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Zorn List Digest      Thursday, November 30 2000      Volume 03 : Number 184



In this issue:
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       Joe Morris on BET?!?
       Re:  Re:  Re: supporting local indie shops
       Re: supporting local indie shops
       re: Clamazon.com
       Re: Sussan Deyhim
       tsiziji munoz
       help me find hathut
       Re: help me find hathut
       Re(2): help me find hathut
       RE: Re(2): help me find hathut
       Megastores pricing policy (off topic and a bit long)
       Re: Megastores pricing policy (off topic and a bit long)
       President Clinton
       Re: help me find hathut
       Re: Zorn ends Masada
       Re[2]: Zorn ends Masada
       Zorn ends Masada
       Re: Zorn ends Masada
       Re: London record stores
       Re: help me find hathut
       Re: London record stores

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Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2000 01:13:32 -0500
From: Steve Smith <[e-mail]>
Subject: Joe Morris on BET?!?

I'm astonished.

As I type this, the Joe Morris Quartet (Mat Maneri, Chris Lightcap,
Gerald Cleaver) is playing on my television, on the BET on Jazz
network's "Live at the Knitting Factory" series.

If only I'd known in advance, I'd have had a videotape ready.  Why has
this series received virtually no publicity?  Far from me to be a shill
for anything Knitting Factory-related, but fuck, Joe Morris on my TV?

No matter.  Time for me to sign off and sink in.

Amazing.

Steve Smith
[e-mail]
NP - Mat Maneri playing a typically slinky solo bit... damn he's good...


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Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2000 07:35:32 EST
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re:  Re:  Re: supporting local indie shops

In a message dated 11/29/00 12:31:39 PM, you wrote:
<<NYC's Other Music. It talked about its success among the "hip",
strange store classifications>>

my main problem with that store, beside prices higher than downtown
music gallery, is that every time ive strolled in,
the last three years, some kind of strong-beat electronica
is playing loudly and i just up and leave after my nerves get shot.
the store is not limited to that by any means yet that is all i hear.
what they do carry, however, goes way beyond jazz/improv and that is a plus.
that is, if you DO care to buy stockhausen's outrageously self-priced
reissues on his own label, approx $30USD/disc.  glad i have all my DGG vinyl.

steve k the disco bunny
n.p. the beep on my alarm clock; i guess i shd log off and go to work....
oy veh is mir a/k/a oh mary dont ask

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Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2000 07:44:32 EST
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: supporting local indie shops

In a message dated 11/30/00 7:37:19 AM, [e-mail] writes:

<< my main problem with that store, beside prices higher than downtown
music gallery, is that every time ive strolled in,
the last three years, some kind of strong-beat electronica
is playing loudly and i just up and leave after my nerves get shot. >>

their prices are definitely on the high side, but they play all kinds of
stuff in the store. when I was in there yesterday, they were playing Sun Ra's
When Angels Speak Of Love.

Jon
www.erstwhilerecords.com

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Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2000 08:44:34 EST
From: [e-mail]
Subject: re: Clamazon.com

>Everyone here who is a label owner or recording artist should strongly
>consider having them carry your stuff.

The guy(s) at Clamazon seem VERY nice, & I'm sure that they are great.
HOWEVER, one thing to bear in mind is that when they approached us about
carrying our stuff, they were unwilling to "buy" the materials - and I did
NOT tell them that they had to order any kind of a minimum or anything like
that. They wanted us to do a consignment deal, something that I, & I suspect
many label owners, are unwilling to do with a direct e-retailer, especially
when you have a label with over 150 releases [Cuneiform] & represent the US
market for a UK label with an additional 75-some releases [ReR].

Steve F.

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Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2000 14:51:03 +0100 (MET)
From: [e-mail] (Stephen Fruitman)
Subject: Re: Sussan Deyhim

>I would recommend Sussan Deyhim.

>Her actual CD
>Madman Of God from this year is interesting.

