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From: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com (Zorn List Digest)
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Subject: Zorn List Digest V3 #146
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Zorn List Digest Sunday, October 29 2000 Volume 03 : Number 146
In this issue:
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Re: Godard ---no zorn
Re: Godard ---no zorn
miles of ... parker
Re: Harry Browne/Libertarian candidate - no Zorn content...
Re: Godard ---no zorn
RE: Zorn List Digest V3 #145
Re: soundtrax
Re: soundtrax
Re: miles of ... parker
thurs tonic?
Sigur Ros
Re: Sigur Ros
Ruiz
Re: Sigur Ros
Cardew/The Great Learning
Re: miles of ... parker
sainkho sountrack
Re: Ruiz
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Date: Sat, 28 Oct 2000 10:43:12 -0400 (EDT)
From: Chris Hodge <hodge@tns.utk.edu>
Subject: Re: Godard ---no zorn
I'm very fond of Aki Kaurismaki's films, esp. for their soundtracks.
- -c
On Tue, 24 Oct 2000 ObviousEye@aol.com wrote:
> sorry this post has no zorn, or other musical, content.
> could anyone aid me in my quest for good films?
> there seem to be so few mainstream films (besides Kubrick, Scorsese, etc.)
> that are worthwhile, so i was thinking about digging into the underworld.
> obviously a name that comes to mind is Godard, so where should i start with
> him?
> what are some others?
>
> any help would be appreciated, and if you don't want to bore the list, send
> correspondence directly to me.
>
> oh, one final question: what is the best, cheapest store to buy movies from?
> online or otherwise.
>
> thanks.
>
> ben
>
> -
>
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Date: Sat, 28 Oct 2000 10:50:13 -0400 (EDT)
From: Chris Hodge <hodge@tns.utk.edu>
Subject: Re: Godard ---no zorn
On Tue, 24 Oct 2000, Lang Thompson wrote:
> Weekend and Helas Pour Moi. My all-time favorite might be Germany Year 90
> Nine Zero and don't ever pass up any segments of Histoire(s) du Cinema but
> those are almost impossible to find.
k
Histoire(s) du Cinema has been released on CD, audio only (perversely),
with still images. I think it is one of thegreatest films ever
made. Germany is also rare and wonderful, and Weekend has been one of my
favorites since I first saw it almost 25 years ago.
- -
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Date: Sat, 28 Oct 2000 11:44:25 EDT
From: Acousticlv@aol.com
Subject: miles of ... parker
In a message dated 10/27/00 12:18:04 PM, you wrote:
<<HE DIDN'T SAY THAT DID HE? SOMEONE SAY IT AIN'T SO!!!
MILES DAVIS AND FRANK ZAPPA.....A WASTE?>>
yeah he did. despite that i plunked down a hunnerd yday
in a compulsive box-frenzy (i was originally planning to get
the zorn/eye thingie ages ago) for the miles/coltrane
and the new supremes 4cd set with the ltd ed [unnumbered] bonus live disc),
i confess i always like miss ross better than miles.
both arrogant assholes, but i never liked miles' (trumpet) tone;
the emma kirkby of jazz... thin, no vibrato... tho i like kirkby.
slowly growing on me somewhat...
as for both sets, given the 'deluxe' boxes they're in,
why the hell couldnt they preoop the original labels too. arrggh
as for zappa, the mothers stuff was brilliant until it became
sophomore cheechnchong stupidness for (immature) kidz.
that doesnt negate his brilliant stuff;
just the need to acquire all.
after weasels, all ya really need is the one song "montana"
and a few bootlegs and the guitar only stuff.
as far as being a completist, when wkcr did their evan parker marathon,
i confess i did not sleep those three days, cassetting the whole thing with
alarms
making me up every 45 minutes to flip or change the tape.
now evan is more profilic than james brown in the early 70s.
stil, i want it all. hell, i even replay the 60m conversation i had with evan
abt native american culture and art. he has some unreleased stuff collabbing
with native amer musicians. lost when the nato label became lost.
steve koenig
LaFolia.com; JazzWeekly.com
n.p. : Jeanne Lee & Archie Shepp/ west wind label-> might as well be called
bootleg cuz it is
- -
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Date: Sat, 28 Oct 2000 09:19:59 -0700
From: Jeffrey Zima <bungle28@pacbell.net>
Subject: Re: Harry Browne/Libertarian candidate - no Zorn content...
I can't believe it !! another libertarian - card-carrying member since 1994.
"Z"
Theo Klaase wrote:
> www.harrybrowne.org
>
> Vote libertarian...smaller government is better government...
