiri is still
quite impressive, but he almost ruins the NYAQ reunion
on DIW. He has to raise his voice on nearly every tune
and if someone intoning "poopoocaca" and drowning out
Rudd, Tchicai etc. is "poetry", then are we in
trouble.

Ken Waxman

- --- [e-mail] wrote:
>
> I'm surprised nobody's mentioned yet Steve
> Dalachinsky's "Incomplete Directions" CD (Knitting
> Factory Records, 1999).  Poetry with accompanments
> by William Parker, Matthew Shipp, Susie Ibarra, Mat
> Manari, Assif Tsahar, etc.  Excellent?  I dunno, but
> definitely interesting.


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Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 11:10:47 -0400
From: "Steve Smith" <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: prince!?!

I don't know that I'd liken Prince's live shows to Miles and Sun Ra... that
seems kind of a stretch.  And yes, his albums his been spotty in recent
years, though there's something redeeming on each and every one of them
(true that you might reach a point of diminishing returns when you're
talking about a few items spread out over a 3 or 4 CD set).  Prince's legal
battles with his label sort of sapped his creativity for a while.

That said, I saw him twice, on the tour right after 'Purple Rain' and the
one for 'Lovesexy,' and was completely blown away both times, especially the
latter time.  He leads a crack band and plays it like an instrument, which
is probably where the comparisons you cite came from.  Equally hyperbolic, I
remember coming out of the 'Lovesexy' show convinced that Prince was a
modern Ellington (back off, Ken!  I was a lot younger then!).  The show had
been expertly paced, the material was all first rate and varied, and Prince
himself was a dynamo.

Curiously, that night I'd had a choice between Prince and seeing Sonic Youth
on the 'Daydream Nation' tour at another venue.  I went to the Prince show
without regrets, and as I came out, I wondered if there might have been a
chance of actually catching Sonic Youth as well.  But I decided that no, it
must be too late.  The next day I heard that Sonic Youth had gone to the
Prince show as well, and started their own set late as a result.

Don't know if I'd pay $50 at this point, but he's certainly worth seeing.

Steve Smith
[e-mail]


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Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 09:40:02 -0700 (PDT)
From: kris tiner <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: poetry/music

Just joined the Zorn list and enjoying watching all
the discussion very much...

Regarding the spoken word/improvisation thread...I
hope you all have checked out some of the recent
recordings that Wadada Leo Smith has done along with
his wife, the poet Harumi Makino Smith...she brings a
very interesting and compelling dimension to his
groups and his music.  I'm talking about "Condor,
Autumn Wind" on Wobbly Rail (solo Wadada with Harumi's
poetry); "Golden Hearts Remembrance" on Chap Chap; and
"Tao-Njia" and "Light Upon Light" on Tzadik...these
all feature some very fine integration of spoken word
with Wadada's composition/improvisation.  Most of
these you can check out at Leo's website at
http://shoko.calarts.edu/~wls

I've been working with a group that utilizes
improvised spoken word and recitation along with bass
and trumpet improvisation...we have some recordings
going up on mp3.com soon...I will post to this group
when that happens.

regards,
Kris

=====
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email: [e-mail]
website: http://www.kristiner.com
music: http://www.mp3.com/kristiner
=====================================================>
the bakersfield composer/improvisers collaborative
http://www.geocities.com/kris_tiner/bcic.html

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Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 17:44:25
From: "William York" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Brotzmann/AMM middle ground

>Not that they [Brotzmann and AMM] are necessarily polar opposites, but >why
>does it seem that things like this either fall under intense and >possibly
>insensitive or restrained and possibly boring?  Seems that >when one wears
>itself out it can bring in the other.  If somebody knows >of some music
>that works like that I'd be interested.  Cause there are >times when
>Brotzmann is the only one digging what he's doing and AMM >could bust out
>just a bit.

This may not specifically relate, because neither AMM nor Brotzmann are
really influences/reference points/whatever -- plus you may well already
know about them -- but I find that the Tim Berne/Bloodcount CDs fit this
description for me. Any of the Screwgun albums, but especially the 3CD
Unwound set.

