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From: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com (Zorn List Digest)
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Subject: Zorn List Digest V3 #181
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Zorn List Digest Tuesday, November 28 2000 Volume 03 : Number 181
In this issue:
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Re: Amazon's obnoxious pricing
Re: Amazon's obnoxious pricing
ennio morricone plus tidbits
Re: Zorn ends Masada
Robbie Robertson?
Re: Robbie Robertson?
Re: Robbie Robertson?
Re[2]: Amazon's obnoxious pricing
Re: new derek bailey releases
Brahms/Ribot correction
Re: Amazon's obnoxious pricing
Re: Brahms/Ribot correction
zorn ends masada
Masada in Paris
Re: zorn ends masada
Re: Robbie Robertson?
Iranian music (Re: various)
Tiszji Munoz
Re: Tiszji Munoz
Re: Tiszji Munoz
Re: ennio morricone plus tidbits
Amazon et al Supporting your Local Record Store
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Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2000 13:16:17 -0500
From: Steve Smith <ssmith36@sprynet.com>
Subject: Re: Amazon's obnoxious pricing
s~Z wrote:
> http://www.zdnet.com/zdnn/stories/comment/0,5859,2626344,00.html
>
Wow. Thanks, Keith. Now that really DOES make me wonder... I was
certain that I saw $13.99 yesterday. Then I followed my very own link,
as quoted in Steve's message and got $15.99. And I did not "flush my
cache" before relaunching and trying again, also resulting in $15.99.
Now that's truly weird and more than a little suspect.
Note that I've never, ever bought anything from Amazon. And now I
suppose I never shall.
Steve Smith
ssmith36@sprynet.com
- -
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Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2000 12:09:39 -0500
From: Rich Williams <punkjazz@snet.net>
Subject: Re: Amazon's obnoxious pricing
>Steve wrote:
>
>>Everyone seems to be listing it under Stian Carstensen's name.
>>Amazon has it for $13.99:
>>http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/B00004RGPN/qid=975349431/sr=1-/102-664
>
>2104-8233754
>
>Hmmm. I've read a few articles about Amazon having different pricing for
>different tiers of customers.
>
>Here's what *I* got when I went to see what Steve had to say about the CD:
>Farmers Market
>Stian Carstensen
>List Price:
>$17.97
>Our Price:
>$15.99
>You Save:
$1.98 (11%)
>So, they are offering it to one Steve for $2.00 less than they are offering
>it to a different Steve.
>
>VERY nice of them. Jeezus, that sucks. Please don't *anybody* try & justify
>this little bit of insanely off-putting capitalism....
Gee, Now I feel "special". The gods of Amazon have deigned to
only charge me 13.99.
But seriously, I've seen this stuff in action before, and its become
increasingly popular with web-store designers. If you have ever
"registered" with one of these sites, they have the ability to show
you a completely different database of products, OR the same products
at different prices. Once your web browser accepts their cookie, you
have been cataloged, ranked, indexed, and numbered(apologies to
Patrick McGoohan)
Rich
- -
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Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2000 15:00:43 -0400
From: mwoodwor <mwoodwor@is2.dal.ca>
Subject: ennio morricone plus tidbits
Hi everyone - I'm fairly new to the list so forgive me if this has already
been discussed at length - I recently purchaed ennio morricone's "western
quintet" and LOVE it, I also own "mondo morricone" and the soundtracks to Once
upon a time in the west and fistful and for a few dollars more (all three are
on one CD). Where should I head next? What other morricone releases do
people on the list have that are so good that it makes them want to puke?!?
BTW1 thanks to the people who rec. William Gaddis - The recognitions to read,
it is an excellent book (anything that combines a monkey, barn, and some
sleigh-bells is top-notch in my books)
BTW2 - movie rec. is Shindo's (the director) film from the mid sixties
entitled "onibaba" about a couple of japanese peasant women, some armour, a
man of questionable character, a weird mask, and a big hole (hard film to
explain but watch it if you can)
BTW3 - now listening to Dean Robert's - And the Black Moth Plays the Grand
Cinema - Excellent release! Always happy to hear someone "covering" Brian
Eno.
