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Subject: Zorn List Digest V3 #2
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Zorn List Digest Wednesday, August 2 2000 Volume 03 : Number 002
In this issue:
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RE: new Otomo CD
Reich interview/Beefheart book excerpt
Lizards on Sony LA
RE: Lizards on Sony LA
Re: New AUBE cd coming (no zorn content)
andrew b piano trios
conrad/maclise/jack smith (was: Re: new Otomo CD)
Re: conrad/maclise/jack smith (was: Re: new Otomo CD)
Filmoworks II
new otomo cd
Beside the dream syndicate
RE: New AUBE cd coming (no zorn content)
Re: scelsi/ferneyhough: recs?
the dreaming syndicate
It's gonna rain...
Re: It's gonna rain...
Eskelin Query
trumpet vs. cornet
Re: Eskelin Query
Re: trumpet vs. cornet
about merzbow..
Re: about merzbow..
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Date: Tue, 01 Aug 2000 13:12:46 GMT
From: "M. pathos" <mpathos@hotmail.com>
Subject: RE: new Otomo CD
In contrast to Jack Smith, on the basis of the currently published recorded
evidence I see little justification for the ongoing mythification of Mr.
MacLise. His "drumming" doesn't compare in any musical aspect to that of
feted jazz or middle eastern players, and his poetry is execrable. This
seems very much the case of artists eulogizing about an old acquaintance
lest he be forgotten.
As for Mr. Conrad's "Minimalism", I'd say he's most faithful to the
miniminalist spirit in his ongoing attempts to make a lot out of very
little. The most interesting thing about this swollen drone box is the
extended essay that accompanies the set; how fitting, from a University
professor!
>ask if
anyone on the list likes the Angus MacLise 'The Invasion
Of Thunderbolt Pagoda' CD (recorded '68-'72), or any of
the Tony Conrad works like 'Early Minim"<
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Date: Tue, 01 Aug 2000 09:26:09 -0400
From: Perfect Sound Forever <perfect-sound@furious.com>
Subject: Reich interview/Beefheart book excerpt
Greetings,
In the latest edition of Perfect Sound Forever
<http://www.furious.com/perfect>, you'll find, among other things:
CAPTAIN BEEFHEART
Biography excerpt- an in-depth look at Trout Mask Replica
STEVE REICH INTERVIEW
A look at his early, historical tape pieces
We're always looking for good ideas and articles- please let us know if
you'd like to contribute.
See you online,
Jason
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Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2000 17:01:14 -0500
From: "Diego Gruber" <dgruber@uio.satnet.net>
Subject: Lizards on Sony LA
Once again for people who have access to the Sony Channel Latin America,
this Saturday's Sessions at West 54th will feature in its second part a
performance by the Lounge Lizards.
D
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Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2000 12:06:13 -0300
From: Linares Hugo <hulinare@bemberg.com.ar>
Subject: RE: Lizards on Sony LA
Good news Diego!
Thank you very much,
Hugo Linares
> -----Mensaje original-----
> De: Diego Gruber [SMTP:dgruber@uio.satnet.net]
> Enviado el: Lunes 31 de Julio de 2000 7:01 PM
> Para: Zorn list
> Asunto: Lizards on Sony LA
>
> Once again for people who have access to the Sony Channel Latin America,
> this Saturday's Sessions at West 54th will feature in its second part a
> performance by the Lounge Lizards.
>
> D
>
>
> -
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Date: Tue, 01 Aug 2000 11:02:27 CDT
From: "samuel yrui" <nonintention@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: New AUBE cd coming (no zorn content)
hey,
i have a question about Aube. i've only heard the album where he uses the
christian bible as his sound source.
i didn't like it very much because the tracks i heard was just loops of
sounds. he would have one sound looping. and then, suprise!, another sound
overlapping that at the exact same loop rate. it was somewhat interesting
but for the most part boring.
still i have not closed my mind to Aube, but i was wondering if this album
is a good example or does he have more variety?
i'm just looking to see if he has albums that are more engaging.
thanks,
samuel
Hello Zornlisters,
for you who dig japanese noise (hello Brad !!!), some great news:
A new cd will sonn be released on Manifold records. The cd will have as a
sound source stones (similar to the one AUBE released some months ago with
someone whose name escapes me right now - but this time more recognisable).
After this, AUBE will be starting to lay the final hands on the Live series:
all the (now out of print) AUBE releases that came out on Manifold will be
re-released with an extra live cd....
Sounds great to me!!!!
