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Zorn List Digest Thursday, November 9 2000 Volume 03 : Number 158
In this issue:
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Re: New Variations ?
Re: New Variations ?
DES & Merzbow
Naked City cover
Re: Naked City cover
NYC Live Microtonal Music: Ataraxya + AFMM Microthon 2000
Re: New Variations ?
M. Gustafsson recommendations ?
Re[2]: New Variations ?
Re: M. Gustafsson recommendations ?
Duck, Incoming!
Re: Duck, Incoming!
Duck, Incoming!
Re: M. Gustafsson recommendations ?
Re: Duck, Incoming!
Re: riot, indeed
words for nothing(s)
Re: Francisco Lopez
Re: week of small miracles
help with ATOMIC MILK THROWERS (compilation)
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Date: Wed, 08 Nov 2000 12:48:05 -0800
From: "Patrice L. Roussel" <proussel@ichips.intel.com>
Subject: Re: New Variations ?
On Wed, 8 Nov 2000 15:23:05 EST Velaires@aol.com wrote:
>
> MIchelle --
>
> That was extremely well-said. Matt in the past has expressed displeasure
> about Uri's discs, a few bordering on attacks on his (Uri's) integrity. At
> most, I think Uri should probably have indicated what the more far-flung
> ideas were based on. It would have stopped a lot of people from saying he
> wrote stuff that had no connection to Bach.
I also criticized the record very harshly, and this was based on repeated
listening of it (since I initially thought that repeated listenings would
have a healing effect).
This is a kind of exercize (a la maniere de) where you have to be very care-
full: you have the umbrella of the great composer to whom you borrow (and you
might feel safe hiding behind it), and there is what you are doing with (of
course without any possible feedback from the artist). It is an exercize that
has a lot to do with maintaining equilibrum on a high-wire. Very few have
been able to do anything memorable with that. Fortunately, if you can't keep
on the wire and fall, only bad taste will hit you :-). I thought that Uri
Caine did a good job with his previous "a la maniere de" projects. I feel
that he went overboard with that one and missed the mark (his use of such
wide range of styles really annoyed me).
I doubt that any analysis of the well founded reasons behind the project
would change my mind. But since I do not read music, you are free to
believe that I am missing the gist of the whole thing. I don't criticize
the concept; I simply doubt its application and success.
Patrice.
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Date: Wed, 08 Nov 2000 12:52:48 -0800
From: "Patrice L. Roussel" <proussel@ichips.intel.com>
Subject: Re: New Variations ?
On Wed, 8 Nov 2000 15:23:05 EST Velaires@aol.com wrote:
>
> MIchelle --
>
> That was extremely well-said. Matt in the past has expressed displeasure
> about Uri's discs, a few bordering on attacks on his (Uri's) integrity. At
> most, I think Uri should probably have indicated what the more far-flung
> ideas were based on. It would have stopped a lot of people from saying he
But you are assuming that interesting ideas lead to interesting music... If
this was the case, 50% of classical contemporary music would be masterpieces.
In sciences, most ideas never leave the laboratory...
Patrice.
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Date: Wed, 08 Nov 2000 19:43:44 EST
From: APoesia794@aol.com
Subject: DES & Merzbow
almost...merzbow did a remix for the band discordance axis who are pretty
damn fast and furious...
<<(Mmmm, what about DES teaming up with someone like Merzbow..)>>
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Date: Thu, 9 Nov 2000 12:44:42 +1100
From: "Julian" <jcurwin@hartingdale.com.au>
Subject: Naked City cover
Does anyone know the composer of the piece that Naked City covered from the
Japanese film "Jingi No Hakaba"?
- -
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Date: Thu, 9 Nov 2000 15:16:46 +1100
From: "Julian" <jcurwin@hartingdale.com.au>
Subject: Re: Naked City cover
> Does anyone know the composer of the piece that Naked City covered from
> the Japanese film "Jingi No Hakaba"?
In case anyone else is interested, I think I can answer my own question... I
think his name is Toshiaki Tsushima.
- -
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Date: Thu, 09 Nov 2000 00:21:30 -0800
From: David Beardsley <xouoxno@virtulink.com>
Subject: NYC Live Microtonal Music: Ataraxya + AFMM Microthon 2000
Hello friends,
On Saturday November 11, 2000 I will be performing with
violinist Pat Pagano (South East Just Intonation Society)
at the American Festival of Microtonal Music in NYC.