- -
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Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2000 20:01:36 +0800
From: Rob Allaert <Rob@llaert.nu>
Subject: Re: Zorn ends Masada
op 29-11-2000 01:56 schreef DRoyko@aol.com op DRoyko@aol.com:
How do you mean "what appears"? Did he say something to that effect from the
stage? I'd like to assume he'll be honoring already-scheduled gigs, since
I'm planning on driving up to Minneapolis in April to see them.
It said so in our local newspaper. I supposed they talked with Zorn himself
to come to this conclusion. I'm sure they will finish their planned
concerts.
Rob@llaert.NU
"The goal is to bring the same intensity to listening as the performer to
playing."
- -
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Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2000 13:55:27 -0500
From: perdida <mbraendl@yorku.ca>
Subject: Robbie Robertson?
Hi there!
kurt gottschalk quoted from Oseary:
> "Jews Who Rock"
>(St. Martin's Griffin Press, $12.95).
>From Herb Alpert and Bob Dylan to Robbie Robertson and Warren Zevon,
>"Jews Who
>Rock" gives snapshot sketches of 100 chosen people of pop music.
I always thought Robbie Robertson was Native American. Is this the same
guy ex The Band? With a now successful solo career, especially here in
Canada? Hmmm, well I guess he could be both!
Ms. M.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
"ah, music....a magic beyond all we do here!"
Albus Dumbledore in 'Harry Potter and the Philosopher's Stone'
***********
- -
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Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2000 15:19:39 +0000
From: James Hale <jhale@sympatico.ca>
Subject: Re: Robbie Robertson?
Robbie Robertson's father was a Jewish gambler in Toronto. His mother is
Mohawk from the Six Nations Reserve.
James Hale
perdida wrote:
> Hi there!
>
> kurt gottschalk quoted from Oseary:
>
> > "Jews Who Rock"
> >(St. Martin's Griffin Press, $12.95).
> >From Herb Alpert and Bob Dylan to Robbie Robertson and Warren Zevon,
> >"Jews Who
> >Rock" gives snapshot sketches of 100 chosen people of pop music.
>
> I always thought Robbie Robertson was Native American. Is this the same
> guy ex The Band? With a now successful solo career, especially here in
> Canada? Hmmm, well I guess he could be both!
>
> Ms. M.
>
>
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> "ah, music....a magic beyond all we do here!"
>
> Albus Dumbledore in 'Harry Potter and the Philosopher's Stone'
>
> ***********
>
>
>
> -
- -
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Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2000 13:15:01 -0600
From: "Robert A. Pleshar" <rpleshar@midway.uchicago.edu>
Subject: Re: Robbie Robertson?
Which reminds me of the old vaudville joke about Native Americans being the
lost tribe and one chief goes out on a buffalo hunt only to return empty
handed exclaiming "I brought the milchig tomahawk!"
Where is Zero Mostel when you need him?
Ralph
At 01:55 PM 11/28/00 -0500, perdida wrote:
>I always thought Robbie Robertson was Native American. Is this the same
>guy ex The Band? With a now successful solo career, especially here in
>Canada? Hmmm, well I guess he could be both!
>Ms. M.
>
>
>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> "ah, music....a magic beyond all we do here!"
>
> Albus Dumbledore in 'Harry Potter and the Philosopher's Stone'
>
> ***********
>
>
>
>
>-
>
- -
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Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2000 14:17:32 -0500
From: Peter Gannushkin <shkin@shkin.com>
Subject: Re[2]: Amazon's obnoxious pricing
Hello Steve,
As I know Amazon was "experimenting" (they called it so) with prices
for DVDs only. And they stopped and promised not to do it again. What
we all see now seems like normal "on sale"/"not on sale" thing which
is going on almost every on-line store. I wonder how didn't you notice
that before.
All on-line stores are changing prices for different groups of goods
especially around holidays convincing customers to buy more and more.
