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Zorn List Digest      Saturday, February 10 2001      Volume 03 : Number 277



In this issue:
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       Re: blessings blowing in from chicago town
       Re: TORTOISE/standards
       Re: TORTOISE
       Re: news on Bobby Previte's web site
       Re: blessings blowing in from chicago town
       atavistic
       Re: atavistic
       Re: Xenakis recs
       re:Masada Live in Taipei
       revolutionary ensemble
       Re: revolutionary ensemble
       Re: TORTOISE
       Re: TORTOISE
       Re: revolutionary ensemble
       Re: news on Bobby Previte's web site
       Re: news on Bobby Previte's web site
       Re: Masada Live in Taipei
       Request For Ambient Music Recommendations
       Re: revolutionary ensemble
       Re: revolutionary ensemble
       Re: Request For Ambient Music Recommendations

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Date: Fri, 09 Feb 2001 17:02:33 -0800
From: "Patrice L. Roussel" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: blessings blowing in from chicago town

    Jon,

On Fri, 9 Feb 2001 19:33:22 EST  [e-mail] wrote:
>
> for instance, why release Hunting The Snake instead of one of the unreleased
> FMP LPs, such as Pakistani Pomade? I'm pretty much Gⁿnter Mⁿller's biggest

Does FMP have ever ceded the rights of any records?

PAKISTANI POMADE is a great record, but I tend to prefer unreleased material
over reissues (with the exception of very bad unreleased ones, which is not
the case of HUNTING THE SNAKE).

> fan, but I don't get much out of the Nachtluft disc. the Bennink record is
> OK, but not as interesting to my ears as Tempo Comodo, and ceratinly poorer
> sound quality. the Cuypers and Tchicai/Schweizer seem pretty lightweight. I

Talking about Cuypers, I would have prefered BILLY MOUNCE (sp?), but HEAVY
DAYS is quite an enjoyable one (at least for a fan of the Dutch scene).

    Patrice.

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Date: Fri, 09 Feb 2001 20:10:49 -0500
From: Nils <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: TORTOISE/standards

having heard this disc, i'd say it's highly
recommended (but then so is all the tortoise
stuff, really).  not quite to the levels of
'tnt' but more a live, groovy kind of feel.

n

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Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2001 17:27:31 -0800
From: "s~Z" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: TORTOISE

>>>In this month's Wire there's a review of it, plus a large article.
The album
is released on Warp.<<<

When THE WIRE subscription went up to $150,000.00 a year I decided to
let it lapse.

What'd they think of the CD?


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Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2001 17:31:01 -0800
From: "s~Z" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: news on Bobby Previte's web site

>>>The Miles Davis Bitches Brew band<<<

upchucked my in'n'out burger on that one


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Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2001 20:33:47 EST
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: blessings blowing in from chicago town

In a message dated 2/9/01 8:03:01 PM, [e-mail] writes:

<< Does FMP have ever ceded the rights of any records? >>

the only one I can think of is M=F6slang/Guhl's Deep Voices (FMP 0510), whic=
h=20
was reissued on Urthona (and is really great.) I can't imagine that too many=
=20
people have approached FMP with the resources that Atavistic obviously have,=
=20
though.

<<PAKISTANI POMADE is a great record, but I tend to prefer unreleased materi=
al
over reissues (with the exception of very bad unreleased ones, which is not
the case of HUNTING THE SNAKE).>>

fair enough. I've never heard Pakistani Pomade (I'm largely curious because=20
it was given a crown in an early edition of the Penguin Guide), and I though=
t=20
Hunting The Snake was a notch below all of the trio FMP CDs (although I=20
haven't heard the new double disc.)=20

Jon
www.erstwhilerecords.com

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Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2001 01:46:44
From: "William York" <[e-mail]>
Subject: atavistic

yesterday, Kurt said, about Atavistic:

<<with no offense toward friends and compatriots on the list here, what
exactly is the best freakin label in the damn world?>>

>since no one else chimed in, I feel compelled to ask: does anyone else
> >think this is true? I hate to agree with Ben Watson on anything, but >I'm
>personally finding the Unheard Music Series kind of disappointing >so far.
>it seems as if Corbett values rarity over quality when choosing >some of
>the releases.