>
> =====
> -That which is Theodorus "Good bye sober day, hello milky way..."www.freeyellow.com/members7/theodorus/index.html
>
> __________________________________________________
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> -
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Date: Sat, 28 Oct 2000 16:08:13 -0400
From: Lang Thompson <wlt4@mindspring.com>
Subject: Re: Godard ---no zorn
>Histoire(s) du Cinema has been released on CD, audio only (perversely),
Has anybody heard this? I've been tempted to buy it just because the
rights issues with the original videos will probably prevent any official
release (if you've seen them you'll understand why).
Lang
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Date: Sat, 28 Oct 2000 15:35:43 -0300
From: "Gabriel Lichtmann" <la_lichuza@bancaria.net.ar>
Subject: RE: Zorn List Digest V3 #145
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2000 09:32:19 -0700
> From: "Patrice L. Roussel" <proussel@ichips.intel.com>
> Subject: Re: Godard ---no zorn
>
> On Fri, 27 Oct 2000 12:02:36 -0300 Linares Hugo wrote:
> >
> > > All the godard movies are great (because he is the greatest), but y=
ou
may
> > >
> > [Linares Hugo]
> > Don't want to start a Godard-thread but asumming this French
> > filmmaker as an important personality in the alternative-movie moveme=
nt,
I'd
> > be more careful to make such an affirmation considering the existence=
of
> > Bergman, Burton, Kiorastami, Kitano, and the list goes on.
>
> Without falling in the almost obscure: Hitchcock. Who was so good that
> Truffaut found it smart to use him to dismiss the totallity of the Engl=
ish
> movie industry (Hithcock being the exception which was supposed to conf=
irm
> his "rule").
>
> Patrice.
Let=B4s not forget Orson Welles, who I think was the greatest (and
biggest, hah) filmmaker there ever was. I am still amazed by his films af=
ter
seeing them hundreds of times, especially by "Touch of Evil", which, by t=
he
way, works better without the Henry Mancini score at the beggining.
And I have to disagree with Hugo, althoug I love many of the filmmakers y=
ou
named I think Godard ranks higher, even higher than Bergman (which, as my
fellow countrymen on this list know, is an argentinian passion as big as
soccer).
I think this whole film thread is loosely Zorn related, since the ma=
n
himself has expressed a big love for films.
- -
------------------------------
Date: Sat, 28 Oct 2000 20:34:21 -0400
From: "J Loud" <kubrick@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: soundtrax
> I dig pretty much anything by Howard Shore, especially when he's
> working with David Cronenburg. His score to "Scanners", which I raved
about
> the last time this subject came up on the list, remains an all-time fave,
> and one of the spookiest pieces of music I own.
I've been looking for that soundtrack for sometime. Do you have the original
LP or do you have it on some compilation of horror themes ( I thought I saw
it on one of those). Curious ?
J Loud
- -
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Date: Sat, 28 Oct 2000 18:09:15 -0700
From: improv@peak.org (Dave Trenkel)
Subject: Re: soundtrax
At 8:34 PM 10/28/00, J Loud wrote:
>> I dig pretty much anything by Howard Shore, especially when he's
>> working with David Cronenburg. His score to "Scanners", which I raved
>about
>> the last time this subject came up on the list, remains an all-time fave,
>> and one of the spookiest pieces of music I own.
>
>I've been looking for that soundtrack for sometime. Do you have the original
>LP or do you have it on some compilation of horror themes ( I thought I saw
>it on one of those). Curious ?
>
>J Loud
>
>-
It's on a CD called "Dead Ringers:Symphonic Suites from the films of David
Cronenberg", on Silva Screen, catalog # FILMCD115, released 1992. Was still
in print about a year ago, because a friend was able to order it then. It
combines Dead Ringers, The Brood and Scanners, all by Shore, and is all
pretty worthwhile.
____________________________________________
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____________________________________________
- -
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Date: Sat, 28 Oct 2000 21:16:16 EDT
From: User384726@aol.com
Subject: Re: miles of ... parker
In a message dated 10/28/2000 10:45:29 AM Central Daylight Time,
Acousticlv@aol.com writes:
<< as for zappa, the mothers stuff was brilliant until it became
sophomore cheechnchong stupidness for (immature) kidz.
