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Subject: Zorn List Digest V3 #193
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Zorn List Digest Saturday, December 9 2000 Volume 03 : Number 193
In this issue:
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Re: ribot/mmw/james carter
David Krakauer - The Russian Shers (A New Hot One)
ribot/mmw/james carter
Re: ribot/mmw/james carter
Re: ribot/mmw/james carter
JamesCarter/MMW/Ribot
full record with Dagmar Krauss singing Kurt Weill?
Re: full record with Dagmar Krauss singing Kurt Weill?
Re: full record with Dagmar Krauss singing Kurt Weill?
Re: full record with Dagmar Krauss singing Kurt Weill?
New book with good Zorn content
Re: David Krakauer - The Russian Shers (A New Hot One)
Re: David Krakauer - The Russian Shers (A New Hot One)
ionesco - boris vian (the thread thickens)
Re: ionesco - boris vian (the thread thickens)
Tony Malaby at Knit
RE: full record with Dagmar Krauss singing Kurt Weill?
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Date: Fri, 8 Dec 2000 12:14:33 -0500 (EST)
From: Ken Waxman <mingusaum@yahoo.ca>
Subject: Re: ribot/mmw/james carter
How about a blowing session with Carter and David S.
Ware instead. Or Carter and Louie Belogonis or Mats
Gustafson or Peter Brotzmann or Assif Tshar or Ivo
Perelman or Ken Vandermark or at least someone else
would be more challenging than ol' Grateful Dead
playing Murray.
Murray seems to have begun as an avant gardist and as
he's aged turned into a "young lion" . Maybe he yearns
for the same success of his original California
drummer (inside joke).
Carter was arrogant -- but talented -- when I saw him
in a Buffalo club and the Toronto Jazz Fest years ago.
If he could link up with someone who could rein him
in, however, we could have some excellent music.
Hm, Cecil Taylor expressed some admiration for Carter
in an interview recently. Maybe Carter would like to
go on the road with CT for a few months.
Ken Waxman
- --- Andreas Dietz <andreasdietz@hotmail.com> wrote:
> very well said, Steve. There┤s really a difference
> between his possibilities
> and the results. Perhaps a blowing session with
> Carter and David Murray
> could be interesting. I┤m sure Carter would be the
> winner, but this is
> old-fashioned nowadays.
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Date: Fri, 8 Dec 2000 19:00:03 +0100
From: Tim Blechmann <TimBlechmann@gmx.de>
Subject: David Krakauer - The Russian Shers (A New Hot One)
I am sure, that I know this piece from a different cd, but I have no
idea which it might be.
Does anyone have an idea where I could have heard it? (Masada?, Don Byron?)
Thanks.
PEACE
Tim mailto:TimBlechmann@gmx.de
- -
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Date: Fri, 08 Dec 2000 18:30:02
From: "William York" <william_york@hotmail.com>
Subject: ribot/mmw/james carter
First, I agree pretty much completely with Steve Smith's comments about JC -
the chops displays do get a little old, and I keep hoping he will downplay
those.
>>Surely the guy is just trying to make a living and trying to hang on >>to
>>his integrity without compromising too much.
>Cannot agree with it. Where is his not compromising behavior? I cannot
>see it.
Again, I tink Steve covered that. Recording with Lester Bowie, Hamiet
Bluiett, Ribot, Joey Baron, Tacuma, Weston, etc. Doing a Braxton song, doing
that fairly unstylish "free-funk" record, generally not toning down his
playing....MAybe toning down the multiphonics and overblowing would be good
in certain cases, but the point is I feel like he at least isn't holding
back.
>>I enjoyed the album with Ribot a lot.
>I enjoyed it too, but I didn't find anything I never heard before.
Arggh, this is like that argument from a few weeks ago. Surely you heard
something you have never heard before. Like Eugene Chadbourne said once, "If
one added up all the possible notes and sounds on an instrument and all the
permutations of them that two people could make, the total would run into
the infinite." I know what you are saying, and don't think Carter's album
with Ribot et al. was a revolutionary kind of album or anything, but it
seems like JC is being held to a double standard compared to MMW. That is, I
don't see how anything they are doing is any more "new" or "original" (at
least by this stage).
