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Zorn List Digest Sunday, February 11 2001 Volume 03 : Number 279
In this issue:
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Re: Request For Ambient Music Recommendations
Deportees [cf. Das Junges Brooklyners]
Re: Wire/Reynols/Tortoise
To Record Only Water For Ten Days (no zorn)
Re: Deportees [cf. Das Junges Brooklyners]
Re: Xenakis percussion record
Tortoise
Re: To Record Only Water For Ten Days (no zorn)
CRISTINA ROSENVIGE AT TONIC: DANGER!!
Re: Wire/Reynols/Tortoise
brotzmann
Re: Suggestions?
Re: Wire/Reynols
Re: To Record Only Water For Ten Days (no zorn)
Re: Tortoise
Re: Tortoise
Re: To Record Only Water For Ten Days (no zorn)
RE: Tortoise
Re: Deportees [cf. Das Junges Brooklyners]
Re: Request For Ambient Music Recommendations
cecil taylor
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Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2001 19:25:13 -0800 (PST)
From: Scott Handley <thesubtlebody@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Request For Ambient Music Recommendations
- --- Adam Rock <arock01@postoffice.csu.edu.au> wrote:
> Does anyone
> have any suggestions as to where I might go from
> here?
I just acquired the 2cd AMBIENT 4: ISOLATIONISM comp
on Sire; brilliant, non-generic dark ambient with some
of the best tracks by Main, Scorn, and Jim O'Rourke
that I've heard, plus Nijiumu, AMM + Rohan de Saram,
etc. I don't know if this is still in print, but I'd
be interested to find the other issues in this series.
I heard some Thomas Koener on mille Plateaux
(TEIMO/PERMAFROST) that you might find good for
extreme low heart-rate listening; you might enjoy
Bernhard Guenter for extreme ambient....I really like
his TIME, DREAMING ITSELF (Trente oiseaux), and UN
PEU DE NEIGE SALIE (Selektion/Table of the Elements),
which is notoriously quiet. I enjoy some of harold
Budd's work from the Sixties and early Seventies.
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Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2001 23:54:09 EST
From: DvdBelkin@aol.com
Subject: Deportees [cf. Das Junges Brooklyners]
Y'all might remember that about a month or so back I mentioned that Sylvie
Courvoisier and Mark Feldman should be included in the list of Brooklyn
jazzsters. Well, not for much longer. Some folks here might not have heard
that Sylvie is being, in essence, deported from the U.S. of friggin A. later
this week - a typically stupid bureaucratic response by the INS to the
Swiss-born Sylvie's deadly mistake of touring abroad last year before she
received the green card she was due to be issued after marrying Mark.
So she and Mark are moving to Lausanne - fortunately not forever; my
understanding is that Sylvie will be allowed back into the states in six
months. Back to Brooklyn? I dunno...
Setting aside visions of a howling mob of black-clad avant jazz lovers
marching behind screaming saxes to storm the Javits Federal Office Building
(hey, it's only two blocks from the Knit) - or will any volume of angry
letters of protest to our Senators do? - there's not much else to do now but
note that this coming Wednesday's (2/14) gig at Tonic (Sylvie and Mark with
Erik Friedlander) will be the last chance to hear this incredible talent
perform on American soil for a good long time.
They're leaving the Land of Liberty next day. The loss is definitely ours.
David
- -
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Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2001 14:35:07 -0800
From: "s~Z" <keith@pfmentum.com>
Subject: Re: Wire/Reynols/Tortoise
>>>astronomical? $5 and change per issue, and you get three or four
CDs thrown
in per year. plus, you may be interested to know that the Wire pays
their
writers, which isn't true for many publications.<<<
I don't have the subscription rates at hand but I'm pretty sure I can
subscribe to Coda, Cadence, and Signal to Noise for less than a sub to
The Wire. And I'd rather have a lower sub price than those "free" CD
samplers every month.
- -
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Date: Sun, 11 Feb 2001 01:05:46 -0500
From: "Me" <frunobulax@mpinet.net>
Subject: To Record Only Water For Ten Days (no zorn)
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I heard the new John Frusciante solo album tonight......i'm still in =
shock. Words cannot describe how this album made me feel. It's going =
to be released this coming tuesday, and i urge everyone to check it out.
