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From: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com (Zorn List Digest)
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Subject: Zorn List Digest V3 #233
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Zorn List Digest Saturday, January 6 2001 Volume 03 : Number 233
In this issue:
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Re: braxton pno
zorn sheet music
Re: cool edit (no zorn content)
Re: cool edit (no zorn content)
Re: cool edit (no zorn content)
Re: cool edit (no zorn content)
Re: zorn sheet music
Re: rumormongering
Fred Lane
RE: Current 93
Re: Current 93
Cecil Taylor interview
TYRING BROOKLIN SCENE
RE: Autro Brooklynitos were MOT
Re: cool edit (no zorn content)
Re: cool edit (no zorn content)
Conlon Nancarrow CD
Re: Current 93, Stenbock
Re: Current 93, Stenbock
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Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2001 18:13:35 EST
From: Acousticlv@aol.com
Subject: Re: braxton pno
In a message dated 1/5/01 1:24:47 PM, jzitt@metatronpress.com writes:
How is Braxton's piano work?
<< On Fri, Jan 05, 2001 at 11:30:33AM -0500, Acousticlv@aol.com wrote:
> n.p. braxton pno qt live knit v2 (leo)
hi joseph
well, marty ehrlich takes over the horn duties with aplomb.
i reeally enjoy t rbax's piano, but you can only do that it you
expect it to be nothing like his horn stuff. sometimes it seems
he's only comping, but other times he goes off freeflight,
not at all like cecil, but i have to listen more to think to whom
i might compare him. although these are all standards,
sometimes they overlap much as braxton's own compositions
do. long takes, most 15-20m.
yrs
steve n.p.: lea delaria: box lunch
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Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2001 15:26:23 -0800 (PST)
From: pak <jpaknichols@yahoo.com>
Subject: zorn sheet music
hello everyone...just returned from new york and i got
to see bar kokbha and sex mob at tonic...the show was
incredible...jz joined sex mob for some serious
skronking...after the bar kokbha set, i asked mr. zorn
where i could obtain some of his sheet music...he just
shrugged and smiled...so i am wondering if anyone of
the z-list knows of anyplace where i can get any zorn
sheet music...thanks in advance!
pak
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Date: Sat, 6 Jan 2001 13:01:19 +1100
From: "Julian" <jcurwin@hartingdale.com.au>
Subject: Re: cool edit (no zorn content)
> I use it a lot -- most of the MP3s at http://www.metatronpress.com/mp3/
> were edited with CoolEdit (though mostly converted with MusicMatch).
> Editing a show is a painstaking process, and I don't know of much of a
> shortcut if you want to do it well.
Can't you just reopen CoolEdit (ie have two open), then cut from one and
paste in the other?
- -
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Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2001 21:12:06 -0500
From: Joseph Zitt <jzitt@metatronpress.com>
Subject: Re: cool edit (no zorn content)
On Sat, Jan 06, 2001 at 01:01:19PM +1100, Julian wrote:
> > I use it a lot -- most of the MP3s at http://www.metatronpress.com/mp3/
> > were edited with CoolEdit (though mostly converted with MusicMatch).
> > Editing a show is a painstaking process, and I don't know of much of a
> > shortcut if you want to do it well.
>
> Can't you just reopen CoolEdit (ie have two open), then cut from one and
> paste in the other?
Well, yes. The challenge is finding appropriate points at which to cut,
especially if you want to be able to load up the MP3s in order and
listen to the entire show without interruption. That's both an aesthetic
and technological challenge, and takes up most of the time of splitting
the show.
- --
|> ~The only thing that is not art is inattention~ --- Marcel Duchamp <|
| jzitt@metatronpress.com http://www.metatronpress.com/jzitt |
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Date: Sat, 6 Jan 2001 13:55:54 +1100
From: "Julian" <jcurwin@hartingdale.com.au>
Subject: Re: cool edit (no zorn content)
> Well, yes. The challenge is finding appropriate points at which to cut,
> especially if you want to be able to load up the MP3s in order and
> listen to the entire show without interruption. That's both an aesthetic
> and technological challenge, and takes up most of the time of splitting
> the show.
