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Zorn List Digest      Thursday, December 14 2000      Volume 03 : Number 198



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       Re:Blind Willie -infirmities of blues singers
       Re: monk
       Re: Re:Blind Willie -infirmities of blues singers
       Re:monk
       Re: monk
       Re: Re:Blind Willie -infirmities of blues singers
       new charizmha cd
       Re: monk
       Re: new charizmha cd
       Re: Blind Willie -infirmities of blues singers
       Bobby Previte
       Re:Blind Willie -infirmities of blues singers
       Re: bill laswell
       Frank Zappa (No Zorn Content)
       Masada in Europe next fall
       Re: Frank Zappa (No Zorn Content)
       Re: Frank Zappa (No Zorn Content)
       Re: Frank Zappa (No Zorn Content)
       Re: Frank Zappa (No Zorn Content)
       Re: Frank Zappa (No Zorn Content)
       Re: Bobby Previte

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Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 13:00:34 -0500
From: David Beardsley <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re:Blind Willie -infirmities of blues singers

[e-mail] writes:

> Blind Willie Johnson is amazing, by the way, for anyone who hasn't heard him.
> up there with Skip James, Howlin' Wolf and Muddy Waters in my personal
> pantheon of blues musicians. get the remastered double CD on Columbia/Legacy,
> though, not the individual ones on Yazoo which are very hard to listen to
> with all of the surface noise.

Hi Jon,

I'll second that. Simply amazing.


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Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 13:26:25 -0500 (EST)
From: Adam Taylor Tierney <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: monk

On Wed, 13 Dec 2000, Philippe Dupuis wrote:

> hey,
>
> i saw a documentary on thelonius monk a while back, it was in
> black and white and very grainy. in it monk is sitting down by
> a piano being interviewed and the guy asks him why he still
> has his coat on ... monk points to the piano's label design and
> it says WINTER.
>
> now, i've just seen a monk film called straight no chaser in a
> magazin at the video store where i work ... is it the same film?
>
> i want to order it if it is.
>
> thanks,
> martin
>
> p.s. can anyone comment on the films of maya deren, what are they
> like? her husband did the film scores, he has an album on tzadik
> called KING UBU.
>
> -
>
>

I'm not sure whether that scene's in it, because it's been a while since
I've seen the film, but "Straight No Chaser" is a documentary about monk
produced by Clint Eastwood and directed by Charlotte Zwerin. It's mostly
just rare footage of Monk in concert and in private with a little
biographical material, and as a result is primarily in grainy black and
white, so it's probably the movie you saw.

- --Adam Tierney


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Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 19:06:08 +0100
From: "Francesco Martinelli" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Re:Blind Willie -infirmities of blues singers

> Blind Willie Johnson
> Blind Willie McTell
> Blind Boy Fuller
> Blind Sonny Terry
> Blind Lemon Jefferson
> Blind Blake
> Blind Gary Davis
> Cripple Clarence Lofton
> Peg Leg Howell
>

You're forgetting perhaps the greatest, Blind Orange Washington, whose
obituary was a masterpiece of music research.
Francesco



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Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 18:29:54 +0000 (GMT)
From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Peter=20Marsh?= <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re:monk

tosh wrote:

>Hi,
>First of all didn't the Kink's Ray Davies do a
documentary on Monk?

no, he did one on one Mingus. "weird Nightmare', and
it was basically a documentary of the making of  the
Hal Willner curated  tribute record. Worth seing
though.

cheers

Peter

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Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 13:32:00 EST
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: monk

In a message dated 12/13/00 1:30:23 PM Eastern Standard Time,
[e-mail] writes:

<< no, he did one on one Mingus. "weird Nightmare', and
 it was basically a documentary of the making of  the
 Hal Willner curated  tribute record. Worth seing
 though.

 cheers

 Peter >>


Is this available anywhere?  All I have is an excerpt of Elvis Costello's
contribution.

Curious,
tom

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Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 13:54:14 -0500 (EST)
From: Ken Waxman <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Re:Blind Willie -infirmities of blues singers

My goodness Francesco:

This must be a recent passing. He's still listed as
proofreader in the December issue of Cadence.

