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Zorn List Digest        Friday, January 5 2001        Volume 03 : Number 232



In this issue:
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       nyc/free marion brown & guntr hampel
       brooklyn venues
       Re: all-black labels arrghh
       Catching up
       Year-end list
       Re: Autro Brooklynitos
       rumormongering
       OT - cd burner help
       RE: Autro Brooklynitos
       Re: Zony Mash w/Frisell & Holcomb - 1/6/01 Seattle
       Re: surprise of the day
       RE: Autro Brooklynitos
       Ex-Officio Brooklynites [was Re: Autro Brooklynitos]
       RE: Current 93
       Re: Current 93
       cool edit (no zorn content)
       Re: cool edit (no zorn content)

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Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2001 12:05:27 EST
From: [e-mail]
Subject: nyc/free marion brown & guntr hampel

dear friends,
gunter hampel just sent me the following:

upcoming NEW YORK CONCERT : FREE ADMISSION !!!!!!!!!!
january 1o  wednesday , 2,3o PM  2001
at MANHATTANVILLE HEALTH CARE CENTER , 311 w 231 ST. sTREET , rIVERDALE =
subway 1 + 9 to 231./BROADWAY , walk west

MARION BROWN/GUNTER HAMPEL DUO
FOR MORE info S WRITE [e-mail]
and visit www.gunterhampelmusic.de , look under GEMINI,Birth CD o37

yrs
steve koenig
n.p. marion brown/gunter hampel : 'reeds n vibes'  on paul bley's iai records
(just got for $6 from cybermusicsurplus.com)

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Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2001 12:17:35 EST
From: [e-mail]
Subject: brooklyn venues

<< Always on the lookout for happening
brooklyn venues... >>

heloo fellow breukelnite,
there are two places of notice.
one is called 'up above jazz' on the corner of flatburn and 7th ave,
right above the d train seventh avenue (brooklyn) stop.
i havent been there yet but theyve had great folks.

also the brooklyn acad of music has BAM CAFE
with no cover or minimum... folks like
fred ho, chris jonas, other fine folks played there

havent yet been to ahmed abdullah's sistah's place
(dunno if curating or owning)
whatever one thinks about the to-do about the tales of his
trying to co-opt the name of sun ra ark from sunny's family,
taking it away from marshall allen.
here's from their press release:
Sistas' Place, a coffee house where culture is served along with
croissants, cakes and teas, and Sunday Dunch (a combo of dinner
and lunch) is located in the Bed-Stuy section of Brooklyn at
456 Nostrand Avenue.  The entrance is on Jefferson Avenue,
around the corner from Nostrand.  For further information and
reservations call [phone].
!n the coming weeks:
Saturday-January 6/01- the Andrew Lamb Ensemble
Sunday-January 7/01-Jazzoetry
Saturday- January 13-Benny Powell in an open rehearsal(@7PM)
and concert at 9 and 10:30PM
Sunday January 14- Sistas' Place and the Central Brooklyn
Jazz Consortium and Festival celebrate the music and
life of Cal Massey w/Harry Constant directing
the I.S. 55 Bluenotes from 2-5PM
Saturday- January 20-vocalist Karen Taylor and trio
Sunday- January 21- Jazz Videos and Indie Films



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Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2001 11:41:56 -0500
From: Joseph Zitt <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: all-black labels arrghh

On Fri, Jan 05, 2001 at 11:30:33AM -0500, [e-mail] wrote:

> n.p. braxton pno qt live knit v2 (leo)

How is Braxton's piano work?

n.p. Marion Brown: Afternoon of a Georgia Fawn

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Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2001 11:29:13 -0600
From: Herb Levy <[e-mail]>
Subject: Catching up

If digests came less often I'd maybe read them more often, but I just
don't have the time. These three items seem like they may still be
relevant:

Staten Island scene? In addition to Reid & Klucevsek, don't leave out
trombonist composer Peter Zummo, and Phill Niblock taught
(photography, not music) at the City college campus there long enough
to retire a year or two ago.  & the Snug Harbor Cultural Center at
least USED to program some interesting music from time to time.

Lutoslawski: There's a wonderful six LP (never released on CD as far
as I know) of the composer conducting what I think is all of the
orchestral works through Mi Parti (1976). I have it on German EMI & I
like it enough that I never bothered to buy the same works on CD
(Symphonies 3 & 4, Chaine, and something else, I think, were written
after this was released).


>does anybody know anything about this recording with Bill Frisell:
>
>ZERX 28  J.A.DEANE - These Times (rec. october 1988)
>
Downtown Music Gallery has had it.  I've just given it a cursory
listen & it seems like good live stuff, but I couldn't say more for
now.  Zerx has at least one other, live solo CD by Deane which I like
pretty well; not as produced as the Victo solo or the old
Ear-Rational three-way disc with Jeff Greinke & what must be the only
thing by Art Zoyd that I own.


