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Zorn List Digest        Monday, March 19 2001        Volume 03 : Number 343



In this issue:
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       John Butcher US tour schedule
       Re: New Sachiko/Toshimaru Cd (No Zorn content)
       Re: John Butcher US tour schedule
       Re: John Butcher US tour schedule
       Company
       Re: wanna buy a bridge
       opprobrium
       Ordinary Fanfares #2
       Re: opprobrium
       ornette
       Re: opprobrium
       RE: Dave Douglas questions
       Re: ornette
       Re: ornette
       otomo interview
       the gift
       Odp: Dave Douglas questions
       Trip to Hell
       Joey Ramone
       wanting to find wynton's views on jazz...
       Re: wanting to find wynton's views on jazz...
       Re: wanting to find wynton's views on jazz...
       RE: Dave Douglas questions
       Re: wanting to find wynton's views on jazz...
       Re: wanting to find wynton's views on jazz...
       Re: Joey Ramone
       Re: wanting to find wynton's views on jazz...
       Re: wanting to find wynton's views on jazz...

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Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2001 19:03:30 EST
From: [e-mail]
Subject: John Butcher US tour schedule

well, I should have posted this a few days ago, but most of it is still
upcoming. any reports on the first couple of shows?

Fri 16 March - Minneapolis
Sat 17 March - Madison + Scott Fields
Sun 18 March - Milwaukee, Woodland Pattern + Michael Zerang
Wed 21 March - Empty Bottle, Chicago + Fred Lonberg-Holm + Michael Zerang
Thu 22 March - Ann Arbor, Kerrytown Concert House
Fri 23 March - New York, Roulette
Sun 25 March - Buffalo, Burchfield-Penney Art Center, 2 pm
Mon 26 March - Rochester, Bop Shop Records
Wed 28 March - Philadelphia + Toshi Makihara
Thu 29 March - Baltimore, Red Room

Jon
www.erstwhilerecords.com

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Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2001 19:10:12 EST
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: New Sachiko/Toshimaru Cd (No Zorn content)

In a message dated 3/18/01 9:27:41 AM, [e-mail] writes:

<< Just listened to "Do" and enjoyed it immensely, but a warning to all you
house-proud listeners out there: even though I wasn't listening at a
particularly loud volume, the bass frequencies had my light fittings
vibrating - and making complimentary sounds - during parts of the first
track. Actually, apart from the possible damage caused it was really rather
nice... >>

that's weird. do doesn't actually have that much bass in it; it's mostly
high-end. I have a pretty big subwoofer in my apartment, and I get that
effect from a lot of records, especially some of the more recent digital
electronic ones. but I never did with do, and I played it pretty damn loud
some of the times. do you have any Mego or Ritornell records? do you get the
same effect from those?

on the other hand, the Stilluppsteypa/TV Pow record I'm releasing in a few
months will most probably also cause that effect, although not for long.

Jon
www.erstwhilerecords.com

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Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2001 16:51:39 -0800
From: "s~Z" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: John Butcher US tour schedule

15 June - Ventura CA/City Hall





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Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2001 21:42:14 -0500
From: Mike Chamberlain <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: John Butcher US tour schedule

on 3/18/01 7:51 PM, s~Z at [e-mail] wrote:

> 15 June - Ventura CA/City Hall
>
June 30 Montreal, Casa del Popolo


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Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2001 22:06:43 -0500
From: Matt Laferty <[e-mail]>
Subject: Company

Hi all.

I was looking online for my planned weekend trip to NYC on April 19-21,
and look what I found.  This has probably already been discussed here,
but a Company week(end) with Zorn, Baron, and Xiao-Fen is perfect for
me.

Question is:  Do you go both nights for all 4 sets or find something
else?


COMPANY at TONIC, NYC in April
     Tonic Club, 107 Norfolk St., New York City, U.S.A
     Thursday April 12: 8pm Derek Bailey solo 10pm Thurston Moore /Loren
M. Connors duo.
     Saturday April 14: Susi Ibarra/DB 8 & 10pm
     Tuesday April 17: 8pm Will Gaines/DB 10pm IST (
Fell/Davies/Wastell)
     Thurs/Fri/Sat April 19,20,21: Company
     The people in the Company event are: Derek Bailey, guitar; Joey
Baron, drums/percussion; Rhodri Davies, harp; Simon
     Fell, bass; Min Xiao-Fen, pippa; Will Gaines, tap dance; Annie
Gosfield, sampling etc; Mark Wastell, cello; John Zorn,
     sax. Everybody plays every night in groups and combinations decided
immediately before the concerts. Probably two
     concerts a night; 8 and 10pm.