Well, the best place is nearly always the beginning of the piece...
- -
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Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2001 21:25:03 -0500
From: Joseph Zitt <jzitt@metatronpress.com>
Subject: Re: cool edit (no zorn content)
On Sat, Jan 06, 2001 at 01:55:54PM +1100, Julian wrote:
> > Well, yes. The challenge is finding appropriate points at which to cut,
> > especially if you want to be able to load up the MP3s in order and
> > listen to the entire show without interruption. That's both an aesthetic
> > and technological challenge, and takes up most of the time of splitting
> > the show.
>
> Well, the best place is nearly always the beginning of the piece...
Well, yes. But "the beginning" is often a challenge to find, depending
on the background noise, the attack of the first sound, whether the
piece has flowed continuously from the previous one, etc. Like many
such things, it seems trivial until you actually try to do it well.
(I will now go back to worrying whether there is a hyphen in
"anal[ -]retentive".)
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Date: Fri, 05 Jan 2001 22:08:30 -0600
From: "samuel yrui" <nonintention@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: zorn sheet music
i used to ask this question a lot. (not to zorn himself)
and then gave up and just decided to transcribe by ear.
maybe that's why he's smiling, because he wants people to work for
it or not play it at all. sounds like a great show, anyway;)
-samuel
hello everyone...just returned from new york and i got
to see bar kokbha and sex mob at tonic...the show was
incredible...jz joined sex mob for some serious
skronking...after the bar kokbha set, i asked mr. zorn
where i could obtain some of his sheet music...he just
shrugged and smiled...so i am wondering if anyone of
the z-list knows of anyplace where i can get any zorn
sheet music...thanks in advance!
pak
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Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2001 20:48:35 -0800
From: "s~Z" <keith@pfmentum.com>
Subject: Re: rumormongering
>>>hollywood, however, is apparently turning a profit.<<<
http://www.hrdeluxe.com/nyeve2000.html
- -
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Date: Fri, 05 Jan 2001 23:53:39 -0500
From: Lang Thompson <wlt4@mindspring.com>
Subject: Fred Lane
Considering the discussion recently I thought some of you might be
interested in this article about Tim/Fred.
http://www.tuscaloosanews.com/life/features/stories/010105lf1.html
- -------------------------------------------
Adventures In Sound
http://wlt4.home.mindspring.com/adventures.htm
Outsider Music Mailing List
http://wlt4.home.mindspring.com/outsider.htm
Documentary Sound
http://wlt4.home.mindspring.com/adventures/documentary.htm
Full Alert Film Review
http://wlt4.home.mindspring.com/fafr.htm
- -
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Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2001 21:11:18 -0800 (PST)
From: SUGAR in their vitamins? <yol@esophagus.com>
Subject: RE: Current 93
On Fri, 5 Jan 2001, Benito Vergara wrote:
> Probably off-topic -- I can't think of anyone connected to Tibet that has
> even one degree of separation from Zorn, though there must be someone (maybe
> Charlemagne Palestine?) -- but here goes:
current 93 did play at tonic last year...
> Perfect Mind." I hugely prefer "All the Pretty Horses" instead, which marks
same here.
> his first collaboration with horror writer Thomas Ligotti. (Tibet's recent
> work is somewhat too stripped down for my taste; much of the time is just
> him accompanied by piano or harmonium. And if his voice and
> poet-starving-in-a-garret lyrics can be a little irksome, well, his latest
> work amplifies those even more.)
well, i wouldn't be so quick to lump his latest
work in that category. faust is neither of
those things.
hasta.
Yes. Beautiful, wonderful nature. Hear it sing to us: *snap* Yes. natURE.
- -
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Date: Sat, 06 Jan 2001 00:19:19 -0500
From: Lang Thompson <wlt4@mindspring.com>
Subject: Re: Current 93
>did anything ever result from that pamphlet/mini-manifesto that Zorn
>released? anyone see any experimental sections crop up in record stores
>because of it? just curious, I don't expect that it did.