And her new CD on Eyestorm, _Turbulent_, is absolutely fascinating. Stephen

Stephen Fruitman
Dept of Historical Studies
Ume=E5 University
SE-901 87 Ume=E5 Sweden



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Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2000 18:19:54
From: "William York" <[e-mail]>
Subject: tsiziji munoz

>more important than the bio, tho, is that he's a blistering guitarist. >in
>the sonny sharrock mold, even tho one hates to draw parallels >between
>players. i have one disc and have heard a few others and they >seem to be
>consistently strong (even if the covers are ugly).

right, the one i have (forget the title) has a strong similarity to
sharrock's "ask the ages," mainly for the distorted electric guitar +
coltrane sidemen element (Rashied Ali and Pharaoh Sanders are on this
record). But the main difference to my ears is that Munoz has a lot more
"chops," and plays a LOT of notes, (at least on this album) not much noise.

Another album I tie in with those two is that Nels Cline/Greeg Bendian
"Interstellar Space Revisited" CD from last year, which I thought was pretty
great. Actually you can download a track from that here (free, and legally):

http://www.epitonic.com/artists/nelsclinegreggbendian.html

WY


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Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2000 10:26:29 -0800
From: "Martin Wisckol" <[e-mail]>
Subject: help me find hathut

as cool as they are, my local record shop can't get
hatology/hathut/hatart/hatsmut. Amazon's selection is limited and has
jacked up prices. I've done the Cadence thing before, but don't feel like
making the commitment right now -- i just want eskelin's 5 other pieces.
any suggestions on where to track this down (and other hathut) online?






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Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2000 13:52:17 -0500
From: Steve Smith <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: help me find hathut

Martin Wisckol wrote:

> as cool as they are, my local record shop can't get
> hatology/hathut/hatart/hatsmut. Amazon's selection is limited and has
> jacked up prices. I've done the Cadence thing before, but don't feel like
> making the commitment right now -- i just want eskelin's 5 other pieces.
> any suggestions on where to track this down (and other hathut) online?

Of course, you had to pick one that Ellery doesn't sell online himself.
He's got other stuff available, though, at home.earthlink.net/~eskelin

The hat hut website (www.hathut.com) urges you to buy from Cadence.

The best prices I've ever seen for hat stuff (exclusing closeout sales) are
at Downtown Music Gallery, because Bruce often buys direct from artists and
passes the savings along: www.DTMGallery.com

Steve Smith
[e-mail]
NP - Issi Rozen, "Softly, as in a Morning Sunrise," 'Homeland Blues'
(Brownstone)


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Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2000 11:08:49 -0800
From: "Martin Wisckol" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re(2): help me find hathut

Thanks Steve. You are a boundless fount.


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Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2000 17:00:29 -0300
From: Linares Hugo <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: Re(2): help me find hathut

Seconded.

What would the Z-List be without Steve Smith (and Patrice, and Jon, and
Z-List goes on)?

Hugo Linares

> -----Mensaje original-----
> De:    Martin Wisckol [SMTP:[e-mail]]
> Enviado el:    Jueves 30 de Noviembre de 2000 4:09 PM
> Para:    [e-mail]
> CC:    [e-mail]
> Asunto:    Re(2): help me find hathut
>
> Thanks Steve. You are a boundless fount.
>
>
> -

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Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2000 20:02:50 -0000
From: "Alastair Wilson" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Megastores pricing policy (off topic and a bit long)

Further to the indie vs mega vs web sales discussions:

It's always worth checking the big stores for stuff as their ignorance can
sometimes work in your favour. Case in point: I picked up Bloodcount's
"Unwound" triple CD today at the Virgin Megastore in London for sixteen
pounds - usual UK price thirty-seven pounds. They obviously hadn't realised
it was a triple and just put a "regular" price tag on it. Nice to think that
by buying there I've probably *cost* Virgin money, rather than the other way
round. As long as Berne got his full cut...

On a related point - why do big shops never have proper jazz/experimental
sales? Not the promotions like 2 for ú22 and the like, which are never as
wide ranging as you'd want, but proper
lets-clear-out-the-stuff-that-aint-moving sales. Case in point 2: a copy of
Steve Beresford's "Signals For Tea" CD has been in the store mentioned above
since 1995 according to it's price tag, and is still at full price. They've
even got two new copies in recently, which obviously haven't sold. If you've
had stock for 5 years, isn't it time to take a few quid off the price and
watch it go? I know I'd buy more from them if they did so.

For the record: my main record shop of choice is Rough Trade in Covent
Garden www.roughtrade.co.uk. They do mailorder but their jazz section isn't
their strong point. Absolutely topnotch for electronic/experimental stuff
though, and the post rock nonscene.

