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From: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com (Zorn List Digest)
To: zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com
Subject: Zorn List Digest V3 #316
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Zorn List Digest Monday, March 5 2001 Volume 03 : Number 316
In this issue:
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Carla Bley's 4X$4 (was Odp: Attention Evan Parkerites)
Barthelme
Sale list
Re: piano list/davidson
gospel
Re: the piano list
Fahey
Cardiacs
Re: the piano list
top 10
visionfest feelings
teaching zorn einstein et al
bartok Q + shostakovich & pollini etc
zornlist/gospel/ highway qc's & staples
Re: zornlist/gospel/ highway qc's & staples
rituals
Re: Carla Bley's 4X$4 (was Odp: Attention Evan Parkerites)
Re: Cardiacs
RE: zornlist/gospel/ highway qc's & staples
Re: one more question about sprawl, ice, 16-17, god, etc
ice, 16-17, god, etc
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Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2001 12:13:03 +0100
From: "Marcin Gokieli" <marcingokieli@go2.pl>
Subject: Carla Bley's 4X$4 (was Odp: Attention Evan Parkerites)
As Paul Bley and new ECM discs emerged in discussion, has anyone heard the
4X4 by Carla Bley?
Marcin Gokieli
marcin.gokieli@mospan.pl marcingokieli@go2.pl
> NP: Paul Bley - Hands on (I really like his suggestive way of playing on
> this record; amazing how little notes he needs to tell a whole story).
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Date: Sun, 04 Mar 2001 07:12:10 -0500
From: David Keffer <keffer@planetc.com>
Subject: Barthelme
>Date: Sat, 03 Mar 2001 06:40:34
>From: "William York" <william_york@hotmail.com>
>Subject: barthelme/gospel music (not related)
>
>What is the name of this [Barthleme] book again? The first time I saw that
post about
>Otomo's quote I meant to go and try to find it but it I forgot, and it's now
>lost in digest-archive-land (yes, I could go look for it but...).
Barthelme's "The New Music" was originally published in "Great Days" (FSG,
1979)
That is long oop.
Also collected in "60 Stories" (Penguin), still widely in print.
There's also a story in there called "The King of Jazz", which is a much
better
story and also very funny.
David K.
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Date: Sun, 04 Mar 2001 15:47:57 +0000
From: Scott <scott@burntweeny.freeserve.co.uk>
Subject: Sale list
I have the following discs for sale. I'm looking for sales mostly, I will
accept trades but I am picky in my old age so don't be disappointed if you
haven't go what I want.
Scott
=A35 each
Aphasia: Stereoisomerism. Staalplat
Paul Schutze: The Annihilating Angel. Tone Casualties
Paul Schutze: regard, music by film. Tone Casualties
Eugene Chadbourne: Country Music of South Eastern Australia. ESR
Vinny Golia Large Ensemble: Decennium dans Axlan. 9 winds.
Richard Teitelbaum: Golem. Tzadik
Mass: From Zero. Paratactile.
People Like Us: Beware the Whim Reaper. Staalplat
Royal Trux: Singles, Live and unreleased. Domnio. 2cd
Barbed: Barbed. These
Cutler/Frith: Live. ReR
Eyvind Kang: Theatre of Mineral Nades. Tzadik
David Toop: Spirit World. Virgin
Morphogenesis: Stromatolites,. Vintage Electronics.
Rhys Chatham: Hard Edge. The Wire.
UiLab: Fires. Duophonic.
Adam Bohman: Music and Words. Paradigm.
The Ex & Tom Cora: Scrabbling at the lock. Rec.
Joe Farrell Quartet. CRI
Flying SaucerAttack. Corpus Hermeticum.
FSA and Roy Montgomery. VHF
Mahar Halal Hash Baz: Souvenir De Mauve. Majikik
Organum: Bird=B9s wings were glued to their bodies and their feet froze to th=
e
ground.=20
Muslimgauze: Citadel. Extreme.
Otomo Yoshihide: Sound Factory 1997. Gentle Giant
Otomo Yoshihide: Vinyl Tranquiliser. Gentle Giant
Blind Idiot God: Undertow. Enemy.