Was it citricide?

On a related matter what's this I hear about a new
conductor, Sordo Mellone E. Prosciutto, taking over
the arrangements and musical direction of the Italian
Instabile?

Ken

- --- Francesco Martinelli <[e-mail]> wrote:
>
> > Blind Willie Johnson
> > Blind Willie McTell
> > Blind Boy Fuller
> > Blind Sonny Terry
> > Blind Lemon Jefferson
> > Blind Blake
> > Blind Gary Davis
> > Cripple Clarence Lofton
> > Peg Leg Howell
> >
>
> You're forgetting perhaps the greatest, Blind Orange
> Washington, whose
> obituary was a masterpiece of music research.
> Francesco
>
>


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Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 14:43:24 -0600
From: "Ben Axelrad" <[e-mail]>
Subject: new charizmha cd

Hi,

I'm busy making mental lists of my post-Holidays purchases.  Has anyone
heard the following release?  Any ideas about US distribution, release date?

Thanks,
Ben



Dieb 13
Dieb 13, turntables.

Formlos (30.51)
Restructuring (35.38)
Track 1 recorded on 3 October 1999 at Musikprotokoll; track 2 recorded at
Sperrmuell-Studio, Vienna in August 2000.
The artwork on this CD (front cover reproduced above) is open content.

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Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 17:26:46 +0100
From: Tim Blechmann <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: monk

I've seen STRAIGHT NO CHASER several years ago, so I don't remember it
exactly. But I think it was a documentary containing a few concert
excerpts, small interviews and so on.
But I can't remember the scene that you explained.

It might help you that Clint Eastwood produced this film and I suppose
it's not very old. (About ten years???)

PEACE

 Tim                            mailto:[e-mail]



Wednesday, December 13, 2000, 9:02:02 AM, you wrote:

Philippe> hey,

Philippe> i saw a documentary on thelonius monk a while back, it was in
Philippe> black and white and very grainy. in it monk is sitting down by
Philippe> a piano being interviewed and the guy asks him why he still
Philippe> has his coat on ... monk points to the piano's label design and
Philippe> it says WINTER.

Philippe> now, i've just seen a monk film called straight no chaser in a
Philippe> magazin at the video store where i work ... is it the same film?

Philippe> i want to order it if it is.

Philippe> thanks,
Philippe> martin

Philippe> p.s. can anyone comment on the films of maya deren, what are they
Philippe> like? her husband did the film scores, he has an album on tzadik
Philippe> called KING UBU.

Philippe> -



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Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 16:05:29 EST
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: new charizmha cd

In a message dated 12/13/00 3:45:09 PM, [e-mail] writes:

<< Has anyone
heard the following release?  Any ideas about US distribution, release date?

Dieb 13
Dieb 13, turntables.>>

I just got a copy of this and the other new Charhizma release, Andrea
Neumann/Annette Krebs, while I was in Vienna. the dieb 13 is pretty good,
crackly, abstract turntablism. one of the pieces is live, and the other was
worked on at home with dub plates. his trio show with the two bassists of
Printer was my favorite set over the weekend. (I haven't filed a full
festival report here, by the way, because I'm reviewing it for the Wire.)

as for US distribution and release date, it's out now in Europe, so whenever
Christof Kurzmann motivates to get copies to Dutch East India, it'll be
available here. I talked to him about this over the weekend, so hopefully
soon.

Jon
www.erstwhilerecords.com

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Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 17:32:11 -0500
From: Matt Laferty <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Blind Willie -infirmities of blues singers

for a lark and one of my biggest obsessions:

Blind Norris
Doc Watson
Two members of the Skillet Lickers were disabled:  Riley Puckett
(blind), & Lowe Stokes (lost his arm)
Blind Joe Reynolds
Blind Alfred Reed
Blind Willie Davis
Blind Mamie Forehand
Blind Joe Taggart
Blind Roosevelt Graves

All of the latter can be found on Revenent's American Primitive Vol. 1
cd compiled and notes by John Fahey.

mmm.