We will be premiering our improvisation Ataraxia for Ebo Lapp
Steel Guitar, Violin, Pre-recorded CD, echos (aka looping), and
video sometime in the afternoon after 1pm. Come to hear us but I
really recommend coming to the hear the whole day.
AFMM:
http://www.echonyc.com/~jhhl/AFMM/
MICROTHON 2000
Saturday, November 11, 2000
Quaker Meeting House
(15th/16th street between 2nd and 3rd Avenues)
1:00 pm - 9:00 pm
Ataraxya on the net:
http://www.screwmusicforever.com/SHREESWIFT/
nada brahma,
db
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Date: Thu, 09 Nov 2000 09:41:38 CET
From: "Andreas Dietz" <andreasdietz@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: New Variations ?
>From: Nudeants@aol.com
>Date: Wed, 8 Nov 2000 13:06:58 EST
>
>Essentially, it seems to me that there are some that are relative
>'straightforward' readings, but the link of pretty much the whole album to
>the Goldberg Variations conceptually is tenuous at best, I'd say. Not to
>mention the fact that he does not even touch some the variations, and most
>of
>those that were 'inspired' actually seem to have nothing whatsoever linked
>to
>the Goldberg; they actually seem more an attempt to show how 'broad-minded'
>and 'versatile' he is, and they even fail at doing that.
>
>Actually, I kind of feel that the album is embarrassing, and almost
>insulting. A smart business move, though; he definitely does seem to be
>cashing in, touring a 40-piece choir across Europe, etc.
>
>-matt mitchell
I┤ve seen this project in August at the Saalfelden festival and it was one
of most dissappointing and boring performances I┤ve seen there in the last
ten years. Lots of great musicians but this mixture of all styles leads to
nowhere.
Andreas
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Date: Thu, 09 Nov 2000 18:59:43 +0100
From: Pascal Cortes <Pascal.Cortes@dstu.univ-montp2.fr>
Subject: M. Gustafsson recommendations ?
Hi, Zornlist=20
I've heard a lot about swedish sax. Mats Gustafsson in the recent years,
but barely know his music.
All I have is two DKV Trio records ("Stumble" and "Live at Glenn Miller
Caf=E9"), and "Background Music" with G. Gregorio and K. Nordeson.
Could any Gustafsson specialist give a short priority list with 2-4 CDs
that would be representative of the man's various facets ?
Thanks a lot.
Pascal.
(np: G. Gregorio, "Approximately")
- -
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Date: Thu, 9 Nov 2000 18:38:38 +0100
From: Tim Blechmann <TimBlechmann@gmx.de>
Subject: Re[2]: New Variations ?
Thursday, November 09, 2000, 9:41:38 AM, you wrote:
Andreas> I┤ve seen this project in August at the Saalfelden festival and it was one
Andreas> of most dissappointing and boring performances I┤ve seen there in the last
Andreas> ten years. Lots of great musicians but this mixture of all styles leads to
Andreas> nowhere.
I've been there, too, but in my opinion, it was one of the best
concerts of the festival. And it was the mixture of styles, that was
fascinating.
And it was much better than the cd. The problem of the CD is that it
is a studio recording. There is no problem to mix so many different
styles.
But the concert was just a mixture of styles, the group produced. Much
more like the Mahler recordings (Toblach).
About his commercial success. Beside school, I work at a record store,
and there I sold the Goldberg quite a lot. And there are two kinds of
people, who buy it. There are the people interested in contemporary
jazz / improvised music. But there are much more people, who usually
listen to classical music and want to have something different, than
the normal Goldberg Variations.
PEACE
Tim mailto:TimBlechmann@gmx.de
PS: On November 17th, Uri Caine will give a concert in Stuttgart,
Germany. (Probably piano solo)
- -
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Date: Thu, 9 Nov 2000 10:51:23 -0800 (PST)
From: Scott Handley <thesubtlebody@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: M. Gustafsson recommendations ?
- --- Pascal Cortes <Pascal.Cortes@dstu.univ-montp2.fr>
> I've heard a lot about swedish sax. Mats Gustafsson
> in the recent years, but barely know his music.
