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From: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com (Zorn List Digest) To: zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: Zorn List Digest V3 #128 Reply-To: zorn-list Sender: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk Zorn List Digest Friday, October 20 2000 Volume 03 : Number 128 In this issue: - =?iso-8859-1?Q?Re=3A_Pr=E9vost?= comments request no self-control (no ZOrn, little Branigan); Prevost Re: Odp: What is the Worst Zorn Release? Re: Jim Black's ALASNOAXIS (review) Re: What was I thinking? (again no obvious Zorn content...but maybe) Re: What was I thinking? (and a Rozie question) Re: Rozie question Re: What was I thinking? (and a Rozie question) sex mob & viper house Re: Rozie question Rozie Brothers RE: What was I thinking? (again no obvious Zorn content...but may be) Re: What was I thinking? (again no obvious Zorn content...but maybe) Re: What was I thinking? (again no obvious Zorn content...but maybe) Re: What was I thinking? (again no obvious Zorn content...but may be) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2000 11:16:05 +0200 From: Pascal Cortes <Pascal.Cortes@dstu.univ-montp2.fr> Subject: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Re=3A_Pr=E9vost?= At 03:55 20/10/00 EDT, JonAbbey2@aol.com wrote: > >In a message dated 10/20/00 3:48:14 AM, steve@IMS.Uni-Stuttgart.DE writes: > ><< How does Eddie Pr=E9vost pronounce his name -- PREEvost, PRAYvost, >priVOST, prayVOST, or some other way? >> > >I was saying priVOST this past weekend, but I'm not positive that's= correct. > >Jon >www.erstwhilerecords.com Well, as his name seems to have french roots, you may want to pronounce it the french way... which could be approximated by something like "PRAY-VO" (no EE, no ST).=20 But I'm not positive that's correct... Pascal. - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2000 11:22:30 +0200 (DST) From: Emmanouil Papagiannakis <papagian@nat.vu.nl> Subject: comments request Anyone willing to post comments on Xu-Feng and/or the new Charms of the Night Sky? thanks, manolis - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2000 11:29:39 +0200 From: solutions@archigraph.at Subject: no self-control (no ZOrn, little Branigan); Prevost > So, a question for you all - when did *you* realise that your music > obsession was out of control? when I bought two copies of the Merzbox -- the 2nd in case the discs in the= =20 1st ever wear out or I spill too much bong-water on the T-shirt "I, I live among the creatures of the night I haven't got the will to try= =20 and fight..." > How does Eddie Pr=E9vost pronounce his name -- PREEvost, PRAYvost, > priVOST, prayVOST, or some other way? ah axed him a coupla years ago and I think that he told me it was PREV-oh.= =20=20 a descendent of the mighty Huguenots. - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2000 10:21:11 GMT From: "Arthur Gadney" <a_gadney@hotmail.com> Subject: Re: Odp: What is the Worst Zorn Release? > > > <Knitting Factory Cobra and "Taboo & Exile". I think the live "Cobra" suffers from poor sound quality. Makes it difficult for me to enjoy. The vocal only tracks, are great and amazing though! "Taboo and Exile" is nice I think. But I was expecting MUCH more, especially from the tracks with Dave Lombardo. So my question is: Is "Xu Feng" the experimental Lombardo record we have been waiting for????? I saw him play live with the Laswell, Frith, Zorn quartet and it was fun, but he was hardly a good improvisor! But maybe it will work better within one of these gamepieces?? ARTHUG_G _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2000 12:48:22 +0200 (MET DST) From: stephen.fruitman@idehist.umu.se (Stephen Fruitman) Subject: Re: Jim Black's ALASNOAXIS (review) I have a copy up for trade if anyone is interested. All the best, Stephen (who just received a shipment of Tzadik material and thinks that _Tanz_ by Tim Sparks and Jamie Saft=B4s _Sovlanut_ are just wonderful in their very different ways). Stephen Fruitman Dept of Historical Studies Ume=E5 University SE-901 87 Ume=E5 Sweden - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2000 04:10:54 -0700 From: Lon