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Zorn List Digest       Thursday, August 31 2000       Volume 03 : Number 039



In this issue:
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       Re: Upcoming W&W releases
       Odp: Odp: question
       NO ZORN CONTENT! - great new cd i bought
       Re: virgin beauty/breuker's hunger
       Re: NO ZORN CONTENT! - great new cd i bought
       Comments on Raymond Scott?
       Oum Kalsoum
       RE: Comments on Raymond Scott?
       Re: Comments on Raymond Scott?
       Re: NO ZORN CONTENT! - great new cd i bought
       Re: NO ZORN CONTENT! - great new cd i bought
       Re: Dead Reckoning
       radio france label(was: NO ZORN CONTENT! - great new cd)
       Re: Network (was: NO ZORN CONTENT)
       Re: Dead Reckoning
       Test
       Re: genres (was Tzadik)
       Re: genres (was Tzadik)
       Braxton solo in question (was: genres)
       Re: Braxton solo in question (was: genres)
       Re: genres (was Tzadik)

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Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 09:30:48 +0200
From: Pascal Cortes <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Upcoming W&W releases

I don't think there W&W has an official website yet.
Anyway, for any contact:

Winter & Winter,
Osterwaldstrasse 10,
Haus 19,
D-80805 Munich,
Germany

Tel: [phone]
Fax: [phone]
Email: [e-mail]


Pascal.

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Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 10:03:40 +0200
From: "Marcin Gokieli" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Odp: Odp: question

From: <[e-mail]>

> Nothing much to add other than a "thumbs up" from me too, on this set.  I
> bought it when it first came out around 5-6 years ago, IIRC.  It has
recently
> been remastered/reissued, and supposedly sounds wonderful.
> Marcin- does this reissue contain any new material at all?

As far as i know, it doesn't.

Marcin Gokieli
[e-mail] [e-mail]
Generally speaking, if a philosopher offers to 'dissolve' the problem you
are working on, tell him to go climb a tree - Jerry Fodor


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Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 10:34:29 +0200
From: patRice <[e-mail]>
Subject: NO ZORN CONTENT! - great new cd i bought

hi y'all.

bought a new cd yesterday that totally amazes me; i'm spellbound...

traditional music from uzbekistan, sung by female singer munadjat
yulchieva, who is accompanied by the ensemble shavkat mirzaev; plus some
guest musicians.

both, the language and the music, remind of of some arab, turkish and
armenian stuff i've heard.

some of the sounds you hear on this cd are simply magic! maybe that has
to do with the fact that the music - according to the liner notes - is
all about trying to get closer to god.

the label, world network (as far as i can make out, it's owned by german
tv channel "wdr - westdeutscher rundfunk"), included a catlogue; they've
got an awful lot of releases of traditional music from around the world.
some of their cds have won international music awards.

i can only recommend this cd; and probably the label, too.

patRice


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Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 10:49:02 +0200
From: "dekater" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: virgin beauty/breuker's hunger

- -----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
Van: [e-mail] <[e-mail]>
Aan: [e-mail] <[e-mail]>
Datum: woensdag 30 augustus 2000 5:27
Onderwerp: virgin beauty/breuker's hunger



>np. willem breuker kollektief "hunger" -- just got this and it's
>terrific, the best breuker i've come across. as for filing systems,
>this won't fit in any of my CD racks and i love it for that. if you're
>not going to fit in the system, you'd better be exceptional. and this
>is.


Willem Breuker has from the beginning been interested in deviated packings
for his music. The big music companies wouldn't bring out the kind of music
he and others were making. So in 1973/1974 he and pianoplayer Leo Cuypers
founded their own record company called 'BV Haast' (this means something
like 'Hurry up'). The packings often demonstrate a kind of stubbornnes in
the sense that they weren't always easy to fit in the racks, just like the
music that was difficult to classify (at that time that is).
Check f.i. 'Pakkepapen' or 'Heibel' (genuine camembert-box). One of the
first was a Willem Breuker/Leo Cuypers record in a big triangular sleeve
that drove storekeepers and collectors up the wall.