The Tower Records here had an experimental section that started about that
time or perhaps a tad earlier. It had all the Tzadik separated out, along
with FMP, Incus, Knitting Factory and related, all of course priced quite
high (one reason I never shop there, along with a general disinterest in
any inventory beyond the obvious). But it appears to be gone now. I've
been told that each store is fairly autonomous in their ordering and
layout/marketing so this may have just been the result of an interested
employee.
Lang
- -------------------------------------------
Adventures In Sound
http://wlt4.home.mindspring.com/adventures.htm
Outsider Music Mailing List
http://wlt4.home.mindspring.com/outsider.htm
Documentary Sound
http://wlt4.home.mindspring.com/adventures/documentary.htm
Full Alert Film Review
http://wlt4.home.mindspring.com/fafr.htm
- -
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Date: Sat, 06 Jan 2001 08:49:31 -0500
From: Perfect Sound Forever <perfect-sound@furious.com>
Subject: Cecil Taylor interview
Greetings,
In the latest issue of Perfect Sound Forever
<http://www.furious.com/perfect>, you'll find (among other things):
CECIL TAYLOR
Interview- need we say more? Well, OK, we should. After celebrating his
70th birthday and over forty years as an artist, one of the most
revolutionary musicians of the last century reflects on this work.
MAGMA
An interview with leader Christian Vander, coinciding with their first New
York shows in over a quarter of a century. Also sordid tales about
unwittingly becoming Magma's manager and translations problems that
transcend the Kobaian tongue
We're always looking for good writers and/or ideas so let us know if you
have anything to share.
See you online,
Jason
I'm having some problems with my mail server
My apologies if your message to me gets bounced back with an error
If that happens, please e-mail me again
Perfect Sound Forever
online music magazine
perfect-sound@furious.com
http://www.furious.com/perfect
- -
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Date: Sat, 6 Jan 2001 15:45:55 +0100 (CET)
From: =?iso-8859-1?q?efr=E9n=20del=20valle?= <efrendv@yahoo.es>
Subject: TYRING BROOKLIN SCENE
Hi there!
Well, I was not trying to raise a discussion subject
when I spoke about "the Brooklyn scene". I read that
in several magazines and I assumed that's how these
group of musicians was known in the US.
However, I think it's undeniable that, at some level,
people like Perowsky, Speed, Saft, Black or Noriega
are musically-related. Not only for playing together
but for a certain similarity in musical conception.
Maybe their age and their collaborations make me
relate them unconciously. I don't know.
Anyway, sorry if I was misunderstood. I'm not much
into labels or "generational artistic groups". I don't
really think there is an actual interest on this
subject. We should better stick to music, shouldn't
we?
Regards,
EFR╔N DEL VALLE
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Date: Sat, 6 Jan 2001 13:27:14 -0500 (EST)
From: Ken Waxman <mingusaum@yahoo.ca>
Subject: RE: Autro Brooklynitos were MOT
David:
Check old interviews in Cadence with the likes of
Shorty Rogers etc. Also Ira Gitler's oral history
entitled Swing To Bop (Oxford) has many details about
the Brooklyn bebop scene.
Looking at the continuum, BTW, Jews, radical or not
have been involved with improvised music since its
earlier days.
Ken Waxman
- --- DvdBelkin@aol.com wrote:
> In a message dated Fri, 5 Jan 2001 2:39:39 PM
> And how about a tip of the porkpie hat to what would
> have been my father's Brooklyn jazz scene (if he'd
been hip to his neighbors) - the Brownsville
> beboppers Tiny Kahn, Sonny Berman, Red Rodney, I
> think Terry Gibbs, maybe Al Cohn, others - not all
born but at some point in the'40s based there. Have
> only heard bits of the story (and forgotten most of
> those), would love to learn more.
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Date: Sat, 6 Jan 2001 18:39:20 +0100
From: "Francesco Martinelli" <fmartinelli@tin.it>
Subject: Re: cool edit (no zorn content)
you select the LAST SONG, cut it and paste it on a new file with the
appropriate title, repeat until the first, and you have the mp3 files you
need. for neatness, it's not bad having a separate directory for each show,
or mention th ename of the band in the file name, otherwise you'll quickly
have a jumble of files with sometimes similar names to get lost in. Also
discard the original huge file or put it on Cd for future uses.