For example CDNOW is sending me spam e-mails about all their sales and
discounts. Their new practice includes decreasing CD's price by $0.5
and calling this discount. The other thing that they are doing is that
every now and then they are announcing sale of items you have on your
wish list so everybody except you should pay more. My favorite Music
Boulevard, which was eaten by CDNOW with its excellent Jazz Central
Station web site, used to publish lists of $9.99 CDs which were
changing all the time. So this is really common behavior of on-line
stores.
Tuesday, November 28, 2000, you wrote to me:
SS> CuneiWay@aol.com wrote:
>> Steve wrote:
>>
>> >Everyone seems to be listing it under Stian Carstensen's name.
>> >Amazon has it for $13.99:
>> >http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/B00004RGPN/qid=975349431/sr=1-/102-664
>>
>> 2104-8233754
>>
>> Hmmm. I've read a few articles about Amazon having different pricing for
>> different tiers of customers.
>>
SS> My apologies if it was indeed an error in reading on my part. Seems like a good
SS> reason to shop at CDNow or elsewhere, anyway. And Barnes & Noble seems worth
SS> avoiding altogether now.
- --
Best regards,
Peter Gannushkin
e-mail: shkin@shkin.com
URL: http://www.downtownmusic.net/
- -
------------------------------
Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2000 11:40:54 -0800 (PST)
From: Scott Handley <thesubtlebody@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: new derek bailey releases
- --- Stefan Verstraeten
<stefan.annik@planetinternet.be> wrote:
> NP A new cassette-letter by Derek Bailey.....
Say what? What is this?
- ---s
__________________________________________________
Do You Yahoo!?
Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products.
http://shopping.yahoo.com/
- -
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Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2000 19:52:33 -0000
From: "Les Rhoda" <les_rhoda@hotmail.com>
Subject: Brahms/Ribot correction
>esteemed session
>guitarist **Marc Ribot** (who appears on two tracks) and others.
> >[asterisks added]
>
>
>Apparently Ms. Brahms knew a bassist who had worked with Ribot and just
>cold-called him for the session.
I learned from a mutual friend last night that Darien Brahms actually met
Ribot 6 years ago when she lived in NYC, trying to make it as a
singer/songwriter. She came close, but wouldn't bend to the marketing
mechanisms at the major labels, i.e. appear more like a tramp than a
chanteuse, modify and pop-ify her music in accordance with the whims of
public 'taste', etc. so she came back to Maine. (Pardon if this is too
tangential, but I know there are a few New Englanders out there that can
dig.)
Les
p.s. To those of you who have inquired about where to buy her cd go to
http://www.w2.com/bad.html
_____________________________________________________________________________________
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- -
------------------------------
Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2000 11:55:28 -0800
From: "s~Z" <keith@pfmentum.com>
Subject: Re: Amazon's obnoxious pricing
I got $15.99 even when logging on after deleting the cookie.
Once your web browser accepts their cookie, you
have been cataloged, ranked, indexed, and numbered(apologies to
Patrick McGoohan)
Rich
- -
- -
------------------------------
Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2000 12:34:41 -0800
From: "Patrice L. Roussel" <proussel@ichips.intel.com>
Subject: Re: Brahms/Ribot correction
On Tue, 28 Nov 2000 19:52:33 -0000 "Les Rhoda" wrote:
>
> I learned from a mutual friend last night that Darien Brahms actually met
> Ribot 6 years ago when she lived in NYC, trying to make it as a
> singer/songwriter. She came close, but wouldn't bend to the marketing
> mechanisms at the major labels, i.e. appear more like a tramp than a
> chanteuse, modify and pop-ify her music in accordance with the whims of
> public 'taste', etc. so she came back to Maine. (Pardon if this is too
You know, there are plenty of artists in NYC who do not compromise. You don't
have to go back to Maine to keep your virginal integrity...
Patrice.
- -
------------------------------
Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2000 13:53:54 -0800 (PST)
From: jason tors <jasontors@yahoo.com>
Subject: zorn ends masada
there is a gig comming up for masada...
