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Zorn List Digest        Saturday, June 24 2000        Volume 02 : Number 978



In this issue:
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       New Member
       Bennington/Vermont
       siddhartha/klossowski
       Re: www.knittingfactory.com
       Re: Bennington/Vermont
       RE: Bennington/Vermont
       Re: Siddhartha
       Re: Bennington/Vermont
       Re: Frisell
       The Stones [was Re: zorn in your face]
       Re: Odp: dolphymonk!!
       ESP
       Re: Bennington/Vermont
       RE: Chi-Town/Vermont/Minneapolis

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Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2000 09:42:06 +0200
From: Tim Blechmann <[e-mail]>
Subject: New Member

Hi group,

I am new in this list. Short about me: I live in a town near
Stuttgart/Germany an next year I will finish school. The music I
listen to covers Jazz since about 1960. Musicians such as John
Coltrane, Miles Davis, Ornette Coleman, Sun Ra, Jaco Pastorius, Keith
Jarrett, Fred Frith, Elliott Sharp, Bobby Previte, Dave Douglas, Bill
Laswell, Uri Caine but also composers like Stockhausen, Steve Reich,
Philip Glass and, of course, John Zorn.


PEACE

 Tim                          mailto:[e-mail]



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Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2000 10:52:33 CDT
From: "samuel yrui" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Bennington/Vermont

RICHEY says:

      Also, check out the
colleges; Miford Graves, I believe, has a chair at Bennington, and
David Moss is a vermont native, and has taught there.


Interesting that you mention Bennington and Milford Graves.  Because I'm
enrolled for my freshman year there starting this fall, and I'm probably
taking a class with him.  I've heard his name here and there rolling around
but haven't had a chance to find out why.  Are there some websites etc and
recommended recordings of him?  Who has he worked with?
  Also, my saxophone instructor there will be Bruce Williamson, who I guess
has played with Dave Douglas.  Any info on him/other people he's worked
with.  i'm also interested in the double bass teacher there, Christopher
Faris.  I know I could probably just find out in two months and/or do some
calling but i'm curious what viewpoint i could get from people here.  for
all i know Bennington teachers or students could be members of zorny-list
world.
  hm.
   -samuel


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Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2000 11:48:20 EDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: siddhartha/klossowski

I felt the same way, except it was Demian. It really changed my perspective
drastically.

Has anyone read "Sade my Neighbor" by Klossowski? Apparently it is a sort of
analysis of Sade's philosophies...i could be wrong though.

ben

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Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2000 18:03:49 +0100
From: dan hill <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: www.knittingfactory.com

>Usually, when the KF web site is revamped, we know that the KF was able to get
>a new person to take care of their web. A few months later, you start to
<snip>

can i just clarify something ... are we talking about the same
knitting factory that secured about four million bucks in venture
capital last year??? (i know we are - see below for more details).
surely they can they afford to do a website properly???

i'm interested in this for numerous professional reasons, as well as
a fan and customer, so any opinions gratefully received.

cheers,
dan.

____________________________________________________________________
in FINANCE

   ->  KnitMedia Secures $1.2M, On Financial Roll

       To access links and related news:
       http://news.webnoize.com/cgi-bin/n/item.rq?ID=5840

       New media entertainment provider KnitMedia has secured $1.2
       million in private financing that, combined with a recent
       investment of $3 million, will let the company expand its wired
       empire into Los Angeles and Europe, and further develop its
       talent and management rosters.

       First Analysis Venture Capital provided the new equity
       investment, part of a total round KnitMedia received in August
       from New York-based The Argentum Group, which specializes in
       funding later-stage growth companies [see 8.05.99 KnitMedia to
       Use Funding For Music, Internet Expansion].

       First Analysis manages about $500 million in assets, focusing
       on both early-stage and emerging-growth ventures.

       KnitMedia operates New York's famed Knitting Factory nightclub,
       which webcasts every show from its main performing space, and
       plans soon to sell through its web site downloadable music
       files of live performances recorded at its club [see 5.24.99
       KnitMedia to Digitally Distribute Live Performances].