JOHN FRUSCIANTE: TO RECORD ONLY WATER FOR TEN DAYS
dave
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Date: Sun, 11 Feb 2001 01:16:17 -0500 (EST)
From: Adam Taylor Tierney <attierne@indiana.edu>
Subject: Re: Deportees [cf. Das Junges Brooklyners]
But wait... Mark Feldman is slated to appear in Bloomington, IN February
27 as part of the John Abercrombie quartet. Should I assume, then, that
this is off? Bloody hell, who knows when I'll have the chance to see his
again. Despondently yours,
- --Adam Tierney
- -
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Date: Sun, 11 Feb 2001 06:17:30 -0500
From: Matt Teichman <mft4@cornell.edu>
Subject: Re: Xenakis percussion record
I just found out the name of this wonderful album. It is not
Pleiades/Heitak, but:
Psappha, Okho, Persephassa by the Demoe percussion ensemble,
on the Stradivarius label (Italian).
Happy Xenakissing all!
>Do you mean:
>
>------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>*** - PLEIADES/HETIAK: Iannis Xenakis, Akira Nishimura
>
> 1/ Pleiades (1978-79) (Iannis Xenakis)
> 2/ Ketiak (1979) (Akira Nishimura)
>
> 2000 - Nota (Italy), 213 (CD)
>
>------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Patrice.
>
>-
- -
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Date: Sun, 11 Feb 2001 08:00:27 EST
From: CuneiWay@aol.com
Subject: Tortoise
Jon wrote:
>when I saw Tortoise play the closing set at Victoriaville a
>few years ago, I thought it was one of the most amateurish displayes of
>mediocre fusion noodling I'd ever seen.
ahhh, so I wasn't the only one who didn't think that they were the cat's meow!
BTW - I like TNT a lot - but was quite dissapointed - although NOT as
dissapointed as Jon - in their set @ Victo.
Steve F.
- -
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Date: Sun, 11 Feb 2001 15:35:46 +0100 (CET)
From: =?iso-8859-1?q?efr=E9n=20del=20valle?= <efrendv@yahoo.es>
Subject: Re: To Record Only Water For Ten Days (no zorn)
Hi!
Are you sure that this is something to look forward?
The words I've heard about "To Record" are so negative
that I don't know what to think. I even heard that
there was some Depeche Mode-like stuff in the record,
which made really scared!!!
I'm a huge fan of Frusciante's two previous works,
specially "Smile From The Streets You Hold" but I'm
not that confident about his latest. Let's see next
Monday.
See you,
EfrΘn
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Date: Sun, 11 Feb 2001 15:46:01 +0100 (CET)
From: =?iso-8859-1?q?efr=E9n=20del=20valle?= <efrendv@yahoo.es>
Subject: CRISTINA ROSENVIGE AT TONIC: DANGER!!
Hi everyone!
To my surprise today I read in a Spanish newspaper
that Cristina Rosenvinge had performed at Tonic last
Sunday and that Mr. Steve Shelley is relasing her new
CD through Smells Like Records. Not only that, but the
"New York Times" dedicated a full page to her and
she's receiving positive reviews in the US. I'd like
to know what you think about her if there is any small
chances that you know her or saw her perform.
For additional info, Lee Ranaldo plays in her record
and produced her former work.
I can't believe this is happening! Save your money!
Greetings,
EfrΘn del Valle
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Date: Sun, 11 Feb 2001 00:46:19 EST
From: JonAbbey2@aol.com
Subject: Re: Wire/Reynols/Tortoise
In a message dated 2/11/01 12:15:39 AM, keith@pfmentum.com writes:
<< I don't have the subscription rates at hand but I'm pretty sure I can
subscribe to Coda, Cadence, and Signal to Noise for less than a sub to
The Wire. >>
yup, subscriptions for a year to those three total $74 as compared to the
Wire's $85.
however:
since Coda is bimonthly and StN is now quarterly, the comparison is only 22
magazines versus 16, not the implied 36.
none of those three magazines pay their writers at all. possibly there are
exceptions to this, but I doubt it. let me know if I'm wrong.
as for a quality comparison, I won't go there, although I like Signal To
Noise.
Jon
www.erstwhilerecords.com
- -
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Date: Sun, 11 Feb 2001 12:17:34 -0400
From: mwoodwor <mwoodwor@is2.dal.ca>
Subject: brotzmann
has anyone heard the new peter Brotzmann solo disc on FMP - I've heard that it
is alot more restrained then anything else he's done, just wondering if anyone
had any opinions...
wudz
- -
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Date: Sun, 11 Feb 2001 21:55:11 +0100
From: Rob Allaert <Rob@llaert.NU>
Subject: Re: Suggestions?
