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From: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com (Zorn List Digest)
To: zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com
Subject: Zorn List Digest V3 #229
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Zorn List Digest Thursday, January 4 2001 Volume 03 : Number 229
In this issue:
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Re: luigi
Re: j a deane
Re: apologies for weird link
DVD suggestion
suggestion request for california
Michael Bisio/Eyvind Kang MBEK
Re: Manhattan Research Inc. / Raymond Scott
RE: petsoundscharlietouchandgo
Looking for Keiji Haino cds on TAKUMA label
leonardo balada/james fei
Re: petsoundscharlietouchandgo
Re: Best of 2000
Re: petsoundscharlietouchandgo
Re: petsoundscharlietouchandgo
brian wilson's training
spaceways inc.
RE: spaceways inc.
2000 favorties
RE: more Suggestions
Re: suggestion request for california
Mosaic founder Charlie Lourie dead at 60
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Date: Wed, 03 Jan 2001 23:11:11 -0800
From: Jim Flannery <newgrange@sfo.com>
Subject: Re: luigi
"Caleb T. Deupree" wrote:
>
> One of his best tape works is Contrappunto dialettica alla mente from the old
> DGG avant-garde release, if you can track it down (I don't think it's been
> released on cd yet), a scary agglomeration of voices and electronics. I also
> like como una ola de fuerza y luz (like a wave of fire and light) for voice,
> orchestra, piano and tape, as well as ...sofferte onde serene... for piano
> and tape.
Oddly enough, those three compositions all appear on the very same remastered
CD, DGG 423 248-2, in uh, looks like 1988.
My favorite is the string quartet _Fragmente - Stille - an Diotima_, a
barely-there self-consuming memory-confounding piece verging on the
"lowercase-sound" a decade ahead of its time; there's a fine recording by the
Arditti Quartet. (There's also a feature-length film of the Arditti rehearsing
the piece, called something like _Quartet at the End of Time_ (help!?) which
would make a grand DVD release (hint, hint), really getting into the fine grain
of how music like this is performed, and how an "interpretation" is formed.)
- --
- --------------------------------------------------------------------------
Jim Flannery newgrange@sfo.com
"There are sounds which seem to pass through all the protective gates
in the ear and reach into some nerve where the eschatology is stored."
-- Norman Mailer
np: Claude Debussy, _String Quartet Op. 10_ (Orion Quartet)
nr: Winsor McKay, _Little Nemo in Slumberland_
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Date: Thu, 04 Jan 2001 09:06:24 +0100
From: "Andreas Dietz" <andreasdietz@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: j a deane
>From: Acousticlv@aol.com
>
>In a message dated 1/3/01 9:12:30 AM,:
><< does anybody know anything about this recording with Bill Frisell:
>ZERX 28 J.A.DEANE - These Times (rec. october 1988) >>
>
>dunno this one
>but definitely try the butch morris/deane/le quan ninh on fmp
thanks for the tip, but I have this cd since it was new - especially as I
had the luck to be a part of the audience where this fantastic cd was
made...
Andreas
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Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2001 09:12:25 +0100
From: "Robert van Heumen" <robertvanheumen@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: apologies for weird link
what do you mean? it's a great website! a lot of fun to visit, and to listen
some new stuff...
...r.o.b.b.i.e...d.i...h.e.u.m.o...
......<composer.of.electronic.music>...
......<software.&.website.developer>...
......<http://hardhatarea.com>...
...<recommended.listening>...
...<http://hardhatarea.com/recommended.htm>...
......<louis.andriessen...rosa.the.death.of.a.composer...2000>...
......<pimmon...assembler...2000>...
......<john.zorn...duras.duchamp...1997>...
- ----- Original Message -----
From: Scott Handley <thesubtlebody@yahoo.com>
To: Zorn-List <zorn-list@lists.xmission.com>
Sent: Thursday, January 04, 2001 12:08 AM
Subject: apologies for weird link
> Sorry everyone who visited the Naive site. I clearly
> was not far enough into the site to be linking folks.