Ideally, considering how talented Carter is, he could record whatever he
wanted and not have to worry about coming up with stuff his record company
would accept or worry about getting dropped. But every once in a while it's
good to see someone getting exposure just on the odd chance that someone out
there will hear it and then go back and check out some of the other, less
exposed musicians. And I think MMW have a pretty similar role.
Sorry if that's off on a tangent from my original point but hopefully it
ties in. Anyway, must get back to work...
WY
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Date: Fri, 8 Dec 2000 13:57:31 -0500
From: Peter Gannushkin <shkin@shkin.com>
Subject: Re: ribot/mmw/james carter
Hello William,
OK, I understand what you are saying.
I can explain my point in one sentence: I am always impressed HOW JC
is playing but mostly not impressed WHAT he is playing.
In this case and only in it I can say that MMW is more "out" and
"interesting".
Because of the same reason I prefer Vandermark/Drake/McBride
"Spaceways Incorporated" as a "free-funk" record rather than JC
"Layin' in the Cut".
Friday, December 08, 2000, you wrote to me:
WY> First, I agree pretty much completely with Steve Smith's comments about JC -
WY> the chops displays do get a little old, and I keep hoping he will downplay
WY> those.
- --
Best regards,
Peter Gannushkin
e-mail: shkin@shkin.com
URL: http://www.downtownmusic.net/
- -
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Date: Fri, 8 Dec 2000 13:59:30 EST
From: Jeffcalt@aol.com
Subject: Re: ribot/mmw/james carter
andreasdietz@hotmail.com writes:
> Perhaps a blowing session with Carter and David Murray=20
> could be interesting. I=B4m sure Carter would be the winner
No way!? On most nights, Murray would blow him out of the water. =20
jeff=20
n.p. keith jarrett: byablue
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Date: Fri, 8 Dec 2000 14:37:54 -0500
From: "Toula Ballas" <toulab@msn.com>
Subject: JamesCarter/MMW/Ribot
Alright, all this banter makes me want to speak. About three years ago,
Craig Harris brought a band to Chicago. James Carter and David Murray
happened to be in town and both sat in. It was a cutting session. James
Carter was praising the music in a proper space. Nothing David did was as
captivating as several solos James took that night. They are good friends I
know. James has sat in with WSQ and is on record as saying they are one of
his favorite groups. Shortly thereafter, James and David were on the cover
of Downbeat and were interviewed together. My personal feeling is James can
do anything he
wants and his command of any sax is unparalleled. Compositionally, I
haven't heard James write anything I thought was
great and this can't be said of David. David also has had special
relationships with people. No doubt the trio of Murray,
Hopkins and Cyrille is one of the great bands in the history of this music.
His relationship with Dave Burrell is especially profound. When I first
moved to New York, I saw about 9 sets of the David Murray and David Burrell
duo and these are still indellibly marked on my brain. Lastly, the David
Murray Big Band had residency every Monday at the Knitting Factory in the
early nineties and these sessions produced some extremely memorable moments.
particularly, when conducted by Butch Morris.
Paul
- -
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Date: Fri, 08 Dec 2000 11:52:29 -0800
From: "Patrice L. Roussel" <proussel@ichips.intel.com>
Subject: full record with Dagmar Krauss singing Kurt Weill?
I know that I should know but is there a Dagmar Krause record where
she only sings Kurt Weill/Bertold Brecht? If yes, can we still find this
record. I seem to remember something with Hans Eisler, but no idea about
Weill.
Thanks,
Patrice.
PS: I know LOST IN THE STARS.
- -
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Date: Fri, 8 Dec 2000 21:04:45 +0100
From: "dekater" <dekater@worldonline.nl>
Subject: Re: full record with Dagmar Krauss singing Kurt Weill?
> I know that I should know but is there a Dagmar Krause record where
>she only sings Kurt Weill/Bertold Brecht? If yes, can we still find this
>record. I seem to remember something with Hans Eisler, but no idea about
>Weill.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Patrice.
>
>PS: I know LOST IN THE STARS.
Yes, there's a cd on Hannibal Records: 'Supply & Demand' (HNCD 1317) (1986)
on which D.K. sings Weill/Brecht/Eisler in German and in English.
