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Subject: Zorn List Digest V3 #222
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Zorn List Digest Tuesday, January 2 2001 Volume 03 : Number 222
In this issue:
-
Songs-cd by Bailey and Keiji Haino
MJZC: Zony Mash w/Frisell & Holcomb - 1/6/01 Seattle
Re: Sonny Clark Memorial Quartet
Re: Guns and Roses
Re: Sonny Clark Memorial Quartet
Suggestions?
RE: (was Betty Davis) Virginia Rodriguez
Re: Arcana
Re: sun ra Web sites
Sonny Clark Mem'l Quartet
so where does arthur fiedler fit in?
Re: Speaking of Roxy Music... | Dean Roberts
Re: Gen. Will. Booth gets on in
Re: Sonny Clark Memorial Quartet
Re: Speaking of Eno
Re: Suggestions?
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Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2001 14:58:17 +0100
From: "Stefan Verstraeten" <stefan.annik@planetinternet.be>
Subject: Songs-cd by Bailey and Keiji Haino
Hello,
Someone on this list gave his 2% on the new cd by the Joseph Holbrooke
98-cd.
But another cd was also published on the INCUS label.... the cd SONGS by
Bailey and Keiji Haino.
Anyway, the cd consists of 16 songs ranging from 52 seconds till 5.22
minutes. Derek plays guitar and Haino only sings.
How does these two match? Well, on 90% of the tracks, Derek plays electric
guitar. But this time he does not play that typical sharp metallic cluster
style thing. His sound contains a lot of distortion and controlled feedback
wich he uses to create soundscapes and not singular notes. It is great to
hear these soundwaves swell and burst into metal-explosions and calm down
slowly again (derek only starts "picking notes" when Haino expresses anger
or aggression in his voice). Keiji Haino on the other hand only sings on top
of it. Although, singing..... In his screams, sighs, shouts words, phrases,
??? All of it in japanese off course.
It is difficult to say if this material is composed, improvised or made by
ways of improvised composition. I sent an email to derek for the answer, and
will forward it to the zornlist.
Anyway, if you are a collector of derek bailey or haino (hello David
Keffer), I would go for it, but it is no good cd for introduction to these
artists. IMHO, the reason for this is the voice of keiji haino. I don't know
if this is purpose or not, but haino just don't keep tone and sometimes it
is really "challenging" for the listener. The duo guitar cd by haino and
bailey was a lot better.
But hey, I admit it, I am not a great fan of the singing of keiji haino, so
it would be great if a haino fan listens to this cd as well and gives his
opinion.
Best wishes,
Stefan Verstraeten
stefan.annik@planetinternet.be
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Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2001 06:23:59 -0800
From: "James Kirchmer" <jamesk@telisphere.com>
Subject: MJZC: Zony Mash w/Frisell & Holcomb - 1/6/01 Seattle
Hi folks - Happy New Year from the Northwest USA!
("MJZC" = Marginal John Zorn content, btw ;)
I write today to help get the word out about a mighty fine
(and somewhat underpublicized) show coming up here in
Seattle. Basically, Wayne Horvitz and Zony Mash are
getting ready to record a follow up to their outstanding
"American Bandstand" release. (www.songlines.com)
Robin Holcomb (Wayne's wife, btw) is also set to return to
the studio after a prolonged absence. So they've joined
forces for a "warmup" show of sorts. Expect to hear *lots*
of new tunes as these fine musicians prep for what
promises to be a great new year. Here's the scoop:
* Jan. 6th, at the Tractor Tavern (www.tractortavern.com)
* 9pm show - $12 cover. Adv. tickets are available through
Ticketweb (link via the club site).
The evening will unfold as follows:
1st Set:
WAYNE HORVITZ - "AMERICAN BANDSTAND"
With members of Zony Mash, an all acoustic set featuring
mostly new compositions - for their upcoming follow up to
"American Bandstand"
-> Wayne Horvitz - Piano
-> Tim Young - Guitar
-> Keith Lowe - Acoustic Bass
-> Andy Roth - Drums
2nd Set:
THE ROBIN HOLCOMB BAND w/BILL FRISELL!