> While I'm here grovelling, though, could anyone help
> me with some Nono recommendations? I'd be much
> obliged.
>
> ----s, smacking self on head
>
> __________________________________________________
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> -
>
>
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Date: Thu, 04 Jan 2001 00:50:19 -0800
From: Tosh <tosh@loop.com>
Subject: DVD suggestion
on 1/3/01 8:31 PM, Matt Laferty at bg60009@binghamton.edu wrote:
If not already, check out Tokyo Drifter.
>
>
>
> -
>
>
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Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2001 12:03:10 +0100 (MET)
From: Emmanouil Papagiannakis <papagian@nat.vu.nl>
Subject: suggestion request for california
dear californian friends,
I will be in CA for a couple of weeks, definitely in Ventura
from 14 to 19 January and then SF/SJ from 22 to 27 January.
I am interested in any live events (impro/jazz/weirdo stuff)
and a few nice addresses of CD/LP/Book stores (1st,2nd hand)
in SF.
Thanks in advance
manolis
- -----------------------------------------------------------
E. Papagiannakis
Vrije Universiteit Amsterdam tel: +31 20 4447934
Biophysics fax: +31 20 4447999
De Boelelaan 1081
1081 HV, Amsterdam
The Netherlands
- -----------------------------------------------------------
- -
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Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2001 23:46:17 +1030
From: "sinkas" <sinkas@camtech.net.au>
Subject: Michael Bisio/Eyvind Kang MBEK
Has anyone heard this album?
Meniscus Records.
MNSCS 005 Michael Bisio/Eyvind Kang MBEK
Recorded at Flora Avenue Studios, 27 November 1998.
Case
"Alma Matters"
- -
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Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2001 09:00:31 EST
From: TempoBlock@aol.com
Subject: Re: Manhattan Research Inc. / Raymond Scott
In a message dated 1/4/01 3:09:22 AM,
owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com writes:
>
>Reissues of 2000
>1.Raymond Scott - Manhattan Research (Basta)
Actually, this material was never released before, so even though it's
from the 1950s-60s, it technically isn't a 'reissue.'
THANKS!
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Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2001 08:09:29 -0600
From: Jay Mote <mote@augsburg.edu>
Subject: RE: petsoundscharlietouchandgo
Obvious,
Touch & Go: I'd have to say besides the Butthole Surfers, the Didgets get my
vote as the best band on the label (and they're native to Illini country -
Matoon, I believe). Everything they ever put out is worth gettin' (including
their numerous 45's)...maybe just not available. Albini is intense, but I've
never thought his music as noteworthy as the bands he incorporated onto the
label.
moter
www.hotheadfiasco.com
>on to another subject:
>does anyone else here really enjoy some of those wacky Touch&Go bands? early
>jesus lizard, big black, butthole surfers (hairway to steven is one of the
>most brilliant 80's records), rapeman....
>steve albini is a pretty intense character.
>
>just stuff i've been listening to...
>
>ben o.
>
>NP- They Might Be Giants.....excellent!!
- -
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Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2001 16:24:47 +0100
From: "Stefan Verstraeten" <stefan.annik@planetinternet.be>
Subject: Looking for Keiji Haino cds on TAKUMA label
Hello,
I am looking for two FUSHITSUSHA cds that came out on the japanese TAKUMA
label. Four cds were published, and I only could get my hands on:
- -TKCF-77014 (track one is called Just as I told you)
- -TKCF-77015 (track one is called Just before)
Two more cds were published on that label and I am currently looking for
them.
I tried several web-based ditributors, but they seem very hard to get,
although they are still in print.
What do I have in trade?
Signed (yes indeed, signed) copies of the following keiji haino solo cds
- -Keiji Haino on PSF label (PSFD-38)
- -Keiji Haino on TAKUMA label (TKCF-77016)
- -Execration that..... (forced exposure label)
- -Keiji Haino on DSA-label (CDSA 54029)
If you don't want to trade, I am also interested in buying your copy.