Jan Luyben


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Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 10:53:34 +0200
From: Pascal Cortes <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: NO ZORN CONTENT! - great new cd i bought

I'll second PatRice, this album by Munadjat Yulchieva (the only one I have
by her) is really beautiful and I would also recommend it to any world trad
fan. Other beautiful release from the same label (World Network) that comes
to my mind is "Syria; Hamza Shakkur (voc) + ensemble Al Kindi". Great
persian music and beautiful singer. Maybe more will come to mind later...

By the way... any Oum Kalsoum recommendations ??? I heard one piece, "Al
Atlal" from a concert tape... it was really fantastic !!

Pascal

At 10:34 31/08/00 +0200, PatRice wrote:
>hi y'all.
>
>bought a new cd yesterday that totally amazes me; i'm spellbound...
>
>traditional music from uzbekistan, sung by female singer munadjat
>yulchieva, who is accompanied by the ensemble shavkat mirzaev; plus some
>guest musicians.
>
>both, the language and the music, remind of of some arab, turkish and
>armenian stuff i've heard.
>
>some of the sounds you hear on this cd are simply magic! maybe that has
>to do with the fact that the music - according to the liner notes - is
>all about trying to get closer to god.
>
>the label, world network (as far as i can make out, it's owned by german
>tv channel "wdr - westdeutscher rundfunk"), included a catlogue; they've
>got an awful lot of releases of traditional music from around the world.
>some of their cds have won international music awards.
>
>i can only recommend this cd; and probably the label, too.
>
>patRice
>
>
>-
>
>
>

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Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 11:24:42 +0200
From: Verstraeten Stefan <[e-mail]>
Subject: Comments on Raymond Scott?

Hello,

Does anyone on this list heard this release or knows something about this
figure?

It seems interesting.

Thanks in advance,

Stefan Verstraeten

- -------------------------------------
Raymond Scott:manhattan research inc.

No doubt Raymond Scott is/was one of the most important people when it comes
down to anything connected with electronic music. this hefty compilation
collects unreleased material from the fifties/sixties ranging from tv
commercials to experiments.... Rs not only delivers the music, he also build
his own instruments as shown/written in the 144 page booklet accompagnying
this wonderfull release. Absolutelly essential for professors in
musichistories, analists, freakshows, and hip/trendy technoguys. this guy
showed the way for lots of us, including Kraftwerk, Motown, and probably
even some very young foetusses from The Wire... bloody recommended

- -

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Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 11:30:18 +0200
From: "Francesco Martinelli" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Oum Kalsoum

> By the way... any Oum Kalsoum recommendations ??? I heard one piece, "Al
> Atlal" from a concert tape... it was really fantastic !!

I'd give some as I have an extensive collection of cassettes, video and cds
but after the deafening silence followed to my post on the AST I'll refrain
to it and go back to the Cd player to listen to some death trash blind
violent bloody metal.



- -

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Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 05:26:28 -0400
From: "Ljova" <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: Comments on Raymond Scott?

Stefan --

Raymond Scott is indeed very interesting -- an experimental composer whose
music just happened to get used in cartoons.

There's a big website about him (built by some dedicated fans) at
http://www.RaymondScott.com/

And there's a CD of his own Original Sextet recordings on Columbia. Not sure
if it's been deleted.


- -Ljova


- --------
Lev "Ljova" Zhurbin
[e-mail]
http://Ljova.com

"Do not fear mistakes - there are none."
        -Miles Davis

> -----Original Message-----
> Subject: Comments on Raymond Scott?
>
>
> Hello,
>
> Does anyone on this list heard this release or knows something about this
> figure?
>
> It seems interesting.



- -

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Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 11:28:37 GMT+0100
From: "Jeroen de Boer" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Comments on Raymond Scott?

Just buy it as fast as you can!!!!!!!!!! This is really amazing stuff.