Huber <lonh@floatingglowinghead.com> Subject: Re: What was I thinking? (again no obvious Zorn content...but maybe) Now I feel weird. My habit is not out of control. Is there something wrong with me? When I started making decent money, I noticed a tendency to buy CDs impulsively. I shortly realized that it was pointless if I wasn't enjoying what I bought, and put the brakes on it. I do own more CDs than I've listened to, but I catch up, generally, before buying many more, and in particular will not buy one by a given artist if I've still got CDs by that artist I haven't heard yet. Not quite the same situation with the DVDs, but that's intentional. I like to have a couple dozen on hand I haven't seen, so that if I get the urge to watch a movie late at night, I've got a number from which to choose. I'm just not a collector, I guess. If it's something I'm not going to use - be it a CD, book, or video - I don't tend to want it around. Sick, huh? Lon - Floating Glowing Head + + + + + + + + + + + + + + www.floatingglowinghead.com - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2000 14:18:05 +0200 From: "Mads Ruby" <ruby@telefona.dk> Subject: Re: What was I thinking? (and a Rozie question) >- >That reminds me of a poster awhile back=20 >who said his collection is divided between those he's never heard and = those=20 >he's heard at least once. The cds he never heard were the bigger half. = I can=20 >hear him telling his wife, "Honey, I'm going out to buy a bunch more = cds. I=20 >only have a couple thousand that I haven't heard. Need to stock up." = Cheers, > John Threadgould > Hmnn, that sounds a little ridiculous - Usually I never buy more CDs = than I=B4m able to listen to, but recently I bought part of a vinyl = collection from this old jazz collector who didn=B4t care about vinyl = anymore. I got 75 incredibly cool albums for $30. And I really must say = that there is something absolutely wonderful about having a huge stack = of albums in reserve for a rainy day. So for the last month or so I=B4ve = indulged myself in Sun Ra, Albert Ayler, Archie Shepp and Zorn albums. = Frank Lowe, Geri Allen and Lester Bowie are still waiting. One album really surprised me though: Afro Algonquin by Rick Rozie, Lee = Rozie and Rashied Ali (Moers Music 1980). Really intense and inspired = playing. I have never come across these Rozie guys before. Just = wondering if anybody on the list know them and have any suggestions for = further listening - got this feeling I=B4ve been missing out on = something really cool Regards, Mads Ruby np: Contortions: Buy - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2000 14:31:41 CEST From: "Andreas Dietz" <andreasdietz@hotmail.com> Subject: Re: Rozie question >From: "Mads Ruby" <ruby@telefona.dk> >One album really surprised me though: Afro Algonquin by Rick Rozie, Lee >Rozie and Rashied Ali (Moers Music 1980). Really intense and inspired >playing. I have never come across these Rozie guys before. Just wondering >if anybody on the list know them and have any suggestions for further >listening - got this feeling I┤ve been missing out on something really cool I┤ve seen this band at the time in some concerts - really amazing as the LP. Lee Rozie later played with the Decoding Society but I┤ve never heard of him since 1981/82. Rick Rozie worked with Muhal and James Newton in the mid-eighties - but after that? Andreas _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2000 14:44:24 +0200 (MET DST) From: Steve Berman <steve@IMS.Uni-Stuttgart.DE> Subject: Re: What was I thinking? (and a Rozie question) >>>>> "Mads" == Mads Ruby <ruby@telefona.dk> writes: Mads> One album really surprised me though: Afro Algonquin by Rick Mads> Rozie, Lee Rozie and Rashied Ali (Moers Music 1980). Really Mads> intense and inspired playing. I have never come across these Mads> Rozie guys before. Just wondering if anybody on the list Mads> know them and have any suggestions for further listening - Mads> got this feeling I┤ve been missing out on something really Mads> cool I have three records with Rick Rozie, two which I like quite a bit: Barry Altschul _For Stu_ (Soul Note) and Chico Freeman _No Time Left_ (Black Saint), and one