>for instance, why release Hunting The Snake instead of one of the
> >unreleased FMP LPs, such as Pakistani Pomade? I'm pretty much Gunter
> >Muller's biggest fan, but I don't get much out of the Nachtluft disc.
> >the Bennink record is OK, but not as interesting to my ears as Tempo
> >Comodo, and ceratinly poorer sound quality. the Cuypers and
> >Tchicai/Schweizer seem pretty lightweight.

I don't know about it being lightweight or not, but I liked the Leo Cuypers
CD a lot. That is my favorite one that I have heard so far in the series. I
also liked joe mcphee's nation time, and thought the schlippenbach 4tet CD
was pretty cool, at least parts of it (esp. the third track).

since they are so centered around Chicago-related stuff, it would be great
if they could reissue something like Air's "Air Lore," but then I guess that
wouldn't be "unheard" (plus the rights would probably be impossible to get).
anyway, i am glad to see i am not alone in not getting much out of the
nachtulft cd, though.

wy







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Date: Fri, 09 Feb 2001 20:45:30 -0500
From: Brian Olewnick <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: atavistic

William York wrote:
> anyway, i am glad to see i am not alone in not getting much out of the
> nachtulft cd, though.

Well, count me among the select few who enjoy both Nachtluft and the
Cuypers disc (though I have the latter on the original vinyl). Couldn't
really argue with the term "lightweight" on the Cuypers, but in a way,
that's what his music is about: simple, breezy and fun. Haven't heard
enough of the other Atavistic things to comment.

Brian Olewnick

NP: Pierr Henry/Michel Colombier - Metamorphose

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Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2001 02:30:02 -0000
From: "thomas chatterton" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Xenakis recs

>From: Scott Handley <[e-mail]>

>--- [e-mail] wrote:
> > the double CD of his complete string quartets on
> > Montaigne performed by the
> > Arditti which may or may not be in print. probably
> > my favorite string
> > quartets by anyone, not that I'm a real expert.
> > nevertheless, if you can find
> > this, it's essential.
>
>If this is set I'm thinking of, it only includes one
>or two string quartets as such, then over a disc of
>material from members of the Arditti Quartet and
>pianist Claude Helffer, in a number of configurations;
>I particularly love the pieces for cello solo, NOMOS
>ALPHA comes to mind.

This set is: Xenakis Chamber Music 1955-1990; the pieces are:
tetras (string quartet), mists (solo piano), kottos (solo cello), herma
(solo piano), embellie (solo viola), a r. (solo piano), mikka /mikka "S"
(solo violin), akea (piano & string quintet), dikhthas (violin & piano),
tetora (string quartet), nomos alpha (solo cello), ikhoor (string trio),
evryali (solo piano), st/4 (string quartet). All the pieces were composed by
Xenakis, Claude Helffer piano, Arditti String Quartet are the performers.
Highly recommended! And easily available 2 CD set for a reasonable price, I
paid about $17 for it...also I fail to grasp the problem some are having
with Masada Live In Taipei, sure the sound is not perfect, but the
performance certainly makes up for its very minor audio shortcomings. Maybe
that's why Zorn put it out! This discussion reminds me of a time I met
someone checking out some high end audio equipment, using the Gary Moore
'Blues For Greeny' CD tribute to Peter (Fleetwood Mac) Green). I asked if he
had ever heard the original versions, he said oh yeah, but he much preferred
the Gary Moore takes, because the sound quality was so much better...

Peace Out!

np Faust The Wumme Years
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Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2001 03:48:54 +0100
From: "piotr kalinski" <[e-mail]>
Subject: re:Masada Live in Taipei

Scott Handley <[e-mail]> wrote:

>also I fail to grasp the problem some are having
>with Masada Live In Taipei, sure the sound is not perfect, but the
>performance certainly makes up for its very minor audio shortcomings. Maybe
>that's why Zorn put it out! This discussion reminds me of a time I met
>someone checking out some high end audio equipment, using the Gary Moore
>'Blues For Greeny' CD tribute to Peter (Fleetwood Mac) Green). I asked if
he
>had ever heard the original versions, he said oh yeah, but he much
preferred
>the Gary Moore takes, because the sound quality was so much better...

I never said I had a problem with the sound quality of that recording.
I only wanted to find out if JZ had had any particular reason (apart from
the quality of the performance,
which - believe it or not - I also appreciate) to publish it.
This was so interesting to me partly because those "minor audio
shortcomings" are not so minor in my view.


be well
Piotr Kalinski






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Date: Fri, 09 Feb 2001 20:03:21 -0800
From: "serge dautricourt" <[e-mail]>
Subject: revolutionary ensemble

I got this these revolutionary ensemble mp3's on napster, but i can't figure
out what release it is.  It's live, so it might be bootleg.

