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Zorn List Digest       Wednesday, April 18 2001       Volume 03 : Number 390



In this issue:
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       Re: Guilty Pleasures
       Re: unconditional love
       Re: playlists
       Re: The Knack / Duran / Kajagoogoo (was: Guilty Choices)
       Re(2): playlists
       Re: The Knack / Duran / Kajagoogoo (was: Guilty Choices)
       More Avant Strings
       concert distances 2
       Re: Zorn List Digest V3 #389
       RE: The Knack / Duran / Kajagoogoo (was: Guilty Choices)
       RE: [no zorn] guilty crimson - LONG (as you might expect...)
       RE: The Knack / Duran / Kajagoogoo (was: Guilty Choices)
       Deadheads or Phishheads
       Zornlist T-shirts...
       Oliveros
       Re: The Knack / Duran / Kajagoogoo (was: Guilty Choices)
       Re: ordinary fanfares playlist #4

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Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2001 11:10:08 -0400
From: Mark Saleski <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Guilty Pleasures

Hall & Oates

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"Is it so wrong, wanting to be at home with your record collection?" -
Nick Hornby



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Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2001 08:12:09 -0700
From: "Patrice L. Roussel" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: unconditional love

On Tue, 17 Apr 2001 23:35:03 -0600  Frank Malczewski wrote:
>
> Good choices, actually.  Though I'd go with "The Kick Inside".

I would stick to HOUNDS OF LOVE, or THE DREAMING.

    Patrice.

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Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2001 17:16:36 +0200
From: "Andreas Dietz" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: playlists

>From: "Martin Wisckol" <[e-mail]>
>
>HOME CHANGER
>3. Don Cherry -- Cool (just released live duet with Eddie Blackwell)

can someone give any details about this release - is it comparable to El
Corazon?

Andreas
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Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2001 11:21:55 EDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: The Knack / Duran / Kajagoogoo (was: Guilty Choices)

In a message dated 4/18/01 10:09:44 AM, [e-mail] writes:

<< Wonder if we'll ever see Jon Abbey again after all this nonsense... ;-) >>

I'm still here, and I even tried to come up with something to contribute to
this thread, but my guilty pleasures don't go much further these days than
owning every Jandek CD. I did own Get the Knack, though, and I even bought
the second Knack record, ...But the Little Girls Understand.

as far as the distance thread, I'm driving five hours each way this weekend
to see the AMM/Christian Wolff show at Dartmouth. next month, I'm flying from
NYC to Milan, then driving to Bologna, just to see the MIMEO/John Tilbury
show, which should only last a couple of hours.

great night at Tonic last night. first up was Derek Bailey/Will Gaines.
Gaines is a tap dancer in his seventies (as Bailey said, their combined ages
are 148!), but is still full of energy. Derek seemed more interesting in
playing behind and with Gaines than by himself; whenever Gaines took a rest,
Bailey played by himself for a minute or two, then just started casually
strumming until Gaines started tapping again. a fun set.

next was IST, Simon Fell/Mark Wastell/Rhodri Davies, all making their US
debuts. IST is a string trio, bass, harp and cello, respectively. normally
they play both compositions and improvs, but this was a series of improvs.
these guys really use their whole instrument, bowing and rubbing everything
within reach. one memorable piece began with all three of them bowing small
metal bowls and bells, getting a Tibetan bowl effect. Wastell also had one
great sequence where he somehow got splintering noises from his bow, which
went on for a few minutes with no apparent damage. this set was really great,
incredibly tight, ranging from angrily destructive to subtle sounds on the
edge of inaudibility, and made even more impressive by the fact that Davies
was using his "travelling harp", roughly half the size of the one he uses in
Europe. my friend compared seeing them to Polwechsel, and there's a definite
overlap in sensibilities. great set.

as if that weren't enough, next were the trio of Holz For Europa, Wolfgang
Fuchs, Peter Van Bergen and Hans Koch. they played for more than an hour,
each on three or four different horns, including the first piece, a subtle,
rumbling contrabass clarinet trio. I-Sound sat in for the last twenty
minutes, underlining the horns with some subtle beats and sampled drum sounds
(Simon Fell was certain after the show that these were from Simon Vincent on
the VHF Erstwhile CD). one of the best things about this set was just seeing
all of the beautiful horns on their stands covering the stage. contrabass
clarinets are probably six feet long.

a long, really nice night of music. kudos to Tonic for putting it on.

now I'm off to see every show left on the AMM tour, starting in Baltimore
tomorrow night.