> Theo Klaase:
> I'm writing because I'm sure I can get some great
> suggestions from folks on this list. I'm currently
> out of ideas for CD's to buy.
I'm sure you'll like:
=B0 Avishai Cohen (Adama/Devotion/Colors)
=B0 Michel Portal (Dockings)
=B0 Pachora (Ast)
=B0 Kiss (Dynasty) --> just kidding ;-)
Greetings,
Rob@llaert.NU
np: Michel Godard (Sous les voutes, le serpent ...) MA Recordings (wow !)
"The goal is to bring the same intensity to listening as the performer to
playing."
- -
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Date: Sun, 11 Feb 2001 16:16:49 -0500
From: Nils <jacobson@frodo.mgh.harvard.edu>
Subject: Re: Wire/Reynols
JonAbbey2@aol.com wrote:
> I wrote:
> << their subscription remains astronomical.
> for u.s. readers 16 months cost $85. >>
>
> astronomical? $5 and change per issue, and you get three or four CDs thrown
> in per year. plus, you may be interested to know that the Wire pays their
> writers, which isn't true for many publications.
i am intimately familiar with that situation.
i had no doubt that the writers were getting
paid; that was not my point.
i pay them this generous amount because they
have a lot of good material. this month a
number of helpful reviews, and the tortoise
thing was colorful if not especially
informative. but i find painful this tendency
they have to go out of their way to prove the
massive extent of their knowledge and open-
mindedness. discussing unreleased recordings
as a reference point in a review? really.
that's not necessary.
> Blank Tapes is on Trente Oiseaux, Bernhard Gunter's label, and hardly obscure
> or underground, at least to this crowd.
i know, everyone on the zorn list has their
microscopes and shovels at the ready. give
bernhard gunter credit. that was not at all
my point.
cranky back at you.
n
- -
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Date: Sun, 11 Feb 2001 16:26:00 -0500
From: Matt Teichman <mft4@cornell.edu>
Subject: Re: To Record Only Water For Ten Days (no zorn)
The Chili Peppers guitarist??? I can't imagine what his solo stuff would
sound like. Is it instrumental? Vocal? Neither? :)
- -
------------------------------
Date: Sun, 11 Feb 2001 14:10:32 -0800
From: improv@peak.org (Dave Trenkel)
Subject: Re: Tortoise
>Jon wrote:
>
>>when I saw Tortoise play the closing set at Victoriaville a
>>few years ago, I thought it was one of the most amateurish displayes of
>>mediocre fusion noodling I'd ever seen.
>
>ahhh, so I wasn't the only one who didn't think that they were the cat's meow!
>
>BTW - I like TNT a lot - but was quite dissapointed - although NOT as
>dissapointed as Jon - in their set @ Victo.
>
>Steve F.
>
>-
I've not seen Tortoise live, but it doesn't surprise me that they're not
that great. TNT is, IMHO, a terrific record, great compositions and very
interesting production, but it's almost too tasteful for it's own good. A
friend of mine called it "Fusion without the solos", which makes it
preferable to most fusion for me, but less interesting in a live setting. I
did see Isotope 217 live a couple of years ago, and it was quite nice,
though when I caught them more recently, it seemed pretty restrained.
____________________________________________
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- -
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Date: Sun, 11 Feb 2001 23:28:47 +0100 (CET)
From: =?iso-8859-1?q?efr=E9n=20del=20valle?= <efrendv@yahoo.es>
Subject: Re: Tortoise
Well, Tortoise's live performances don't seem that bad
to me -seen them twice. It's true that they usually
restrain themselves to how the themes sound in the
record but they never said they were interested in
improvisation, at least, in the Tortoise context.
By the way, where do you see the fusion? If you are to
refer to Tortoise music by using that term, we will
have to apply it to almost any groups or musicians
talked about in this list.
In my opinion, it is because they tend to bring so
many things into their music that they're unclassical,
original or whatever you want to call them.
Tortoise don't seem to like soloing but it shouldn't
be something negative sometimes, should it?
Greetings,
EfrΘn del Valle
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Date: Sun, 11 Feb 2001 23:34:18 +0100 (CET)
From: =?iso-8859-1?q?efr=E9n=20del=20valle?= <efrendv@yahoo.es>
Subject: Re: To Record Only Water For Ten Days (no zorn)
Dear Matt,
"neither" could be a good adjective to apply to
Frusciante's music. Don't let the Peppers fool you.
