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Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 13:04:46 -0500
From: wlt4@mindspring.com
Subject: Re: Re: borbetomagus
>well, for someone who doesn't have any of their albums (i don't know >why, but i don't) what would people recommend? i have heard good
My favorite is "Zurich" but I don't think that ever came out on CD. "Seven Reasons for Tears" runs a close second, partly because it's the line-up with a bassist that I saw perform in a tiny dance studio in Birmingham (AL, not ENG) where the hard-wood floors amplified the entire performance and overloaded the recording being made (the levels were fine during the sound check). Any of the collaborations with Voice Crack raise a lovely clatter. To be honest, most of the non-collaborative albums sound more or less similar but it's the details that matter, innit?
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Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 14:37:51 +0000
From: Philippe Dupuis <dupuisph@nb.sympatico.ca>
Subject: religion
hello,
i'm no expert on this stuff, and i have to admit that i'm still
catching up on this thread because i haven't had the time to
read all of it in the zornlists, but here are a few observations
on my behalf on this latest one.
i'm just starting out with all this religion thinking, so my
observations might be naive but here goes ...
- -My favorite statement on the topic by Steven Weinberg:
- -"Remembrance of the Holocaust leaves me unsympathetic to
- -attempts to justify the ways of God to man. If there is a God
- -that has special plans for humans, then He has taken very
- -great pains to hide His concern for us. To me it would seem
- -impolite if not impious to bother such a God with our prayers."
my main interests in religion are in buddhism and christianity.
and lately there has been something i found in christianity that
i liked, the idea of god (not the bearded man in the clouds, but
the ground of being, or the absolute) being a humble god, one
that is concerned with it's creation.
in buddism it seems that there is an absolute. it is self reliant.
the goal is to realize yourself as a unity with the absolute. to
reach your "buddhahood". so you have to go from the bottom
up. "all life is suffering" ... we are wretched, weak, desperate.
this is the opening monologue of the whole buddhist system.
so for selfish reasons (to rid ourselves from our suffering) we
want to climb higher and reach our "oneness" with the absolute.
nirvana, enlightenment. in our weakness we somehow have the
ability to reach the higher plateau. a bit pretentious and strange
to mention that we are nothing but yet that we have the power
to reach the absolute on our own.
once we reach it, it is bliss. we rid ourselves of desire and fear.
what we want and what we don't want. not to say that if a monk
sees something wrong he won't try and change it, it's not as
passive as people think. it's not that they don't care about
what happens to other people, in fact the dalai lama is here
to guide all sentient beings till they are all enlightened, only
AFTER this happens that he will be allowed his own entry
into the bliss. it is an impossible job, but the compassion
is there.
they say that it is harder to come back from the nirvana and
bliss to the real world where you have to live as a body than
it is to reach that state.
because of this there is ALOT of gravity in their literature
about this. that you have to come back.
so it seems that the absolute is "up there" and does not really
concern itself with the "if it's creation is doing well".
in christianity, god humbles himself down to us. he becomes
human and gets down to OUR level to come and contact us with
his message
"you are saved"
"i love you all"
he seems to be concerned with his creation and how they are
doing. the main idea is that our freedom is key. we are able to
have the choice to do good or do bad.
so, getting back to the quote above, is it really god's fault that
bad things happen?
in giving us our freedom some of man has chosen the evil ... so
wouldn't it be man's fault for the bad in the world?
or going back further, with adam & eve, man's own fault that
we are in this situation in the first place?
the rookie,
martin dupuis
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Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 12:35:37 -0500 (EST)
From: Ken Waxman <mingusaum@yahoo.ca>
Subject: Re: BGuy
Also, if you haven't already, check out his trio work
with Evan Parker, Mats Gustaffson and Marilyn Crispell
and the sextet Elsie Jo on his own label, Maya
Ken Waxman
- --- Brian Olewnick <olewnick@gis.net> wrote:
> Ryan W. Blum wrote:
> >
> > Curious what recordings I should get to be
> introduced to Barry Guy... A
> > cursory search on Amazon doesn't bring up much,
> and the impression I get is
> > that he's a prolific monster.
>
> Most anything, but I love the LJCO stuff the best.
> 'Harmos', 'Theoria',
> Double Trouble Two', all just superb, imho. The new
> tentet release,
> "Inscape-Tableaux" is in my early running for record