The tracks are:
1. Clear Spring  2. March 4-1  3. Chicago  4. Revolutionary Ensemble

Does anybody know what the album is?

thanks in advance
Serge
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Date: Fri, 09 Feb 2001 23:22:41 -0500
From: Brian Olewnick <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: revolutionary ensemble

serge dautricourt wrote:
>
> I got this these revolutionary ensemble mp3's on napster, but i can't figure
> out what release it is.

It was originally released on Inner City in 1978, simply titled
"Revolutionary Ensemble". Recorded live in Austria August 18, 1977.

Brian Olewnick

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Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2001 21:57:22 -0800 (PST)
From: aaron chua <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: TORTOISE

> The album
> is released on Warp.<<<

FWIW, i think it's still on thrill jockey but licensed
to diff labels outside the US. ie WARP in UK etc


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Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2001 21:58:13 -0800 (PST)
From: SUGAR in their vitamins? <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: TORTOISE

feb 20 in the united states.
out already in uk (warp)

hasta.

On Fri, 9 Feb 2001, [iso-8859-1] efr=E9n del valle wrote:

> Has the new Tortoise album been released out there?
> Should I be looking forward to it?


Yes.  Beautiful, wonderful nature.  Hear it sing to us: *snap*  Yes.  natUR=
E.


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Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2001 23:00:43 -0800 (PST)
From: Scott Handley <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: revolutionary ensemble

Speaking of the Revolutionary Ensemble, I heard the
entirety of an RE LP called PEOPLE'S REPUBLIC, or
something like that; I remember it being pretty
unbelieveable, great at least.  _That_, Atavistic
should re-issue. Badly.

- ---s


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Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2001 23:13:09 -0800 (PST)
From: Scott Handley <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: news on Bobby Previte's web site

[from the bobby previte site]
> First of all Jamie Saft and I have been recording a
> plethora of new music,
> under the name "Swami Lateplate."

Has anyone seen/heard this project, or does anyone
have the CD, or have rumours to pass on?  Just
curious.

> The Miles Davis Bitches Brew band, formerly "The
> Horse"...will be releasing a 5 CD box set, one CD
> at a time,

Huh?  Do we then get to send in coupons from all five
and get the box?  Is it then not a box set per se, but
a serial box?

- ----s, ducking

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Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2001 23:12:45 -0800 (PST)
From: Scott Handley <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: news on Bobby Previte's web site

[from the bobby previte site]
> First of all Jamie Saft and I have been recording a
> plethora of new music,
> under the name "Swami Lateplate."

Has anyone seen/heard this project, or does anyone
have the CD, or have rumours to pass on?  Just
curious.

> The Miles Davis Bitches Brew band, formerly "The
> Horse"...will be releasing a 5 CD box set, one CD
> at a time,

Huh?  Do we then get to send in coupons from all five
and get the box?  Is it then not a box set per se, but
a serial box?

- ----s, ducking

NP: Nurse With Wound, SOLILOQUY FOR LILITH

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Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2001 04:30:44 EST
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: Masada Live in Taipei

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sorry to beat a dead horse, but the Taipei concerts are by far the most wild
and inspired I've ever heard Dave Douglas or Joey Baron. the sound is not the
point. listen to the playing.... everything stops & starts on a dime, and
track 2 of disc 20 alone is worth at least $50 from my wallet.... you guys
really prefer the studio albums to that? wow... I think Dave hasn't really
been 'playing' in that band since 1999. there are some exceptions but, after
seeing that band maybe 30 times (no joke), that's my view....

IMO, Masada will never sound like it did for me at Tonic, Jan 23, 1999.