What Frusciante did in his two first releases was
quite outlandish, absolutely weird. It was really
introspective music, with impossible-to-understand
lyrics and full of strange effects -backwards choruses
and guitar solos among them.
Maybe a good word to describe his second Cd "Smile
From The Streets You Hold" (Birdman Records) is
"ghostly". He was immersed in his heroin addiction
when he recorded those songs at home with to a
4-track.
Of course, his music won't change anything but it's
something pretty curious to listen to. His latest
album doesn't seem to be that promising though.
Greetings,
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Date: Sun, 11 Feb 2001 14:47:57 -0800
From: "Benito Vergara" <sunny70@sirius.com>
Subject: RE: Tortoise
I've only seen Tortoise live once, and this was after I had decided, via
"Millions Now Living Will Never Die" and "TNT' (which I still don't like),
that they were indeed a bunch of bad fusion noodlers. (On the other hand,
"Djed" is a great, great track.) Such was my pronouncement.
However, I saw Tortoise as the backup band for Tom Ze, and I took it all
back: they were excellent. Most likely it was having to play Tom Ze's skewed
pop-song structures, so their playing came out nice and tight and able to
stop and start on a dime.
Later,
Ben
np: xenakis: "la legende d'eer"
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- -
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Date: Sun, 11 Feb 2001 18:50:37 EST
From: DvdBelkin@aol.com
Subject: Re: Deportees [cf. Das Junges Brooklyners]
> But wait... Mark Feldman is slated to appear in Bloomington, IN February
> 27 as part of the John Abercrombie quartet. Should I assume, then, that
> this is off? Bloody hell, who knows when I'll have the chance to see his
> again.
No, no, Mark is moving with Sylvie, but he can return to the States any time.
Or maybe I heard it wrong and he'll be joining her later. But don't assume
yet that he's off for Bloomington. Anyway, I just wrote 'em to ask, I'll let
you know when I hear.
- -
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Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2001 01:32:38 -0000
From: "Alastair Wilson" <wilsonah@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Request For Ambient Music Recommendations
Scott Handley wrote:
> I just acquired the 2cd AMBIENT 4: ISOLATIONISM comp
> on Sire; brilliant, non-generic dark ambient with some
> of the best tracks by Main, Scorn, and Jim O'Rourke
> that I've heard, plus Nijiumu, AMM + Rohan de Saram,
> etc. I don't know if this is still in print, but I'd
> be interested to find the other issues in this series.
This is the CD which turned me on to O'Rourke. Paul Schutze, Labradford and
many many others. A turning point in my listening and I couldn't recommend
it too highly (FWIW).
I'm not sure if it's still in print (it was on Virgin in the UK), but beware
Ambient 1-3 as they are collections culled from Virgin back catalogue with
(as far as I'm aware) no new tracks. Fine if you want to listen to old Eno,
Froese and Laraaji. but nothing like the epochal "Isolationism" which is
made up of completely exclusive stuff.
The "numbered" series ended at four; however Virgin put out several other
CDs in the AMBT catalogue number series, including a frightening double CD
by Techno Animal and three excellent collections of previously released
stuff - "Tokyo Invasion Vol 1: Cosmic Kurushi Monsters" (Ruins, Musica
Transonic, Haino etc), "Monsters, Robots and Bugmen" (Stereolab, Cul De Sac,
Long Fin Killie, Ui etc) and "Jazz Satellites Vol 1" (Sun Ra, Eddie
Henderson, Don Cherry, 23 Skidoo etc). The four "Ocean of Sound"
compilations put together by David Toop were in this series also. I seem to
recall that Simon Hopkins had much to do with all this, so maybe he can let
us know if they're still around?
Alastair
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Date: Sun, 11 Feb 2001 21:42:13 EST
From: ObviousEye@aol.com
Subject: cecil taylor
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i just purchased Cecil Taylor's "Unit Structures", and i have yet to solidify
an opinion.
i think i like it, but i don't really know how to listen to free jazz, or
what makes it "good".
maybe someone can enlighten me.
ben
and: i find Reynols to be pretty funny/bizarre. hypnotic music.
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<HTML><FONT FACE=arial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=2>i just purchased Cecil Taylor's "Unit Structures", and i have yet to solidify
<BR>an opinion.
<BR>i think i like it, but i don't really know how to listen to free jazz, or
<BR>what makes it "good".
<BR>maybe someone can enlighten me.
<BR>
<BR>
<BR>ben
<BR>
<BR>and: i find Reynols to be pretty funny/bizarre. hypnotic music.</FONT></HTML>
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