Jon
www.erstwhilerecords.com

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Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2001 08:21:33 -0700
From: "Martin Wisckol" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re(2): playlists

[e-mail] writes:
>>From: "Martin Wisckol" <[e-mail]>
>>
>>HOME CHANGER
>>3. Don Cherry -- Cool (just released live duet with Eddie Blackwell)
>
>can someone give any details about this release - is it comparable to El
>Corazon?
>
I find that it captures Cherry's charm a bit better than El Corazon. It's
closer to Mu, and I suspect recorded about that time (anybody know the
recording date?). Lots of flutes, plus piano and trumpet.
>



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Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2001 10:34:22 -0500
From: Joseph Zitt <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: The Knack / Duran / Kajagoogoo (was: Guilty Choices)

On Wed, Apr 18, 2001 at 11:21:55AM -0400, [e-mail] wrote:

> now I'm off to see every show left on the AMM tour, starting in Baltimore
> tomorrow night.

I wish we had Zorn-list T-shirts, so we all could easily recognize each
other. I'm eagerly looking forward to Baltimore tomorrow (and Evan Parker
in DC tonight, and the Cobra at George Washington U. Saturday). Wheee!

n.p. Derek Bailey & Keijo Haino -- otherwise unlabeled live clip grabbed
via Napster.

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Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2001 17:37:00 +0200
From: "Andreas Dietz" <[e-mail]>
Subject: More Avant Strings

I┤m a little bit late on this thread, but my two cents:

Italian String Trio: Renato Geremia on violin, Paolo Damiani on cello and
Bruno Tommaso on bass. A really outstanding string trio - worth checking
out.

Canvas Trio: Carlos Zingaro on violin, Joelle Leandre on bass and Ruediger
Carl on accordian and clarinet. I don┤t know if they are still together but
I hope so. It┤s definitely one of my first selections in this vein.

Andreas

np: Sam Rivers - Portrait (FMP)
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Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2001 12:39:49 -0300
From: mwoodwor <[e-mail]>
Subject: concert distances 2

ah, I almost forgot - many moons ago when I was 'younger,' myself and
3 friends drove approximately 5 hours to see Pavement (just after slanted and
enchanted was released: while they still had their original (and crazy)
drummer) in Vancouver. The show wound up sometime after midnight and we
started the 5 hour journey home THAT NIGHT (we had driven there on the same
day).
Berry Berry bad Idea, I will always remember waking up in the back of that
station wagon to see THE DRIVER's SLEEPING head half-resting on the steering
wheel as it spun our car OFF OF THE ROAD... and into a big field, thank
goodness (there are many areas of the drive back from Vancouver, where we
would have been off of a very high cliff).  Needless to say, we were all very
shaken up and vowed NEVER to do such a stupid thing again... that is until, we
saw the notice for the My bloody Valentine/Yo la Tengo double bill about a
month later.......

w


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Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2001 12:01:47 -0400
From: Christopher eaton <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Zorn List Digest V3 #389

deadheads or phishheads.  you all make me laugh.  i went on tour with phish
last summer with two firends.  one section had us driving up to toronto,
catching a show, driving the next day all the way down to pittsburgh,
seeing a show, getting 3 hrs of sleep in a cheap motel before driving 13
(!) hours to see a show in wisconsin, then double-tracking back the next
day after that to set up camp in indiana for a few days.  this was my life
for three weeks.

needless to say, i was quite stupid near the end.

~christopher



> Nay.  But I did drive from Binghamton to NYC (4 hours) to see Elvis
> Costello  and Burt Bacharach at Radio City Music Hall.  After the show I
> drove to CT (2  and a half hours) to meet a friend.  I crashed on his
> couch, got up, then we  drove to Washington D.C. (about six hours) for
> another EC/BB show.  After  that we drove all the way to Massachusetts
> (about 9 hours, maybe more).
>
> And they were the worst Elvis shows I've ever attended.
>
> When Ilived in CA I had friends fly out from Boston for a Tom Waits
> concert.
>
> I once flew to Las Vegas from Boston to see Elvis Costello.  From Vegas I
> drove to LA where I saw Elvis twice.  Then I drove to SF.
>
> My best friend Craig flew from Boston to London just for a Rick Wakeman
> show.
>
> This is nothing compared to Deadheads.
>
> Tom


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Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2001 11:41:09 -0400
From: "Steve Smith" <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: The Knack / Duran / Kajagoogoo (was: Guilty Choices)

Thank God, Jon's as susceptible to crap as the rest of us.  ;-)

I used to own the first two Knack albums as well.  If either of us had gone
as far as owning the third, however, I might be worried.  Can't remember the
title, but I can clearly picture the cover, a crane shot of the band against
a bright red background...

