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From: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com (Zorn List Digest)
To: zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com
Subject: Zorn List Digest V3 #41
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Zorn List Digest Thursday, August 31 2000 Volume 03 : Number 041
In this issue:
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Re: Comments on Raymond Scott?
delete if you don't own original spillane cd
added some more cd's Ribot Frith Zorn
Masada Live
cd writing revisited
Re: oxy morons
Re: cd writing revisited
Re: cd writing revisited
CD storage shelves/ The Remote Viewer on Leo Records
Re: Comments on Raymond Scott?
Re: delete if you don't own original spillane cd
Re: CD storage shelves
For Alto
Re: For Alto
George Russell
Looking to trade 11 CDs
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Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 16:56:35 -0400
From: "&c." <parksplace@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Comments on Raymond Scott?
I enjoy Scott's quintet and big band work much more than his electronic.
His electronic music is innovative and fascinating in it's own right, but it
lacks the energy or charm of his acoustic works. Restless Nights and
Turkish Twilights is constantly in my CD player. I love the intricacy of
the music (especially solos). It blows my mind that it was all done in his
head or on the piano and then communicated to his band, never a written
note. It also angers me that Scott is rarely mentioned when cartoon music
is brought up. Stalling is seemingly the only major composer of such music,
but Scott did it first. Though Manhattan Research is a lot more palatable
than Soothing Sounds for Baby I still prefer his six man quintet.
Zach
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Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 16:25:12 -0500 (CDT)
From: Whit Schonbein <whit@twinearth.wustl.edu>
Subject: delete if you don't own original spillane cd
hello everyone; i've been hesitant to ask, but finially decided to as i've
convinced myself that i'm morally justified. the only compact disc i've
ever lost/had stolen (i.e., i have no idea what happened to it) has been
zorn's 'spillane' on electra nonesuch. this is also the first zorn disc i
ever heard, and remains one of my top five zorn (if not #1). however, i
have never been able to replace it because (i) i kept hoping it would turn
up and (ii) now the electra/nonesuch version is oop. in my mind the
second track is essential to the album, so i refuse to buy spillane again
if i'm not going to get the album i originally fell in love with. so, all
this to provide some sort of justification to my question:
is there anyone out there who could burn me a cdr copy of the original
spillane disc? i have a number of privately traded live zorn discs to
offer in return.
once again, i swear on my not-yet-dead-mother's future grave that i bought
the original (brand new even) and then lost it, so i hope no one will
flame me for making this request. it's just such a good album (and the
second track is great).
thanks and sorry for the wasted space,
whit
np - meat puppets - 'up on the sun'; soon - soft boys, 'underwater
moonlight'; two of the greatest rock albums ever recorded...
- -
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Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 15:03:27 PDT
From: "John Schuller" <kwashikor@hotmail.com>
Subject: added some more cd's Ribot Frith Zorn
eBay seller name is schules
In case anyone is wondering why I would want to get rid of such great music-
it is because I need more equipment to make music with....
Thanks,
John
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Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2000 00:06:18 +0200 (CEST)
From: Leon Spaans <leons@casema.net>
Subject: Masada Live
Hi All,
I have a fairly simple question and I hope someone has an answer to it.
I've been looking for a Masada-tourdates-scheme on the internet for ages,
but I haven't been able to find one though. And now I was hoping that
someone could help me out, because seeing Masada live would make me a
very, very, very happy person .... I hope ;-)
Thanks, bye and regards,
Leon
ps. Does any of you know whether Masada ever played in The Netherlands ?
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Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2000 11:31:45 +1000
From: "Julian" <jcurwin@hartingdale.com.au>
Subject: cd writing revisited
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Thanks,
Julian.
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Date: Fri, 01 Sep 2000 03:22:08 +0200
From: Andreas Mohr <mollusk@web.de>
Subject: Re: oxy morons
Hallo
this is my first post here. my record-collection is rather small and i
don┤t know Eugene Chadbourne, but i think i┤m doin allright. Please keep
on talking about music :)
> But it's not just Zorn-connected bands. There are tons of groups who to me,
> beyond the initial loudness of the music, are just really much more
> interesting than a lot of comparable groups in the "downtown" scene, in prog
yep. and my next run-to-store will be for Carnival in Coal (and Masada
live).
and hello Whit : if you like rock, don┤t forget <Mad Season - Above>
and <Down - Nola> !