which I don't like very much: World Bass Violin Ensemble _BASSically Yours_ (Black Saint). - --Steve Berman - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2000 09:12:17 -0400 From: "Bob Kowalski" <BKowalski@genetics.com> Subject: sex mob & viper house Some one asked about a review one of the Sex Mob releases - I'd be = interested as well. Have recently caught them live in Burlington VT and = they were great. Sax/Bass/Drums only - is this the usual line up? They = remind me of the fantastic Vermont (Burlington I believe) based Viper = House, who have two excellent cds out (at least one of which is on the = Magic Hat label ! Yeah!) Not so sure about the rest of the list discussion but the reviews are = always keepers - nature of Zorn perhaps lends itself to many tangents, but = the reviews are usually right on! Happy listening Bob - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2000 09:27:48 -0400 From: "George Scala" <gscala@carolina.rr.com> Subject: Re: Rozie question Here's a quick Rozie discography from the Lord cd-rom. any others? George Scala http://www.mindspring.com/~scala Donald Alexander Strachan and the Freedom Ensemble Soul Translation Triad 001 5/24/75 Lee Rozie Trio Afro Algonquin Moers Music 01078 5/27/80 Lee, Rick Saheb Sarbib and his Multinational Big Band Live at the Public Theatre CJR 1001 10/17/80 Lee Ronald Shannon Jackson & the Decoding Society Nasty Moers Music 01086 3/23/81 Lee Ronald Shannon Jackson & the Decoding Society Street Priest Moers Music 01096 6/13/81 Lee Saheb Sarbib and his Multinational Big Band Aisha CJR 1010 7/81 Lee Ronald Shannon Jackson & the Decoding Society Mandance Antilles 1008 6/82 Lee Ronald Shannon Jackson Taboo Virgin CDVE47 1990 Lee Allan Jaffe Soundscape Kromel 1001 10/1/78 Rick Barry Altschul Quartet For Stu Soul Note 1015 2/18/79 Rick Anthony Davis/James Newton Quartet Hidden Voices India Navigation 1041 3/79 Rick Chico Freeman Quartet No Time Left Black Saint 0036 6/8/79 Rick Anthony Davis Episteme Gramavision 8101 1981 Rick Anthony Davis Variations in Dream Time India Navigation 1056 1982 Rick Anthony Davis Hemispheres Gramavision 8303 7/83 Rick Muhal Richard Abrams Orchestra Rejoicing with the Light Black Saint 0071 1/8/83 Rick James Newton The African Flower Blue Note 85109 6/24/85 Rick James Newton Romance and Revolution Blue Note 85134 8/20/86 Rick Various Artists (Mixashawn and Word Out) Jazz in the Wilde University of Harvard CD (no #) 9/23/95 Rick - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2000 08:57:22 -0500 From: "Robert A. Pleshar" <rpleshar@midway.uchicago.edu> Subject: Rozie Brothers Ah, Afro Algonquin is one of my favorite unheralded "free jazz" records. I find it truly wonderful every time I listen to it. The sax playing Rozie brother (Lee, I think) also played in Ronald Shannon Jackson's Decoding Scoeity in the early 80s and the bass playing one (Rick?) showed up on records here and there from the same era. I haven't seen or heard their names in a while. Anyone know what they are up to? Rob At 02:18 PM 10/20/00 +0200, Mads Ruby wrote: >One album really surprised me though: Afro Algonquin by Rick Rozie, Lee Rozie and Rashied Ali (Moers Music 1980). Really intense and inspired playing. I have never come across these Rozie guys before. Just wondering if anybody on the list know them and have any suggestions for further listening - got this feeling I=B4ve been missing out on something really= cool - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2000 07:56:23 -0700 From: mcizon@800.com Subject: RE: What was I thinking? (again no obvious Zorn content...but may be) This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. - ------_=_NextPart_001_01C03AA5.E9E9101E Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" The depth of my hopeless addiction has hit home three times (once this past weekend): 1.) When I "discovered" Brazilian pop music (Caetano, Gilberto, Gal, Mutantes, etc.) and ordered a total of 40 CDs from at least 10 different stores and catalogs. Half of them arrived on my doorstep in a single afternoon. Frightening. I'm lucky internet shopping wasn't too common at that time - as it'd have probably been much, much worse. (I still go to dustygroove weekly to see what they've gotten in recently.) 