I'm sure whatever Dorf paid in artists' guarantees is a small drop in
the bucket compared to what the LA Knit costs were. Ca. real estate is not
cheap,plus construction and equipment costs. That's the big money there.
Not to mention a super bloated web staff. Have you seen the long list of
people(at the website) with fancy titles who don't do shit? Can't even keep
the calendar current. I'm sure they'll be the last to go. To blame his
financial misfortune on artists' guarantees is a big joke.
John Threadgould
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<HTML><FONT FACE=arial,helvetica><BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"><FONT SIZE=2>In a message dated 4/2/01 2:41:21 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
<BR>bashline@hotmail.com writes:
<BR>
<BR>
<BR><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">>>Well, I must admit I'd like to read more of Steve's travails at the
<BR>Knitting
<BR>Factory. But that would be voyeurism and perhaps embarassing for him as
<BR>well. The best result would be for Dorf to sell the place to someone far
<BR>less crass. It would be rather sad to see it go. To think that the
<BR>financial problems were in large part created through artist guarantees at
<BR>the new Knit shows just how ignorant the man is about construction work and
<BR>delays. Why didn't they wait to book artists until after the building was
<BR></FONT><FONT COLOR="#000000" SIZE=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0"> I'm sure whatever Dorf paid in artists' guarantees is a small drop in
<BR>the bucket compared to what the LA Knit costs were. Ca. real estate is not
<BR>cheap,plus construction and equipment costs. That's the big money there.
<BR>Not to mention a super bloated web staff. Have you seen the long list of
<BR>people(at the website) with fancy titles who don't do shit? Can't even keep
<BR>the calendar current. I'm sure they'll be the last to go. To blame his
<BR>financial misfortune on artists' guarantees is a big joke.
<BR> John Threadgould
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Date: Tue, 03 Apr 2001 19:53:27 -0700
From: Skip Heller <velaires@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: Knit unravelling?
> The suggestion that those who whine about ill-treatment at the Knit seek
> alternative employment has some merit: at the very least, most of the bike
> messengers and legal assistants I've known in the past were paid when they
> were supposed to be paid.
or a percentage of it, with all kinds of deductions taken out. Michael
Moore would have a field day at the average bike messnger company
They generally don't have to ask repeatedly for
> their check on payday. They don't usually have their checks held until
> after banking hours deliberately.
They did if they worked at Dianomd Courier in Philly
And I'd guess that most of them don't
> have their paychecks bounce.
That happened more than once.
If listening to Matt Shipp in the office is
> acceptable compensation, so be it. Of course, I remember a preponderance of
> Dusty Springfield and TAFKAP, but that's really mainly due to the employee
> who sat closest to the stereo, and certainly that's a damn site better than
> Michael Bolton.
What's TAFKAP?
skip h
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Date: Tue, 03 Apr 2001 19:58:44 -0700
From: Skip Heller <velaires@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: More Knit unravelling?
>
> As for why Dorf booked and promoted artists prior to the club's opening, I'd
> think that that's most likely standard operating procedure: partially for
> the PR value that the names of the artists provide in the buildup to the
> intended grand opening, partially to build momentum in the market in order
> to be taken seriously by the business, partially because Dorf believed what
> the contractors told him, but mostly just the same dumb, pie-eyed optimism
> that's informed everything he's ever ventured to try.
>
> Steve Smith
> ssmith36@sprynet.com
>
>
> -
>
If you understand the LA club scene, if you want anything to work out here,
you have to literally crash onto the scene with brand-names and hub-bub. He
couldn't open the place with anything less than a ringer. In the course of
all the hoopla, by the time he was actually ready to open, he went from
being regarded as a savior in these parts to having a questionable rep
among, of all things, the ad departments at the various big papers out here.
When the place finally opened, it was not exactly with a whimper, but by no
means with the bang for which they had hoped.
No doubt some hipster children's book writer is toiling away on THE BOY WHO
CRIED 'KNITTING FACTORY' (with a forward by John Lurie).
skip h
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Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2001 21:03:04 -0700 (PDT)
From: Grey ElkGel <greyelkgel@yahoo.com>
Subject: ordinary fanfares #3 (of 4?)
tuesday april 4, 2001
midnight to 2am EST
- - ordinary fanfares #3 -
wmfo 91.5fm medford, MA
webcast: www.wmfo.org
music by: bernard parmegiani, bruce haack, odb, wolf
eyes, etc...
this will likely be the penultimate edition of this
show. the last show will air on tuesday april 17th.
Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com.
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Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2001 22:39:53 -0700 (PDT)
From: Scott Handley <thesubtlebody@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: lightning bolt
- --- William York <william_york@hotmail.com> wrote:
...but it would not include Lightning
> Bolt or those sorts of
> bands ... Like Jon Abbey said, LB strike me as
> coming more out of a no-wave
> tradition...I think some of these no-wave bands are
> interesting,
Not to fetishize some questionably-existant movement,
but who are these new no-wave bands? I mean, maybe
now I'm toting the critical baggage, but Black Dice
and Lightning Bolt carry more than a trace of some
those early No Wave bands, at least the ones I've
heard (Teenage Jesus and Jerks, DNA). 'Spose I should
wait for the Troubleman comp. Another No Wave
question: who were the other No Wave bands, other than
the ones on the NO NEW YORK comp? There was a thread
somewhere recently about this, but I can't remember
any more obscure (!) bands being mentioned. Was this
largely a NYC/Northeast thing?
- -----s
NP: George Harrison: ALL THINGS MUST PASS (never
heard this on vinyl; does this new [2001] CD mix
tamper badly with the original Specter production?)
=====
"Electric guitar gets run over by a car on the highway/This is a crime against the state/This is the meaning of life...
Electric guitar is copied, the copy sounds better/Call this law and justice, call this freedom and liberty/I thought I perjure myself, right in front of the jury!"