Strafe FR: Lufthunger. Touch.
3 for =A310
Sonic Youth: Experimental JetSet, Trash and No Star. Geffen
Sonic Youth: Dirty. Geffen
Simon FisherTurner: Blue OST. Mute
Thomas Demenga play Holligerand BAch. ECM
David Soldier: The Kropotkins. Koch
Jon Hassell and Bluescreen. Dressing for Pleasure. Warner.
Universal Congress of... 11th Hour Shine On. Enemy.
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Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2001 13:19:44 -0500 (EST)
From: Ken Waxman <mingusaum@yahoo.ca>
Subject: Re: piano list/davidson
Brian, et. al:
Yes, Davidson died quite a few years ago,
Apparently he suffered from a sort of mental illness
at the end of his life.
The ESP disk is very impressive. IMHO it sounds like a
link between Herbie Nichols and Cecil Taylor.
Other Davidson material exists, but none has been
released commercially. After the ESP session he moved
(back?) to Boston and played around there as both a
pianist and a percussionist (!).
Someone in Boston apparently has many tapes of
Davidson playing piano in different contexts, but
refuses to release them. I'm told he's waiting for a
large $$ offer. (Delusions ran rampant).
Joe Morris also has a tape of a concert he did with
Davidson on percussion, Butch Morris on cornet,
himself and I forget the fourth participant.
He's been trying to get it released on CD for at least
a decade.
Ken Waxman
- --- Brian Olewnick <olewnick@gis.net> wrote:
> DvdBelkin@aol.com wrote:
>
> > Lowell Davidson sounds interesting, thanks. AMG
> lists just a trio recording
> > on ESP from 1965. Is he still around?
>
> Someone correct me on this if need be, but I think
> he died at an early
> age. I've also heard very good things about that
> recording (though I
> have yet to actually hear it) and, fwiw, Cecil
> Taylor has mentioned him
> in interviews as a pianist he enjoyed in the 60's.
>
> Brian Olewnick (resisting the top 10 urge...so far)
>
> -
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Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2001 15:03:24 EST
From: Brennansf@aol.com
Subject: gospel
Theres some great stuff on the SECOND box Columbia released. Haven't heard
the first though.
jb
> I'm sure there's some great Mahalia Jackson also, but I've only heard the
> later years compilation on Columbia, which I wasn't blown away by. any
> recommendations for killer early Mahalia?
>
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Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2001 18:43:30 +0100
From: Tim Blechmann <TimBlechmann@gmx.de>
Subject: Re: the piano list
talking about pianists... does anyone know a good recording of the
austrian pianist Wolfgang Mitterer?
PEACE
Tim mailto:TimBlechmann@gmx.de
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Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2001 12:57:31 -0800
From: "s~Z" <keith@pfmentum.com>
Subject: Fahey
http://www.nytimes.com/2001/03/04/arts/04VIER.html
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Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2001 17:58:11 EST
From: ObviousEye@aol.com
Subject: Cardiacs
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i have heard one Cardiacs song: Red Fire Coming Out From His Gills.
what is the story on this band? i love the instrumentation and weirdness.
where can i locate the records?
here's my, uh, current top ten:
Elvis Costello- Imperial Bedroom
Beach Boys - Pet Sounds
Beatles- Revolver
Pere Ubu - Dub Housing / Modern Dance
Love - Forever Changes
Sonic Youth - Daydream Nation / Sister
Arto Lindsay - Mundo Civilizado
Genesis - Foxtrot
King Crimson - Red
Beck - Midnight Vultures
Henry Cow - Unrest
David Bowie - Low
Eno - Another Green World
Balboa - Live Like This / 13
thats more than ten...oops.
ben o neb
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<HTML><FONT FACE=arial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=2>i have heard one Cardiacs song: Red Fire Coming Out From His Gills.
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<BR>what is the story on this band? i love the instrumentation and weirdness.
<BR>where can i locate the records?