Best wishes
Stefan Verstraeten
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Date: Tue, 01 Aug 2000 13:15:12 -0500
From: kurt_gottschalk@scni.com
Subject: andrew b piano trios
Neues Kabarett presents
Andrew Barker - drums
Louie Belogenis - sax
Shoko Nagai - piano
and
The Andrew Bemkey Trio
w/Tom Abbs (bass) and special guest drummer
Saturday, August 12, 9 pm
at
The Brecht Forum
122 W. 27th St. 10th floor
$6-10, as you wish
for more info, call 212.567.0780
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Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2000 15:29:57 EDT
From: JonAbbey2@aol.com
Subject: conrad/maclise/jack smith (was: Re: new Otomo CD)
<<In contrast to Jack Smith, on the basis of the currently published recorded
evidence I see little justification for the ongoing mythification of Mr.
MacLise.>>
well, I can't say I'm a huge fan of either of the first two MacLise reissues
(I have an advance of the second, which is coming out very soon), but I like
them way more than the Jack Smith reissues, which, after my one listen to
borrowed copies, I wasn't quite sure why they were reissued, apart from his
status as a cult figure.
anyway, you'll be thrilled to know that the plan for the MacLise reissue
series on Siltbreeze/Quakebasket is to release 10 CDs over the next couple of
years.
also, my two cents on the new TOTE La Monte Young disc: I'll stay out of the
controversy because it really doesn't interest me that much. the disc itself
seems to me to be only of historical interest, but maybe it'll get the ball
rolling and we'll get to see some better sound quality, better planned
reissues, but from what I've heard, I kind of doubt it.
<<As for Mr. Conrad's "Minimalism", I'd say he's most faithful to the
miniminalist spirit in his ongoing attempts to make a lot out of very
little. >>
when I saw Tony Conrad play about five years ago, he was still using the same
violin he used on the Outside the Dream Syndicate record from 1972, in an
effort to maintain his sound over the generations. I kind of admired that,
even though the instrument looked like it was falling apart.
Jon
www.erstwhilerecords.com
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Date: Tue, 01 Aug 2000 14:01:26 -0700
From: "Patrice L. Roussel" <proussel@ichips.intel.com>
Subject: Re: conrad/maclise/jack smith (was: Re: new Otomo CD)
On Tue, 1 Aug 2000 15:29:57 EDT JonAbbey2@aol.com wrote:
>
> when I saw Tony Conrad play about five years ago, he was still using the same
> violin he used on the Outside the Dream Syndicate record from 1972, in an
> effort to maintain his sound over the generations. I kind of admired that,
> even though the instrument looked like it was falling apart.
Because the quality of the violin sound is relevant to the whole process? But
if it is for nostalgic reasons, I can understand.
Patrice (puzzled by artists who base their whole carrier on a simple
idea that they keep on repeating for decades).
- -
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Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2000 01:51:24 +0200
From: "Marcin Gokieli" <marcin.gokieli@mospan.pl>
Subject: Filmoworks II
Hi,
I listen recently to Filmowrks II intensively. An incredible album! My
fave Zorn at the moment!
Two questions:
a) What was the film the music is suppposed to illustate like? The info on
the disc are not very extensive.
b) Some similiar JZ records? (maybe Elegy would be the closest i know)
Be well,
Marcin Gokieli
marcingokieli@go2.pl
Generally speaking, if a philosopher offers to 'dissolve' the problem you
are working on, tell him to go climb a tree - Jerry Fodor
- -
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Date: Tue, 01 Aug 2000 20:52:52 -0400
From: "Caleb T. Deupree" <cdeupree@erinet.com>
Subject: new otomo cd
With all the recent discussion about Otomo's CD Vinyl Tranquilizer, I'm
surprised no one has mentioned his recent entry into the sine wave
massacres, Digital Tranquilizer Ver.1.0 (F.M.N). This is easily the
most accomplished sine wave work I've heard from him (and I've enjoyed
Filament 2 as well as ISO). This one is a CD single consisting of five
tracks, recorded in Tokyo last July. The first track samples Sachiko M,
but otherwise it is a solo effort.
Otomo occasionally shows the heritage of sine wave music, with a couple
of tracks sounding like they could be from an Ikeda album. DT-1, for
example, could have come from the +/- sessions, with the very fast bpm.
DT-2 compares favorably with the Time disk on Staalplaat's Time and
Space collection, with a quick succession of vastly different textures
(including a quiet signal, like morse code, appearing in a brief
window). My favorite track is DT-5, where two completely different
rhythms are layered, together with low drones and an exploration of
space through channel placement (especially effective on headphones).
There are a couple of other surprises on this short disk which have kept
it in the CD player more than usual for a new release. I eagerly await
Digital Tranquilizer Ver.2.