Please contact me off-list.
Best wishes,
Stefan Verstraeten
stefan.annik@planetinternet.be
- -
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Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2001 10:29:00 EST
From: Acousticlv@aol.com
Subject: leonardo balada/james fei
<< ssmith36@sprynet.com
NP - Leonardo Balada, 'Sardana,' Barcelona Sym/Aeschbacher (Naxos) -
answering my own query from earlier in the afternoon... so far not
particularly impressive...>>
hi steve,
stick with balada's amazing opera Maria Sabina, now CD'd on CRI.
About the mexican healer who was persecuted for her use of mushrooms.
Not just for druggies.
Some of his other works are good too, but Maria Sabina is the only required
disc.
steve koenig
n.p.: james fei: "for card reed and gated amplification"-- new 3" cd
- ---folks who love erstwhile discs (like me) should dig this shorty too
- -
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Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2001 11:03:33 -0500
From: Maurice Rickard <maurice@mac.com>
Subject: Re: petsoundscharlietouchandgo
ObviousEye@aol.com wrote:
does anyone else here really enjoy some of those wacky Touch&Go bands?
Oh, man. Silkworm are a current favorite (not wacky, but great songs
and playing). Particularly worth seeking out are their peak
quartet-era recordings with Joel R.L. Phelps (_In The West_ and
_Libertine_), but the new one (_Lifestyle_) has some real classics on
it.
Pittsburgh expatriates (and now not a band at all anymore) Don
Caballero (they put the rock in "math rock"). The latest one,
_American Don_, suffers from not having Mike Banfield on guitar
alongside Ian Williams, but it's still the Don. I'd recommend all of
the first three discs--_For Respect_, _2_, and _What Burns Never
Returns_. They're all different--the first was more heavy, the second
more, uh, experimental/noisy, and the third is both more complex and
poppier than the others, and is possibly my favorite.
Dirty Three--guitar, drums, and violin, deeply moving instrumental
music. The latest one (Whatever You Love, You Are) is a must-own, if
you're an emotional type.
Storm&Stress (see Don Caballero above, actually) is a sort of
free-form noodling that actually works (sometimes)! I like the first
one better than the latest, but I do appreciate JOR's and Jim Black's
contributions.
I'll second Steve's recommendation of the first Buttholes LP. I was
bereft when mine acquired a bad scratch (dropped it--damn!),
overjoyed to find a used CD to replace it.
Slint, of course, but I'm a sentimentalist. I'll never forget
hearing _Spiderland_ played in its entirety on college radio when it
first came out. Still a great disc, and McMahan's The For Carnation
can certainly build a mood, particularly on the new self-titled disc.
I'm very fond of Shellac, too. The new one (_1000 Hurts_) sounds
_great_, but...the lyrics are pretty bad (as in unconvincing,
embarrassing, could have used a couple more editing go-rounds). Fine
performances, though.
If we broaden the criteria to other T&G associated labels, there's
even more good stuff, but I've got work to do...
- --
Maurice Rickard
http://mauricerickard.com/
- -
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Date: Thu, 04 Jan 2001 17:23:46 +0100
From: "Andreas Dietz" <andreasdietz@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Best of 2000
>From: "Alastair Wilson" <wilsonah@hotmail.com>
>
>Instrument of 2000
>
>The Accordion. Obviously.
if you like this instrument - as I do - you should check out Kimmo Pohjonen
from Finland (if you haven┤t before). He┤s really fantastic and unique.
Andreas
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- -
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Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2001 11:26:02 EST
From: JonAbbey2@aol.com
Subject: Re: petsoundscharlietouchandgo
In a message dated 1/4/01 11:05:14 AM, maurice@mac.com writes:
<< Dirty Three--guitar, drums, and violin, deeply moving instrumental
music. The latest one (Whatever You Love, You Are) is a must-own, if
you're an emotional type. >>
I'm a big Dirty Three fan, and I'd actually recommend approaching them in
chronological order, the latest one last. they've gotten more subdued with
each release. I'd suggest beginning with the unbridled energy of Sad and
Dangerous (Poon Village).