> Could any Gustafsson specialist give a short
priority list with 2-4 CDs
> that would be representative of the man's various
> facets ?
I'm not a MG specialist, but I really like the
GRYFFSGRYFFSGRYFFSGRYFFS session released by Music and
Arts, which I think might be pretty cheap now. It
features Raymond STrid (perc), Barry Guy (bass), and
Marilyn Crispell (piano), and was apparently a one-off
thing done with extra studio time. Free improv, lots
of fun. Really loads and loads of energy. I much,
much prefer this to BLOW HORN, w/ Vandermark et al,
which is a little mediocre to my taste. The duo with
Barry Guy, FROGGING (Maya), might not be essential,
but it's terrific nonetheless. Finally, I listened to
the Gush trio (MG, Strid, and a pianist whose name
escapes me) fondly for a few years; I think FROM
THINGS TO SOUNDS was my favorite, although the
GUSHWACHS album features violinist Phil Wachsmann, who
works a lot of electroacoustic magic. GUSHWACHS
wasn't really to my taste, but I think a lot of
electroacouctic fans _would_ like it----it tends
toward the quiet and subtle, and timbral, if memory
serves. Finally, for over-the-top blowing with plenty
of ideas nonetheless, try MOUTH EATING TREES AND OTHER
RELATED ACTIVITIES, with Paul Lovens (perc) and Barry
Guy. It's insane. And if you find a rare copy of the
much-coveted IMPROMPOSITIONS (solo enhanced-CD + book)
or the duo with Lovens, NOTHING TO READ, buy them, and
send them to me.
Sorry, I didn't think I liked him that much. I think
I do, after all.
- ----s
P.S. Don't ever miss a chance to SEE him play!
P.P.S. He really needs to throw away the fluteophone.
It sounds dead and rather not-versatile.
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Date: Thu, 9 Nov 2000 11:41:44 -0800 (PST)
From: rizzi@browbeat.com (m. rizzi)
Subject: Duck, Incoming!
Hey Folks,
I'm back from my 3 week Baja trip, and have waded through
2800 zorn-list bounces...among them were several emails
that got filtered out....Sooooo, you will start to see
some 'old' zorn-list email messages arriving in your
mailbox soon.
cheers,
mike rizzi
tanned-zorn-list-owner
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Date: Thu, 9 Nov 2000 14:05:20 -0500
From: Joseph Zitt <jzitt@metatronpress.com>
Subject: Re: Duck, Incoming!
Not actually an incoming duck, but a sample from an early game piece :-)
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Date: Thu, 9 Nov 2000 12:10:04 -0800
From: "s~Z" <keith@pfmentum.com>
Subject: Duck, Incoming!
Just spotted it:
http://shoko.calarts.edu/~sroberts/articles/DeVaucanson.duck.html
- -
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Date: Thu, 09 Nov 2000 16:58:16 -0500
From: Rick Lopez <bb10k@velocity.net>
Subject: Re: M. Gustafsson recommendations ?
on 00.11.09 13:51, Scott Handley at thesubtlebody@yahoo.com wrote:
> And if you find a rare copy of the
> much-coveted IMPROMPOSITIONS (solo enhanced-CD + book)
> or the duo with Lovens, NOTHING TO READ, buy them, and
> send them to me.
I believe Verge is handling IMPROMPOSITIONS now, so should be easy to come
by.
It's truly beautiful. I hope for more enhanced-CD versions of this music.
okay,
RL
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Date: Thu, 09 Nov 2000 17:10:57 EST
From: Dgasque@aol.com
Subject: Re: Duck, Incoming!
Was wondering when all of my "Barely 18 and wants to party" spam was gonna
show up here...;-)
Hope you had a good time in Baja...
=dg=
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In a message dated Thu, 9 Nov 2000 2:43:55 PM Eastern Standard Time,
rizzi@browbeat.com (m. rizzi) writes:
<<
Hey Folks,
I'm back from my 3 week Baja trip, and have waded through
2800 zorn-list bounces...among them were several emails
that got filtered out....Sooooo, you will start to see
some 'old' zorn-list email messages arriving in your
mailbox soon.
cheers,
mike rizzi
tanned-zorn-list-owner
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>>
- -
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Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2000 10:11:36 -0700
From: "Patrice L. Roussel" <proussel@ichips.intel.com>
Subject: Re: riot, indeed
On Thu, 26 Oct 2000 16:09:17 +0100 simon hopkins wrote:
>
> ...and noted that this was posted under the smug-schoolboy title
> "Look at the Riot I've caused" and realized that sharing even
> *virtual* space with a right-wing fuck-knuckle like you made me feel
> like I needed a shower. So I'll be unsubscribing.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Please don't, you will give this person to much importance.