- --
Caleb Deupree
cdeupree@erinet.com
Work like you don't need the money. Love like you've never been hurt. Dance
like nobody's watching.
- -- Satchel Paige
- -
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Date: 2 Aug 2000 03:54:47 -0000
From: "Tim Keenliside" <timkeen@disinfo.net>
Subject: Beside the dream syndicate
On Tue, 01 Aug 2000 13:12:46 GMT "M. pathos"
<mpathos@hotmail.com> wrote:
>In contrast to Jack Smith, on the basis of the currently
published recorded
>evidence I see little justification for the ongoing
mythification of Mr.
>MacLise. His "drumming" doesn't compare in any musical
aspect to that of
>feted jazz or middle eastern players, and his poetry is
execrable.
Sorry, but I fail to see what comparisons of technical
musical ability have to do with creative influences in
music. Certainly Angus MacLise stands as a very important
persona in recent musical history, if only for his role in
the formation of the Velvet Underground, bridging the gap
between the 'avant-garde' of the Dream Syndicate and the
wider rock audience of the Velvets. Of course, John Cale
was also in on this, but interviews with Cale and the
other members have emphasised the importance of MacLise in
creating the group. This is a given! Whether one enjoys
listening to the audible results of these musical
formations is, once again, a matter of personal taste. I
personally enjoy recordings like 'The Invasion Of
Thunderbolt Pagoda', 'Early Minimalism', 'Outside the
Dream Syndicate', especially for their psychomusickal
potential. Repetition is the s
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Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2000 08:45:35 +0200
From: Verstraeten Stefan <stefan.verstraeten@wkb.be>
Subject: RE: New AUBE cd coming (no zorn content)
Hi,
If "Pages from the Book" (the cd you are referring to) sounds like a loop
repeated on and on, and at a certain moment a new loop on that.... I would
recommend not to spend any money on AUBE cds anymore.
Give it a try however with a quality headphone, and you will find out that
AUBE just doesn't do the "loop on loop"-thing.
Further recommendations? Difficult to say because of two things: AUBE has a
very huge output (take the output by Bill Laswell and multiply it by 20 and
you get an idea what he published over the years) and -since I admire his
work- I am not an objective person.
Let me try: AUBE has two sides that practically never mix, a noise side and
an ambient side. A good start for the noise side is the double cd
compilation that came out on Iris Light, called Substructural Penetration.
Good introductions for the ambient side are Flare (based on lamps), Embers
(based on fire) or Bells (speaks for itself.... IMHO the best AUBE cd ever
made).
Best thing to do is go to the website
http://www.halcyon.com/tntmusic/aube.htm and follow the link to the record
labels. Most of them carry MP3 tracks where you can hear samples.
However, please note that 95% of his output is now out of print (all items
are on limited edition)
Best wishes
Stefan Verstraeten
- -----Original Message-----
From: samuel yrui [mailto:nonintention@hotmail.com]
Sent: dinsdag 1 augustus 2000 18:02
To: zorn-list@lists.xmission.com
Subject: Re: New AUBE cd coming (no zorn content)
hey,
i have a question about Aube. i've only heard the album where he uses the
christian bible as his sound source.
i didn't like it very much because the tracks i heard was just loops of
sounds. he would have one sound looping. and then, suprise!, another sound
overlapping that at the exact same loop rate. it was somewhat interesting
but for the most part boring.
still i have not closed my mind to Aube, but i was wondering if this album
is a good example or does he have more variety?
i'm just looking to see if he has albums that are more engaging.
thanks,
samuel
- -
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Date: Wed, 02 Aug 2000 07:34:21 -0400
From: stephen drury <stevedrury@mindspring.com>
Subject: Re: scelsi/ferneyhough: recs?
re Scelsi: all the orchestral material is great, starting with Quattro
Pezzi (4 pieces on one note), and Anahit for violin and orch., and
especially the music with chorus and orchestra. Ferneyhough's 3rd quartet
is up there with Carter, Ives, Bartok, also terrific is Chute d'Icare
(excuse any of the screwed-up spellings). Ferneyhough has a solo guitar
piece in which, one movement at a time, individual strings are tuned off
precise quarter-tones. while you're at it, check out some Lachenmann or
Sciarrino ...
At 05:15 AM 7/29/00 -0600, you wrote:
>Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2000 03:35:25 CDT
>From: "Kristopher S. Handley" <thesubtlebody@hotmail.com>
>Subject: scelsi/ferneyhough: recs?
>
>Regarding Giacinto Scelsi: recommendations and descriptions of other
>recordings would be most welcome.