       A second Knitting Factory is scheduled to open in Los Angeles
       in February 2000, and a third in Berlin, Germany, by May of
       next year. All the clubs will be connected by high-speed links,
       so that performances may be webcast, according to KnitMedia.

       KnitMedia plans to use the new investment to fund the L.A.
       club, expand the artist roster of the Knitting Factory Works
       record label, and hire executives for its management team.

       The investment comes as wired nightclub competition heats up.
       House of Blues Entertainment has inaugurated a series of
       pay-per-view webcasts likely to grow now that the company has
       acquired Universal Concerts and its various live music venues.
       SFX Entertainment, the world's largest producer, promoter and
       venue operator, is developing a webcast plan of its own, as
       well as an online ticket-trading area [see related items].

       In addition to its nightclub and record label operations,
       KnitMedia owns 50% of the Digital Club Festival (formerly the
       Intel New York Music Festival), a webcast extravaganza
       historically marketed in tandem with Jupiter Communications'
       Plug.In music conference.

       Among recent KnitMedia projects is KnitTV, which features live
       webcasts from four Knitting Factory stages nightly, as well as
       archived performances. KnitTV is one of Apple Computer's newly
       launched QuickTime TV channels [see 7.21.99 RollingStone.com,
       VH1, Knitting Factory Help Launch Apple's QuickTime TV].

       KnitMedia plans to produce a music video program for
       Cablevision's broadband Internet service.

____________________________________________________________________
- --
- ---+ dan hill [state51]
    ---+ new reviews on motion [24.6.2000]:
< marc ribot y los cubanos postizos | steve gurley | indo | amon
tobin | os mutantes | robert rich | hia/biosphere >
             http://motion.state51.co.uk/   +---

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Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2000 13:35:55 EDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: Bennington/Vermont

I bet that you will have a blast studying with the various people from
Bennington.  Milfrd Graves is one of the most important drummers and
percussionists around.  He has recorded with Albert Ayler, Sonny Sharrock,
and David Murray.  John Zorn has performed with him.  Chris Farris has
recorded with the late alto saxaphonist Jimmy Stewert, an amazing musician
with whom I had the opportunity to work with when I lived in Philadelphia.
 all the best to you,

Bruce Eisenbeil

www.eisenbeil.com

In a message dated 6/24/00 11:53:59 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
[e-mail] writes:

<< Interesting that you mention Bennington and Milford Graves.  Because I'm
 enrolled for my freshman year there starting this fall, and I'm probably
 taking a class with him.  I've heard his name here and there rolling around
 but haven't had a chance to find out why.  Are there some websites etc and
 recommended recordings of him?  Who has he worked with?
   Also, my saxophone instructor there will be Bruce Williamson, who I guess
 has played with Dave Douglas.  Any info on him/other people he's worked
 with.  i'm also interested in the double bass teacher there, Christopher
 Faris.  I know I could probably just find out in two months and/or do some
 calling but i'm curious what viewpoint i could get from people here.  for
 all i know Bennington teachers or students could be members of zorny-list
 world.
   hm.
    -samuel
  >>

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Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2000 14:28:15 -0600
From: "Matthew W Wirzbicki  (S) " <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: Bennington/Vermont




>Interesting that you mention Bennington and Milford Graves.  Because I'm
>enrolled for my freshman year there starting this fall, and I'm probably
>taking a class with him.  I've heard his name here and there rolling
>around but haven't had a chance to find out why.  Are there some websites
etc
>and recommended recordings of him?  Who has he worked with?

Graves hasn't recorded much at all.  Probably the most (only?) available
recording of his is his solo album "Grand Unification" on Tzadik.  As Bruce
said he has played with Albert Ayler, Sonny Sharrock, and David Murray but I
think the recordings of him existed in another time on the now out of print
ESP label.  I know there has been some attempt to reissue the ESP recordings
by the Italian label Get Back.  Does anyone else know if any Graves material
has been reissued?