Jan Luyben
- -
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Date: Fri, 08 Dec 2000 12:08:06 -0800
From: Jim Flannery <newgrange@sfo.com>
Subject: Re: full record with Dagmar Krauss singing Kurt Weill?
"Patrice L. Roussel" wrote:
>
> I know that I should know but is there a Dagmar Krause record where
> she only sings Kurt Weill/Bertold Brecht? If yes, can we still find this
> record. I seem to remember something with Hans Eisler, but no idea about
> Weill.
The closest is _Supply and Demand_, which is about 2/3 Brecht/Weill and
1/3 Brecht/Eisler.
She also did an album with Goebbels & Harth which comprised Brecht
lyrics which had not previously been set to music by anybody, the title
of which has now escaped me. Came out on a small German label sometime
around 83-85. Will check when I get home tonight.
- --
Jim Flannery
newgrange@sfo.com
- -
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Date: Fri, 08 Dec 2000 13:02:01 -0800
From: "Patrice L. Roussel" <proussel@ichips.intel.com>
Subject: Re: full record with Dagmar Krauss singing Kurt Weill?
On Fri, 08 Dec 2000 12:08:06 -0800 Jim Flannery wrote:
>
> The closest is _Supply and Demand_, which is about 2/3 Brecht/Weill and
> 1/3 Brecht/Eisler.
Thanks for the tip!
> She also did an album with Goebbels & Harth which comprised Brecht
> lyrics which had not previously been set to music by anybody, the title
> of which has now escaped me. Came out on a small German label sometime
> around 83-85. Will check when I get home tonight.
That's INDIANER FUR MORGN on Riskant, a fantastic record!
Patrice.
- -
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Date: Fri, 08 Dec 2000 16:25:35 -0500
From: Colin Ovitsky <colin@ovitsky.com>
Subject: New book with good Zorn content
Hi folks,
I just joined this list because I was writing a biographical paper on Zorn
for my Judaic Studies course at UMass. If I get around to it, I'll upload
it to my website so y'all can read it. Anyway, in my research, I
discovered a book that I haven't seen mentioned here in the recent thread,
so I thought I'd let everybody know.
It's called The Essential Klezmer: A Music Lover's Guide to Jewish Roots
and Soul Music, from the Old World to the Jazz Age tot he Downtown
Avant-Garde. The author is Seth Rogovoy, who is, ironically, the music
columnist for the small county newspaper where I grew up, The Berkshire
Eagle in Pittsfield, MA. I haven't read any of the book besides the Zorn
section, but there is a full 20-page section on Zorn and the Radical Jewish
Culture movement which is part of a larger chapter called "Beyond the
Pale." It's published by Algonquin Books and can be found on Amazon at:
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/1565122445/qid%3D976310158/102-0244626-3812965
Check it out!
Peace,
Colin
- -
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Date: Sat, 9 Dec 2000 11:23:46 +1100
From: "Julian" <jcurwin@hartingdale.com.au>
Subject: Re: David Krakauer - The Russian Shers (A New Hot One)
> I am sure, that I know this piece from a different cd, but I have no
> idea which it might be.
Does Krakauer have a new cd?
Well, I was curious, so I did a little search on cdnow and found a band
playing a piece called Russian Shers. I guess it is a traditional piece, to
me it sounds similar to a piece on the Kletka Red album "Hijacking"...
- -
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Date: Fri, 08 Dec 2000 16:39:46 -0800
From: "Patrice L. Roussel" <proussel@ichips.intel.com>
Subject: Re: David Krakauer - The Russian Shers (A New Hot One)
On Sat, 9 Dec 2000 11:23:46 +1100 "Julian" wrote:
>
> Does Krakauer have a new cd?
> Well, I was curious, so I did a little search on cdnow and found a band
> playing a piece called Russian Shers. I guess it is a traditional piece, to
> me it sounds similar to a piece on the Kletka Red album "Hijacking"...
I saw in France (late September):
- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
*** - A NEW HOT ONE: David Krakauer
David Krakauer: clarinet; Mark Stewart: electric guitar; Ted Reichman:
accordion; Pablo Aslan: bass; Nicky Parrott (1,2): bass; Kevin Norton:
drums.