The best old religious record, by the way, is Rev. A.W. Nix and
Congregation's "Black Diamond Expressway To Hell" part 1&2

Sorry.  This is a hobbyhorse of mine.

matt


Ken Waxman wrote:

> Blind Willie Johnson
> Blind Willie McTell
> Blind Boy Fuller
> Blind Sonny Terry
> Blind Lemon Jefferson
> Blind Blake
> Blind Gary Davis
> Cripple Clarence Lofton
> Peg Leg Howell


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Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 17:40:58 -0500
From: "Alan Kayser" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Bobby Previte

Were any  of our European friends lucky enough to catch the "new" Bump the
Renaissance during their recent tour (possibly with recorder in hand)?  Was
wondering what the switch from Ray Anderson to Joseph Bowie sounded like.
If your answer to the secret question is "yes" then contact me privately.


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Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 05:26:40 -0000
From: "thomas chatterton" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re:Blind Willie -infirmities of blues singers

>This discussion got me thinking about the nicknames of
>different early folk and jazz performesr and I came up
>with this list:
>
>Blind Willie Johnson
>Blind Willie McTell
>Blind Boy Fuller
>Blind Sonny Terry
>Blind Lemon Jefferson
>Blind Blake
>Blind Gary Davis
>Cripple Clarence Lofton
>Peg Leg Howell

Don't forget to mention Blind Nathan Beauregard;  caught a clip of him once
on TV, 106 years old, blind (obviously!), bald, and playing electric guitar
while sitting in a chair, I kid you not, he did some scattered recordings, I
have one on an ABC Bluesway 2LP collection...

Peace Out

N.P. Jimi Hendrix, The Jimi Hendrix Experience (boxset)
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Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 05:44:46 -0000
From: "thomas chatterton" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: bill laswell

>From: Steve Smith <[e-mail]>
>
>Better to hope that the real reason Laswell was in touch with Shanachie -
>access
>to their Yazoo label's Blind Willie recordings for yet another remix
>project -


Anyone know what's up with Laswell's rumoured 3 part (Masada, Filmworks,
Naked City) deconstruction/remix Zorn project?


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Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 21:04:27 +1100
From: "Adam Rock" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Frank Zappa (No Zorn Content)

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Thanks,

Adam

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Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 11:03:04 +0100
From: "Andreas Dietz" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Masada in Europe next fall

Hi Zornlisters,

recently there was a thread about Masada┤s end in the near future and the
last european concert in Paris in january - but on Dave Douglas┤ website is
Masada scheduled october 14 in Bern, Switzerland...

Andreas
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Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 11:56:33 +0100
From: patRice <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Frank Zappa (No Zorn Content)

Adam Rock wrote:

>  Can anyone recommend some Frank Zappa albums that may function as
> useful starting points for the newbie? Apologies if this question has
> already been raised on the list.

well, adam: if you are getting into frank zappa - i'd say start saving
money now. every single person i know who ever got into zappa did
eventually spend a lot of money on cds/records by him.

i'd already been a fan of frank zappa drummer terry bozzio before i
discovered frank's music. my first purchase was "sheik yerbouti"; still
one of my faves.

but i think i can also recommend "zoot allures", "apostrophe / overnite
sensation", "live in new york", "waka/jawaka"... i'd say check those
out.

already looking forward to what other list-members have to say!

patRice

np: jamie saft, sovlanut
nr: haruki murakami, norwegian wood
recent videos i enjoyed: ali g - aiii / bottom live


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Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 05:58:39 -0500
From: "Caleb T. Deupree" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Frank Zappa (No Zorn Content)

At 09:04 PM 12/14/00 +1100, Adam Rock wrote:
>>>>
Can anyone recommend some Frank Zappa albums that may function as useful
starting points for the newbie? Apologies if this question has already been
raised on the list.
<<<<

I didn't follow FZ through his whole career, but the early Mothers of
Invention albums are excellent, in particular Freak Out, Absolutely Free,
and Only Money.  His satire had not yet devolved into puerile vocals yet,
but all three of these albums have a heavy dose of vocals.  Only Money and
its companion Lumpy Gravy contains some the few examples of serious
electroacoustic music in 1960s pop (Beatles Revolution #9 is the only other
example I can think of), but also contains some of FZ's best melodies and
catchy pop tunes.  Freak Out is more straight rock but has a fairly long
percussion improv piece.  Absolutely Free is scathing satire on the
entertainment industry and pseudo-hippies.