A final concert before going into the studio to record her
first new CD in years.... (check out her profile at Allmusic
for the big picture, via, what else, www.allmusic.com ....)
-> Robin Holcomb - Piano and Voice
-> Bill Frisell - Guitar
-> Wayne Horvitz - Hammond B-3
-> Tim Young - Guitar
-> Keith Lowe - Bass
-> Andy Roth - Drums
~ Ciao Ciao Ciao Ciao Ciao ~
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
James L. Kirchmer
Seattle, WA, U.S.A.
* Yea Huskies! da P10 rulz! *
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
"My kids can do whatever they
want as long as they are not
Republicans or junkies..." -
- - Steven Bernstein, arranger &
slide-trumpeter for SEX MOB
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
- -
------------------------------
Date: Tue, 02 Jan 2001 17:12:42 +0100
From: "Andreas Dietz" <andreasdietz@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Sonny Clark Memorial Quartet
>From: User384726@aol.com
>
>I recently purchased this album, Voodoo, and have mixed feelings about it.
>This album is a bunch of Sonny Clark tunes played by Ray Drummond (bass),
>Horwitz, Zorn, and Previte. The album is very straight ahead both in terms
>of playing and arranging. While there still are the occasional squeaks and
>squeals most of the album is very normal (especially considering the
>musicians). It at times almost feels like the musician are being
>restrained.
> But there is definitely some amazing playing on this album. I do prefer
>the
>Lulu albums or Masada, as far a Jazz albums go, to this but maybe I'm not
>hearing it right. What did the rest of you think of this album?
I think it┤s very good, though not Zorn┤s but Horvitz┤s album. I would love
to hear some new Zorn stuff in this vein.
Other Zorn goes bebop recommendations:
Deadly Weapons (1986, /w Steve Beresford)
Blue Planet Man (1993, /w Big John Patton)
Andreas
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Date: Tue, 02 Jan 2001 12:04:19 -0500
From: Steve Smith <ssmith36@sprynet.com>
Subject: Re: Guns and Roses
Toula Ballas wrote:
> The new Gun's and Roses lineup jammed at Mandalay Bay Casino in Vegas last
> night. New Members include: Brain and
> Buckethead amongst a few others I don't recognize and coudn't remember.
Robin Finck and Tommy Stinson were among the others. Here's a curious review
from the New York Times:
http://www.nytimes.com/2001/01/02/arts/02ROSE.html
Steve Smith
ssmith36@sprynet.com
NP - Kip Hanrahan, "What Is This Dance Anyway?" 'Desire Develops an Edge'
(American Clave)
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Date: Tue, 02 Jan 2001 12:10:14 -0500
From: Steve Smith <ssmith36@sprynet.com>
Subject: Re: Sonny Clark Memorial Quartet
Andreas Dietz wrote:
> Other Zorn goes bebop recommendations:
>
> Deadly Weapons (1986, /w Steve Beresford)
> Blue Planet Man (1993, /w Big John Patton)
And one more:
John Patton, 'Minor Swing,' DIW CD 896 (1995) - with Ed Cherry, guitar, and
Kenny Wollesen, drums
Steve Smith
ssmith36@sprynet.com
NP - Kip Hanrahan, "Two (Still in Half-Light)," 'Desire Develops an Edge'
(American Clave)
- -
------------------------------
Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2001 09:18:27 -0800 (PST)
From: Theo Klaase <river_of_dogs@yahoo.com>
Subject: Suggestions?
I'm writing because I'm sure I can get some great
suggestions from folks on this list. I'm currently
out of ideas for CD's to buy. I've got all the Zorn
albums, all the Frisell albums, Pigpen, Zony Mash, a
bit of this and a bit of that... My favorites are
listed below... If you have an album that is simular
to one of these, please notify me so I can check it
out. Doesn't matter who the artist is...
Thanks!
- -Bill Frisell
Is that You
Before we were born
Gone, just like a train
Good dog, Happy man
Where in the world
- -John Zorn
all the Naked City, Pain killer and Masada
releases
Spillane/Godard
etc.
- -James Carter
Layin' in the cut
- -Marc Ribot
the Cubanos stuff mostly...