that doesnt negate his brilliant stuff;
just the need to acquire all. >>
Why do many people think Zappa's "good" stuff stopped with the mothers? I
have yet to purchase a Zappa album with all bad songs (and I have about
fifty-five). The "cheechnchong stupidness for (immature) kidz," as you
refereed to it, I'd consider more satire. In Bobby Brown off "Shiek
Yourbouti" there is not one line that is not tongue in cheek. The majestic
synth horns under the words "Oh God I am the American Dream." Or listen to
Wet-T-Shirt night off "Joe's Garage." The final line is "Isn't what life's
all about" (I may have screwed it up a little but you get the jist). And a
lot of his Synclavier music (Meets the Mothers of Prevention and Jazz from
Hell) is often instrumental. Other then some titles ala G-Spot Tornado and
Porn Wars (both are amazing tunes) there is nothing very childish about that
music. And the Yellow Shark album is amazing. I do see that Zappa music
changed since the Mothers but if he kept making Weasels or even Uncle Meets I
wouldn't need so much of his music. I love both the early stuff and the
later stuff. I let it complement each other instead of compare or set a
standard.
Aaron Solomon
- -
------------------------------
Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2000 01:52:24 EST
From: XRedbirdxx@aol.com
Subject: thurs tonic?
can anyone offer a review of thursday's cobra at tonic? who was playing? and
what was the "deconstructionist" theme all about, if anything? J
- -
------------------------------
Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2000 21:21:45 +1030
From: "sinkas" <sinkas@camtech.net.au>
Subject: Sigur Ros
Hi there,
Just wondering if anyone here has heard of this Icelandic Group, I =
picked up theri name form a issue of the Wire, and have downlaoded a few =
tracks from Napster, and its really great stuff, very atmospheric.
Case
"Alma Matters"
- -
------------------------------
Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2000 11:12:05 -0000
From: "Alastair Wilson" <wilsonah@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Sigur Ros
Their web-site at www.sigur-ros.com tells you most of what you need to know,
with sound samples. I've heard them compared to My Bloody Valentine crossed
with the Coctea Twins.
They've released two "proper" albums and a remix album. I recommend their
latest album "agaetis byrjun" , which has not long been released in England,
but has been out in Iceland for over a year. Their first album does not have
the keyboard player, so sounds different, but has the towering "Hon Jord" on
it. The "Ny Battery" single is worthwhile also - 20 minutes of
songs/atmospherics which turn into a scary prog beast at the end.
I've seen them three times, and they just get better and better. Last time I
saw them was at the Union Chapel - a very atmospheric venue. Added to their
usual four-piece sound (drums, usually with mallets/bass/organ/guitar, often
with a violin bow) was a string quartet who fleshed out the songs on the
album to great effect. Their second set was all new stuff, and was so
beautiful I nearly cried. Can't wait for the new record. If'n when they come
to your town, drop everything.
- ----- Original Message -----
From: sinkas <sinkas@camtech.net.au>
To: <zorn-list@lists.xmission.com>
Sent: Sunday, October 29, 2000 10:51 AM
Subject: Sigur Ros
Hi there,
Just wondering if anyone here has heard of this Icelandic Group, I picked
up theri name form a issue of the Wire, and have downlaoded a few tracks
from Napster, and its really great stuff, very atmospheric.
Case
"Alma Matters"
- -
- -
------------------------------
Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2000 11:50:55 GMT
From: "Arthur Gadney" <a_gadney@hotmail.com>
Subject: Ruiz
Someone mentioned that the director of "The Golden Boat" Paul Ruiz (not sure
about spelling and title) was concidered "post-Godard".
What would that be? As far as I understand, Godard's main idea was the
destruction of film itself, untill only the empty screen was left.
How does a film maker go beyond that?
ARTHUR_G (no big film expert, I know!)
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Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2000 09:35:47 -0500
From: Mathieu Belanger <belanmat@MAGELLAN.UMontreal.CA>
Subject: Re: Sigur Ros
Hello,
>I recommend their latest album "agaetis byrjun" , which has not long been
>released in England,
Wasn't it released on August 14th? I haven't had a chance to listen to it
completly yet, but there are some very good songs on it. Some others are not
as powerful though... Anyway, if you like music with a lot of emotions and
some bands in this whole "post-rock" thing (I hate this word!) like mogwai
and godspeed you black emperor! (even though they are anything but a "post-
rock" band in my opinion), chances are you will like Sigur Ros. I still
prefer gybe! but that's another story...
Tschuss,
Mathieu
- -
------------------------------
Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2000 09:45:40 -0500
From: Brian Olewnick <olewnik@idt.net>
Subject: Cardew/The Great Learning
Does anyone have an accurate personnel listing for either the original
recording on DG (just re-released on Organ of Corti) or the 1981
additional track on the re-release? The liner notes mention only a few
composers who were present. I thought I heard, for example, a voice that
sounded a lot like Julie Tippetts in Paragraph 7. That piece, btw,
strikes me as being a possible influence on some sections of Keith
Tippetts' "Septober Energy".