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Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2001 22:29:48 -0500
From: Perfect Sound Forever <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: wanna buy a bridge

At 01:04 PM 3/15/2001 -0700, you wrote:
>
>Did this Rough Trade compilation ever appear on CD?  Looking at that Rough
>Trade box set made me think of this.  Back when RT had a US mail order
>business I used to get their catalogs filled with all this mysterious
>stuff, especially for somebody from a small town in Alabama.  The
>compilation looked like a good way to find out who these people were which
>it not only did but remained a favorite for years even after I'd heard
>entire albums by most of the musicians.

Not to my knowledge. Razor and Tie put out a similar-minded comp called
Totally Wired.  Never heard anything about a World Domination release.

A shame since it is a great, unique comp. I asked the RT people about this
and their response was basically that it was going to be too much trouble
to get the clearances for everything (though since they themselves put out
the original singles, I'm guessing that they meant clearing it with all the
artists, etc).

Best,
Jason

Perfect Sound Forever
online music magazine
[e-mail]
http://www.furious.com/perfect


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Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2001 23:33:08 EST
From: [e-mail]
Subject: opprobrium

my favorite zine ever, Opprobrium (priginally based in New Zealand, and now
in the UK) is back in operation after a few years of silence. they're
web-only now, at:

www.info.net.nz/opprobrium

not only is there a new issue, including interviews with Ralf Wehowsky and
Derek bailey, but it looks as if all of the print issues are fully archived
there also. Nick Cain, the editor, writes most of it, and wow, is he
opinionated. what's refreshing, though, even when he completely slams
something (including an Erstwhile or two), he does it from a position of
knowledge, as opposed to most critics.

anyway, I'm only starting to make my way through the new issue now. he
expects to post a new issue every three months, but I wouldn't hold my
breath. it's an amazing resource; well worth your time.

Jon
www.erstwhilerecords.com

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Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2001 20:48:42 -0800 (PST)
From: Grey ElkGel <[e-mail]>
Subject: Ordinary Fanfares #2

This Tuesday (3/20/01) from midnight to 2AM EST will
be the second broadcast of Ordinary Fanfares on WMFO
Medford, MA. Tune in to 91.5FM in the Medford, MA area
or listen via the web at www.wmfo.org
This week's show will include music by Mauricio Kagel,
Bill Dixon, and Kevin Drumm among others.
Ordinary Fanfares will be occurring bi-weekly for the
next few months, so please check it out.
- -Greg



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Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 00:37:25 -0500
From: "Nirav Soni" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: opprobrium

> not only is there a new issue, including interviews with Ralf Wehowsky and
> Derek bailey, but it looks as if all of the print issues are fully
archived
> there also. Nick Cain, the editor, writes most of it, and wow, is he
> opinionated. what's refreshing, though, even when he completely slams
> something (including an Erstwhile or two), he does it from a position of
> knowledge, as opposed to most critics.

The interview with Bailey is great. Here's a tidbit:

I've noticed your playing getting steadily louder over the last few years.

That's because I've gotten steadily deafer. When I played with Han [Bennink]
in Edinburgh somebody said, "It was great but you were too loud." I said,
"Really? Thank you very much." I can't tell you how much pleasure that gave
me.

Nirav,
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"Undocumented recollections are rarely disappointing." -Derek Bailey


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Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 02:57:28 -0800 (PST)
From: Hywel Davies <[e-mail]>
Subject: ornette

happy birthday Ornette -70 today!

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Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 11:42:45 -0000
From: "Arthur Gadney" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: opprobrium

Hello.

>The interview with Bailey is great. Here's a tidbit:

When is it from?
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Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 10:57:54 -0500
From: "Steve Smith" <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: Dave Douglas questions

A couple of answers:

1. Dave's 'Witness' album has been recorded and was originally scheduled for
release in spring.  It may, however, be pushed back until fall.  As I
mentioned previously, the ensemble expanded from 9 pieces to 11 in the
studio, adding Joe Daley's tuba and Yuka Honda's sampler.