Matt Wirzbicki


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Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2000 16:36:47 -0400
From: "&c." <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Siddhartha

"Surprisingly, many people are in awe with the mystic message"

I think you are looking at the surface of the book.  I found the "mystic"
message to be a unique way to present a age old problem and point of view on
it.  I see the book to be a metaphor for the relations between youth and
older people.
Adults (parents namely) want younger people (children) to benefit from them
having made mistakes.  Children want to go it alone and make the mistakes. I
feel Hesse is greatly in favor of taking all life has to offer and running
with it and making sense of the mistakes you make.  You learn from the
mistakes until you find your ideal life.  If you don't, at least you tried.
Try every dinner at a restaurant until you find one you like, don't limit
yourself to steak because someone said the chicken and seafood aren't good.
Find for your self that they're awful.

The enlightenment Siddhartha found was his personal happiness.  He tried to
impart his happiness on his son and the son rejected it.  The son has to
find his own happiness and fulfillment.  This interpretation might just be
my youth screaming out for freedom, or not.

Zach

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Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2000 17:19:21 -0500
From: Steve Smith <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Bennington/Vermont

> Graves hasn't recorded much at all.  Probably the most (only?) available
> recording of his is his solo album "Grand Unification" on Tzadik.  As Bruce
> said he has played with Albert Ayler, Sonny Sharrock, and David Murray but I
> think the recordings of him existed in another time on the now out of print
> ESP label.  I know there has been some attempt to reissue the ESP recordings
> by the Italian label Get Back.  Does anyone else know if any Graves material
> has been reissued?

Graves recorded copiously for ESP, but, as you mention, much of it is out of
print or hard to find right now.  He's also on Sonny Sharrock's noisy,
shambolic "Black Woman," currently available as an expensive Japanese import.

Of what's available, Albert Ayler's "Love Cry" would be a good start.  The duo
CD with David Murray on DIW shouldn't be too hard to find.  Graves is also on
the newish "35th Reunion" by the New York Art Quartet (with Reggie Workman,
Roswell Rudd, John Tchicai and Amiri Baraka) also on DIW, but, as I've not
heard this yet, I can't say anything about it.  Anyone else?

Steve Smith
[e-mail]
(newly back online after a complete hard drive meltdown last Wednesday, so if
you've sent me personal mail recently and I've not replied, please try me
again...)



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Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2000 16:26:24 -0500
From: Matthew Ross Davis <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Frisell

I belive Bill was playing with Joey Baron before they both migrated over
to Naked City, and there are plenty of pre-Zorn Frisell recordings out there.

On Fri, Jun 23, 2000, Alastair Wilson <[e-mail]> wrote:

>Zornithologists:
>
>I've heard that Bill Frisell played in a trio with Percy Jones (bass) and a
>drummer (???) in the late seventies/early eighties. Can anyone shed any
>light on this line up? Did they ever record?
>
>Thanks for your help
>
>Alastair
>
>-
>
>



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Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2000 17:38:14 -0500
From: Steve Smith <[e-mail]>
Subject: The Stones [was Re: zorn in your face]

Peter Gannushkin wrote:

> JT> I definitely recognized a lot of folks that I see out at tonic and
> JT> the KF. Namely an older bearded gentleman with his wife.
>
> We always meet them on concerts. Definitely on all Zorn's and
> Friedlander's shows. Seems they are very special people because they
> were sitting at VIP seats on Zorn's Chamber Music and had Bell
> Atlantic Jazz Festival VIP cards. Do you know who are they?

As others have mentioned, they are Irving and Stephanie Stone.  They are the
patron saints of the downtown scene and have been a presence on the New York
avant-garde circuit since Ayler was at the Vanguard, and probably much
earlier.  Zorn and Tim Berne cite them as major inspirations, and I know
that they've quietly helped out Michael Dorf and the Knit from the
beginning, thus their carte blanche status at any show they care to visit.
I know their presence is seen as a vote of confidence by many artists.

Irving used to be a civil servant of the city, while Stephanie was a
singer/pianist who has recently returned to the keyboard at places like
Tonic and the Vision Festival.  They are simply lovely people, the source of
countless stories of New York music history, and an inspiration to me in all
kinds of ways - not just musical, but as a personal relationship that has
lasted for years based on mutual respect and common ground.