- -Bobby Previte
Latin for Travelers
- -Joey Baron
We'll soon find out and Down home
- -Joshua Redman
Beyond and Freedom in the Groove
- -Mike Stern
Play (what's the other stuff like?)
- -Ginger Baker Trio
both albums
- -Charlie Hunter
almost everything
- -Wes Montgomery
- -
=====
- -That which is Theodorus "Good bye sober day, hello milky way..."www.freeyellow.com/members7/theodorus/index.html
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Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2001 14:27:38 -0300
From: Linares Hugo <hulinare@bemberg.com.ar>
Subject: RE: (was Betty Davis) Virginia Rodriguez
> << Anyway, this same friend was pushing Joe Meeks and an album by Milton
>
> Nascimento called Clube De Esquina. >>
>
> your friend has good taste. the Nascimento is one of my favorite Brazilian
>
> records, easily the best thing I've heard from him.
>
> happy New Year, everyone!
>
> Jon
> www.erstwhilerecords.com
[Linares Hugo]
Talking about Brazilians I was quite surprised with Virginia
Rodriguez's "Nos" (Hannibal). Great voice, fine string arrangements and
Caetano Veloso guest in a couple of tracks.
And track 4, "Afriquete", a truly fine "hit single".
Pretty nice gem, by the way.
Just my tip.
Hugo Linares
>
>
>
- -
------------------------------
Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2001 12:43:27 EST
From: RKwityn@aol.com
Subject: Re: Arcana
Whats up all,
<<I've just begun reading Arcana:musicians on music, and i find it to be
very
interesting. >>
Oooooohhhhhhh......sorry for my ignorance....but Ive never heard of
this....Im new to the list so if you guys have discussed this before sorry
for brining it up....but can anyone tell me where to get this?????? Its
sounds very interesting.
- -Ed
- -
------------------------------
Date: Tue, 02 Jan 2001 12:35:22 -0600
From: Moudry <Moudry@uab.edu>
Subject: Re: sun ra Web sites
At 17:11 01-01-01 -0500, you wrote:
>Periodically we get questions about Sun Ra. I stumbled across an article
>that presents an okay overview of his work at
>http://www.nypress.com/content.cfm?content_id=3346&now=12/28/2000&content_se
>ction=2
>
>--
>Caleb Deupree
>cdeupree@erinet.com
><snip!>
Or, interested parties could visit my Web site (Sun Ra, the Arkestra, &
Free Jazz) at:
<http://www.dpo.uab.edu/~moudry/>
Saturnally,
Joe Moudry
Office of Academic Computing & Technology
School of Education, The University of Alabama @ Birmingham
Master of Saturn Web (Sun Ra, the Arkestra, & Free Jazz):
<http://www.dpo.uab.edu/~moudry>
Producer/Host of Classic Jazz & Creativ Improv on Alabama Public Radio:
WUAL 91.5FM Tuscaloosa/Birmingham
WQPR 88.7FM Muscle Shoals/NW Alabama
WAPR 88.3FM Selma/Montgomery/Southern Alabama
- -
------------------------------
Date: Tue, 02 Jan 2001 18:49:10
From: "William York" <william_york@hotmail.com>
Subject: Sonny Clark Mem'l Quartet
>This album is a bunch of Sonny Clark tunes played by Ray Drummond (bass),
>Horwitz, Zorn, and Previte. The album is very straight ahead both in
> >terms of playing and arranging. While there still are the occasional
> >squeaks and squeals most of the album is very normal (especially
> >considering the musicians). It at times almost feels like the musician
> >are being restrained. But there is definitely some amazing playing on
> >this album. I do prefer the Lulu albums or Masada, as far a Jazz >albums
>go, to this but maybe I'm not hearing it right. What did the >rest of you
>think of this album?
I really like this one, probably more than the News for Lule albums. As for
"hearing it right," I guess if you don't like it, you just don't like it --
that's hearing it right by my defnition... But I don't think they are
necessarrily restrained, maybe just a little more subtle. If you listen to
the original versions (which I also like a lot) you can see that there are
plenty of differences in the way they are playing. Not very insightful words
on my part, but anyway, hope this helps..
