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Zorn List Digest       Friday, October 20 2000       Volume 03 : Number 127



In this issue:
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       Re: What was I thinking? (again no obvious Zorn content...but maybe)
       Re: Zero Masada once more...
       Re: Crimson
       Re: What was I thinking? (again no obvious Zorn content...but maybe)
       Re: What was I thinking? (again no obvious Zorn content...but maybe)
       Re: What was I thinking? (again no obvious Zorn content...but maybe)
       RE: What was I thinking? (again no obvious Zorn content...but maybe)
       Re: What was I thinking? (again no obvious Zorn content...but maybe)
       Barre, PrΘvost (Re: berne/enten eller)
       Re: Re: Naked City / Masada
       =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Re:=20Barre,=20Pr=E9vost=20(Re:=20berne/enten=20e?= =?ISO-8859-1?Q?ller)?=
       Odp: K.C.
       Odp: absinthe live?
       Odp: What was I thinking? (again no obvious Zorn content...but maybe)
       Odp: Odp: What is the Worst Zorn Release?
       Odp: Metropolis(Non-Zorn related)
       Odp: Odp: Zero Masada would be enough
       Re: Odp: Zero Masada would be enough
       Re: Sidsel Endreson (no Zorn content, but read it, it's interesting!)
       Sex Mob and Krauss Versus Zorn

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Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2000 17:57:32 -0700
From: Tosh <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: What was I thinking? (again no obvious Zorn content...but maybe)

I think buying the Frank Sinatra 'Concept' box is a good value.  Those
albums are great.  One of my all-time favorite album is In the Wee Wee
Hours...  Classic Sinatra package!



>
>


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Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2000 12:05:58 +1000
From: "Julian" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Zero Masada once more...

> My ears are not too shabby, either, and I am really hard-pressed to find
> anything other than those two influences on any of those Masada quartet
> albums.

You should probably listen to them some more...


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Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2000 21:29:55 -0400
From: Zachary Griffin <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Crimson

>
>
> One of the Projekt albums has a glimmer of 21st century schizoid man, or is
> the title a joke because the entire track is the audience hollering at some
> poor chump who took a flash picture, causing Fripp et al to leave the stage?
>

I was at the Northampton show that was recorded for a Projeckt Two live CD (I
can't remember if it was on the box-set or a Crimson Collector's Club CD).  They
did 21st Century Schizoid Man.  Fripp and the others didn't leave the stage
because someone taking a flash picture that night, though.

Zach Griffin


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Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2000 22:19:48 EDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: What was I thinking? (again no obvious Zorn content...but maybe)

 [e-mail] writes:
<<
 So, a question for you all - when did *you* realise that your music
 obsession was out of control? And did you care?
  >>
    I'm in complete denial about my addiction tho I've never bought more than
a 4 cd set and try not to buy something because its supposed to be important.
 Only if its supposed to be good.  That reminds me of a poster awhile back
who said his collection is divided between those he's never heard and those
he's heard at least once. The cds he never heard were the bigger half.  I can
hear him telling his wife, "Honey, I'm going out to buy a bunch more cds.  I
only have a couple thousand that I haven't heard.  Need to stock up."  Cheers,
    John Threadgould

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Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2000 22:28:48 EDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: What was I thinking? (again no obvious Zorn content...but maybe)

In a message dated Thu, 19 Oct 2000  8:12:20 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
"Alastair Wilson" <[e-mail]> writes:

<< So, a question for you all - when did *you* realise that your music
obsession was out of control? And did you care?
>>

When I bought *all* of the available Caroliner Rainbow LPs I could find
during a 2-order fit (plus some singles and one-offs by members of CR).  I
think I've listened to 3 of the LPs to this point- the rest still in the
original wrapping.  You can only take so much of the group in a year.

- --
=dg=

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Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2000 21:53:20 -0400
From: Joseph Zitt <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: What was I thinking? (again no obvious Zorn content...but maybe)

On Thu, Oct 19, 2000 at 10:19:48PM -0400, [e-mail] wrote:
>  Only if its supposed to be good.  That reminds me of a poster awhile back
> who said his collection is divided between those he's never heard and those
> he's heard at least once. The cds he never heard were the bigger half.  I can

That may have been me.