Francesco
- ----- Original Message -----
From: "Tom Gatzen" <aargh881@yahoo.com>
To: <zorn-list@lists.xmission.com>
Sent: Friday, January 05, 2001 11:50 PM
Subject: cool edit (no zorn content)
> anyone here use it? if so does anyone know what is the
> best way to take a 90 minute show and split up each
> tune into mp3s instead of having one huge mp3 for the
> whole show???
>
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>
>
- -
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Date: Sat, 06 Jan 2001 12:39:30 -0600
From: Craig Rath <fripp@mn.mediaone.net>
Subject: Re: cool edit (no zorn content)
>you select the LAST SONG, cut it and paste it on a new file with the
>appropriate title, repeat until the first, and you have the mp3 files you
>need. for neatness, it's not bad having a separate directory for each show,
>or mention th ename of the band in the file name, otherwise you'll quickly
>have a jumble of files with sometimes similar names to get lost in. Also
>discard the original huge file or put it on Cd for future uses.
If you are working in wav files, there is a good shareware utility called
CD Wave which displays the entire wav file, and allows you to cut it up
into smaller chunks (essentially creating a cue sheet for the wav file) and
then when you are done it will create separate wav files for each segment.
The nice thing about it is that it will divide the tracks at 2352 byte
borders which allows for the tracks to be seamlessly burned to CD without
that annoying click you sometimes get between tracks when the two tracks
run into each other. I've got an older version of it, but you should be
able to get an updated version at http://www.crosswinds.net/~cdwave/ - If
you don't have room for the files in wav format, though, then Cool Edit is
probably one of the better ones. Just make sure you get a version which
allows you to have multiple files open at one time.
- -
------------------------------
Date: Sat, 6 Jan 2001 13:06:29 -0600
From: Herb Levy <herb@eskimo.com>
Subject: Conlon Nancarrow CD
I got several questions about the Conlon Nancarrow CD Lost Works,
Last Works on my year-end list, so I figure I should say something
more about it on the list.
In some ways this may be the best single-CD introduction to
Nancarrow's music, at least his use of player pianos: it includes
pieces from the 1930s, 1940s, 1950s, and his four last pieces from
the early 1990s. And there's a great half hour of interview from 1977
when Charles Amirkhanian produced and recorded the 1750 Arch LPs of
Nancarrow's music. & It's certainly far cheaper than the five-CD set
on Wergo.
Except for a couple of pieces recorded in 1977 and not used for the
1750 Arch recordings (player piano recordings of the Sonatina & 2
movements from String Quartet #1) and two tapes from Nancarrow's own
collection (a musique concrete work and a study for prepared player
piano, both long believed to be lost), the pieces were recorded on
Trimpin's computer-controlled instruments.
The works Trimpin does on the CD are Prelude and Blues and
Nancarrow's four final compositions: Para Yoko (dedicated to
Nancarrow's wife); Studies #50 & 51; and Contraption #1, originally
for an automated prepared piano Trimpin built, here heard on
computer-controlled piano and Trimpin's Conloninpurple, an
instrument/installation that's a kind of a computer-controlled
spatially diffused marimba (individual keys are suspended from the
ceiling with mechanical devices to strike them and tuned purple
"trumpets" to reinforce the sound of each key).
People who've heard some of Nancarrow's music may have heard other
recordings of about ten minutes of this music, though in very
different performances. The rest of the music has never available in
any form, and as I wrote above the interview material is also very
cool.
The disc was released by the Other Minds festival, an annual event in
the San Francisco Bay area. I'd guess it gets little or no
distribution, but you can get it from them at
<http://www.otherminds.org>.
- --
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P O Box 9369 Forth Wort, TX 76147
817 377-2983
herb@eskimo.com
- -
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Date: Sat, 06 Jan 2001 21:57:50
From: "M. pathos" <mpathos@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Current 93, Stenbock
Mr. Stapleton seems unusually intested in writers (for a musician). In
addition to Ligotti, he has made a cause of Count Stenbock, a depressive -
but rich - poet. I only know his Stenbock's work by reputation; has anybody
experienced his work firsthand? Any thoughts?