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Herb Levy
P O Box 9369  Forth Wort, TX  76147
817  377-2983
[e-mail]

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Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2001 11:28:20 -0600
From: Herb Levy <[e-mail]>
Subject: Year-end list

I haven't done one of these in a while, but after learning about a
lot of things I hadn't heard yet while reading  so many lists here
from the last few weeks, I figure the music that mattered to me last
year is probably different enough so that posting it might be worth
while to somebody.

So here's today's take on the CDs that mattered to me from last year
(technically, a couple of these may have been released in late 1999)
in alphabetical order:

Robert Ashley: Dust  Lovely Music
Anthony Braxton: 4 Compositions (Washington)  Braxton House
John Butcher & Phil Durrant: Requests & Antisongs  Erstwhile
Maria de Alvear: World  World Editions
Mark Dresser: Marinade  Tzadik
Morton Feldman: Triadic Memories (Louis Goldstein) Offseason
Morton Feldman: Violin & Piano  Mode
Ellen Fullman: Change of Direction  New Albion
Jean-Luc Godard: Histoire(s) du Cinema   ECM
Milford Graves: Stories  Tzadik
Bernard Gunther: brown, blue, brown on blue  Trente Oiseaux
Lou Harrison: Labrynth  Hat
Gerry Hemingway: Chamber Works  Tzadik
Earl Howard/Denman Maroney: Firesong  Erstwhile
Le Quan Ninh / Gunther Muller: La voyelle liquide  Erstwhile
Joelle Leandre Project  Leo
Thomas Lehn: Feldstarken  Random Acoustic
Olivier Messiaen: 20 Regards (Pierre-Laurent Aimard)  Teldec
MIMEO: Electric Chair & Table  Grob
Ikue Mori: 100 Aspects of the Moon  Tzadik
Conlon Nancarrow: Lost Works, Last Works  Other Minds
Pauline Oliveros: Primodial Lift  TotE
Roger Reynolds: Arditti Quartet  Montaigne
Steve Peters: In Memory of the 4 Winds
Arnold Schoenberg: Complete Piano Music (Pi-hsien Cheng)  Hat
John Schott: Shuffle Play  New World
Wadada Leo Smith: Reflectativity  Tzadik
Burkhard Stangl/Christof Kurzmann: Schnee  Erstwhile
Lois V Vierk: River Beneath the River  Tzadik
Iannis Xenakis: Piano Music (Aki Takahashi)  Mode
John Zorn: Xu Feng  Tzadik


Reissues

Steve Beresford: Bath of Surprise  Amoeba
Anthony Braxton: For Alto  Delmark
Iskra 1903: Chapter 1  Emanem
Paul Jacobs: The Legendary Busoni Recordings + Etudes, etc  Arbiter
Tom Johnson: Hour for Piano Lovely Music
Francisco Lopez: Temizlemek  Linnea Alternativa
Gustav Mahler: various works conducted by Jascha Horenstein BBC,
Unicorn, Music & Arts
Gordon Mumma: Studio Restrospect  Lovely Music
Terry Riley: The Gift  Organ of Corti
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Herb Levy
P O Box 9369  Forth Wort, TX  76147
817  377-2983
[e-mail]

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Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2001 12:37:10 -0600 (CST)
From: Tom Benton <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Autro Brooklynitos

Jim McLoughlin wrote...

>
> So here is what I think of when I hear "brooklyn scene"...
>

.....

> - - Chocolate Genius (Marc Anthony Thompson), whose featured Oren
> Bloedow, Danny Blume and Brandon Ross in his band at Broooklyn Academy
> of Music
>

Or, on Sessions at West 54th, Marc Ribot and Jamie Saft (as well as a
rhythm section I didn't recognize).

I doubt anyone would object to the groups you cite comprising a
"scene" of some kind, just a slightly different (if somewhat
overlapping) one from the Black/Speed crew that Steve and I have
been rambling on about.  The latter falling fairly solidly
under the "downtown" jazz (or whatever) umbrella (that is, when they're
not playing Balkan music or drum'n'bass or...well, shit).  Whereas the
former (with the exception of Harriet Tubman) seem to come out of what I
guess I'll call an adventurous "songwriting" tradition.

Feel kind of like I might be making backwards progress here - and no one's
even mentioned alt.coffee yet.  Are you still on the list, Mr. Moran?
Decloak and tell us all to shut up or something...