Also, I guess you could say Evan Parker, especially since he has played w/
Brotzmann as well as the AMM guys. Maybe his stuff with the Schlippenbach
trio (Elf Bagetellan maybe) fits this bill??

curious to see what others think,

WY
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Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 14:54:24 -0300
From: mwoodwor <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: prince!?!

Thanks Steve and other people who have sent me advice, but the plot has
just thickened -

I just found out that most of the shows that people on this list would be
interested in watching in MOntreal during JazzFest are not part of the
festival but are at a place called ' Casa de popolo ' everyone from solo Evan
Parker, susie iberra, Joe/Matt Maneri, Tim Berne Trio, derek bailey, etc. etc.
are playing over a few week period -

so my new problem is the New York group TEST is playing at this venue on the
same night as prince, sounds like just the kind of high energy free improv. I
love - yet I've never heard actual reports about them live - it's become  a
TEST vs. PRINCE title match - who would have ever guessed it, and does anyone
have any words of wisdom on what the TEST live show should/could be like,

place your vote, Prince or TEST???

w.
BTW I realized I will get there the day of Arto Lindsay, so not so upset now
NP King Sunny Ade - Juju music


>===== Original Message From <[e-mail]> =====
>I don't know that I'd liken Prince's live shows to Miles and Sun Ra... that
>seems kind of a stretch.  And yes, his albums his been spotty in recent
>years, though there's something redeeming on each and every one of them
>(true that you might reach a point of diminishing returns when you're
>talking about a few items spread out over a 3 or 4 CD set).  Prince's legal
>battles with his label sort of sapped his creativity for a while.
>
>That said, I saw him twice, on the tour right after 'Purple Rain' and the
>one for 'Lovesexy,' and was completely blown away both times, especially the
>latter time.  He leads a crack band and plays it like an instrument, which
>is probably where the comparisons you cite came from.  Equally hyperbolic, I
>remember coming out of the 'Lovesexy' show convinced that Prince was a
>modern Ellington (back off, Ken!  I was a lot younger then!).  The show had
>been expertly paced, the material was all first rate and varied, and Prince
>himself was a dynamo.
>
>Curiously, that night I'd had a choice between Prince and seeing Sonic Youth
>on the 'Daydream Nation' tour at another venue.  I went to the Prince show
>without regrets, and as I came out, I wondered if there might have been a
>chance of actually catching Sonic Youth as well.  But I decided that no, it
>must be too late.  The next day I heard that Sonic Youth had gone to the
>Prince show as well, and started their own set late as a result.
>
>Don't know if I'd pay $50 at this point, but he's certainly worth seeing.
>
>Steve Smith
>[e-mail]


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Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 11:05:25 -0700
From: "Z~s" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: prince!?!

>>>place your vote, Prince or TEST???<<<

Play In The Sunshine

(Play) (Play) (Play) {fade in}
Ooh doggie!

We wanna play in the sunshine, we wanna be free
Without the help of a margarita or exstacy
We wanna kick like we used 2, sign up on the dotted line
We're gonna dance every dance like it's gonna be the last time

We got 2 play in the sunshine, turn all the lights up 2 10
I wanna meet U (meet U) and kiss U (kiss U)
And love U (love U) and miss U (miss U)
Do it all over again, do it all over again

We're gonna play in the sunshine, we're gonna get over
I'm feelin' kind of lucky 2night, I'm gonna find my 4-leaf clover
Before my life is done
Some way (some way), some how (some how) I'm gonna have fun

Play in the sunshine

We gonna love all our enemies 'til the gorilla falls off the wall
We're gonna rock him (Rock him)
We're gonna roll him (Roll him)
We're gonna teach him that love will make him tall (So tall)

Aah, pop goes the music when the big white rabbit begin 2 talk
And the color green will make your best friend leave ya (Walk)
It'll make them do "The Walk," but that's cool (That's cool)
Cuz one day (one day), every day (every day) will be a yellow day, let's play