JOHN ZORN'S MASADA [Quartet] - LAST GIG OF THE YEAR! At the Center
For Jewish History, 15 W. 16th St., Manhattan NYC, on Sat. Dec.9th.
Shows at 8 PM & 10 PM, $25 per set. Get your tickets now before the
ads hit the papers 917-606-8200!
__________________________________________________
Do You Yahoo!?
Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products.
http://shopping.yahoo.com/
- -
------------------------------
Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2000 23:01:48 +0800
From: "Rob, the Belgian Guy" <Rob@llaert.NU>
Subject: Masada in Paris
Can someone tell me exactly where Masada will play in Paris. Venue, Address,
phone, etc ?
thnx - rob
- -
------------------------------
Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2000 14:10:28 -0800
From: "Patrice L. Roussel" <proussel@ichips.intel.com>
Subject: Re: zorn ends masada
On Tue, 28 Nov 2000 13:53:54 -0800 (PST) jason tors wrote:
>
> JOHN ZORN'S MASADA [Quartet] - LAST GIG OF THE YEAR! At the Center
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
We already had a big fear last year with Masada's last gig of the
century. If we are lucky we might even get, next year, twelve
Masada's last gig of the month!!! Nice to know that there is a
lot of room left for being challenged.
Patrice.
- -
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Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2000 18:27:27 EST
From: Knutboy@aol.com
Subject: Re: Robbie Robertson?
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Robbies pops was a Jewish gangster, and his mother indeed indian.
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- -
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Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2000 00:49:08 +0100
From: "Steve Berman" <steve@IMS.Uni-Stuttgart.DE>
Subject: Iranian music (Re: various)
>>>>> "Brian" == Brian Olewnick <olewnik@idt.net> writes:
Brian> Toula Ballas wrote:
[...]
>> Lastly, can someone recommend some Iranian musicians or recordings.
Brian> "Iran: Persian Classical Music" on Nonesuch, with Faramarz Payvar
&
Brian> Ensemble is a personal favorite of mine.
I'd second this recommendation, though I have to say I'm not well-versed in
Iranian music, having only two recordings. The other one, which I also like,
is volume three of the five volume Radif series on the French al sur label,
from 1994. Whereas the Nonesuch recording is fairly diverse, both in
instrumentation and style, the al sur recording is part of an exhaustive
documentation of the classical Persian melodic repertoire, performed on the
setar (a four-stringed lute) by Dariush Tala'i. The CD booklet contains a
fairly detailed explanation of the modal structure of the music. (I picked
this CD up used and don't know if it's still in print.)
- --Steve Berman
- -
------------------------------
Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2000 20:16:22 -0500
From: "Toula Ballas" <toulab@msn.com>
Subject: Tiszji Munoz
Greetings,
This has probably been brough up previously but I heard tell of a new Tiszji
Munoz cd with Mark Dresser, Marilyn Crispell
and Henry Kaiser as ensemble members. Any info on Tiszji would be
appreciated as I am fast developing an interest.
Thanks
Paul
NP: Music of Islam Volume 2
Music of the South Sinai Bedouins
(Celestial Harmonies)
- -
------------------------------
Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2000 20:24:01 -0500
From: Rick Lopez <bb10k@velocity.net>
Subject: Re: Tiszji Munoz
on 00.11.28 20:16, Toula Ballas at toulab@msn.com wrote:
> a new Tiszji Munoz cd with Mark Dresser, Marilyn Crispell
> and Henry Kaiser as ensemble members. Any info on Tiszji would be
> appreciated as I am fast developing an interest.
Here's the session info.
http://www.velocity.net/~bb10k/CRISPELL.disc.html#00.03.18
Marilyn sayeth he's a maniac, a free spirit, a wild-man. This is the first
I've heard of him. Apparently he's recorded in the Woodstock area before.
That's about all I have...
R
- ----------
Sessionographies: CRISPELL; IBARRA; Wm. PARKER; RIVERS; SHIPP; D.S. WARE.