<BR>
<BR>here's my, uh, current top ten:
<BR>
<BR>Elvis Costello- Imperial Bedroom
<BR>Beach Boys - Pet Sounds
<BR>Beatles- Revolver
<BR>Pere Ubu - Dub Housing / Modern Dance
<BR>Love - Forever Changes
<BR>Sonic Youth - Daydream Nation / Sister
<BR>Arto Lindsay - Mundo Civilizado
<BR>Genesis - Foxtrot
<BR>King Crimson - Red
<BR>Beck - Midnight Vultures
<BR>Henry Cow - Unrest
<BR>David Bowie - Low
<BR>Eno - Another Green World
<BR>Balboa - Live Like This / 13
<BR>
<BR>thats more than ten...oops.
<BR>
<BR>ben o neb
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Date: Sun, 04 Mar 2001 19:02:24 -0500
From: Matt Teichman <mft4@cornell.edu>
Subject: Re: the piano list
Well, this is probably obvious stuff for zornlovers, but I would consider
Cooper-Moore an essential pianist. I've never heard anyone bang the heck
out of the piano in quite the same way he does. I also think he's one of
the best improvisers out there in general. Too many ideas flowing through
his head; not enough time to play them, so he plays them all at once!
- -
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Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2001 20:59:33 -0500 (EST)
From: Kim Sturdavant <somtom@email.com>
Subject: top 10
yah yah... giving in... but since I like reading them I figure writing them
will be fun. no order here btw
1. mouse on mars "iora tahiti" or "niun nuggin"
2. revolutionary ensemble "peoples republic"
3. john zorn "godard spillane"
4. hoahio "ohayo hoahio"
5. the fall "hex enduction hour" or "grotesque" or... ^_^
6. de la soul "buloon mind state"
7. velvet underground "and nico" or "white light.."
8. red krayola "come and sail with the..."
9. modest mouse "lonesome crowded west"
10. dj krush "code 4109" or "kakusei" or...
and lots of noise by various folks "kiyoshi mizutani, rhy yau, crawl unit,
james tenney, terry riley, death ambient, jean luc guionnet..."
i'm a college radio dj... you can tell.
^kim^
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Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2001 22:19:19 EST
From: Acousticlv@aol.com
Subject: visionfest feelings
In a message dated 3/4/01 2:44:14 AM, steve smith wrote:
<<especially if they somehow make use of the Alterknit and Old Office
spaces. But I still think it's going to be overcrowded and uncomfortable.>>
my fear, as with all these festivals, is the fragmentation of room to room.
in theory, more rooms will allow for more performers, but i hate that;
would rather know i was able to see/hear all than shuffle room to room
like in jr high. i don't want to miss a thing and crave the 7pm-1am
incessant numb/silly/happy overload i've experienced in the previous few
fests.
also, the previous spaces afford much room for schmoozing and talking with
musicians between sets. will there be various types of badges to wear,
identifying all day, all fest, etc? oy.
steve koenig
n.p.: ruts d.c. meets mad professor: rhythm collision v1 (echo beach 3333,
germany)
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Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2001 22:26:51 EST
From: Acousticlv@aol.com
Subject: teaching zorn einstein et al
In a message dated 3/4/01 2:44:14 AM, you wrote:
<<one 50 minute class (so 15 minutes on Zorn) >>
it's a frustrating limitations. i love teaching by parody,
so if at all possible, sneak in pdq bach's "introduction to
'einstein on the fritz'" (op. S. e-mt2) [6:37]
from telarc 80210 "1712 overture and other musical assaults"
steve koenig
n.p.: linton kwesi johnson- bootleg of poetry reading
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Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2001 22:39:52 EST
From: Acousticlv@aol.com
Subject: bartok Q + shostakovich & pollini etc
In a message dated 3/3/01 12:36:09 AM, you wrote:
<<Shostakovich: STRING QUARTETS (don't know, who
does it better than Emerson? I liked theirs better
than the one I own by the Brodskeys)>>
<<As for the Shostakovich Quartets, I hear better things about the Borodin
Quartet.... And in the Debussy Preludes, Pollini..but I think
I'd give an edge to Paul Jacobs, who is a bit less
clinical and more poetic. (No one can touch Pollini's Schoenberg,<<
hi friends
my fave is yes indeed the EMI borodins tho you'll need to get
the fiunal quartets by someone else. paul jacobs (r.i.p) rules
everything, tho for etudes i really enjoy mitsuko uchida.