2.) A local record store went out of business and had a huge (40-60% off) sale on everything. This was about half a year ago. Anyway, I picked up the first Stax singles box ($60), the Mingus Atlantic box ($40), the Conrad Early Minimalism box ($15), and an additional 30 CDs, both used and new, for less than what that Stax box would've cost new. A true "High Fidelity" moment. 3.) Last weekend I went to Warehouse Music out in the 'burbs and came across 20 CDs in their $3.99 and under bin that I've been wanting. You know, stuff like Prince's "Dirty Mind" and "Indestructible Beat of Soweto, Vol. 3" that I've been putting off forever. Sure, it didn't cost me too much but I have a good month of music to wade through. As someone mentioned earlier, I don't EVEN want to go into what happened when I was introduced to the Downtown/Lower East Side scene. Oy. Murray - ------_=_NextPart_001_01C03AA5.E9E9101E Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> <HTML> <HEAD> <META HTTP-EQUIV=3D"Content-Type" CONTENT=3D"text/html; = charset=3Diso-8859-1"> <META NAME=3D"Generator" CONTENT=3D"MS Exchange Server version = 5.5.2650.12"> <TITLE>RE: What was I thinking? (again no obvious Zorn content...but = maybe)</TITLE> </HEAD> <BODY> The depth of my hopeless addiction has hit home three = times (once this past weekend): 1.) When I "discovered" Brazilian pop music = (Caetano, Gilberto, Gal, Mutantes, etc.) and ordered a total of 40 CDs = from at least 10 different stores and catalogs. Half of them arrived on = my doorstep in a single afternoon. Frightening. I'm lucky internet = shopping wasn't too common at that time - as it'd have probably been = much, much worse. (I still go to dustygroove weekly to see what they've = gotten in recently.) 2.) A local record store went out of business and had = a huge (40-60% off) sale on everything. This was about half a year ago. = Anyway, I picked up the first Stax singles box ($60), the Mingus = Atlantic box ($40), the Conrad Early Minimalism box ($15), and an = additional 30 CDs, both used and new, for less than what that Stax box = would've cost new. A true "High Fidelity" moment. 3.) Last weekend I went to Warehouse Music out in the = 'burbs and came across 20 CDs in their $3.99 and under bin that I've = been wanting. You know, stuff like Prince's "Dirty Mind" and = "Indestructible Beat of Soweto, Vol. 3" that I've been = putting off forever. Sure, it didn't cost me too much but I have a good = month of music to wade through. As someone mentioned earlier, I don't EVEN want to go = into what happened when I was introduced to the Downtown/Lower East = Side scene. Oy. Murray </BODY> </HTML> - ------_=_NextPart_001_01C03AA5.E9E9101E-- - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2000 08:02:26 -0700 From: William Crump <william@steno.com> Subject: Re: What was I thinking? (again no obvious Zorn content...but maybe) > > So, a question for you all - when did *you* realise that your music > obsession was out of control? And did you care? > When Planet Music first opened in Memphis, and I went and bought 54 CDs. William Crump - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2000 08:32:45 -0700 From: "Patrice L. Roussel" <proussel@ichips.intel.com> Subject: Re: What was I thinking? (again no obvious Zorn content...but maybe) On Thu, 19 Oct 2000 22:28:48 EDT Dgasque@aol.com wrote: > > In a message dated Thu, 19 Oct 2000 8:12:20 PM Eastern Daylight Time, > "Alastair Wilson" <wilsonah@hotmail.com> writes: > > << So, a question for you all - when did *you* realise that your music > obsession was out of control? And did you care? When I realized that I had more excitement to buy records than to listen to them, it was a clear sign that something wrong was going on... Patrice. - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2000 11:32:58 EDT From: Samerivertwice@aol.com Subject: Re: What was I thinking? (again no obvious Zorn content...but may be) Hi, my name is Tom and I'm a musicholic. "Hi Tom." Obsession has reared its ugly head in my life on a number occasions. First, as a child, when I got into heavy metal. Then