Cheers,
Dave

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<HTML><FONT FACE=arial,helvetica><FONT  SIZE=2>sorry to beat a dead horse, but the Taipei concerts are by far the most wild
<BR>and inspired I've ever heard Dave Douglas or Joey Baron. the sound is not the
<BR>point. listen to the playing.... everything stops & starts on a dime, and
<BR>track 2 of disc 20 alone is worth at least $50 from my wallet.... you guys
<BR>really prefer the studio albums to that? wow... I think Dave hasn't really
<BR>been 'playing' in that band since 1999. there are some exceptions but, after
<BR>seeing that band maybe 30 times (no joke), that's my view....
<BR>
<BR>IMO, Masada will never sound like it did for me at Tonic, Jan 23, 1999.
<BR>
<BR>
<BR>Cheers,
<BR>Dave</FONT></HTML>

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Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2001 23:58:06 +1100
From: "Adam Rock" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Request For Ambient Music Recommendations

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Hello everyone,

The recent thread pertaining to avant garde electronica served to =
reignite my interest in ambient music. I really enjoy Aphex Twin's =
"Selected Ambient Works Vol 2," Brian Eno's "Apollo: Atmospheres and =
Soundtracks", and certain tracks from Dead Voices On Air's "Piss Frond." =
Does anyone have any suggestions as to where I might go from here?

Thanks in advance,

Adam

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Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2001 08:23:08 -0500
From: Brian Olewnick <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: revolutionary ensemble

Scott Handley wrote:
>
> Speaking of the Revolutionary Ensemble, I heard the
> entirety of an RE LP called PEOPLE'S REPUBLIC, or
> something like that; I remember it being pretty
> unbelieveable, great at least.

That came out on A&M/Horizon as part of a short-lived series of
relatively well produced albums that included nice bios, scores, etc. RE
was the most "avant garde" of the roster, which also had Jim Hall, Thad
Lewis, Dave Liebman/Richie Bierach. imho, it's the best thing RE ever
put to wax, coming the closest to their live shows. Jenkins playing on
'New York' is extraordinary and Cooper's composition, 'Ponderous
Planets' is a long-time fave.

The Charlie Haden duos that I _think_ were also part of this series have
been issued to disc, but I'm not sure about any of the others, including
'People's Republic'.

Brian Olewnick

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Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2001 08:38:35 -0500
From: "George Scala" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: revolutionary ensemble

i believe this was originally issued as Enja 3003  titled "164=11tc, etc"

George Scala


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From: "Brian Olewnick" <[e-mail]>
To: "serge dautricourt" <[e-mail]>
Cc: <[e-mail]>
Sent: Friday, February 09, 2001 11:22 PM
Subject: Re: revolutionary ensemble


> serge dautricourt wrote:
> >
> > I got this these revolutionary ensemble mp3's on napster, but i can't
figure
> > out what release it is.
>
> It was originally released on Inner City in 1978, simply titled
> "Revolutionary Ensemble". Recorded live in Austria August 18, 1977.
>
> Brian Olewnick
>
> -
>


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Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2001 07:30:13 -0800
From: big ums <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Request For Ambient Music Recommendations

On Sat, 10 Feb 2001  "Adam Rock" writes:
> The recent thread pertaining to avant garde electronica served to
> reignite my interest in ambient music. I really enjoy Aphex Twin's
> "Selected Ambient Works Vol 2," Brian Eno's "Apollo: Atmospheres and
> Soundtracks", and certain tracks from Dead Voices On Air's "Piss
> Frond." Does anyone have any suggestions as to where I might go from
> here?

There are several directions that you can head into at this point,
depending on what you like about the above artists.  Every single person
who is into this stuff can offer several suggestions.  Here are mine.
Quickly.

I think if you like the creepier, darker sounds, definitely check out
Aube, rhBand, Organum & Pelt.  If you like abstract, but lighter sounds,
perhaps Flying Saucer Attack (the Tele-funken collab is quite good),
Microstoria, Oval or the abstract beat laden Autechre, who I've just
heard for the first time yesterday.  Almost on the poppy side is Windy &
Carl, who have a new LP coming out in a couple of months, but you can get
the thick masterpiece "Depths" right now.  Fuxa's "Accretion" and
Flowchart's "Tenjira" are both worthy of your time as well, but are more
pop than "ambient."

But hell, this ain't even the tip of the ice burg.  Try joining the
droneon list <[e-mail]> (I think... a quick
search with your search engine for "DroneOn list" should yield results)
as they have more suggestions for this type of thing than any other place
I could possibly think of.  But be prepared, there were close to 20 posts
yesterday berating a frustrated boob who wanted to unsub, but couldn't
figure it out... fun moments to be had for sure, if you don't mind wading
through several posts.

Lot's of off topic stuff, but more drone/ambience info than you could
hope for.

Cheers,
ChuckP.


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