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Subject: Zorn List Digest V3 #153
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Zorn List Digest Friday, November 3 2000 Volume 03 : Number 153
In this issue:
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fred lane
re: last night's stillupsteypa / tv pow
Odp: last night's stillupsteypa / tv pow
Jaap Blonk in Sweden (fairly off-topic)
Re: Jaap Blonk in Sweden (fairly off-topic)
Cyd Charise
Re: klezmonauts
drummerz
Schnee (was Re: last night's Stilluppsteypa/TV Pow show)
little David no-soul
Re: little David no-soul
Re: little David no-soul
Re: little David no-soul
Re: little David no-soul
Re: little David no-soul
Re: little David no-soul
Re: little David no-soul
RE: last night's stillupsteypa / tv pow
Fw: BerlinJazzfest
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Date: Fri, 03 Nov 2000 07:00:47 GMT
From: "William York" <william_york@hotmail.com>
Subject: fred lane
>Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2000 13:47:10 EST
>From: Dgasque@aol.com
>Subject: Kinda OT- Rev. Fred Lane
>Just got my CD copies of both Rev. Fred Lane albums on Shimmy Disc. I
>remember reading somewhere the true identities of the musicians behind
>these...ahem...classics. I'm pretty sure Davy/LaDonna Smith and >Chadborne
>being in the list. Can somebody provide a complete list?
wow, what a weird coincedence. i have just gotten these too.
"...ahem...classics..." is a good way to put it. ithere is a new chadbourne
list on egroups.com (don't have the link, sorry) and someone just mentioned
Fred Lane there, too. Someone who recently played with Lane is on there.
What's strange is that when I was listening to that this morning, I was
thinking, "I swear I've heard this voice somewhere" but I don't know where.
I can try to find that link for the Chadbourne list.
WY
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Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2000 01:41:52 -0600 (CST)
From: Whit Schonbein <whit@twinearth.wustl.edu>
Subject: re: last night's stillupsteypa / tv pow
jon abbey writes:
> the last point is more of a personal one. I find that one difference between
> this new wave of electroacoustic improv and much recent experimental acoustic
> improv, is that which musicians are producing which sounds is much less
> important than the soundscape taken as a whole, and that some of the most
> successful combinations are the ones in which individual identity is almost
> entirely submerged
i definitely agree with jon on this one, although the feeling is also
personal. some of the best moments i've ever had making music is when i
myself can't figure out if i'm making the noise i think i'm making,
despite having a pretty good idea of what i think is supposed to be coming
out of my amp (the instrument in this case is tabletop guitar).
evrything blends so perfectly that the musicians themselves can't
associate sounds with sources - the perfect acousmatic experience. i've
also noticed that many of the musicians i've played with who practice
'free improv' of this sort don't listen closely enough to reach this
plateau. that is, it really requires a group effort. but when you hit
it, the rumbling of a truck passing by, or the sipping of water, becomes
as much a part of the music as any other sound in the room. the feeling
tends to stick with you for a while after the event....
i also agree that Particles and Smears on erstwhile captures that feeling,
at least to me. the disc rewards very attentive listening.
whit
np - the sound of my dissertation not being written (sort of like the
sound of one hand clapping, but different)
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Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2000 11:16:20 +0100
From: "Marcin Gokieli" <marcin.gokieli@mospan.pl>
Subject: Odp: last night's stillupsteypa / tv pow
From: Whit Schonbein <whit@twinearth.wustl.edu>
To: <zorn-list@lists.xmission.com>
Sent: Friday, November 03, 2000 8:41 AM
Subject: re: last night's stillupsteypa / tv pow
> i definitely agree with jon on this one, although the feeling is also
> personal. some of the best moments i've ever had making music is when i
> myself can't figure out if i'm making the noise i think i'm making,
> despite having a pretty good idea of what i think is supposed to be coming
> out of my amp (the instrument in this case is tabletop guitar).