pollini is superb schoenberg, but i much prefer my mono columbia Lp
of edward feuerman's choenberg piano... fluid.
also, on columbia mono lp, the juilliards first recodings
of the schoenberg's str qts, but better than later stereo versions.
all "should" be reissued in masterworks heritage series,
but won't hold my breath. ditto elliot carter string qt,
by walden sq of the univ of illinois
(there only _was_ one when they made this in 1956).
hell, even i wasnt made until the followeing year.
- --steve koenig--
n.p.: in my head, a replay of friday's amazing boulez/viena po/carnegie
bartok 4 pcs for orch (+ webern 6 pcs orch, strav sym 3 mvt, debussy jeux).
i was shocked to see i had no recordings of this bartok, wispy and weberny
and gorgeous. anyone have recommendations?
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Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2001 22:58:42 EST
From: Acousticlv@aol.com
Subject: zornlist/gospel/ highway qc's & staples
In a message dated 3/3/01 4:11:05 PM, you wrote:
<<gospel>>
im dumbfounded by both the highways qcs, featuring sam cooke,
and the staple's acoustic early gospel,
which i have on Trip Lp reissues, originally on veejay.
avoid little richard's spirituals disc on duke peacock;
only one good track.
btw, as im a devout atheist, hate religion,
this shits gotsta be good for me not to spit.
my intro to gospel, of course, given my age,
was edwin hawkins singers "oh happy day" 7min 7"
on buddah, which was originally on pavillion,
and still rocks me rafters, as does that whole original lp.
if you like early early music, try motets and masses
by john sheppard.
steve koenig n.p.: "All Men are Made By God" Highway QCs
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Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2001 20:17:54 -0800
From: "s~Z" <keith@pfmentum.com>
Subject: Re: zornlist/gospel/ highway qc's & staples
Does this count as gospel? It's a stunning document.
http://www.allaboutjazz.com/REVIEWS/r0175_024.htm
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Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2001 20:21:15 -0800 (PST)
From: Tom Gatzen <aargh881@yahoo.com>
Subject: rituals
is rituals live in japan a collecotrs item now?
Tom
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Date: Sun, 04 Mar 2001 20:44:59 -0800
From: Skip Heller <velaires@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: Carla Bley's 4X$4 (was Odp: Attention Evan Parkerites)
skip heller
> As Paul Bley and new ECM discs emerged in discussion, has anyone heard the
> 4X4 by Carla Bley?
> Marcin Gokieli
> marcin.gokieli@mospan.pl marcingokieli@go2.pl
>> NP: Paul Bley - Hands on (I really like his suggestive way of playing on
>> this record; amazing how little notes he needs to tell a whole story).
>
>
>
> -
>
>
Yeah --it's really fantastic.
skip h
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Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2001 00:41:40 EST
From: Dgasque@aol.com
Subject: Re: Cardiacs
In a message dated 3/4/01 6:22:51 PM Eastern Standard Time,
ObviousEye@aol.com writes:
<<
i have heard one Cardiacs song: Red Fire Coming Out From His Gills.
what is the story on this band? i love the instrumentation and weirdness.
where can i locate the records? >>
It's off of _Sing To God_ , my favorite by the band. Even though Amazon
lists some of their CDs, I'd be suprised if they could get them. If you plan
to buy via credit card, go to their site @
http://www.cardiacs.com/
or to one of the England-based retailers on the net ala CDZone @
http://www.cdzone.co.uk/
- --
=dg=
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Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2001 01:28:30 -0500
From: "Steve Smith" <ssmith36@sprynet.com>
Subject: RE: zornlist/gospel/ highway qc's & staples
But a really bad review. Are you advising us to ignore what the writer says
and just check out the album? I'd be down with that, of course... ;-)
BTW 'American Primitives, Vol. 1,' the Revenant collection of pre-war gospel
recordings is a treasure. And while it ain't gospel, I can't get the sounds
of the Lomax Sacred Harp recordings I mentioned in my "NP" of Friday night
out of my head. It's like spooky white minimalist gospel. Real fine
singing there, as Lomax would say...