> And I know a lot of people here gasp when the name Mr. Bungle pops up, and
Mr. Bungle Mr. Bungle Mr. Bungle Mr. Bungle Mr. Bungle Mr. Bungle Mr.
Bungle
> Trey from Mr. Bungle had a really good line about this when I was
> interviewing him last year: "Closed-mindedness works both ways." Maybe not
> exactly profound, but it bugs me when people who are supposedly
> "enlightened" about music so easily cast off bands or whole genres that they
> know nothing about.
well i┤m sure a lot of people on this list _are_ enlightened about music
! but i┤m also sure it really works both ways - Closed- and
Open-mindedness!
i had the chance to do an interview with Mike Patton during this summers
Fantomas-tour, and i had read that he founded his label ipecac bcause he
thought fantomas would be too strange to release it on a common label.
so i asked if he couldn┤t have released it on Tzadik.. here┤s what he
had to say:
<< Oh yeah, i could have. I just don┤t think it was appropriate on
Tzadik. At the end of the day - Fantomas - everybody can talk about how
weird it is, but it┤s a fuckin rock record. That┤s what I hear !! And I
want to push it in that direction. I wanna push it to those kind of
people. Not to avantgarde-experimental-jazz-weirdos. I think that those
people will like the stuff and it┤s no problem. I wanna put this in
front of people who are unfamiliar with it. Aaeeh, I don┤t know, you
know
like cannibal corpse fans ... I think that there┤s enough in this music
that any metalhead redneck could appreciate. >>
andi just started zorning :)
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Wir tanzen alle Boogie - nur nicht mit dem selben Rhythmus
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Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 21:55:59 -0400
From: Mathieu Belanger <belanmat@MAGELLAN.UMontreal.CA>
Subject: Re: cd writing revisited
Hello,
>Anyway, my question... when writing cds (using a computer cd writer, that's
>what I'm using anyway) can you eliminate the 2 second breaks between the
>tracks?
You have to select the 'cd at once' option when writing the cd. It should not
be so hard to find in the software you use to write.
Hope it helps,
Mathieu
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Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2000 13:03:56 +1000
From: "Julian" <jcurwin@hartingdale.com.au>
Subject: Re: cd writing revisited
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Yeah sorry, it was really easy to figure out after all, it's just that I =
was initially trying to find the option in my 'cd copy' software rather =
than that easy cd creator. Thanks for the help!
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Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 22:47:50 -0400
From: "dmitry elentuck" <dmitry@gis.net>
Subject: CD storage shelves/ The Remote Viewer on Leo Records
Re: recent discussion about keeping one's record/CD collection organized:
I'm looking for recommendations and retail sources for a relatively
sizeable (1500-2000) CD storage space, preferrably floor-standing shelves.
The piles on my floor and around my stereo are getting more and more
hazardous-looking.
For more music-related context:
The Remote Viewers. (Not to be confused with Remote Viewer, electronic duo
on 555 Records, former members of Hood). I have their (debut?) CD "Low
Shapes in the Dark" on Leo Records, and I find it quite wonderful. It's a
trio of Adrian Northover + Louise and David Petts. Each member plays sax
(sporano and alto, alto, and tenor, respectively), electronics (synth,
noises), plus Louise provides occasional vocals. The CD I have features
mostly originals but also covers of Sun Ra's "Astro Black", Armando
Sciascia "Sogno Nostalgico -- Callan TV theme" (? any takes on this one?)
and Ervin Drake's "It Was a Very Good Year". I heard some tracks off their
second Leo CD (I think it's called "Obliques before Pale Skin"), and liked
those even more (they actually cover Madonna's "Secret" on this one). The
latest issue of the Wire has an ad for their most recent CD "Persuasive with
Aliens".