Yes, that's a kind of experience that is realy hard to forget. One can read
about troubles with personal identity, ego etc, but when one plays some
intense music everything really disappears. We're left with the noise we
make. That's BTW one of the reasons i doubt about the potenetial of music
made by just one man.
BTW isn't this experience quite similiar to playing in an orchestra?
> plateau. that is, it really requires a group effort. but when you hit
> it, the rumbling of a truck passing by, or the sipping of water, becomes
> as much a part of the music as any other sound in the room. the feeling
> tends to stick with you for a while after the event....
Very well said.
Marcin Gokieli
marcin.gokieli@mospan.pl marcingokieli@go2.pl
Generally speaking, if a philosopher offers to 'dissolve' the problem you
are working on, tell him to go climb a tree - Jerry Fodor
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Date: Fri, 03 Nov 2000 11:42:38 GMT
From: "Arthur Gadney" <a_gadney@hotmail.com>
Subject: Jaap Blonk in Sweden (fairly off-topic)
Hello,
I'm desperately searching for more information about the Jaap Blonk solo
performance in Malm÷, Sweden next Saturday (november 11).
What is the adress of the place, and when does it begin?
ANY help would be greatly appreciated!
THANKS!
ARTHUR_G
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Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2000 14:06:25 +0100
From: "dekater" <dekater@worldonline.nl>
Subject: Re: Jaap Blonk in Sweden (fairly off-topic)
- -----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
Van: Arthur Gadney <a_gadney@hotmail.com>
Aan: zorn-list@lists.xmission.com <zorn-list@lists.xmission.com>
Datum: vrijdag 3 november 2000 12:46
Onderwerp: Jaap Blonk in Sweden (fairly off-topic)
>Hello,
>
>I'm desperately searching for more information about the Jaap Blonk solo
>performance in Malm÷, Sweden next Saturday (november 11).
>What is the adress of the place, and when does it begin?
>
>ANY help would be greatly appreciated!
>
>THANKS!
>ARTHUR_G
Since any help will be appreciated, maybe mailing to Jaap could help you
out:
jablonk@planet.nl
Jan Luyben
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Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2000 08:37:21 EST
From: CuneiWay@aol.com
Subject: Cyd Charise
Davey Williams told me that he was Cyd Charise [bass clarinet]. I'm sure
LaDonna is on it, but I don't know her "nom-de-plume".
WHAT a website. More info on Fred than I could've imagined...
Steve F.
>Just got my CD copies of both Rev. Fred Lane albums on Shimmy Disc. I
>remember reading somewhere the true identities of the musicians behind
>these...ahem...classics. I'm pretty sure Davy/LaDonna Smith and Chadborne
>being in the list. Can somebody provide a complete list?
- -
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Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2000 09:26:52 -0500
From: Joseph Zitt <jzitt@metatronpress.com>
Subject: Re: klezmonauts
On Fri, Nov 03, 2000 at 12:30:34PM +1100, Julian wrote:
> This band has just released a Xmas klezmer cd, sounds kind of like the
> Shirim Klezmer Orchestra (the guys from Naftule's Dream before they were
> Naftule's Dream) doing Xmas carols. Anyone know who's in the band? I
> wouldn't be surprised if maybe some of the members from Naftule's Dream are
> on this cd...
Xmas klezmer?! Oy, gevalt.
Next they'll be putting lard in the matzo balls :-~
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Date: Fri, 03 Nov 2000 11:02:11 -0500
From: kurt_gottschalk@scni.com
Subject: drummerz
in this thread i while back, i hope and trust tony oxley was mentioned.
sleepless and newly indoctrinated,
kg
np: d.d.jackson peace-song
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Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2000 12:24:08 EST
From: JonAbbey2@aol.com
Subject: Schnee (was Re: last night's Stilluppsteypa/TV Pow show)
I'm answering a private question publicly, sorry for any confusion...
<<"in einem jahr mit 13 monden" is the name of a fassbinder movie (released
in
the us as "in a year of 13 moons). does the track relate in any way to the
movie?>>
yes, all four tracks on Schnee are named after and inspired by some of the
musicians' favorite movies, the aforementioned Fassbinder movie, Godard's
Passion, Chris Marker's Sans Soleil (a great movie!), and Barbara Albert's
Nordrand, which is a recent Austrian film.