Jon
www.erstwhilerecords.com
- -
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Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2001 11:41:47 -0500
From: Maurice Rickard <maurice@mac.com>
Subject: Re: petsoundscharlietouchandgo
At 11:26 AM -0500 1/4/01, JonAbbey2@aol.com wrote:
>
>I'm a big Dirty Three fan, and I'd actually recommend approaching them in
>chronological order, the latest one last. they've gotten more subdued with
>each release. I'd suggest beginning with the unbridled energy of Sad and
>Dangerous (Poon Village).
>
Good point, Jon. Somewhat related to the topic, there's a site that
has a lot of streaming videos of shows by many T&G and
related/similar bands, including Dirty Three, if you'd like to get a
(blurry, jerky) picture of their live shows. (It actually isn't so
bad, depending on connection speed...) Check out
http://www.supersphere.com/Club/Archive/
- --
Maurice Rickard
http://mauricerickard.com/
- -
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Date: Thu, 04 Jan 2001 09:31:22 -0800
From: "Martin Wisckol" <Martin_Wisckol@link.freedom.com>
Subject: brian wilson's training
a co-worker studied piano with the same lady who taught brian wilson as a
teenager. teacher sez he could pick up anything instantly by ear.... can't
speak to any training beyond that....
- -
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Date: Thu, 04 Jan 2001 09:32:49 -0800
From: "Martin Wisckol" <Martin_Wisckol@link.freedom.com>
Subject: spaceways inc.
any other comments on this vandermark et al CD of clinton and sun ra
tunes? money well spent?
- -
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Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2001 12:54:16 -0500
From: "Jim McLoughlin" <jim@intelligenesis.net>
Subject: RE: spaceways inc.
Shit! This CD keeps creeping on me. Great contrast of Ra and P/Funkadelic.
I'm continually blown away by Hamid Drake's drumming. I've heard him in
looser contexts (with William Parker), but never in such a swinging/grooving
setting.
Along those lines, anyone have more grooving Drake recomendations?
cheers
JM
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-zorn-list@lists.xmission.com
> [mailto:owner-zorn-list@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Martin Wisckol
> Sent: Thursday, January 04, 2001 12:33 PM
> To: zorn-list@lists.xmission.com
> Subject: spaceways inc.
>
>
> any other comments on this vandermark et al CD of clinton and sun ra
> tunes? money well spent?
>
>
> -
>
- -
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Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2001 11:28:49 -0700
From: "Matthew W Wirzbicki (S)" <M_WIRZBICKI@ColoradoCollege.edu>
Subject: 2000 favorties
late and entirely incomplete - but I won't bother to complete it.
a few are from 99.
in no particular order:
Rowe/Mueller/Sugimoto - The world Turned Upside down (erstwhile)
Dafeldecker/Kurzmann/Fennesz/O'rourke/drumm/siewart - self titled
(Charhizma)
Stagl/Kurzmann - Schnee (erstwhile)
Stangl - Recital (durian)
Parker/Rowe - Dark Rags (Potlatch)
Mueller/Ninh - La Voyelle Liquide (erstwhile)
Mueller/Sugimoto - I am happy if you are happy (For4Ears)
Drumm/Sugimoto - Den (sonoris)
Otomo/Voice Crack - Bits Bolts and Signs (erstwhile)
Vladislav Delay - entain (Mille Plateaux)
Kevin Drumm - second (perdition plastics)
Such - the issue at hand (matchless)
coming in the mail:
Morton Feldman "ALL PIANO" 4cd london hall (performed by John Tilbury)
Xenakis "persepolis" Fractal
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Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2001 11:00:28 -0700
From: "Matthew W Wirzbicki (S)" <M_WIRZBICKI@ColoradoCollege.edu>
Subject: RE: more Suggestions
some things other people have mentioned have caused a few more recordings to
spring to mind:
Ned Rothenberg Double Band (w/jim black, billy martin, marty erlich, chris
wood, and jerome harris (?) - i think)
Erik Friedlander "the Watchman" on Tzadik. I guess it's "chamber jazz" - in
any event I still enjoy listening to this recording. I think it's certainly
a complete *album*.
fred frith - "guitar solos"
ohh and no frisell collection is complete without "live" w/joey baron and
Kermit Driscoll.
that Mario Pavone guy ain't too bad either.