(Play in the sunshine, we're gonna get over) Over
I'm feelin' kind of lucky 2night, I'm gonna find my 4-leaf clover
(Before my life is done) Before my life is done
Some way (some way), some how (some how) I'm gonna have fun

(Play) No!
Now get loose
Play! {x8}

We're gonna play in the sunshine, we're gonna get over
I'm feelin' kind of lucky 2night, I'm gonna find my 4-leaf clover
Before my life is done
I'm gonna, some way, some how, have fun

(Play in the sunshine, we're gonna get over)
(I'm feelin' kind of lucky 2night, I'm gonna find my 4-leaf clover)
Before my life is done!
Some way, some how, I just got 2 have fun!

(Play) (Play)
(Play) No! {x3}
(Come on, play) No!
(Play) No!
(Play play play) Yeah!

Drummer, do your thing
Drummer, drummer, do your thing
Drummer, drummer, drummer
Can I get some of that? (Yeah yeah)
Wait a minute
Ha ha

Let's get out of here (Yeah)

(La la la la la, la la la) {x5}
(Play in the sunshine)
We're not afraid 2 (Play in the sunshine)
We are going 2 (Play in the sunshine) (In the sunshine)
(Play in the sunshine)


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Date: Sat, 12 May 2001 11:13:38 -0700
From: Skip Heller <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: prince!?!

> Thanks Steve and other people who have sent me advice, but the plot has
> just thickened -
>
> I just found out that most of the shows that people on this list would be
> interested in watching in MOntreal during JazzFest are not part of the
> festival but are at a place called ' Casa de popolo ' everyone from solo Evan
> Parker, susie iberra, Joe/Matt Maneri, Tim Berne Trio, derek bailey, etc. etc.
> are playing over a few week period -
>
> so my new problem is the New York group TEST is playing at this venue on the
> same night as prince, sounds like just the kind of high energy free improv. I
> love - yet I've never heard actual reports about them live - it's become  a
> TEST vs. PRINCE title match - who would have ever guessed it, and does anyone
> have any words of wisdom on what the TEST live show should/could be like,
>
> place your vote, Prince or TEST???
>
> w.
> BTW I realized I will get there the day of Arto Lindsay, so not so upset now
> NP King Sunny Ade - Juju music
>
>
>> ===== Original Message From <[e-mail]> =====
>> I don't know that I'd liken Prince's live shows to Miles and Sun Ra... that
>> seems kind of a stretch.  And yes, his albums his been spotty in recent
>> years, though there's something redeeming on each and every one of them
>> (true that you might reach a point of diminishing returns when you're
>> talking about a few items spread out over a 3 or 4 CD set).  Prince's legal
>> battles with his label sort of sapped his creativity for a while.
>>
>> That said, I saw him twice, on the tour right after 'Purple Rain' and the
>> one for 'Lovesexy,' and was completely blown away both times, especially the
>> latter time.  He leads a crack band and plays it like an instrument, which
>> is probably where the comparisons you cite came from.  Equally hyperbolic, I
>> remember coming out of the 'Lovesexy' show convinced that Prince was a
>> modern Ellington (back off, Ken!  I was a lot younger then!).  The show had
>> been expertly paced, the material was all first rate and varied, and Prince
>> himself was a dynamo.
>>
>> Curiously, that night I'd had a choice between Prince and seeing Sonic Youth
>> on the 'Daydream Nation' tour at another venue.  I went to the Prince show
>> without regrets, and as I came out, I wondered if there might have been a
>> chance of actually catching Sonic Youth as well.  But I decided that no, it
>> must be too late.  The next day I heard that Sonic Youth had gone to the
>> Prince show as well, and started their own set late as a result.
>>
>> Don't know if I'd pay $50 at this point, but he's certainly worth seeing.
>>
>> Steve Smith
>> [e-mail]
>
>
> -
>
Personally, I'd go to see Prince.  When it comes to free improv, you really
take an enormous chance as a consumer.  When it's Prince, you know you're
getting a quality rhythm'n'blues show, and there's really nothing better in
life than a quality rhythm'n'blues show.

skip heller

np: babyface -- for the cool in you


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