>
>Also, what of this Ferneyhough fellow?
- --steve
check out the cool new stuff on
http://www.stephendrury.com
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Date: Wed, 02 Aug 2000 14:06:35 GMT
From: "M. pathos" <mpathos@hotmail.com>
Subject: the dreaming syndicate
Whether Mr. MacLise was a "creative influence" or not is irrelevant. What
did HE do that innumerable other patchouli-redolent drug casualties of the
late '60s also couldn't have done? Nothing.
>Sorry, but I fail to see what comparisons of technical
musical ability have to do with creative influences in
music. Certainly Angus MacLise stands as a very important
persona in recent musical history, if only for his role in
the formation of the Velvet Underground, bridging the gap
between the 'avant-garde' of the Dream Syndicate and the
wider rock audience of the Velvets. Of course, John Cale
was also in on this, but interviews with Cale and the
other members have emphasised the importance of MacLise in
creating the group. This is a given!>
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Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2000 11:04:35 -0400
From: Dan Hewins <dan@synsolutions.com>
Subject: It's gonna rain...
Speaking of people using the early Reich works nowadays (Come Out
used in a Tortoise remix)... DJ Logic uses the "It's gonna rain"
sample in his live performances pretty often.
Dan Hewins
NP: DJ Logic Project Logic 5.7.2000 Tipitina's, N.O., LA
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Date: Wed, 02 Aug 2000 16:44:52 GMT
From: "Bill Ashline" <bashline@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: It's gonna rain...
>From: Dan Hewins <dan@synsolutions.com>
>Speaking of people using the early Reich works nowadays...
DJ Spooky samples "Come Out" on his piece on the Valis I: Destruction of
Syntax compilation
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Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2000 10:05:33 -0700
From: "s~Z" <keith@pfmentum.com>
Subject: Eskelin Query
Which of Eskelin's Black/Parkins CDs on hatOLOGY is the essential one?
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Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2000 13:19:43 -0400
From: Dan Hewins <dan@synsolutions.com>
Subject: trumpet vs. cornet
Can someone describe the difference in sound (as you hear it) between
a trumpet and a cornet?
Thanks,
Dan Hewins
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Date: Wed, 02 Aug 2000 12:35:52 CDT
From: "Kristopher S. Handley" <thesubtlebody@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Eskelin Query
>From: "s~Z" <keith@pfmentum.com>
>Which of Eskelin's Black/Parkins CDs on hatOLOGY is the essential one?
My personal favorite of the three (?) to date is easily KULAK 29 & 30, which
is about an hour or so of Eskelin's (rather longish) compositions, recorded
live. ONE GREAT DAY... and FIVE OTHER PIECES (+2) finish second and third.
Somehow KULAK comes across as more fun, synthetic (or "organix" if you
prefer). I don't always prefer Eskelin's saxophone sound, but KULAK seems
to be the clearest document of a band really hitting new territory amidst a
slew of influences (the issue of influences, "diet", and processing one's
experiences and surroundings seems to be a serious creative concern for
Eskelin, judging from the music AND the liners), though I wouldn't say it's
reducible to "eclectic". KULAK and ONE GREAT... are pretty damn terrific.
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Date: Wed, 02 Aug 2000 17:10:58 EDT
From: Dgasque@aol.com
Subject: Re: trumpet vs. cornet
In a message dated Wed, 2 Aug 2000 1:25:31 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Dan Hewins <dan@synsolutions.com> writes:
<< Can someone describe the difference in sound (as you hear it) between
a trumpet and a cornet? >>
The trumpet has a much more "brassy" sound than does the cornet.
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Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2000 17:56:09 EDT
From: Orangejazz@aol.com
Subject: about merzbow..
perhaps this is the incorrect place to post this message to, but i'm curious
if anyone knows where any of Masami Akita's writings are available?
I guess email me privately, unless you think it's relevant.
from,
matt
<A HREF="http://www.mp3.com/mattwellins">MP3.com - matt wellins</A>
(http://www.mp3.com/mattwellins)
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Date: Wed, 02 Aug 2000 17:08:55 CDT
From: "samuel yrui" <nonintention@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: about merzbow..
well,
if anyone is gonna email this info private, please send it my way too. i
didn't know akita had any published writings,other wise i would have asked
the same as matt.
thanks.
samuel
perhaps this is the incorrect place to post this message to, but i'm curious
if anyone knows where any of Masami Akita's writings are available?
I guess email me privately, unless you think it's relevant.
from,
matt
<A HREF="http://www.mp3.com/mattwellins">MP3.com - matt wellins</A>
(http://www.mp3.com/mattwellins)
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