His first solo album Hot Rats, almost all instrumental except a brief vocal
by Beefheart, is also quite good.  It features Zappa and
multi-instrumentalist Ian Underwood on keyboards and winds.

Some of the last original Mothers albums had some gems too: Burnt Weeny
Sandwich, Weasels Ripped my Flesh, and Uncle Meat all have some excellent
moments.

Yellow Shark is reputed to be *the* classical Zappa album, I think,
although I've only read about this album.

Shut Up and Play Your Guitar is great if you're looking for guitar
pyrotechnics and little else.

Avoid Mothers Live at Fillmore 1971, too many early 1970s references in the
comedy bits and not enough music.

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Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 06:08:05 EST
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: Frank Zappa (No Zorn Content)

In a message dated 12/14/00 5:02:07 AM Eastern Standard Time,
[e-mail] writes:

<< Hi Folks,

 Can anyone recommend some Frank Zappa albums that may function as useful
starting points for the newbie? Apologies if this question has already been
raised on the list.

 Thanks,

 Adam >>

The "You Can't Do That On Stage Anymore" series is a fine live overview of
Zappa's stunning career.

Still misses Frank,
Tom

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Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 06:34:49 EST
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: Frank Zappa (No Zorn Content)

In a message dated 12/14/00 5:59:02 AM, [e-mail] writes:

<< Only Money and its companion Lumpy Gravy contains some the few examples of
serious
electroacoustic music in 1960s pop (Beatles Revolution #9 is the only other
example I can think of) >>

Gilberto Gil's Cerebro Eletronico (1969) has some great electroacoustics on
it, courtesy of Rogerio Duprat. also, not quite the sixties, but Can's Tago
Mago (1971) has a side long piece, Aumgn, which is also pretty great. those
are the first two that come to mind.

my favorite Zappa records are Freak Out! and Weasels Ripped My Flesh, FWIW.

on a somewhat related note, did anyone see the Allan Kozinn review in the NY
Times this week, I believe of a Phil Kline show, in which he called Jim
Morrison and Frank Zappa contemporary musicians? now there's someone who's
just as much in touch with today's music as Ken Burns.

Jon
www.erstwhilerecords.com

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Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 06:49:34 -0500
From: "Jesse Kudler" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Frank Zappa (No Zorn Content)

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To: <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Re: Frank Zappa (No Zorn Content)

> my favorite Zappa records are Freak Out! and Weasels Ripped My Flesh,
FWIW.

Is Freak Out the one where the sleeve lists a bunch of experimental artists
as influences?  I read somewhere that Jim O'Rourke credited that with first
getting him into all that stuff, as he went and researched all of them at
the library.  (We certainly don't have a library like that were I live).

- -Jesse


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Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 13:03:04 +0100
From: "Andreas Dietz" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Bobby Previte

>From: "Alan Kayser" <[e-mail]>
>
>Were any  of our European friends lucky enough to catch the "new" Bump the
>Renaissance during their recent tour (possibly with recorder in hand)?  Was
>wondering what the switch from Ray Anderson to Joseph Bowie sounded like.
>If your answer to the secret question is "yes" then contact me privately.

I┤ve seen both versions: in august with Anderson and in november with Bowie
and the first concert was much better. This wasn┤t the case because of Bowie
but other circumstances: better acoustic, much more enthusiastic visitors,
better atmosphere. Bowie did a good job but wasn┤t really into the material.
The venue was an old plant building with horrible acoustic.

Andreas

PS: I didn┤t tape anything
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