I *have* gotten razzed for having the Onobox... though not by the guy I
know who has 250 books with mentions of Yoko :-)... and for having about
7 Boyz II Men CD singles...

I've had to put a momentary lull on my CD shopping, since I lost (and
therefore cancelled) my credit card recently (thus truncating my trip to
Montreal goddammit). I'd gotten in the habit of ordering pretty much
every week several discs from the Anomalous and Forced Exposure new
release emails. As it is, I drop into the Tower on the way home from
work several times a week (though I wish I knew who the hell got the
one copy they got in of Zorn's "Xu Feng" before I could *grumble*).

n.p. Cornelius Cardew: Treatise

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Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2000 23:19:13 -0400 (EDT)
From: [e-mail] (Benjamin Pequet)
Subject: RE: What was I thinking? (again no obvious Zorn content...but maybe)

> Only if its supposed to be good.  That reminds me of a poster awhile back
>who said his collection is divided between those he's never heard and those
>he's heard at least once. The cds he never heard were the bigger half.  I can

I remember reading that and also thought it was shocking. I am still unsure
why someone would rave about the size of his cd collection, in the first
place, and why he would think anyone else is interested (other than envious)
- - cds are becoming so expensive it's almost indecent.

On the other hand, of course I feel it's important to support local artists.




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Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2000 22:44:27 -0400
From: Joseph Zitt <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: What was I thinking? (again no obvious Zorn content...but maybe)

On Thu, Oct 19, 2000 at 11:19:13PM -0400, Benjamin Pequet wrote:
> > Only if its supposed to be good.  That reminds me of a poster awhile back
> >who said his collection is divided between those he's never heard and those
> >he's heard at least once. The cds he never heard were the bigger half.  I can
>
> I remember reading that and also thought it was shocking. I am still unsure
> why someone would rave about the size of his cd collection, in the first
> place, and why he would think anyone else is interested (other than envious)
> - cds are becoming so expensive it's almost indecent.

Not so much a rave as a bemused look, mentioned because people are
interested in each others collections (as shown by its continual popping
up in conversation on these lists).

> On the other hand, of course I feel it's important to support local artists.

And with the wide distribution of music nowadays, "local" is becoming
hard to define. FWIW, I often buy discs at gigs and from smaller, more
direct sources than the big shops, whereby, one would hope, more of the
cost goes either to the artist or to those making an effort to get the
word out about the music.

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Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2000 09:47:11 +0200 (MET DST)
From: Steve Berman <[e-mail]>
Subject: Barre, PrΘvost (Re: berne/enten eller)

>>>>> "Hywel" == Hywel Davies <[e-mail]> writes:

    Hywel> anyone have a cd by the Italian band Enten Eller (with Tim
    Hywel> Berne guesting) called "Melquiades" ? your opinions will be
    Hywel> welcome... also, Ecm are releasing a live cd by Paul Bley,
    Hywel> Evan Parker and Barre Phillips - "sankt gerold"...(how do
    Hywel> you pronounce "Barre"?!) thanks..

I've heard Parker and Bley pronounce it as /bar/.

How does Eddie PrΘvost pronounce his name -- PREEvost, PRAYvost,
priVOST, prayVOST, or some other way?

- --Steve Berman


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Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2000 09:47:57 +0200
From: "Ari" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Re: Naked City / Masada

> THanks for these direct-from-Zorn quotes. It is so hard to find any since he
> doesnt like doing too many interviews. what articles or web sites did you
> get these quotes from?
>
The quote about Masada comes from an interview by Larry Blumenfeld,
published in Jazziz, august 1999.
The one about Naked City comes from an interview by Carla Chiti in the 'John
Zorn'-book "Itinerari Oltre Il Suono", Materiali Sonori, 1998.

Ari.