Jeroen



> Hello,
>
> Does anyone on this list heard this release or knows something about
> this figure?
>
> It seems interesting.
>
> Thanks in advance,
>
> Stefan Verstraeten
>
> -------------------------------------
> Raymond Scott:manhattan research inc.
>
> No doubt Raymond Scott is/was one of the most important people when it
> comes down to anything connected with electronic music. this hefty
> compilation collects unreleased material from the fifties/sixties
> ranging from tv commercials to experiments.... Rs not only delivers
> the music, he also build his own instruments as shown/written in the
> 144 page booklet accompagnying this wonderfull release. Absolutelly
> essential for professors in musichistories, analists, freakshows, and
> hip/trendy technoguys. this guy showed the way for lots of us,
> including Kraftwerk, Motown, and probably even some very young
> foetusses from The Wire... bloody recommended
>
> -
>


- ----------------------------------------
Jeroen de Boer
              music director Open Electronic Festival/Cyberslag Foundation
              Munnekeholm 10, 9711JA Groningen
              The Netherlands
              tel/fax: [phone]
              gsm: [phone]
              [e-mail]

http://www.cyberslag.com
- ----------------------------------------

- -

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Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 11:39:07 +0200
From: patRice <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: NO ZORN CONTENT! - great new cd i bought

pascal,

thanks for the recommendation; i'll check that cd out, too.

i'll also try to find out if there is any info available on the net for the
world network label.

have you ever seen a catalogue of their releases? they've got an impressive
list of very interesting stuff: klezmer, sufi music, music from algeria,
armenia, india, some different greek regions, etc. etc. etc. absolutely
interesting cds! another label i've discovered that will make me spend more
and more money... ;-)
but this traditional/ethnic music is what has really been doing it for me
recently. with a bit of napalm death thrown in every now and then...

patRice


Pascal Cortes wrote:

> fan. Other beautiful release from the same label (World Network) that comes
> to my mind is "Syria; Hamza Shakkur (voc) + ensemble Al Kindi". Great
> persian music and beautiful singer. Maybe more will come to mind later...
>
> By the way... any Oum Kalsoum recommendations ??? I heard one piece, "Al
> Atlal" from a concert tape... it was really fantastic !!
>
> Pascal


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Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 12:20:02 +0200
From: Pascal Cortes <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: NO ZORN CONTENT! - great new cd i bought

No, I've never seen their catalogue, but they are well distributed here in
France, so I've seen many of their releases in stores. Great stuff.
Contact info:

[e-mail]
post: NETWORK Medien GmbH
Merianplatz 10
D-60316 Frankfurt
Germany
tel: ++49 (0) 69/ 4 99 00 40. fax: same, but for last two digits: ++49(0)
69/ 4 99 00 97

Other great world/trad label doing it for me is Ocora ( website in french:
http://www.radio-france.fr/divers/boutique/index.php?rayon=musique).
Available on the other side of Atlantic from Verge Music Distribution
(http://www.vergemusic.com/cookiePass.cfm). From the Indian and Pakistanese
"classics" (Shankar, Ali Khan) to.... almost anything, including Munadjat
Yulchieva from Usbekistan (sp. changes).


Pascal.


Pascal.

Pascal.

- -

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Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 07:36:49 -0400
From: "Caleb T. Deupree" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Dead Reckoning

At 01:29 AM 8/31/00 -0500, Steve Smith wrote:
>
>I've got an inexplicable urge to investigate the Grateful Dead

I can do little more than second the recommendations for Anthem of the Sun
and the Live Dead.  I started going through my Dead collection a while
back, and was drawn to Live Dead because of Dark Star (and the Oswald
connection).  When the Feedback track came on, I actually got up to see the
cover, to make sure something else hadn't somehow snuck into the speakers.

And WRT Anthem, years ago I had a chance to spend a little time with Bill
Payne, the keyboard player of Little Feat.  He practiced Bach for a couple
of hours each day 'for technique', so we discussed various classical
composers.  I mentioned Cage, which he dismissed, until I also mentioned
that the Dead used prepared piano on Anthem.  Shook him up a little bit
(although I never heard any prepared piano on any Feats album).  Anyway,
it's definitely the furthest out of any of their studio albums.

And a discussion of one of John Oswald's sources is more closely related to
Zorn than a lot of what goes on around here (not that I'm complaining about
any of it -- the eclecticity is what makes this list great)...

- --
Caleb Deupree
[e-mail]

Work like you don't need the money. Love like you've never been hurt. Dance
like nobody's watching.