Thanks for the review of last night's Tonic show, by the way.  I was bummed
to miss it, but duty called - which included a shot of Finlandia vodka
containing a small dead fish.  Try ordering THAT at Tonic...  Now I'm even
more bummed that I missed the show, but glad to hear it was so memorable.
Hope that the next three nights of Company at Tonic provide the members of
IST with the opportunity to display more of what you've described.

And do provide reports of the AMM shows.  Jon Abbey, the world's first
itinerant "AMMhead"!

Steve Smith
[e-mail]
NP - Beethoven, Symphony No. 9, 4th mvt., Bayreuth/Furtwangler (EMI)


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Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2001 12:03:33 -0400
From: "Steve Smith" <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: [no zorn] guilty crimson - LONG (as you might expect...)

Agreed regarding the value of the Collectors Club 'Beat Club' performance.
I'd owned much of this on boot for a while, but hearing it in decent studio
sound was a real treat.  Recently bought a bootleg videotape that included
the first half of the "Larks' Tongues in Aspic, Part One" performance from
that show.  As striking as it is to hear Muir, seeing him perform in that
bright red fur jacket is better still...

Agreed as well about character of the performance of "The Creator Has a
Master Plan," but here the value to me was twofold.  First, as a Crim freak
with about three feet of boots on the shelf, it was revelatory to me to hear
a performance of which I had no previous knowledge.  That, in itself, would
have been enough.  But the archaeologist in me was also overwhelmed to hear
motifs from "Larks' Tongues in Aspic, Part One" snuck into that performance
of "Creator."  I knew that the '71-'72 band had dabbled once or twice
previous in material that would be developed by the '73-'74 band, but it's
still jarring and amazing to hear it, especially in this context.  I don't
exactly know how to describe this so that a non-Crimson fan could understand
it (I'm not thinking of you, Joseph, but the other 1000 people on the list
who hve no idea what we're talking about.)  Maybe sort of like if the 1956
version of the Miles Davis Quintet had suddenly snuck in a few bars of
"Bitches Brew," or the Mothers of Invention had tried their hand at "G-Spot
Tornado."  Or something like that.

Steve Smith
[e-mail]
NP - Brahms, Ein Deutsches Requiem - mvt 1, Philharmonia/Klemperer (EMI)


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Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2001 12:09:25 EDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: RE: The Knack / Duran / Kajagoogoo (was: Guilty Choices)

In a message dated Wed, 18 Apr 2001 10:09:44 AM Eastern Daylight Time, "Steve Smith" <[e-mail]> writes:

> "My Sharona," which was common enough currency
> that Weird Al Yankovic did a send-up, "My Bologna"

And don't forget "Ay-ay-ay-ay-Ayatolla," the immortal soundtrack to the Iran hostage crisis.  Who did *that* take-off?  I don't think I ever knew.

David

np: Leroy Jenkins w/ Muhal Richard Abrams, Lifelong Ambitions

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Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2001 11:15:47 -0500
From: Jay Mote <[e-mail]>
Subject: Deadheads or Phishheads

>===== Original Message From Christopher eaton <[e-mail]>
=====
>deadheads or phishheads.  you all make me laugh.  i went on tour with phish
>last summer with two firends.  one section had us driving up to toronto,
>catching a show, driving the next day all the way down to pittsburgh,
>seeing a show, getting 3 hrs of sleep in a cheap motel before driving 13
>(!) hours to see a show in wisconsin, then double-tracking back the next
>day after that to set up camp in indiana for a few days.  this was my life
>for three weeks.

- -all of this to a) see the mindless songless tripe offered up by guitar
wankers
b) scrog hippy chicks who eat too much chocolate c) enjoy the U.S. countryside
d) witness artless masterbatory dancing by smelly folks w/o jobs selling LSD
e) waste time & energy

>needless to say, i was quite stupid near the end.

- -Hmmmm....I don't doubt it. From the music or the acid or the smells? or some
combination of these?

- -You can commit suicide anytime now. You've seen it all.