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Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2000 03:55:07 EDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Re:=20Barre,=20Pr=E9vost=20(Re:=20berne/enten=20e?= =?ISO-8859-1?Q?ller)?=

In a message dated 10/20/00 3:48:14 AM, [e-mail] writes:

<< How does Eddie Pr=E9vost pronounce his name -- PREEvost, PRAYvost,
priVOST, prayVOST, or some other way? >>

I was saying priVOST this past weekend, but I'm not positive that's correct.

Jon
www.erstwhilerecords.com

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Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2000 08:42:45 +0200
From: "Marcin Gokieli" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Odp: K.C.

From: <[e-mail]>

>  np. King Crimson: Red (24 bit remaster... ooh...)

Do the remasters really sound better then the earlier releases? Sorry for
asking that here, but puting such a question on ET (crimso list) would cause
a two-months debate with all possible options...
Marcin Gokieli
[e-mail] [e-mail]



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Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2000 08:52:12 +0200
From: "Marcin Gokieli" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Odp: absinthe live?

stephen drury <[e-mail]> wrote :

> pretty much true - it was a varied program including cat-o-nine-tails (i
> think), carny (that's why i was there) and absinthe, which may have
included
> david shea & willie winant ... i don't remember ribot being there, but my
> memory is also a bit hazy.

Was it recorded?

Marcin Gokieli
[e-mail] [e-mail]
Generally speaking, if a philosopher offers to 'dissolve' the problem you
are working on, tell him to go climb a tree - Jerry Fodor
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From


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Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2000 09:28:13 +0200
From: "Marcin Gokieli" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Odp: What was I thinking? (again no obvious Zorn content...but maybe)

From: Alastair Wilson <[e-mail]>

> A few hours after making the purchase I realised that my music obsession
may
> be out of control. I mean, *21 Frank Sinatra CDs*, for heaven's sake!
>
> So, a question for you all - when did *you* realise that your music
> obsession was out of control? And did you care?

When i got paid for a long-time job (the translation of a book, namely
Fodor's 'The elm and the Expert' - hard work) I went to a shop and bought a
large 'dose' of cds. But i still had some money left, and was wondering
about buying a seconmd hand synthor something. Imagine my surprise when it
came out that the rest of it was captured by the bank the next day... as the
credit card debt i made on buying discs earlier that month. I did not even
notice that i 've bought any large portion of music earlier!
Marcin Gokieli
[e-mail] [e-mail]



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Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2000 09:07:04 +0200
From: "Marcin Gokieli" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Odp: Odp: What is the Worst Zorn Release?

From: <[e-mail]>

> In a message dated 10/19/00 3:15:56 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
> [e-mail] writes:
>
> << BTW, in the recent heretic/absinthe thread, i wrote that heretic is
quite
>  weak. I listened to the album again, and I would like to apologize for
the
>  lack of truth in my opinions.  >>
>
> Why?  Aren't ones opinions 'true' when one has them?  Or are they 'false'
if
> everyone thinks you're wrong?  No need to apologize.

There was some irony intended. I just stroke me that just after posting a
negative opinion on an album, i relistened to it and foud it incredible. How
all that changes...
Marcin Gokieli
[e-mail] [e-mail]
Generally speaking, if a philosopher offers to 'dissolve' the problem you
are working on, tell him to go climb a tree - Jerry Fodor
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Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2000 10:12:01 +0200
From: "Marcin Gokieli" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Odp: Metropolis(Non-Zorn related)

A polish band called primitivo (which does not exist anymore) made a quite
intersting soundtrack for the shortened (about 40 mins) version of the film
they prepared. It was quite nice.
Marcin Gokieli
[e-mail] [e-mail]
Generally speaking, if a philosopher offers to 'dissolve' the problem you
are working on, tell him to go climb a tree - Jerry Fodor




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Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2000 10:09:30 +0200
From: "Marcin Gokieli" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Odp: Odp: Zero Masada would be enough

From: <[e-mail]>


> applies to the songbook idea, not to mention the idea the a comparison of
the
> Masada 'songbook' with that of Monk is utterly laughable anyway.

Our opinions differ here.