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Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2000 14:45:03 -0500
From: Joseph Zitt <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Megastores pricing policy (off topic and a bit long)

On Thu, Nov 30, 2000 at 08:02:50PM -0000, Alastair Wilson wrote:
=20
> On a related point - why do big shops never have proper jazz/experiment=
al
> sales? Not the promotions like 2 for =A322 and the like, which are neve=
r as
> wide ranging as you'd want, but proper
> lets-clear-out-the-stuff-that-aint-moving sales. Case in point 2: a cop=
y of
> Steve Beresford's "Signals For Tea" CD has been in the store mentioned =
above
> since 1995 according to it's price tag, and is still at full price. The=
y've
> even got two new copies in recently, which obviously haven't sold. If y=
ou've
> had stock for 5 years, isn't it time to take a few quid off the price a=
nd
> watch it go? I know I'd buy more from them if they did so.

When I first started shopping there, the Tower in Tyson's Corner (VA)
had just such a sale. I picked up some good stuff at pretty good prices.
- --=20
|> ~The only thing that is not art is inattention~ --- Marcel Duchamp <|
| [e-mail]           http://www.metatronpress.com/jzitt |
| Latest CD: Jerusaklyn                  http://www.mp3.com/josephzitt |
| Comma: Voices of New Music    Silence: the John Cage Discussion List |


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Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2000 15:55:08 -0500
From: "Toula Ballas" <[e-mail]>
Subject: President Clinton

Has President Bill Clinton ever rocked with Haino Keiji?  I heard they did a
duet with Bill on Sopranino and
Haino on vocals only!

Paul

Kurt: I lost my gig in Chicago and have been out of the box for a bit.  Talk
to you soon!



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Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2000 15:58:54 -0500
From: Steve Smith <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: help me find hathut

Linares Hugo wrote:

> Seconded.

Aw, you're making me blush!  Really I'm just an unemployed dork with too
much time on my hands to go web-surfing at the drop of a hat... ;-)

> What would the Z-List be without Steve Smith (and Patrice, and Jon, and
> Z-List goes on)?

And Brian Olewnick, and Bill Ashline, and RRRick Lopez, and Joseph Zitt,
and Martin Wisckol, and Keith McMullen, and Ken Waxman, and Hugo Linares,
and Caleb Deupree, and Tom Benton, and Steve Koenig, and Skip Heller, and
Sugar in Their Vitamins, and Jason Tors, and Dave Trenkel, and Dan Hewins,
and Marcin Gokieli, and, well, everybody whose name I'm omitting... and...
and... that other guy we hardly ever hear from?  Oh yeah, Rizzi
something-or-other...  Group hug, everyone, and raise glasses to Rizzi.

(But I'm telling you, I STILL miss Jeff Spirer, the king of all things
Laswell and a great source of literary suggestions.  Wish I cared enough
about Laswell stuff to go hang out on that list...  I miss Tom Pratt, too,
although at least Jon keeps us posted by proxy.  And where the hell is
Jody McAlister?)

My ears wouldn't be the same without any of you guys.  This is the best
list I've ever been a part of, and I really appreciate the fact that
almost everything stays above the belt.

Maudlin,
Steve Smith
[e-mail]
NP - nothing, but looking forward to hearing both Fripp and Frisell
tonight (separate events, of course...)


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Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2000 22:21:58 +0800
From: Rob Allaert <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Zorn ends Masada

kurt wrote: i don't believe masada is retiring. jz would erect more fanfare
if that were the case, methinks.
_______________
Well, it was written that Zorn chose to put an end to his Masada band. I see
no reason why this loyal reporter (deStandaard) would fabricate this
message. This means that Paris is the last European visit by Masada. And
Minneapolis could be bye bye for good.

We'll see !!!!


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Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2000 16:40:40 -0500
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re[2]: Zorn ends Masada

kurt: i don't believe masada is retiring. jz would erect more fanfare
if that were the case, methinks.
_______________
rob: Well, it was written that Zorn chose to put an end to his Masada band. I
see no reason why this loyal reporter (deStandaard) would fabricate this
message. This means that Paris is the last European visit by Masada. And
Minneapolis could be bye bye for good.

We'll see !!!!