Steve Smith
ssmith36@sprynet.com
NP - Wu-Tang Clan, "Wu-Revolution," 'Wu-Tang Forever' (Loud)
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From: owner-zorn-list@lists.xmission.com
[mailto:owner-zorn-list@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of s~Z
Sent: Sunday, March 04, 2001 11:18 PM
To: zorn-list@lists.xmission.com
Subject: Re: zornlist/gospel/ highway qc's & staples
Does this count as gospel? It's a stunning document.
http://www.allaboutjazz.com/REVIEWS/r0175_024.htm
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Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2001 08:46:24 -0000
From: "Richard Gardner" <print@colourtone.co.uk>
Subject: Re: one more question about sprawl, ice, 16-17, god, etc
From: "Daryl Loomis" <DRL@valley-media.com>
> Subject: Re: one more question about sprawl, ice, 16-17, god, etc.
>
> In my opinion, all three of the God albums are incredible, but they are =
> impossible to find. I heard them five years ago, but as soon as I went to
=
> buy them, Big Cat had gone out of business, and I've been searching ever =
> since. I'd like to know too. I've never found them used, I haven't met =
> anyone that has them. I have "Appeal to Human Greed," which are remixes =
> of "Anatomy of Addiction" by Laswell, JK Broadrick, Kevin Shields and a =
> couple others that I can't remember now. It's good, but it doesn't do the
=
> original line-up any justice whatsoever. Anyway, that's as much as I =
> know, and I wish almost every day that I had the albums.
>
> Daryl Loomis
>
Infact I have four God albums including the remixes. There was also a very
obscure album with approximately the same lineup (without Zorn) recorded
live in the crypt of a church in London and released on a German label. The
original studio album was called Possession. (I don't have the details here
now because I'm at work)
I completely agree that God was a wonderful experience. In 1992 in the early
hours of the morning on British TV I recall catching part of a live video
which just had to be seen to be believed (huge percussion army behind wild
free soloing).
Kevin Martin was the main man behind the project. Last year I spoke to
Trevor Mainwaring who was a collaborator with Kevin on the excellent Virgin
compilations (Isolationism, Jazz Satellites etc). He said that Kevin was
badly burned in record industry changes. Although Jazz Satellites Volume 2
was compiled and ready, the carpet was drawn from under his feet. I guess
Simon Hopkins would know much more about that. I believe Kevin is now living
in New York and working as a graphic designer.
Richard Gardner
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Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2001 03:55:51 -0800 (PST)
From: simon hopkins <simonphopkins@yahoo.com>
Subject: ice, 16-17, god, etc
> Infact I have four God albums including the remixes.
> There was also a very
> obscure album with approximately the same lineup
> (without Zorn) recorded
> live in the crypt of a church in London and released
> on a German label.
That would be 'Loco' released on the label PDC, or
Permir De Construir, I think. Sorry about the bad
French. Which the label was, I think. French that is.
Not 'bad'.
> believe Kevin is now living
> in New York and working as a graphic designer.
Nah - he's in London still, and while he DOES do
design work - largely for his own releases - he's
still primarily a musical force. The group he leads
with Justin Broadrick - Techno Animal - will have a
new album out on Matador later this year.
I've got a few copies of Ice's 'Under the Skin'
kicking about if anyone wahnts to drop me a line in
private. And some of Virgin's AMBT tiles, too.
As for what happened to those compilations, I'm sorry
if I've goine over the story before, but basically, I
left a load of projects to be completed after I left
Virgin UK three years ago and they dropped the ball on
every single one of them: Jazz Satellites II, a 3 CD
Derek Bailey history, a 2CD Jon Hassell CD, Edwin
Pouncey's Motor City Burning compilation, Biba Kopf's
the autobahn Goes on Forever compilation and new work
by, among others, 16-17 and O Yuki Conjugate. Guess
there was no-one left there willing to fight to get
the things made and released. And as I've said before:
it WAS a fight.
Simon
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