Also, does anyone have an opinion on the work of Hugh Shrapnel (great
name), one of the composers who appears?
Thanks,
Brian Olewnick
NP: Perlon
- -
------------------------------
Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2000 10:16:14 EST
From: Nudeants@aol.com
Subject: Re: miles of ... parker
I agree, I think its just too easy to dismiss all post original Mothers
stuff. I mean, if you want to hear good, more than just-competent playing
from a band you'd almost have to venture past - not that I don't love the
original Mothers albums. I pretty much like it all, as well.
- -matt mitchell
In a message dated 10/28/00 8:16:57 PM Eastern Standard Time,
User384726@aol.com writes:
<< Why do many people think Zappa's "good" stuff stopped with the mothers? I
have yet to purchase a Zappa album with all bad songs (and I have about
fifty-five). The "cheechnchong stupidness for (immature) kidz," as you
refereed to it, I'd consider more satire. In Bobby Brown off "Shiek
Yourbouti" there is not one line that is not tongue in cheek. The majestic
synth horns under the words "Oh God I am the American Dream." Or listen to
Wet-T-Shirt night off "Joe's Garage." The final line is "Isn't what life's
all about" (I may have screwed it up a little but you get the jist). And a
lot of his Synclavier music (Meets the Mothers of Prevention and Jazz from
Hell) is often instrumental. Other then some titles ala G-Spot Tornado and
Porn Wars (both are amazing tunes) there is nothing very childish about that
music. And the Yellow Shark album is amazing. I do see that Zappa music
changed since the Mothers but if he kept making Weasels or even Uncle Meets
I
wouldn't need so much of his music. I love both the early stuff and the
later stuff. I let it complement each other instead of compare or set a
standard. >>
- -
------------------------------
Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2000 10:33:01 EST
From: Acousticlv@aol.com
Subject: sainkho sountrack
hi gang
i was listening to a jazz disc and heard a riff and then suddenly
i remembered why it was so familiar;
perhaps of my favorite instrumental sounds track (save two vocal tunes)
trouble man, by marvin gaye.
also- just out from leo-
i havent heard it yet- a sound track called 'tenemos'
with three vocalists-
sainkho namtchylak, shelley hirsch, and catherine bott.
havent played it yet, but im expecting a lot.
yrs
steve koenig
n.p.: satleh (tzadik) since im not going to tonic's klezmer brunch today
- -
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Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2000 11:00:53 -0500
From: Lang Thompson <wlt4@mindspring.com>
Subject: Re: Ruiz
>What would that be? As far as I understand, Godard's main idea was the
>destruction of film itself, untill only the empty screen was left.
Sorry but that's not Godard. He was given to slogans like "end of cinema"
but this was more a conceptual ground clearing; if anything he was aiming
at repressively conventional cinema, what in France was called the
tradition of quality and in the US would generally be Oscar winning films.
(There have been a few empty screen-type filmmakers: the Lettrists (before
Godard generally), Tony Conrad's flicker films, some of Brakhage's work,
some Fluxus, and perhaps in a roundabout way early Warhol: about an hour in
"Empire" might as well be empty.) Not only has Godard been incredibly
prolific but he's always promoted his favorite filmmakers so it's clear he
has no real desire for destruction or emptiness (he's no nihilist). Rent
any of his films to get an idea: some are certainly better than others but
I'm not aware of any that are atypical (except possibly "Letter to Jane"
which you won't find anyway).
As for Ruiz, he's picked up, intentionally or not, some elements of
Godard's practice: prolific filmography (Ruiz sometimes does two or three
features a year), inexpensive shooting habits, alternation of work on film
and on video, a refusal/inability to separate "high" and "low" culture, a
quirky political consciousness, a fascination with signs (in the semiotic
sense though neither are academic filmmakers), even some sense of exile
(Ruiz from Chile, Godard more complexly but he's a Swiss citizen). But
Ruiz is clearly no imitator since you'd never confuse their work. Ruiz has
a stronger narrative sense though it's so bound up with doubles and dreams
that it's just as arbitrary/unsettled as Godard's. (You can get a good
sense in the witty English-language schlock "Shattered Image" though the
best Ruiz I've seen is "Geneaologies of a Crime." Also worth checking out
is the accessible "Three Lives and Only One Death" (based on a Hawthorne
story that's one of my all-time favorites" and the cryptic "On Top of the
Whale." One of the easiest to find is also one of his worst "The Golden
Boat." If you ever get a chance for "Manuel on the Isle of Wonders" don't
pass it up.) It's also impossible to imagine Godard recognizably adapting
Proust.
Lang
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