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bands like estradasphere, carnival in coal, and a bunch of the =
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'extreme' metal bands who have listened to Bungle/Patton are more =
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heirs to this 'tradition.'</FONT><BR></FONT></DIV>
<DIV>I emphatically agree. Perhaps we could also add Nuclear Rabbit. =
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they have been if the first Bungle album had never been=20
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Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2001 03:37:22 -0800 (PST)
From: Theo Klaase <river_of_dogs@yahoo.com>
Subject: Mike Patton - Prazo Oltranzista
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I like "Pranzo Oltranzista" a bit more than "Adult Themes." Zorn's sax solo on track 6 is one of the highlights among a few others that make obtaining this album essential... Patton also performed a wonderful song on Jerry Hunt's Tzadik release that is amazing! Everyone else on the list seems to have recommended all the other good stuff: Bungle, Fantomas, etc. This is just another voice chiming in...
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Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2001 06:27:57 -0800
From: "Fag music" <pattonsucks@37.com>
Subject: Patton: Under the influence
I dunno,
dude....people tend to say that a lot,but we'll never know,that,if FNM never existed,these bands wouldn't...y'know,there was the RHCP,Ludchrist,Bad Brains,Scatterbrain...why FNM is the only one to be mentioned?The only thing I'm sure is that Papa Roach loves FNM...what about the other bands?Although Chino Moreno (Deftones) and John Davis (Korn) said that ONE of their major influences was ''Angel Dust'',and the guys from Slipknot LOVE Patton...I'm still not sure wether FNM was the only one that influenced them...or if he was the major influence behind all nu-metal stuff.
Influences,
Mindless self indulgence
P.S.:By the way...there'll be not just one,but TWO FNM tributes coming up soon...difference is,one of them is made by Bands that are FNM fans,and FNM fans that have bands...which one would YOU buy?
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Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2001 01:36:11 +1100
From: "Julian" <jcurwin@hartingdale.com.au>
Subject: Re: Patton: Under the influence
I wasn't simply talking musical influence, but also record company
influence. If a band does well, we have to get all the copycats too, since
that's the flavour of the month (ie Korn, Slipknot, now there's this Linkin
Park band... will it ever end?). Sure, those other bands you mentioned have
had major influence on these bands, but I'd say it was Faith No More going
to number 1 that originally got the record companies interested in this
stuff...
<< dude....people tend to say that a lot,but we'll never know,that,if FNM
never existed,these bands wouldn't...y'know,there was the RHCP,Ludchrist,Bad
Brains,Scatterbrain...why FNM is the only one to be mentioned?The only thing
I'm sure is that Papa Roach loves FNM...what about the other bands?Although
Chino Moreno (Deftones) and John Davis (Korn) said that ONE of their major
influences was ''Angel Dust'',and the guys from Slipknot LOVE Patton...I'm
still not sure wether FNM was the only one that influenced them...or if he
was the major influence behind all nu-metal stuff. >>
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Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2001 06:37:46 -0800
From: "Fag music" <pattonsucks@37.com>
Subject: The Bunglefever FTP
Well,
to sum up,Patton's work is very ecletic,so,you might wanna listen to it before buying it....so,here's my two cents:
ftp.bunglefever.com
They have a huge amount of Patton related stuff,all you have to do is pick some...hope it helped.Also,nobody mentioned any of Patton's solo gigs yet,some of them were really good,like Moonraker(the first edition,with DJ Def and Agata from Melt Banana),some stuff he did with the X-ecutioners,a show he did with David Slusser,Willie Winant and John Zorn...and other stuff.Thought you'd would like to know this...
Gigs,
Cuckoo to pieces
>Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 17:08:49 -0500
>Subject: Re: Mike Patton
>From: Rick Lopez <bb10k@velocity.net>
>
>on 2/13/01 4:07 PM, Me at frunobulax@mpinet.net unthinkingly blurted:
>
>> I am a huge fan of Mike Patton's work
>
>Okay kids. Today's assignment:
>
>I've only heard FNM and a few Bungles. What's the list of essentials for
>someone wanting to buy his son a stack of Pattons? (so he can then borrow
I don't think that Zappa's catalog is beyond criticism, but it does deserve more than a glance; it doesn't deserve to be dismissed for its scatalogical content etc.
My problem with the critics: it's too much of a one-sided argument where other opinions are not input into the dialogue as possible answers to the question of "is this good/bad?"; but instead it's a means to strengthen one's own point of view. How often have you read criticism where it's acknowledged that other opinions exist on the matter, but these other opinions are glossed over or discounted as "piss-poor?"
For this reason, I think the discussion group is a better means of understanding the value of a body or piece of work. I think it has some faults in that it's a little one-sided also, but there's a more hermeneutic process where the dialectic is kept alive.
Also, readers should learn to use the critics to their advantage. Readers should learn to recognize those critics who agree with their own opinions, and patronize the publications of these people. And, learn to use the opinions of those that one doesn't agree with--if you know you like everything this critic hates, then use that information to your advantage.
Steve Spangler
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