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Date: Fri, 05 Jan 2001 14:19:48 -0500
From: [e-mail]
Subject: rumormongering

way i hear it, if the knit doesn't pay off some serious bills and show a
positive bank account by the end of this month, they're set to close the nyc
club. hollywood, however, is apparently turning a profit. this coming from,
well, a pretty good source, but i cannot attest to verity.

anyone else hearing anything else?

np: rashaan roland kirk - dog years in the fourth ring (disc 2)



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Date: Fri, 05 Jan 2001 14:28:05 EST
From: [e-mail]
Subject: OT - cd burner help

sorry for the off-topic post, but i know some of you can supply me with the
right information. please respond privately, though.

i know it's been discussed here before, but naturally, since it didn't apply
to me then, i didn't pay too close attention. i'd like to buy a cd burner,
and would like input from the ground up. cd-r vs. cd-rw. pros and cons to
each. any applicable software for burning cd to cd, or mp3 to cd etc. or
anything at all that you think might help me in this purchase and it's use.
thanks in advance.

dave

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Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2001 14:43:35 -0500
From: "Jim McLoughlin" <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: Autro Brooklynitos

Hi

Tom Benton says...
> I doubt anyone would object to the groups you cite comprising a
> "scene" of some kind, just a slightly different (if somewhat
> overlapping) one from the Black/Speed crew that Steve and I have
> been rambling on about.  The latter falling fairly solidly
> under the "downtown" jazz (or whatever) umbrella (that is, when they're
> not playing Balkan music or drum'n'bass or...well, shit).  Whereas the
> former (with the exception of Harriet Tubman) seem to come out of what I
> guess I'll call an adventurous "songwriting" tradition.

I would agree that the folks I mention are more oriented towards song
writing or poppier forms (Bloewdow, Liminal's drum'n'bass), though Bloedow
has spent time as guitarists in the lounge lizards, Blume plays with Uri
Caine and DJ Olive, and Perowsky is all over the downtown scene with Dave
Douglas, Zorn, Ribot, Medeski, etc.

I wasn't objecting to your and Steve's definition of the scene, just wanted
to provide a different angle.  There are probably other circles of players
we're both overlooking (maybe they are more traditional jazz).  My
perspective comes from who I've scene play in brooklyn, which doesn't
include the Black/Speed crew.  Not that there are many options - other than
the 3 steve koenig mentioned, I have only scene things in more irregular
venues - one time loft/street parties, etc.  (thanks Steve - I was aware of
those 3, and was looking for other places where some of these folks might
jam at after hours, if any).

Anyway, I'll shut up before we completely disembowel this NYCentric dead
horse...

JM

NP - Elliot Sharp's Terraplane: Blues for Next  (speaking of drum and bass,
Sim Cain lays down some wicked d'n'b beats on CD 2 of this record).


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Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2001 14:09:11 -0500
From: "Alan Lankin" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Zony Mash w/Frisell & Holcomb - 1/6/01 Seattle

Glad to hear that Robin Holcomb will be recording a new album.  Does anyone
know what label it will be on?

Thanks,

Alan Lankin
[e-mail]
http://jazzmatazz.home.att.net



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Date: Fri, 05 Jan 2001 14:57:43 EST
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: surprise of the day

>>"Trans-Europe Express" by Kraftwerk. Other examples >>of rock artists,
according to the list, are bob >>marley, parliament and miles davis. wow, i'm
a bigger >>rock fan than i thought

I'm glad to see the diversity in the list.  It reminds me of the book by
Chuck Eddy, "Stairway to Hell: the 500 greatest heavy metal albums" that
included similar artists.  His argument was that while some were not
technically heavy metal in style, they could appeal to metal fans.   Its the
same with the R&R Hall of Fame, would you really exclude James Brown cause
he's not technically r'n'r? (As a side note, it is a shame Black Sabbath has
been excluded so far)
Any way, Parliment was a rock band.

Jeff

Jeff


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Date: Fri, 05 Jan 2001 15:09:10 EST
From: [e-mail]
Subject: RE: Autro Brooklynitos

In a message dated Fri, 5 Jan 2001  2:39:39 PM Eastern Standard Time, "Jim
McLoughlin" <[e-mail]> writes:

>There are probably other circles of players
>we're both overlooking (maybe they are more
>traditional jazz).

Well, there's Steve Coleman's M-base folks (originally including Greg Osby,
Geri Allen, Cassandra Wilson et al) - are they still Brooklyn-based?

And how about a tip of the porkpie hat to what would have been my father's
Brooklyn jazz scene (if he'd been hip to his neighbors) - the Brownsville
beboppers Tiny Kahn, Sonny Berman, Red Rodney, I think Terry Gibbs, maybe Al
Cohn, others - not all born but at some point in the '40s based there.  Have
only heard bits of the story (and forgotten most of those), would love to
learn more.