A disc of Dave's three scores for the Trisha Brown Dance Company MIGHT be
released in summer, in conjunction with an appearance at the Lincoln Center
Festival.  The would include the stuff by Charms of the Night Sky that was
held from 'A Thousand Evenings,' plus the second suite with Cohen, Greg
Tardy and Susie Ibarra and the third suite which combines the two bands.
The run at Lincoln Center starts July 18, so look out for something around
that time, if it actually happens.

Songlines is due to release the Dave, Misha, Han and Brad Jones disc this
spring as well.

2. I haven't heard the Mosaic set and can't comment, except to say that its
constituent members lead me to anticipate a decent listening experience.

3. The "New Quartet" you heard at Cooper Union is not the one that will be
recording Dave's fourth CD on RCA (which is counting Witness but not the
Trisha Brown set, which is being treated as a non-jazz release and thus not
part of his "jazz department" contract).  The "New Quintet" will be
recording that fourth album: Chris Potter, Uri Caine, James Genus and
Clarence Penn.  It's the band that played for a week at the Vanguard not too
long ago, and you can hear 4/5s of the band this Saturday at Wall-to-Wall
Miles Davis (Antonio Hart subbing for Potter).

Steve Smith
[e-mail]
(getting back up to speed after a long weekend in San Francisco...)


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Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 15:04:07 EST
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: ornette

[e-mail] writes:
> happy birthday Ornette -70 today!

hold on a second, according to the (generally unreliably) All Music Guide,
Ornette was born March 9, 1930.  According to David Wild
(http://home.att.net/~dawild/oc_biography.htm), Ornette was born March 19,
1930.  And a jazz calendar I have has his birthday at March 9, 1931!?
...well, whatever it is, it's the thought that counts, so: Happy 70 or 71st
(and maybe belated?) birthday Ornette!

jeff caltabiano
n.p. the music of eric von essen, vol. ii (2001, cryptogramophone)

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Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 14:15:43 -0600
From: Joseph Zitt <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: ornette

On Mon, Mar 19, 2001 at 03:04:07PM -0500, [e-mail] wrote:
> [e-mail] writes:
> > happy birthday Ornette -70 today!
>
> hold on a second, according to the (generally unreliably) All Music Guide,
> Ornette was born March 9, 1930.  According to David Wild
> (http://home.att.net/~dawild/oc_biography.htm), Ornette was born March 19,
> 1930.  And a jazz calendar I have has his birthday at March 9, 1931!?
> ...well, whatever it is, it's the thought that counts, so: Happy 70 or 71st
> (and maybe belated?) birthday Ornette!

Didn't he have a big 70th birthday event last year?

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Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 13:43:53 -0800 (PST)
From: Scott Handley <[e-mail]>
Subject: otomo interview

This is a few years old, hope it hasn't already been
posted; some interesting comments:

http://www.sfbg.com/Guides/Noise99/qa.html

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Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 14:36:22 -0800
From: "Martin Wisckol" <[e-mail]>
Subject: the gift

Any thoughts reflections reviews or ruminations on The Gift? Why should I
buy it?


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Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 23:19:12 +0100
From: "Marcin Gokieli" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Odp: Dave Douglas questions

- ----- Original Message -----
From: Steve Smith <[e-mail]>
> 1. Dave's 'Witness' album has been recorded and was originally scheduled
for
> release in spring.  It may, however, be pushed back until fall.  As I

Did you (or anyone else  around) listen to that album? What is it like?



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Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 23:28:18 -0000
From: "thomas chatterton" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Trip to Hell

Anyone heard the new collaboration between Evan Parker and Jah Wobble
entitled 'Passage to Hades'?
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Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 21:00:01 EST
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Joey Ramone

This article appeared in the New York Daily News:
Ramone's Battle for Health

One of New York's original punk rockers is fighting for his life. Joey
Ramone, 49, lead singer of the Ramones, a band out of Forest Hills that
spearheaded the downtown punk scene in 1974, is in a New York-area
hospital
battling lymphoma.

The group, which Joey formed with Marky, Dee Dee and Johnny =C3=A2=E2=82=AC=
=E2=80=9D all of
whom
adopted the same last name as the band =C3=A2=E2=82=AC=E2=80=9D broke up onl=
y five years ago.
But
the mark they left on the genre, due in large measure to their early
albums =C3=A2=E2=82=AC=E2=80=9D
which featured such tracks as "I Wanna Be Sedated," "Teenage Lobotomy"
and
"Cretin Hop" =C3=A2=E2=82=AC=E2=80=9D are forever part of New York musical h=
istory.