My question to the zornithologists is : I read somewhere that members of the
Remote Viewer used to be in the band B-Shops for the Poor. Is this entity
worth investigating? What sort of music did/do they play? etc.
Thanks in advance.
Dmitry
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Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 23:35:18 -0400 (EDT)
From: Brandon Magee <cuz@world.std.com>
Subject: Re: Comments on Raymond Scott?
&c. sleepily stated:
| Restless Nights and
| Turkish Twilights is constantly in my CD player. I love the intricacy of
| the music (especially solos). It blows my mind that it was all done in his
| head or on the piano and then communicated to his band, never a written
| note. It also angers me that Scott is rarely mentioned when cartoon music
| is brought up. Stalling is seemingly the only major composer of such music,
| but Scott did it first.
I must agree with this statement. Restless Nights is just a brilliant
album (which is still in print and available at all major online
record stores), and when I want that type of cartoony vibe, I would
pick it over the Carl Stallings Project Vol. 1 every day of the week
(I own both).
However, Carl Stallings wrote for cartoons. That was his
profession. Raymond Scott wrote brilliant music that happened to fit
perfectly well into cartoons. There is a difference, however, Scott
should be much more recognized (esp. since much of Stallings work was
cribbed from the book of Scott).
Talking about the Carl Stallings Project, what is the concensus on
Vol.2? Is it better than Vol 1. The Same? Or just different?
- -Brandon
- -
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Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 23:41:12 -0400 (EDT)
From: Brandon Magee <cuz@world.std.com>
Subject: Re: delete if you don't own original spillane cd
Whit Schonbein sleepily stated:
| hello everyone; i've been hesitant to ask, but finially decided to as i've
| convinced myself that i'm morally justified. the only compact disc i've
| ever lost/had stolen (i.e., i have no idea what happened to it) has been
| zorn's 'spillane' on electra nonesuch. this is also the first zorn disc i
| ever heard, and remains one of my top five zorn (if not #1). however, i
| have never been able to replace it because (i) i kept hoping it would turn
| up and (ii) now the electra/nonesuch version is oop. in my mind the
| second track is essential to the album, so i refuse to buy spillane again
| if i'm not going to get the album i originally fell in love with.
I agree. The Original Spillane on Elektra was a brilliant introduction
to Zorn. The Albert Collins piece is brilliant, and is absolutely
essential to any Zorn collection. And, the fact that you can tast
Zorn's compisitional talent in three different genres makes Spillane
the album I play to introduce people to Zorn.
While I am very happy that Spillane was re-released with Blues Noel
and Godard, I certainly hope that Two-Lane Highway finds itself on
some collection Zorn will release sometime. (Forbidden Fruit should
not be forgotten, but it is readily available on a Kronos Quartet
album).
- -Brandon
- -
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Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 23:44:31 -0400 (EDT)
From: Brandon Magee <cuz@world.std.com>
Subject: Re: CD storage shelves
dmitry elentuck sleepily stated:
| Re: recent discussion about keeping one's record/CD collection organized:
|
| I'm looking for recommendations and retail sources for a relatively
| sizeable (1500-2000) CD storage space, preferrably floor-standing shelves.
| The piles on my floor and around my stereo are getting more and more
| hazardous-looking.
I personally have 3 large wooden shelves (about 6' high), which fit
roughly 400 CDs each. I have found these types of shelves to be
readily available in my neck of the woods, and I find that they work
well. Certainly far better than keeping them in stacks on the floor.
Of course, I will soon need to buy another one. The life of a music
fan!
- -Brandon
- -
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Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2000 06:35:34 +0200
From: "Artur Nowak" <arno@emd.pl>
Subject: For Alto
Hio Philozorners,
> Yep, FOR ALTO, recently re-issued on Delmark
I have to get it! Zorn said in the interview with William Duckworth,
that this album "blown him away", "He [Braxton] had the energy I was
looking for". It was one of Zorn's first jazz records, which turned
him to sax and free-jazz...