_______________

kurt: didn't mean to dismiss you so swiftly, rob, nor to denegrate said loyal
reporter. my point is that i would guess either something was misunderstood
(certainly possible) or, if zorn really said that, that i think it's unlikely to
come to pass. the band was retired once already, and when naked city was
disbanded, he certainly wasn't quiet about it.

i would hope and expect nyc to be the final stage, if indeed there is a final
last concert looming (again, based on naked city's final bow). maybe a kiss/
masada farewell double bill?

anyway, indeed, yes, we'll see.

kg
np: les paul trio - the jazz collector edition (tacky laserlight release)



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Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2000 22:49:35 +0800
From: "Rob, the Belgian Guy" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Zorn ends Masada

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Kurt:
maybe a kiss/
masada farewell double bill?

Kiss and Masada ? Count me in :-)))))



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Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2000 16:12:18 -0500
From: Joseph Zitt <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Zorn ends Masada

On Thu, Nov 30, 2000 at 10:49:35PM +0800, Rob, the Belgian Guy wrote:
> op 01-12-2000 05:40 schreef [e-mail] op
> [e-mail]:
>
>
> Kurt:
> maybe a kiss/
> masada farewell double bill?
>
> Kiss and Masada ? Count me in :-)))))

Yeah, they could play the song and CD "Beth" together!

- --
|> ~The only thing that is not art is inattention~ --- Marcel Duchamp <|
| [e-mail]           http://www.metatronpress.com/jzitt |
| Latest CD: Jerusaklyn                  http://www.mp3.com/josephzitt |
| Comma: Voices of New Music    Silence: the John Cage Discussion List |


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Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2000 16:58:28 EST
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: London record stores

In a message dated 11/30/00 3:02:25 PM, [e-mail] writes:

<< For the record: my main record shop of choice is Rough Trade in Covent

Garden www.roughtrade.co.uk. They do mailorder but their jazz section isn't

their strong point. Absolutely topnotch for electronic/experimental stuff

though, and the post rock nonscene. >>

there's a really good new record store just open in London (for 1 week). it's
called sound 323, and is run by the musician Mark Wastell. it's at 323
Archway Road in
Highgate. if you get a chance, check it out, and let us know how it is. and
if there's actually an Erstwhile window display (as Mark told me), I'd love
to see a picture.

Jon
www.erstwhilerecords.com

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Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2000 18:20:18 -0500
From: "Caleb T. Deupree" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: help me find hathut

At 10:26 AM 11/30/00 -0800, Martin Wisckol wrote:
>as cool as they are, my local record shop can't get
>hatology/hathut/hatart/hatsmut. Amazon's selection is limited and has
>jacked up prices. I've done the Cadence thing before, but don't feel like
>making the commitment right now -- i just want eskelin's 5 other pieces.
>any suggestions on where to track this down (and other hathut) online?

I know you've excluded Cadence, but I notice in their December issue that
all of the old Hat releases are on sale for $11.00 and marked as limited.
Probably last chance to pick up anything that was on HatHut (as opposed to
HatNow, Hatology, etc.)

- --
Caleb Deupree
[e-mail]

Work like you don't need the money. Love like you've never been hurt. Dance
like nobody's watching.

- -- Satchel Paige

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Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2000 00:52:32 -0000
From: "Alastair Wilson" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: London record stores

I saw it advertised in the Wire, which piqued my curiosity. Now I'll
definitely have to take a peek. Erstwhile window display? Blimey. I'll take
my camera...

- ----- Original Message -----
From: <[e-mail]>
To: <[e-mail]>
Sent: Thursday, November 30, 2000 9:58 PM
Subject: Re: London record stores


>
> In a message dated 11/30/00 3:02:25 PM, [e-mail] writes:
>
> << For the record: my main record shop of choice is Rough Trade in Covent
>
> Garden www.roughtrade.co.uk. They do mailorder but their jazz section
isn't
>
> their strong point. Absolutely topnotch for electronic/experimental stuff
>
> though, and the post rock nonscene. >>
>
> there's a really good new record store just open in London (for 1 week).
it's
> called sound 323, and is run by the musician Mark Wastell. it's at 323
> Archway Road in
> Highgate. if you get a chance, check it out, and let us know how it is.
and
> if there's actually an Erstwhile window display (as Mark told me), I'd
love
> to see a picture.
>
> Jon
> www.erstwhilerecords.com
>
> -
>
>

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