Ramones spokesman Arturo Vega told me that the patient has had a good
week.

"Joey watched a tape of 'The Sopranos' on Wednesday," said Vega. "He's
doing
better and better."

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Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 13:29:56 +1100
From: "Julian" <[e-mail]>
Subject: wanting to find wynton's views on jazz...

Hi, a while ago someone here pointed out some articles/interviews which
contain Wynton's ideas of what jazz is (i.e. jazz must include swing/blues,
freejazz guys are throwing away their roots, etc...) At the time I was very
hasty to get rid of any link to them as quickly as possible, but now I'm
kind of curious to read them again, does anyone know where I can find them?

thanks,
Julian.



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Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 18:45:31 -0800
From: "s~Z" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: wanting to find wynton's views on jazz...

Subject: wanting to find wynton's views on jazz...


They are right next to his head,
somewhere up his ass.


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Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 14:01:37 +1100
From: "Julian" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: wanting to find wynton's views on jazz...

> They are right next to his head,
> somewhere up his ass.

Thanks, I'll try there...


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Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 22:21:22 -0500
From: "Steve Smith" <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: Dave Douglas questions

It's not out yet.  The music is spectacular, blending several of the
different strands of Dave's various bands quite organically, with a fairly
potent political agenda that nonetheless does not overpower the music.  But
I'm sure the disc will be quite different than the gig I saw.  For starters,
the tunes had to be truncated to get them all on a single disc.

Steve Smith
[e-mail]
NP - Michael Blake, "Duty Free Suite," 'Drift' (Intuition)

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From: [e-mail]
[mailto:[e-mail]]On Behalf Of Marcin Gokieli
Sent: Monday, March 19, 2001 5:19 PM
To: [e-mail]; 'Peter Gannushkin';
[e-mail]
Subject: Odp: Dave Douglas questions


- ----- Original Message -----
From: Steve Smith <[e-mail]>
> 1. Dave's 'Witness' album has been recorded and was originally scheduled
for
> release in spring.  It may, however, be pushed back until fall.  As I

Did you (or anyone else  around) listen to that album? What is it like?



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Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 14:01:37 +1100
From: "Julian" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: wanting to find wynton's views on jazz...

> They are right next to his head,
> somewhere up his ass.

Thanks, I'll try there...


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Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 04:46:15 -0000
From: "thomas chatterton" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: wanting to find wynton's views on jazz...

>From: "s~Z" <[e-mail]>

>Subject: wanting to find wynton's views on jazz...
>
>
>They are right next to his head,
>somewhere up his ass.
>
>No, you're wrong! They are up Stanley Crouch's ass...






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Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 23:48:30 EST
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: Joey Ramone

Very sad news..I once hung with Joey one afternoon in Freeport, NY. At a bar
called the Right Track Inn.  The Ramones were doing a gig later, I was there
doing an interview for a local music paper called the Island Ear.   Joey told
me that none of the band were doing drugs.   Marky, the drummer at the time,
asked me if I had any ludes...I have pictures of him passed out on the couch
in the dressing room before the show...I guess he found some ludes.....hey
ho, lets go

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Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 23:49:31 EST
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: wanting to find wynton's views on jazz...

In a message dated 3/19/01 10:04:34 PM Eastern Standard Time,
[e-mail] writes:

<<  They are right next to his head,
 > somewhere up his ass.

 Thanks, I'll try there...
  >>Nope, was'nt there either.

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Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 00:47:43 -0500
From: "Ryan W. Blum" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: wanting to find wynton's views on jazz...

I read an interview with him in the January Time Out (London) which I no
longer have where, to his credit, he appeared less like a nazi and more like
just a whiner. He made a comment to the effect of: I have no problem with
those cats doing their thing down there in the village, but jazz has not
always been just about innovation--there's a strong aspect of traditionalism
to it, and it's a shame if people are too strongly for/opposed to one or the
other. (His thought, not mine.)

Maybe he's just reactionary and tracks-covering, but at least he's not
defacing Miles anymore. The REAL issue stands to be that to many people (and
most of the people with the $$ to support the music), he IS jazz right now.

Wish I could find the article.

Ryan

> They are right next to his head,
> somewhere up his ass.


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