> Speaking for myself, something does not have to be revolutionary in order
to
> be interesting.  Its just that I find Masada utterly boring.  The concept
> behind it could MAYBE be interesting, but the execution of it is not.  I
have
> a feeling that most others on the list who don't like it would feel
vaguely
> similar.

If that's what you feel about masada, i understand you (in a sense - i
undrestand *that* you dislike masada, not *your dislike* ;-)). But if
somebody buys 3 cds of a band, i'd be surprised if he thinks that the music
the band makes is *simply* boring. If one likes 3 cds, and 7 others are
'exactlly alike', then one should like the other 7 as well.

> Morally speaking, perhaps there is something wrong with releasing album
after
> album of the SAME stuff after you've gained fans that have 'trusted' you.
I
> mean, the whole Masada IV thing, forcing people at first to buy all the
> others and send in for a 20 minute release of the SAME thing?  Then
releasing
> it and charging almost full price?

Well, we do not have to buy all the albums (although Alastair's story about
buying 21 cds boxed set of Sinatra makes one wonder...and i also had
similiar experiences, and i think we all had;-).

> As for Stravinsky, I've been listening to Strav for about 15 years and do
not
> hear any shred of his influence.  In fact the description of Masada that
you
> take issue with is as concise as accurate as one could get.  In can think
of
> few musics that can be summed up so neatly.
> ps Stravinsky's 'neoclassic' stuff was always his least interesting music,
as
> far as I was concerned, at least.

I think that masada is very much 'neoclassical' in the Strav sense , the
'classical' elements being jewish music and jazz, used in a way very
similiar to the way IS uses 18 century patterns in his works (' the rake's
progress' being the most obvious example)

Marcin Gokieli
[e-mail] [e-mail]
Generally speaking, if a philosopher offers to 'dissolve' the problem you
are working on, tell him to go climb a tree - Jerry Fodor


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Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2000 10:39:57 +0200
From: "Francesco Martinelli" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Odp: Zero Masada would be enough

> If one likes 3 cds, and 7 others are
> 'exactlly alike', then one should like the other 7 as well.

LOL that is an example of how faulty formal logic can be if applied to
artistic expression... that depends on what you search for in music, do not
you think so? Like, if you care for innovation/development or not. Your
reasoning brings exactly to the conclusion "one Masada is enough" as instead
of buying a new one you could just relisten to the old, maybe in shuffle
mode!
Francesco


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Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2000 10:53:35 CEST
From: "Marius Ergo" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Sidsel Endreson (no Zorn content, but read it, it's interesting!)

>From: "Alastair Wilson" <[e-mail]>
>
>Last Friday I went to Ronnie Scotts for the first time ever, to see Sidsel
>Endreson, a breathtaking Norwegian singer. What I'm asking, of probably the
>only people I know who might be able to help me out, is does anyone have
>any
>further info on Sidsel, especially what on earth she's been doing these
>last
>six years?

I saw Sidsel Endresen this summer at a jazz festival in Norway, with the
band you are describing in your post. I'm not too sure who the flutist and
guitarist is, but the drummer, Audun Kleive is really amazing.
I also caught her live a couple of years ago when I walked into one of my
regular hang-outs in Oslo, which is this tiny combined coffee house and jazz
cd-shop. She was performing with a vocal trio called ESE, and they were
mostly doing weird noises and stuff, but they sometimes use stuff like
coffee mugs and whatever they may find at the places they are performing.
ESE has a disc out on Jazzland records,keybord player Bugge Wesseltoft's
record company. Sidsel has also done a bunch of collaborations with Bugge.
She's on his New Conception of Jazz record; "Sharing", (which also features
Nils Petter Molvµr). She's also done a duet album with Bugge, called "Duplex
Ride", and she's also on one short track on the new Molvµr album "Solid
Ether".
You probably know this, but her new album, with her band, has just been
released on Jazzland records. You can check it all out at
www.jazzlandrec.com

Hope this information was helpful
- - Marius
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Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2000 20:16:16 +1000
From: "Adam Rock" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Sex Mob and Krauss Versus Zorn

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Thanks again,

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