Jon
www.erstwhilerecords.com
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Date: Fri, 03 Nov 2000 17:54:41 GMT
From: "M. pathos" <mpathos@hotmail.com>
Subject: little David no-soul
Sure, Bowie can play piano. But he can never play jazz - he has no soul. Not
once in his career has he invested any of HIMSELF in his music. Instead, he
has treated art like a quirky investment where if you corner the right
trends soon enough you reap the disproportionate dividends in money and
fame.
(I still thought he was good enough to have my version of "Some Are" (from
Low) released by Virgin on the internet).
By the way, I second the "Talking Music" recommendation.
on 11/1/00 6:37 AM, Joseph Zitt at jzitt@metatronpress.com wrote:
> Bowie toured as Iggy Pop's pianist in the '70s.
>
As did Blue Gene Tyranny at one point.
- --Mike (Who can't recommend Duckworth's _Talking Music_ highly enough)
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Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2000 12:21:15 -0500
From: Joseph Zitt <jzitt@metatronpress.com>
Subject: Re: little David no-soul
On Fri, Nov 03, 2000 at 05:54:41PM +0000, M. pathos wrote:
>
> Sure, Bowie can play piano. But he can never play jazz - he has no soul. Not
> once in his career has he invested any of HIMSELF in his music. Instead, he
> has treated art like a quirky investment where if you corner the right
> trends soon enough you reap the disproportionate dividends in money and
> fame.
Wow, we must be listening to *utterly* different David Bowie records.
I doubt that, if he were utterly devoid of soul, Lester Bowie and Joey
Baron would have played so well with him. Nor that one can quite so
objectively spot what one might call "HIMSELF" in a person's music.
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Date: Fri, 03 Nov 2000 18:22:18 GMT
From: "M. pathos" <mpathos@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: little David no-soul
Show me a stack of money and I'll show you a shitload of "credible"
musicians who'll swarm over it like flies. Bowie can always afford great
session men, just as Christina Aguilera can pay off Dr. John to record with
her (track(s) yet to be released).
Admittedly there is presently no potentiometer for human feeling. Yet surely
anyone who's played, or deeply listened, to music senses when more or less
of a being's blood and flesh is being transmuted into tones.
Joseph Zitt wrote:
I doubt that, if he were utterly devoid of soul, Lester Bowie and Joey
Baron would have played so well with him. Nor that one can quite so
objectively spot what one might call "HIMSELF" in a person's music.
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Date: Fri, 03 Nov 2000 19:26:23 +0100
From: patRice <gda@datacomm.ch>
Subject: Re: little David no-soul
M. pathos wrote:
>
> Show me a stack of money and I'll show you a shitload of "credible"
> musicians who'll swarm over it like flies. Bowie can always afford great
> session men, just as Christina Aguilera can pay off Dr. John to record
not that i want to defend CA, but: it might just as well be that dr.
john simply wants to "shift some more units" and is not being paid off.
maybe he even paid so she'd let him play on those tracks...
patRice
np: naked city, naked city
nr: gilmore, harry partch
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Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2000 13:15:27 -0500
From: Joseph Zitt <jzitt@metatronpress.com>
Subject: Re: little David no-soul
On Fri, Nov 03, 2000 at 06:22:18PM +0000, M. pathos wrote:
> Show me a stack of money and I'll show you a shitload of "credible"
> musicians who'll swarm over it like flies. Bowie can always afford great
> session men, just as Christina Aguilera can pay off Dr. John to record with
> her (track(s) yet to be released).
Show me a successful musician and I'll show you a shitload of naysayers
who will diss his credibility and musicianship.
> Admittedly there is presently no potentiometer for human feeling. Yet surely
> anyone who's played, or deeply listened, to music senses when more or less
> of a being's blood and flesh is being transmuted into tones.