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Date: Sat, 6 Jan 2001 16:16:40 -0800 (PST)
From: SUGAR in their vitamins? <yol@esophagus.com>
Subject: Re: Current 93, Stenbock
from the cd's liner notes:
count eric stenbock (1860-1895), a member of the estonian branch of a noble
swedish family, was the most extraordinary of the decadent writers who
flourished in london at the end of the nineteenth century. during his brief life
he was responsible for three small volumes of melancholy and suicidal verse
(love, sleep and dreams; myrtle, rue and cypress; and the shadows of death),
suffused with catholicism, homosexuality and a longing for pain and death, and
one extraordinary book of short stories, studies of death, in which he developed
these themes into unhappy and haunting vignettes. by the time of his death from
drug addiction and alcoholism, he was absolutely reliant on his confessor and
was accompanied everywhere he went by a life-size wooden doll that he believed
to be his son. he lies buried in brighton catholic cemetery. his collected
works, published and unpublished, are being reprinted by durtro press. may he
rest in the company of saints under the loving gaze of god.
for this, the final: currenty nintey three: david tibet, steven stapelton,
andria degens, with the assistance of alice and helen potter. mixed by steven
stapelton and david tibet. engineered by colin potter at the water tower. all
artwork by babs santini, with the assistance of matt black.
david tibet, london, 1.VIII.2000
from david:
FAUST (Durtro 060) is the new album from Current Ninety Three, to be released
in September 2000. With music by David Tibet, Steven Stapleton and Andria
Degens, FAUST is a musical setting of a ferocious and melancholy black magic
story written by the arch-decadent writer, Count Eric Stenbock
(1860-1895) towards the end of his life.
The album is released in two formats: the unlimited CD version comes with a 40
page booklet containing the text of this previously unpublished tale, two
screen-printed inserts and also a previously unknown photograph of Count
Stenbock. The 12" version, limited to 1,000 copies, comes as a clear vinyl
record in a clear vinyl sleeve screen-printed on both sides, with a four page
booklet printing the text of the story, and a fold-out poster signed by David
Tibet and Steven Stapleton.
Count Eric Stenbock was a member of the Estonian branch of a noble Swedish
family. Living for the most part in Brighton and London, he had published during
his lifetime four (now fantastically rare) books, of which three were small
volumes of poetry ("Love, Sleep and Dreams"; "Myrtle, Rue and Cypress"; and "The
Shadow of Death") and one a collection of melancholic and exquiste short
stories, "Studies of Death". Homosexual, Catholic and obsessed by pain and
death, he died early as a result of his addiction to alcohol and opium. An
associate of Oscar Wilde, WB Yeats and Simeon Solomon, towards the end of his
life he was accompanied everywhere by his priestly confessor and a life-sized
wooden doll that he believed to be his son. His "The True Story of a
Vampire" (from "Studies of Death") is considered to be one of the greatest
vampire--and homo-erotic--stories of all time. His biography, written by John
Adlard, was published in 1969 by Cecil Woolf: "Stenbock, Yeats and the
Nineties".
David Tibet has been given access to all his unpublished papers, and is in the
process of publishing those as well as republishing the volumes mentioned
above. He has already published an expanded edition of "Studies of Death"; a
previously unpublished biographical and philosophical piece, "The Myth of
Punch", in a handprinted edition with notes and an afterword by Tibet; and a
collection of four stories found in typescript and never seen during Stenbock's
lifetime, "the Child of the Soul; and Other Stories".
Have pity for the dead: David Tibet, London, 4.VIII.2000
if you like ghost stories, it's fantastic.
hasta.
On Sat, 6 Jan 2001, M. pathos wrote:
> Mr. Stapleton seems unusually intested in writers (for a musician). In
> addition to Ligotti, he has made a cause of Count Stenbock, a depressive -
> but rich - poet. I only know his Stenbock's work by reputation; has anybody
> experienced his work firsthand? Any thoughts?
Yes. Beautiful, wonderful nature. Hear it sing to us: *snap* Yes. natURE.
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