I'm under big influence of Jazz Composer's Orchestra with Taylor, and
the re-issued "Ascension" by Coltrane. As Zorn said, the first is more
"structured", and therefore more interesting in long listening. The
"blowing" quality of "Ascension" is incredible though.
__________________________________________________________________
Artur Nowak [arno at emd dot pl] www.emd.pl
NP: Spaceways "Solid Krell Metal"
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Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 00:42:16 +0100
From: Mike Chamberlain <mikec@rocler.qc.ca>
Subject: Re: For Alto
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Artur Nowak wrote:
> Hio Philozorners,
>
> > Yep, FOR ALTO, recently re-issued on Delmark
>
> I have to get it! Zorn said in the interview with William Duckworth,
> that this album "blown him away", "He [Braxton] had the energy I was
> looking for". It was one of Zorn's first jazz records, which turned
> him to sax and free-jazz...
>
Perhaps a stupid question--actually two--but was For Alto originally
released on Delmark? And how long has the album been out of print?
Thanks.
- --Mike
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<p>Artur Nowak wrote:
<blockquote TYPE=CITE>Hio Philozorners,
<p>> Yep, FOR ALTO, recently re-issued on Delmark
<p>I have to get it! Zorn said in the interview with William Duckworth,
<br>that this album "blown him away", "He [Braxton] had the energy I was
<br>looking for". It was one of Zorn's first jazz records, which turned
<br>him to sax and free-jazz...
<br> </blockquote>
Perhaps a stupid question--actually two--but was <i>For Alto</i> originally
released on Delmark? And how long has the album been out of print?
<p>Thanks.
<p>--Mike</html>
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Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2000 01:06:21 EDT
From: User384726@aol.com
Subject: George Russell
In the last six months or so I have purchased George Russell's "Jazz in the
Space Age," "Ezz-thetics," and Stratus Seekers. I have been completely blown
away by all of them. GR has the composition and arranging skills of a true
master. "Ezz-thetics," featuring Dolphy, David Baker, Don Ellis and Stephen
Swallow (on upright), should be in every musician's collection. The Dolphy
solo on the title cut is one of his best ever. GR music from these albums
appear to be culmination of everything that was happening in Jazz. I have
yet to be disappointed by any GR CD from this period (late 50's early 60's)
and I was wondering if anyone had anymore recommendations for GR CD's. I
also was completely blown away by Baker's playing throughout this music so
any recommendations of his music would also be appreciated. I also was able
to check out the Lydian Chromatic Concept book from a local library but is
missing some sheet. If anyone knows were to get a new copy of this, I
believe there are multiple editions, I would also appreciate that.
Thanks to All,
Aaron Solomon
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Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2000 01:55:09 -0400 (EDT)
From: EmilianGatzov <rivers@email.com>
Subject: Looking to trade 11 CDs
Apologies for the crosspost. I=92m looking to recycle these 11 cds.I will =
entertain various types of trade offers, just email me if you=92re interest=
ed.
Emilian
=8C Eliott Sharp & Carbon =96 Larynx (on SST)
=8C Praxis =96 Sacrifist [w/Zorn/Buckethead/Blind Idiot God/Harris/Eye etc=
(on Subharmonic)]
=8C Kiodyssea =96 Migrations (on Art Gallery)=20
=8C Peter Scherer =96 Very Neon Pet [w/F. Genius/ Parkins/Lindsay/Baptista=
/Vasconcelos/ Deyhim etc(on Metro Blue)]
=8C Robert Musso =96 Absolute Music (on MUworks)=20
=8C Frigg =96 Brecht (on Knitting Factory) produced by Eliott Sharp
=8C Clusone Trio =96 I Am An Indian (on Gramavision/Ryko)
=8C Hafler Trio =96 A Thirsty Fish (on The Grey Area of Mute)
=8C Aziza Mustafa Zadeh =96 Seventh Truth (on Sony)
=8C Nusrat Fateh Ali Khan & Party =96 Shahen-Shah (on RealWorld)
=8C John Surman Quartet =96 Stranger than Fiction (on ECM)
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