As we hear this music differently, that has been demonstrated not to be
the case.
(Actually, the only case I could think of of a being's blood and flesh
being transmuted into tones would be in the recording of a meatgrinder,
or perhaps the death artist portrayed in Bowie's "1/Outside".)
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Date: Fri, 03 Nov 2000 11:29:25 -0800
From: "Patrice L. Roussel" <proussel@ichips.intel.com>
Subject: Re: little David no-soul
M. Pathetic (oups, I meant M. pathos, sorry for the typo),
On Fri, 03 Nov 2000 18:22:18 GMT "M. pathos" wrote:
>
> Admittedly there is presently no potentiometer for human feeling. Yet surely
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Don't be so modest. You seem capable of the task.
> anyone who's played, or deeply listened, to music senses when more or less
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
I guess this anyone is somebody like you (as opposed to the clueless like
some of us who think that Bowie is relevant as an artist).
> of a being's blood and flesh is being transmuted into tones.
We will try hard to reach you on this high level of consciousness. Don't be
too disappointed if we don't meet your lofty expectections right away. Give
us some time.
Thanks,
Patrice.
PS: BTW, how much would you charge the list to become its official "soul"
thermometer?
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Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2000 14:12:33 -0500
From: Joseph Zitt <jzitt@metatronpress.com>
Subject: Re: little David no-soul
On Fri, Nov 03, 2000 at 11:29:25AM -0800, Patrice L. Roussel wrote:
> PS: BTW, how much would you charge the list to become its official "soul"
> thermometer?
I'm reminded of Eddie Murphy's Saturday Night Live schtick, "James
Brown's Hot Tub Party".
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Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2000 15:42:04 -0800
From: Rich Williams <punkjazz@snet.net>
Subject: Re: little David no-soul
>Show me a stack of money and I'll show you a shitload of "credible"
>musicians who'll swarm over it like flies. Bowie can always afford
>great session men,
And there are lots of "credible" players who appear on albums
for scale or less because they believe in what the artists' doing.
And If I'm not mistaken, all of Bowies "experimental" albums have
sold poorly in comparison to his more conventional stuff. If thats
crass trend-mongering you'd think he'd get the message by now ;-)
>
>Admittedly there is presently no potentiometer for human feeling.
>Yet surely anyone who's played, or deeply listened, to music senses
>when more or less of a being's blood and flesh is being transmuted
>into tones.
If you cant sense the flesh and blood in an album like
Heroes.........you must be damn hard to please.
- -
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Date: Fri, 03 Nov 2000 14:45:43 -0700
From: "Matthew W Wirzbicki (S) " <M_WIRZBICKI@ColoradoCollege.edu>
Subject: RE: last night's stillupsteypa / tv pow
>...when one plays some intense music everything really disappears. We're
>left with the noise we make. That's BTW one of the reasons i doubt about
>the potenetial of music made by just one man...
...who isn't Stavinsky.
(I'm only joking)
>BTW isn't this experience quite similiar to playing in an orchestra?
Personal identity doesn't seem to contribute to the overall soundscape as
readily in orchestral music as in free improv., no? Perhaps some comparison
can be made between the MIMEO situation and an Orchestra (hence the "O" is
suppose) but it seems to me that small groups of classical musicians allow
their personalities to be somewhat consumed in the service of the
"composer's intent" and they can decipher the sounds they are making quite
clearly. The sound is determined in advance for the orchestra member where
as the improvisor must lend his/her personal language and artistic
inclination.
Just what would happen if your boy Stravinsky had sat down with Bartok to
improvise (?)...a mess ?
I think I may have just used up my monthly ramble token.
Matt Wirzbicki
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Date: Sat, 4 Nov 2000 00:16:33 +0100
From: "Friedrich Kapitzke" <fkapitzke@cityweb.de>
Subject: Fw: BerlinJazzfest
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Aki Takase with a all women Jazzprojekt(Carrington fr,Jensen =
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Trevor Watts Moire Music Group---for me to much ethno but fine =
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