J out


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Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2001 12:15:10 -0400
From: "Steve Smith" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Zornlist T-shirts...

... might be frowned upon, since they would no doubt involve images of
Japanese bondage and latent pedophilia... ;-)

In all seriousness, I've found that the best way to meet other Zornlisters
is to arrange it in advance.  I met Jon through a mutual friend, and I think
Brian just overheard my rather large mouth one night at Tonic, but other
than that my encounters with Rrrrrrrrrrrick and Dan and Jason and several
others have been more or less pre-arranged.  In that respect (among others),
I still regret missing your own recent appearance at the Knit.  (And
Francesco, if you're out there reading this, how am I going to identify you
at Tonic this week?)

Steve Smith
[e-mail]
NP - Brahms, Ein Deutsches Requiem-mvt 2, Philharmonia/Klemperer (EMI)

- -----Original Message-----
From: [e-mail]
[mailto:[e-mail]]On Behalf Of Joseph Zitt

I wish we had Zorn-list T-shirts, so we all could easily recognize each
other. I'm eagerly looking forward to Baltimore tomorrow (and Evan Parker
in DC tonight, and the Cobra at George Washington U. Saturday). Wheee!


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Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2001 10:42:17 -0600 (MDT)
From: Matt Plummer <[e-mail]>
Subject: Oliveros

After seeing her last fall with Dana Reason and Phillip Gelb, I was
extremely impressed with Pauline Oliveros.  Can anyone recommend any early
albums that she did... I'm aware of more recent things with Deep Listening
Band, etc.  but I'm not sure exactly where to start for her early stuff.

Thanks,
Matt

Matt Plummer
Coalition for Creative Music


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Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2001 10:32:20 -0700 (PDT)
From: HirakeMike <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: The Knack / Duran / Kajagoogoo (was: Guilty Choices)

- --- [e-mail] wrote:
>
> In a message dated 4/18/01 10:09:44 AM,
> [e-mail] writes:
>
> << Wonder if we'll ever see Jon Abbey again after
> all this nonsense... ;-) >>
>
> I'm still here, and I even tried to come up with
> something to contribute to
> this thread, but my guilty pleasures don't go much
> further these days than
> owning every Jandek CD.

Whats wrong with Jandek?

Actually I just sold 8 LP's I had just sitting here,
and gave away all the cd's.  My Jandek phase ended
quickly, I guess I became too demanding....

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Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2001 19:39:56 +0200
From: Rob Allaert <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: ordinary fanfares playlist #4

Hi,

I suppose you send these mails to the zorn-list. This way lots of people
receive unwanted mail. I'd suggest that instead of making a group-address
with the zornlist included, you send it to your group list and put the
zornlist address in the copy field or as a different address. This way we
can still use a mail rule to redirect all zornmails into a zorn folder.

Am I making sense ?

greetings,

Rob Allaert.


On woensdag, april 18, 2001, at 05:04 , Grey ElkGel wrote:

> ordinary fanfares playlist #4 - april 17, 2001
> wmfo 91.5fm, medford massachussetts // www.wmfo.org
>
> 1. clark-hutchinson: improvisation on a modal scale
> [a=mh2 CD - repertoire]
>
> 2. afrika bambaataa: looking for the perfect beat
> [looking for the perfect beat 1980-1985 CD - tommy
> boy]
>
> 3. brainbombs: anne frank [singles CD - load]
>
> 4. yoshimitsu ichiraku: machine headz [the music of
> surround panner CD - zero gravity]
>
> 5. sven-ake johansson: rasche achtel [six little
> pieces for quintet CD - hatOLOGY]
>
> 6. bethlehem: schatten aus der alexander welt [dictius
> te necare CD - red stream]
>
> 7. hasil adkins: i need your head (...this ain't no
> rock & roll show) [out to hunch LP - norton]
>
> 8. mark bain: skowhegan bridge [vibronics 3" CD -
> staalplaat]
>
> 9. fushitsusha: thought it went so well? [a death
> never to be complete CD - tokuma]
>
> 10. sandro gorli: requiem (ensemble vocal europeen de
> la chapelle royale/philippe herreweghe)
> [gesualdo/gorli CD - harmonia mundi]
>
> 11. hawd gankstuh rappuhs mc's wid ghatz: mind if i
> fart? [2hype 2wype CD - wordsound]
>
> 12. rodney dangerfield: no respect [no respect LP -
> casablanca]
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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>
>


    greetings,
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