2000 - Label Bleu (France), LBLC 6617/HM 83 (CD)
- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Patrice.
- -
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Date: Fri, 8 Dec 2000 21:32:55 EST
From: Acousticlv@aol.com
Subject: ionesco - boris vian (the thread thickens)
you wrote:
<<Onderwerp:.. recommendations for French pop
>thanks.>aaron
...and don't forget Boris Vian. There's a box of 6 cd's on PolyGram that
contains the most of his songs. That is, one cd contains songs sung by Vian,
on the other cd's are the songs interpreted by others such as: Henri
Salvador, Juliette Greco, Joan Baez a.s.o.
Jan Luyben>>
hi jan & crew
for those who dont know boris vian, he was "introduced" to me
two years ago by my mexican connection, lazaro, who raved about this
storyteller- who he discovered because of a rock-en-espanol song we both
love from the group 'la union' - the song 'lobo-hombre a paris'
which he later found out was based on a story by boris vian, 'werewolf in
paris.'
vian wrote surreal/absurdist stories, in the manner of ionesco, though
not as high quality. then i found out vian was a jazz fiend and composer
and jazz critic in france, and i just happpened to luck on all his american
books being remaindered at colisseum books and got em all, including
his jazz criticism.
...i _love_ pop music; if it werent for the mothers of invention's
'we're only in it for the money,' and zappa's liner notes,
i would never have discovered kafka's
'in the penal colony' when i was twelve...
and you wonder why i am the way i am...
steve koenig
n.p. my own dance mix of the residents "kawliga- remix" and divine "i'm
so beautiful- rx"
- -
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Date: Fri, 08 Dec 2000 21:23:06 -0800
From: Tosh <tosh@loop.com>
Subject: Re: ionesco - boris vian (the thread thickens)
For those of you who are interested in Vian, do check out my website:
address down below: I am selling a Vian book, but I also have some
additional information on Vian -
Also check out http://www.toadshow.com.au/rob/vian/vian.htm The best
English resource on Boris Vian.
And in French: http://pages.pratique.fr/~nmenard/vian.htm
>Again, I am a Vian fanatic, so excuse me for my ...excitement.
ciao,
- --
Tosh Berman
TamTam Books
http://www.tamtambooks.com
>
- -
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Date: Sat, 9 Dec 2000 00:53:25 -0500
From: Peter Gannushkin <shkin@shkin.com>
Subject: Tony Malaby at Knit
Hello All,
So, after reading this list about Tony Malaby, I decided to check
him on Sunday and to come to see Susie Ibarra trio at Tonic tonight.
When we got there I realized that her set is at 10 and not at 8. We
didn't want to wait and finally found ourselves in the cab going to
the Knit. We came quite on time. Malaby, Ducret, Formanek and Rainey
went on stage in five minutes.
I cannot say that this music was more interesting than Berne-Gibbs
jam at Tonic two days ago, but it was good. In a way it seemed a
little over-composed. What I mean that it was hard sometimes to
follow very long compositions with lots of changing in them. The
other thing which I didn't enjoy so much was that they played a lot
as a trio with Malaby or Ducret soloing but mostly not altogether.
In the second set quartet played three compositions only because the
last one was extremely long. I can tell that, although this set was
not much different from the first one, I liked it better partly
because of two very interesting Formanek solos and really hard and
fast Rainey playing.
That's all for now. I will listen to their new CD and probably will
understand more about this music.
- --
Best regards,
Peter Gannushkin
e-mail: shkin@shkin.com
URL: http://www.downtownmusic.net/
- -
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Date: Sat, 9 Dec 2000 09:21:40 +0100
From: "Artur Nowak" <arno@emd.pl>
Subject: RE: full record with Dagmar Krauss singing Kurt Weill?
> I know that I should know but is there a Dagmar
> Krause record where
> she only sings Kurt Weill/Bertold Brecht? If yes, can we
> still find this
> record. I seem to remember something with Hans Eisler, but
> no idea about Weill.
- - "TANK BATTLES"
2LP/CD ANTITLES / NEW DIRECTIONS (ANLP/CD8739) 01.1989.