- -- Satchel Paige

- -

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Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 13:40:55 +0200
From: patRice <[e-mail]>
Subject: radio france label(was: NO ZORN CONTENT! - great new cd)

hi again, pascal!

oh yeah, radio france's label! absolutely great!

we used to also get radio france via cable here. they always played lots of
great and interesting music! unfortunately we don't receive it here anymore.
:-( i hate listening to the radio, but radio france was a big time exception.

their label also has some very interesting african stuff out, for those of you
who are into that.

patRice


Pascal Cortes wrote:

>
> Other great world/trad label doing it for me is Ocora ( website in french:
> http://www.radio-france.fr/divers/boutique/index.php?rayon=musique).
> Available on the other side of Atlantic from Verge Music Distribution
> (http://www.vergemusic.com/cookiePass.cfm). From the Indian and Pakistanese
> "classics" (Shankar, Ali Khan) to.... almost anything, including Munadjat
> Yulchieva from Usbekistan (sp. changes).


- -

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Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 14:07:53 +0200
From: Pascal Cortes <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Network (was: NO ZORN CONTENT)

Here is the website for the german world/trad label Networks (just found it):

http://www.networkmedien.de/


Pascal.

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Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 12:23:07 GMT
From: "Bill Ashline" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Dead Reckoning

- ----Original Message Follows----
From: Steve Smith <[e-mail]>

I've got an inexplicable urge to investigate the Grateful Dead, and I'd
like to know what recordings you recommend for getting started.
- ------------------------

I can't really listen to the Dead anymore for reasons that have little to do
with the band.  But back in the days when I was into the band, the records I
played the most were "Europe '72," "Terrapin Station," and "Workingman's
Dead."  The "Live Dead" was also quite good.  Were I to turn back to the
Dead now, I would pick up "Europe '72" first.  They hit a groove at that
point and nothing that followed in the eighties and nineties, as Jim noted,
had the same sense after the band had become a substantial commercial
success.  They were accomplished improvisers who probably just became a bit
bored playing the same stuff every night to the relentless cult that
surrounded them.  I like some of Jerry's playing with David Grisman which I
still spin once in a blue moon.

NP: Boniche Dub
STP:  Jah Wobble, Molam Dub
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Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 10:53:52 +0100
From: Mike Chamberlain <[e-mail]>
Subject: Test

Disregard the test or else play some death metal to accompany it.


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Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 11:13:50 +0100
From: Mike Chamberlain <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: genres (was Tzadik)

Nils wrote:

> the rack is set up so the easiest to reach is the bottom.
> people who visit my house and want to choose music inevitably
> get pissed off that they are too short to reach the music they like.
>

Alphabetically.  I keep the stuff that the short people (wife and kids) like on
the bottom shelf.  I don't want to piss *them* off.

> man i really need to get that braxton solo disc.

Run, don't walk, to the nearest store that has it.  Stunning.

- --Mike



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Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 11:18:04 +0100
From: Mike Chamberlain <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: genres (was Tzadik)

Arthur Gadney wrote:

> Hey,
>
> >records collection = penis size ?
>

It's an inverse relationship.  I'm proud to say that I have one of the
smallest collections on this list.

- --Mike



- -

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Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 11:04:36 CDT
From: "Kristopher S. Handley" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Braxton solo in question (was: genres)

> > man i really need to get that braxton solo disc.
>
>Run, don't walk, to the nearest store that has it.  Stunning.
>
>--Mike

I checked the archives and still I'm not sure which Brax solo Nils and Mike
were talking about.  FOR ALTO?  OR something new?

- ---s
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Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 12:11:44 -0400
From: Brian Olewnick <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Braxton solo in question (was: genres)

Kristopher S. Handley wrote:

> I checked the archives and still I'm not sure which Brax solo Nils and Mike
> were talking about.  FOR ALTO?  OR something new?

Yep, FOR ALTO, recently re-issued on Delmark, along with Muhal's THINGS
TO COME FROM THOSE NOW GONE and a Kalaparusha album. The Brax is
essential, just an amazing recording. All the more for the confidence
and conception shown by a 23-year old Braxton. The Abrams is a bit of a
mixed bag, imo, but there are a few stand-out tracks including one of
the very best things he ever recorded, 'The March of the Transients', a
great free-bop number.

Brian Olewnick

NP: Jon Lloyd - Head

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Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 16:46:47 GMT
From: "Kristy Shugg" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: genres (was Tzadik)

Arthur Gadney wrote:

 > Hey,
 >
 > >records collection = penis size ?
 >

contemplating my small collection, still trying to work out the implications
for the penistically-challenged like me...

- - Kristy

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