Don't make the full list responsible for the acts of one. I am sure
that the vast majority of people on the list were appalled at what
that person said.
Patrice.
- -
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Date: Sat, 04 Nov 2000 14:48:44 GMT
From: "M. pathos" <mpathos@hotmail.com>
Subject: words for nothing(s)
After having been lambasted by (other) self-appointed arbiters of popular
taste who've taken what I said too literally, and far too seriously, I'd
like to point out: I admire Bowie's work. Notwithstanding my mystical (and
thus unsubstantiable) views about artistic production, I accept that it's
relatively common for compositions and performances to be intellectually
interesting without being emotionally appealing. At his best, Bowie can
definitely be the former: a challenging three-dimensional mock-up of a
possible pop star.
In fact, a lot of jazz's dividends depend on intellectualism. I frequently
hear the music denigrated as "doodling"; that evaluation misses the point.
Maybe improvised music is the ritualistic exploration of possible sonic
outcomes extrapolated from a set of parameters.
Also, assuming it's the artist's choice, I see nothing wrong in "selling
out". Certainly I'd never attack anyone because they'd passed a certain
threshold of public or financial recognition. It's part of the parameters
thing again: whether it's Shostakovich composing to please himself and his
censors, or any songwriter trying to construct a pop ballad, much (more?)
can be said by working within set structures.
But it's a truism that words can't express what music is. Maybe better to
leave it at "cobra live 1995? great record!" (or not) and move on.
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Date: Fri, 6 Oct 2000 23:26:34 -0700 (PDT)
From: Scott Handley <thesubtlebody@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Francisco Lopez
Brian Olewick wrote [vis a vis B. Gunter's music]:
> The fascinating
> thing is when I'm unable to determine whether the
> noise is ambient or
> from the disc. When I first played the Gunter/Duncan
> disc, "Home,
> Unspeakable", I distinctly remember my shock upon
> realizing that sounds
> I assumed to be ambient all of a sudden ended when
> the disc stopped.
This kind of environmental blurring is one the great
pleasures of some of the new music I've been checking
out, though I've yet to hear Gunter's or Lopez's work.
I remember that there was quite a bit of praise for
Robert Ashley's AUTOMATIC WRITING for precisely this
reason---i.e. the sounds have this disturbing
adjacency; I can't remember if that dialogue happened
here or elsewhere, though; all the lists begin to blur
together. :>
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suddenly, simultaneously less and more patience with
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long enough...)
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Date: Sat, 7 Oct 2000 08:23:39 -0500
From: "Don Gunning" <dgunning@mediaone.net>
Subject: Re: week of small miracles
Caleb T. Deupree queried:
> At 06:48 AM 10/7/00 +0200, Francesco Martinelli wrote:
> >anyone interested in this music/sound experiment field should try to
get the
> >new cd by (?) Peter Cusack
>
> Is this the same artist that has a new cd on ReR, Where is the Green
> Parrot? Anyone heard this and care to comment?
I have this, it's a mixture of guitar, bouzouki, and field recordings.
Recordings of things like going shopping in London, visiting a toy
store, travel agency, and guitar shop. Some guitar is layered over
parts of it, also some guitar that was recorded at the guitar shop. The
title piece is bouzouki with an accompaniment of bird songs and calls.
On another subject, I see that Anomalous has released "Aureum" -- a 2 LP
compilation of some of Ora's finest moments from their earlier cassette
releases, my copy is on the way. I sure hope that this won't be the
last we ever hear from Ora.
Don
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Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2000 14:30:48 -0700
From: "Patrice L. Roussel" <proussel@ichips.intel.com>
Subject: help with ATOMIC MILK THROWERS (compilation)
I am looking for some help with the following compilation:
- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
*** - ATOMIC MILK THROWERS: various artists
Arto Lindsay; etc.
1999 - Snowdonia (Italy), ??? (CD)
- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Does anybody own it?
Thanks,
Patrice.
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