1. Song Of The Whitewash. (EISLER / BRECHT. Translation: N. GOULD / VE
RSCHOYLE) (1:58)/ 2. (I Read About) Tank Battles. (EISLER / BRECHT. Tr
anslation: J. WILLETT) (1:24)/ 3. You Have To Pay. (EISLER / MEHRING.
Translation: M. GREEN) (1:37)/ 4. Chanson Allemande. (EISLER / VIERTEL
. Translation: J. WOODLAND) (1:13)/ 5. Ballad of the Sackslingers. (EI
SLER / ARENDT. Translation: J. WOODLAND / KRAUSE) (3:16)/ 6. Mother Be
imlein. (EISLER / BRECHT. Translation: L. LENDRUM) (1:11)/ 7. The Perh
aps Song. (EISLER / BRECHT. Translation: B. JONIC / K. HELM) (1:44)/ 8
. Ballade von der Belebenden Wirkung des Geldes. (4:22)/ 9. Mankind.
(EISLER. Translation: D. KRAUSE / J. WOODLAND) (0:54)/ 10. Bettellied.
(EISLER / BRECHT) (1:21)/ 11. Song Of A German Mother. (EISLER / BRECH
T. Translation: E. BENTLEY) (2:26)/ 12. Change The World - It Needs It
. (EISLER / BRECHT: Translation: E. BENTLEY) (1:59)/ 13. Bankenlied.
(EISLER / MEHRING) (2:52)/ 14. Legende von der Entstehung Des Buches T
aoteking. (6:31)/ 15. Ballad Of (Bourgeois) Welfare. (EISLER / TUCHOLS
KY. Translation: J. WOODLAND) (2:45)/ 16. Mother's Hands. (EISLER / TU
CHOLSKY. Translation: E. GREEN) (1:55)/ 17. Berlin 1919. (EISLER / ANO
N. Translation: E. BENTLEY) (2:24)/ 18. And I Shall Never See Again.
(1:48)/ 19. Genevieve: Osten ist ein Ball sur Seine. (EISLER / BRECHT)
(1:00)/ 20. The Wise Women and the Soldier. (3:33)/ 21. Failure in Lov
ing. (EISLER / HEINE. Translation: E. BENTLEY) (1:02)/ 22. Und Endlich
Stirbt. (EISLER / TUCHOLSKY. Translation: J. WOODLAND) (1:07)/ 23. The
Rat Men - Nightmare. (1:11)/ 24. The Homecoming. (EISLER / BRECHT. Tra
nslation: E. BENTLEY) (1:26)/ 25. The Trenches. (EISLER / TUCHOLSKY. T
ranslation: M. GREEN / A. DODGE) (3:33)/ 26. To a Little Radio. (EISLE
R / BRECHT. Translation: E. BENTLEY) (1:00).
ENSEMBLE: Steve BERRY: double bass (23)/ Andrew DODGE: leader, accordi
on, harmonium, piano, DX7, backing vocals./ Phil EDWARDS: saxophone./
Sarsh HOMER: clairnet, bass clairnet, contrabass clairnet./ John LEONA
RD: bassoon./ Ian MITCHELL: clairnet, bass clairnet./ Bruce NOCKLES: t
rumpet, picolo trumpet, cornet./ Ashley SLATER: tuba, trombone, bass t
rombone./ Steve STERLING: french horn./ Graeme TAYLOR: banjo, guitars.
/ Gertrude THOMA: backing vocals./ GUEST MUSICIANS: Alex BALANESCU: vi
ola./ Michael BLAIR: percussion, marimba./ Lindsay COOPER: basson.John
HARLE: soprano saxophone./ Danny THOMPSON: double bass./ John TILBURY:
piano.
Recorded at West 3 Studios, London. Mixed at the Fallout Shelter, Lond
on. Musical arrangements by Greg COHEN. Produced by Greg COHEN. Produc
tion assistance by Dagmar KRAUSE and Bob WARD. Engineered by Richard D
IGBY-SMITH. Mixed by Martin REX. Photo by Alastair THAIN. Design by Is
land Art. Dedicated to Heinrich & Magdalene KRAUSE.
__________________________________________________________________
Artur Nowak [arno at emd dot pl] www.emd.pl
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