later, as a teen, when I discovered Zappa, punk and jazz. I bought many many many albums and listened to them repeatedly. THEN I got into a crazy silly Tom Waits/Elvis Costello phase. This is where the trouble really started. It was innocent enough. I bought both Waits's and Elvis's entire official catalogue. I bought singles. I bought spin-off one-shot contributions to other artists' albums. I bought all of the albums Elvis produced (The Specials, The Pogues, Squeeze). Gradually, I put Waits on the back burner and concentrated full time on Costello. All of this was harmless, garden variety fanaticism. Then I discovered bootlegs. Picture a drug pusher approaching a 13 year old with a vial of crack and saying, "Here, try this. It'll make you feel like Superman." He tries, he's hooked. Life will never be the same. That's what happened when my friend Craig said, "I have an Elvis Costello bootleg you can have." It was "Elvis Went to Washington DC and Rockpile Didn't," a spastic performance from Elvis' adrenaline-fueled angry young man phase, 1978. My ascent (descent?) increased exponentially after that. I feverishly collected every show I could get my hands on. I catalogued, sorted, and organized my boots like an bank accountant. After my collection swelled to over 1000 hours of live Elvis Costello material I prayed and hoped for him to retire to Fiji, the one small spot of land on this planet where I didn't have an Elvis boot connection. Now I have an entire room in my home that stores my Elvis collection -- posters, CDs, albums, t-shirts, buttons, and stacks and stacks of cassettes all housed in suitcases. I had a similar, though less fanatical, episode for a couple of years involving the Beatles and Dylan. Both stopped at 100 or so boots. Dylan's official catalogue alone rivals Zorns, though. Discovering Zorn and the Downtown scene is yet another monkey on my back. He and his cohorts now occupy an ever-increasing corner of my Elvis room. The stacks get higher all the time, and my house seems smaller everyday. Is there a 12-step program? Have a nice day, Tom In a message dated 10/20/00 10:58:09 AM Eastern Daylight Time, mcizon@800.com writes: << The depth of my hopeless addiction has hit home three times (once this past weekend): 1.) When I "discovered" Brazilian pop music (Caetano, Gilberto, Gal, Mutantes, etc.) and ordered a total of 40 CDs from at least 10 different stores and catalogs. Half of them arrived on my doorstep in a single afternoon. Frightening. I'm lucky internet shopping wasn't too common at that time - as it'd have probably been much, much worse. (I still go to dustygroove weekly to see what they've gotten in recently.) 2.) A local record store went out of business and had a huge (40-60% off) sale on everything. This was about half a year ago. Anyway, I picked up the first Stax singles box ($60), the Mingus Atlantic box ($40), the Conrad Early Minimalism box ($15), and an additional 30 CDs, both used and new, for less than what that Stax box would've cost new. A true "High Fidelity" moment. 3.) Last weekend I went to Warehouse Music out in the 'burbs and came across 20 CDs in their $3.99 and under bin that I've been wanting. You know, stuff like Prince's "Dirty Mind" and "Indestructible Beat of Soweto, Vol. 3" that I've been putting off forever. Sure, it didn't cost me too much but I have a good month of music to wade through. As someone mentioned earlier, I don't EVEN want to go into what happened when I was introduced to the Downtown/Lower East Side scene. Oy. Murray >> - - ------------------------------ End of Zorn List Digest V3 #128 ******************************* To unsubscribe from zorn-list-digest, send an email to "majordomo@lists.xmission.com" with "unsubscribe zorn-list-digest" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. A non-digest (direct mail) version of this list is also available; to subscribe to that instead, replace all instances of "zorn-list-digest" in the commands above with "zorn-list". Back issues are available for anonymous FTP from ftp.xmission.com, in pub/lists/zorn-list/archive. These are organized by date. Problems? Email the list owner at zorn-list-owner@lists.xmission.com