WY
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- -
------------------------------
Date: Tue, 02 Jan 2001 14:11:35 -0500
From: kurt_gottschalk@scni.com
Subject: so where does arthur fiedler fit in?
happy new year, all!
kg
A Dementia Link to Pop Music?
(c) 2001, The Washington Post
A person who abandons a taste for classical music in favor of pop may be
suffering from dementia. This does not mean, as parents have been wont to
allege, that a liking for pop music implies brain dysfunction.
A team of Italian researchers reported that two patients with fronto-temporal
dementia suddenly changed lifelong listening habits. Their study was reported in
the most recent issue of the journal Neurology.
One patient, a 68-year-old lawyer developing progressive apathy, loss of
inhibition, judgment, speaking and thinking skills, began to listen to Italian
pop music at full volume about two years after his diagnosis. Before his
illness, he was a classical-music listener who referred to pop as "mere noise."
A second patient, a 73-year-old woman who seldom listened to music, suddenly
developed a taste for pop tunes supplied by her 11-year-old granddaughter.
Team leader Giovanni Frisoni suggested that changes of taste may have occurred
because the patients' right frontal lobe, which manages novelty, may have
assumed predominance, or because damage to the brain's frontal and temporal
lobes may have changed the perception of pitch, timbre and rhythm. Frisoni
added, however, that the study was not meant to imply pop-music listeners have
brain damage.
- -
------------------------------
Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2001 19:21:16 +0000
From: dan hill <dan@state51.co.uk>
Subject: Re: Speaking of Roxy Music... | Dean Roberts
hi all (happy new year!)
good to see the (as usual excellent) summary of the early roxy and
eno gems here. and on a related note, after savouring jon abbey's
'pick of the year', i finally got my ass in gear to track down the
dean roberts album ("dean roberts and the black moths play the grand
cinema", on ritornell) ... and it is (as jon has mentioned before) an
absolute killer. it easily muscles its way into my revised top 10,
even given a handful of recent listenings.
i say this is a 'related' note, as it features a cover or
re-interpretation of eno's "cindy tells me", which is utterly
brilliant.
the whole album got me thinking about how my favourite
glitch-influenced projects, or many of the successful recent
improv/electronica releases, are actually very 'acoustic' ... dean
roberts' music lives and breathes for sure, drawing on a rich
unpredictability of recorded sound - as does nick zammuto's work, as
does pimmon's, as does fenn'o'berg's ... they all work acoustic
instruments (or other 'noise-makers') electronically, or vice versa
(as opposed to the austere 'purity' of much other electronica, or
heavily electronic music, or more traditonal improv settings) ... and
it strikes me that there is a link back to eno's early pop/ambient
albums, with their essentially experimental collision of pop/rock
instruments/forms with then generally avant-garde technique, form,
and devices (electronics, tapes, textures, etc.) ... i'd guess that
roberts is looking back at these albums in order to find his own way
forward ... and it works brilliantly.
cheers,
dan.
ps. (un)interesting fact #3897: as part of my 'day job', i design
bryan ferry's official website (!). http://bryanferry.com/ ... i'm
not that pleased with it as a piece of work (several conflicting
interests involved, as is often the case with this 'strata' of the
industry), but it's kinda bizarre to see you guys talking about him
here. those early roxy albums are pretty peerless (as are the early
eno's of course), and i can report that the man himself is a very
nice chap.
- --
|||| dan hill [state51]
|||| new reviews on motion [2.1.2001]:
|||| mark springer | microstoria | jonathan coleclough | techno
animal vs dalek | koch-sch=FCtz-studer plus dj m. singe & dj i-sound |
fingathing | dan senn
|||| http://motion.state51.co.uk/
- -
------------------------------
Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2001 14:33:38 -0500 (EST)
From: Matt Moran <moran@staff.juno.com>
Subject: Re: Gen. Will. Booth gets on in
Aaron,
By far the best piano/voice version I've heard is with a female singer,
Helen Boatwright and a male pianist, John Kirkpatrick. It's available on
CRI; it was the first recording of Ives songs ever released. They worked
with Ives on these tunes, and you can hear it -- they've got great spirit
and clarity, which is hard to find on Ives recordings (but check out the
Orpheus Chamber Orchestra!).