This seems like an appropriate time to thank the list for recommending the
Eskelin recording "the sun died" w/Marc Ribot and Kenny Wolleson on Soul
Note. (liners by John Corbett) Pretty strait ahead in a way but I really
like it.
Matt Wirzbicki
ohh - just my $.02 but if you go the MMW route stick with "Notes from the
Udnerground" "it's a jungle in here" and then maybe "friday afternoon in the
universe."
- -
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Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2001 13:49:14 EST
From: Fastian@aol.com
Subject: Re: suggestion request for california
>>dear californian friends,
I will be in CA for a couple of weeks, definitely in Ventura
from 14 to 19 January and then SF/SJ from 22 to 27 January.
I am interested in any live events (impro/jazz/weirdo stuff)
and a few nice addresses of CD/LP/Book stores (1st,2nd hand)
in SF.
Thanks in advance
manolis>>
Thursday, Jan 25 2001 8:00 PM
Luggage Store Gallery
1007 Market Street
Upstairs (2nd Floor)
San Francisco CA
8pm Thomas Dumuzio, solo electronics
Experimental musical forms such as musique concrete and electro-acoustic, as
well as more current ambient-industrial and post-techno styles.
9pm Tom Heasley, solo tuba
New work for tuba with FX processing and loop sampler.
- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
- --
Saturday, Jan 27 2001 8:00 PM
New Langton Arts
1246 Folsom Street
San Francisco CA
Kazue Sawai Koto live in San Francisco
with
Carl Stone(computer) Shoko Hikage(koto) Noriko Tsuboi(koto from Japan)
Shirley Muramoto(koto) Michiyo Koga(koto) Tamie Kooyenga(koto)
415(626)5416
New Langton Arts
Tickets $10, $8
That's a couple things I lifted from www.bayimproviser.com. Check the Bay
Guardian weekly when you get into town for more complete happenings. For cds,
as its been probably said here many times before, Amoeba. One on Haight St.
in SF and one on Telegraph in Berkeley. After you leave these, you'll be
broke and won't have to worry about going anywhere else. Codys and Moes,
both across the street from Amoeba on Telegraph, are really good bookstores.
Enjoy!
John Threadgould
- -
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Date: Thu, 04 Jan 2001 13:50:09 -0500
From: kurt_gottschalk@scni.com
Subject: Mosaic founder Charlie Lourie dead at 60
Founder of highbrow jazz label, 60
rhnytsta
STAMFORD, Conn. (AP) - Charlie Lourie, a founder of the sophisticated jazz
recording label Mosaic, died Dec. 31 of heart failure, his family said. He was
60.
Mosaic, founded 17 years ago by Lourie and Michael Cuscuna, produces CD and
vinyl record reissues of noted jazz performances, usually in limited editions
prized by serious fans of the genre.
Mosaic productions, sold only by mail, have ranged from a double-CD set of Don
Cherry recordings to an 18-disk set of recordings by Nat "King" Cole. The sets
are accompanied by lengthy essays by jazz critics and historians.
Lourie was born in Boston and attended the New England Conservatory, working
with jazz and classical groups in the Boston area in the 1960s.
After stints with the Columbia, Blue Note and Warner labels, he and Cuscuna
established Mosaic in Santa Monica, Calif., in 1983.
Lourie moved to Stamford in 1985. He is survived by a son, David, and a
daughter, Sarah.
Funeral services were Wednesday.
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