(Note - this was also maybe the original radical *Jewish* jazz scene, so
perhaps does not stray too far from Zornish interests.)

David



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Date: Fri, 05 Jan 2001 15:56:05 -0500
From: Steve Smith <[e-mail]>
Subject: Ex-Officio Brooklynites [was Re: Autro Brooklynitos]

[e-mail] wrote:

> Well, there's Steve Coleman's M-base folks (originally including Greg Osby,
> Geri Allen, Cassandra Wilson et al) - are they still Brooklyn-based?

Greg might be.  Geri is in Montclair, NJ (with husband Wallace Roney, Oliver
Lake and numerous others - it's turning into yet another suburban music
enclave), Cassandra is in Manhattan, and Coleman lived in Allentown, PA for
many years before moving to Oakland, where he teaches at one of the schools in
the Bay Area.  Last I heard he was getting ready to spend a serious chunk of
time in India.

Of other M-Basers, Kelvyn Bell is in Manhattan, David Gilmore is still in
Brooklyn as far as I know, and new Coleman protege Ravi Coltrane just moved
there.  I think Jean-Paul Bourelly is in Europe.

Steve Smith
[e-mail]


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Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2001 13:52:53 -0800
From: "Benito Vergara" <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: Current 93

> -----Original Message-----
> From: [e-mail]
> [mailto:[e-mail]]On Behalf Of Ben Axelrad
> Sent: Thursday, January 04, 2001 11:05 AM

> I remember someone on this list mentioning that s/he was a Current 93
> completist.  I have Christ and the Pale Queens and want to buy 2
> more.  Can
> you or anyone else offer any suggestions? or of any similar artists, etc?

Probably off-topic -- I can't think of anyone connected to Tibet that has
even one degree of separation from Zorn, though there must be someone (maybe
Charlemagne Palestine?) -- but here goes:

As already written before, Current 93 has two fairly distinct phases in
its/his musical development;  "Christ and the Pale Queens Mighty in Sorrow"
kind of represents something in between the two. Most C93 fans would
probably steer you toward "Dogs Blood Rising," the masterpiece from C93's
early period -- demented choirs, loops of industrial noise,
Crowley-influenced lyrics, and Tibet's eerie declamations over it all.

As for his (stupidly-named) "apocalyptic folk" phase -- and yes, much of it
is half-Comus's "First Utterance," half-The Incredible String Band's "The
Hangman's Beautiful Daughter" -- the general favorite seems to be "Thunder
Perfect Mind." I hugely prefer "All the Pretty Horses" instead, which marks
his first collaboration with horror writer Thomas Ligotti. (Tibet's recent
work is somewhat too stripped down for my taste; much of the time is just
him accompanied by piano or harmonium. And if his voice and
poet-starving-in-a-garret lyrics can be a little irksome, well, his latest
work amplifies those even more.)

Later,
Ben

np: "the later lounge 2"

http://www.bigfoot.com/~bvergara
ICQ: 12832406


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Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2001 17:00:38 EST
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: Current 93

In a message dated 1/5/01 4:50:26 PM, [e-mail] writes:

<< I can't think of anyone connected to Tibet that has

even one degree of separation from Zorn, though there must be someone (maybe

Charlemagne Palestine?) >>

Nurse With Wound, as I recall, was one of the very few non-Tzadik artists
that Zorn suggested be placed in his new "experimental" section in major
record stores, a topic discussed in depth at the time here.

did anything ever result from that pamphlet/mini-manifesto that Zorn
released? anyone see any experimental sections crop up in record stores
because of it? just curious, I don't expect that it did.

Jon
www.erstwhilerecords.com

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Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2001 14:50:30 -0800 (PST)
From: Tom Gatzen <[e-mail]>
Subject: cool edit (no zorn content)

anyone here use it? if so does anyone know what is the
best way to take a 90 minute show and split up each
tune into mp3s instead of having one huge mp3 for the
whole show???

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Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2001 17:11:18 -0500
From: Joseph Zitt <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: cool edit (no zorn content)

On Fri, Jan 05, 2001 at 02:50:30PM -0800, Tom Gatzen wrote:
> anyone here use it? if so does anyone know what is the
> best way to take a 90 minute show and split up each
> tune into mp3s instead of having one huge mp3 for the
> whole show???

I use it a lot -- most of the MP3s at http://www.metatronpress.com/mp3/
were edited with CoolEdit (though mostly converted with MusicMatch).
Editing a show is a painstaking process, and I don't know of much of a
shortcut if you want to do it well.

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