- -matt
- ------------------------------
Date: Sat, 30 Dec 2000 21:03:03 EST
From: User384726@aol.com
Subject: Sonny Clark Memorial Quartet(zorn content)/Ives
- - --part1_24.f260a88.277fedd7_boundary
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
<snip>
Also I would like to know if anyone could help me find a specific
recording of Charles Ives's "General William Booth Enters Into Heaven"
with a female singer. I only have the version from the Complete Songs set
and this older recording (possibly only on vinyl) is far more hilarious.
I'm sorry I couldn't be more specific. Thanks for any help.
Happy New Year,
Aaron Solomon
- -
------------------------------
Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2001 15:48:12 EST
From: JonAbbey2@aol.com
Subject: Re: Sonny Clark Memorial Quartet
In a message dated 1/2/01 12:11:35 PM, ssmith36@sprynet.com writes:
<< And one more:
John Patton, 'Minor Swing,' DIW CD 896 (1995) - with Ed Cherry, guitar, and
Kenny Wollesen, drums >>
great organ combo, this was always my favorite of Zorn's straighter jazz
records. I recall seeing Zorn and Patton play a concert in the bar downstairs
in the Knit that was pretty cookin', if you'll pardon the expression.
Jon
www.erstwhilerecords.com
- -
------------------------------
Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2001 12:50:28 -0800
From: "s~Z" <keith@pfmentum.com>
Subject: Re: Speaking of Eno
Don't miss:
_My Life In The Bush Of Ghosts_ with David Byrne
_Remain In Light_ with Talking Heads
_Heroes_ with David Bowie
- -
------------------------------
Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2001 16:31:27 EST
From: Samerivertwice@aol.com
Subject: Re: Suggestions?
Based on your albums below, I'd suggest you go out and buy some Lounge
Lizards stuff. In my humble opinion, every stage of their career is of
interest. If you like live albums, "Live in Berlin Vol. 1 & 2" are
indispensible. "Voice of Chunk" and "No Pain For Cakes" are both funky,
infectious, and somewhat adventurous.
I'd also suggest you pick up some Dave Douglas immediately, especially his
trio of "string" discs -- "Five," "Convergence," and "Parallel Worlds."
"Charms of the Night Sky" is subtler than the discs above and features
hypnotic accordion from Guy Klucevsek. Hell, everything from Douglas has
been pure joy for my ears.
Ned Rothenberg's "Powerlines" album is absolutely brilliant.
I'd also recommend Don Byron ("Bug Music"), Myra Melford ("Same River Twice"
and "Alive in the House of Saints"), Pachora ("Ast" and "Unn"), John Lindberg
("Bounce"), New & Used, copious amounts of Coltrane, Miles Davis's Complete
Quintet Recordings, Ornette Coleman's "Shape of Jazz To Come," and Uri
Caine's "Toys."
That's just off the top of my head,
Tom
In a message dated 1/2/01 12:19:38 PM Eastern Standard Time,
river_of_dogs@yahoo.com writes:
<< I'm writing because I'm sure I can get some great
suggestions from folks on this list. I'm currently
out of ideas for CD's to buy. I've got all the Zorn
albums, all the Frisell albums, Pigpen, Zony Mash, a
bit of this and a bit of that... My favorites are
listed below... If you have an album that is simular
to one of these, please notify me so I can check it
out. Doesn't matter who the artist is...
Thanks!
-Bill Frisell
Is that You
Before we were born
Gone, just like a train
Good dog, Happy man
Where in the world
-John Zorn
all the Naked City, Pain killer and Masada
releases
Spillane/Godard
etc.
-James Carter
Layin' in the cut
-Marc Ribot
the Cubanos stuff mostly...
-Bobby Previte
Latin for Travelers
-Joey Baron
We'll soon find out and Down home
-Joshua Redman
Beyond and Freedom in the Groove
-Mike Stern
Play (what's the other stuff like?)
-Ginger Baker Trio
both albums
-Charlie Hunter
almost everything
-Wes Montgomery >>
________________________________________________
The dignity of art appears to the greatest advantage
perhaps in music, because that art contains no material
to be deducted. It is wholly form and intrinsic value,
and it elevates and ennobles everything which it expresses.
--Johann Wolfgang Von Goethe
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