Discographies: COURVOISIER; MANERI,; MORRIS; SPEARMAN; WORKMAN.
- --Samuel Beckett Eulogy--Baseball & the 10,000 Things--
Time Stops--LOVETORN--HARD BOIL-- ETC., at: http://www.velocity.net/~bb10k
UPDATE *June 25*, 2000:
Vids, a few CDs, baseball books, misc.
***Very Various For Sale: *** http://www.velocity.net/~bb10k/4SALE.html
WHERE THE HELL HAVE I BEEN??? : http://www.velocity.net/~bb10k/LUCILLE.html
- -
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Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2000 20:37:31 -0500
From: Steve Smith <ssmith36@sprynet.com>
Subject: Re: Tiszji Munoz
Rick Lopez wrote:
> on 00.11.28 20:16, Toula Ballas at toulab@msn.com wrote:
>
> > a new Tiszji Munoz cd with Mark Dresser, Marilyn Crispell
> > and Henry Kaiser as ensemble members. Any info on Tiszji would be
> > appreciated as I am fast developing an interest.
>
> Here's the session info.
>
> http://www.velocity.net/~bb10k/CRISPELL.disc.html#00.03.18
>
> Marilyn sayeth he's a maniac, a free spirit, a wild-man. This is the first
> I've heard of him. Apparently he's recorded in the Woodstock area before.
>
> That's about all I have...
Rick, you (and anyone else interested in more background on this artist)
should proceed without delay to the article Kaiser wrote about Tisziji Munoz
for Guitar Player in 1998:
http://www.henrykaiser.net/suggests_munoz.html
Additionally, Bruce Gallanter at Downtown Music Gallery is a HUGE fan and
stocks all of the CDs.
Steve Smith
ssmith36@sprynet.com
- -
------------------------------
Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2000 12:50:09 +1100
From: "Julian" <jcurwin@hartingdale.com.au>
Subject: Re: ennio morricone plus tidbits
> Hi everyone - I'm fairly new to the list so forgive me if this has
already
> been discussed at length - I recently purchaed ennio morricone's "western
> quintet" and LOVE it, I also own "mondo morricone" and the soundtracks to
Once
> upon a time in the west and fistful and for a few dollars more (all three
are
> on one CD). Where should I head next? What other morricone releases do
> people on the list have that are so good that it makes them want to
puke?!?
Two of my favourite soundtracks by Morricone are 'Once Upon A Time In
America' and 'Bird With The Crystal Plumage'. The former is quite varied,
including some of his greatest soundtrack melodies alongside some New
Orleans-style jazz. The latter is one of his horror scores for Dario Argento
films, and most of it is also available on the 'Dario Argento Trilogy' cd.
The 'Fistful Of Film Music' compilation on Rhino is a very good collection
also, and contains a much more original selection than is usually found on a
Morricone 'best-of' - there are many great tunes on there that aren't so
readily available elsewhere...
- -
------------------------------
Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2000 11:45:03 +1030
From: "sinkas" <sinkas@camtech.net.au>
Subject: Amazon et al Supporting your Local Record Store
Hi all,
I was thinking that in light of the nature of this list, which i would =
consider to some degree "outsider" music, why is it that people appear =
happy to support these huge web based record stores.
I think for the most part the people who may most benefit form them are =
those, who like me live outside the USA, I am wondering if the prices =
are really any cheaper to the US comapre's as opposed to them buying =
form thier local record store.
I am also refferring to the non-massive chain record stores.
I really like it when I can but a record directly form the artist, or =
from the label (web of Mimicry et al) as I feel there is alt least a =
chance the artist will see some benifit.
Sure beat going to Virgin only to be told "We dont carrry any Tzadik =
recrds", hhmm, i think you mean you dant carry any MUSIC.
Im boring myself=20
SO to sum up, are people here pro -local record store, or not?
Case
NP: Aussie Death Metal Masters Volume 2
"Alma Matters"
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