Next time you see them, say hello!

> JT> Of course bruce lee galager was front row dead center sporting is
> JT> tzadik tshirt.
>
> Yes, we were almost behind him on the next row.

That's "Gallanter," by the way, not "Galager."

Helpfully,
Steve Smith
[e-mail]



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Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2000 10:22:09 -0500
From: Diego Gruber <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Odp: dolphymonk!!

>
> > I sometimes think that Monk is a little bit in this situation, in the
> sense
> > that almost everybody thought that he did not know how to play (although
> > recognizing his incredible imagination and talent). Could his limited
> > control of the language of piano (in the traditional sense) be responsible
> > in part for what makes him so unique? The same way that a Genet with zero
> > education could end up writing one of the most impressive French prose?

Someone else already  said it, but I think as well that sometimes limitations
bring out the most creative sides of an artist, so that he may overcome such
limitations. I've had similar experiences. I used to paint regularly  when I was
in school and shortrly after that (not anymore with so much work and study). I
also had art classes, and i realized sometimes that i would use a technique, and
then  learn this technique was considered 'improper'  in a conventional sense.
So I started using more conventional techniques and the results were that my
paintings would look more realistic, but i wasn't entirely satisfied with them,
cause i felt they were lacking something more profound, what i'd call my
personal touch, which is what i appreciated by using my own techniques, so i
went back and kept painting 'improperly', and in this way i found that my
ignorance about some rules of painting actually helped me be more creative and
develop a 'style'. Of course, by this i don't mean that learning these correct
techniques was bad or unuseful in any way, I'm just glad i learned them after i
had made my mistakes, or I would otherwise just be doing imitations.

D




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Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2000 17:53:48 -0400
From: Rich Williams <[e-mail]>
Subject: ESP

>Graves hasn't recorded much at all.  Probably the most (only?) available
>recording of his is his solo album "Grand Unification" on Tzadik.  As Bruce
>said he has played with Albert Ayler, Sonny Sharrock, and David Murray but I
>think the recordings of him existed in another time on the now out of print
>ESP label.  I know there has been some attempt to reissue the ESP recordings
>by the Italian label Get Back.  Does anyone else know if any Graves material
>has been reissued?

    The whole Esp catalog was reissued on CD a few years ago.
Since the license expired, those issues are available all over as
cut-outs. Cadence still has some for $8. There is a new issue that's
starting to come out with better packaging. I saw a few at Other
Music the last time I was there. Has anyone compared the sound
between the 2 reissues?

Rich


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Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2000 18:11:14 EDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: Bennington/Vermont

In a message dated 6/24/00 5:23:05 PM, [e-mail]
writes:

<< Graves recorded copiously for ESP, but, as you mention, much of it is out
of
print or hard to find right now.  He's also on Sonny Sharrock's noisy,
shambolic "Black Woman," currently available as an expensive Japanese import.
>>

there's also the in-and-out of print Meditation Among Us (DIW), under
Milford's name with a band of Japanese musicians, Kaoru Abe, Toshinori Kondo,
Mototeru Takagui (tenor), and Toshiyuki Tsuchitori (drums, percussion) from
1978. I always liked this one.

in general, though, I'm not sure how well Milford translates to record. go
see him live if you have the chance. it's about more than the music; he
leaves everyone feeling really good. I know that sounds cliched, but it's
true.

Jon
www.erstwhilerecords.com

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Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2000 19:15:00 -0400
From: "Sean Terwilliger" <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: Chi-Town/Vermont/Minneapolis

Well, I live in Northampton, MA and there is one great club here, The Iron
Horse Music Hall. Umass, in Amherst and Smith, here in 'Hamp both produce
good shows at times. For not being a "big city", this is a pretty cool area.
Yousef Lateef lives just outside of Amherst and teaches at Hampshire
College.

- -Sean

>     I'm pretty sure Northampton, Mass. is close
>     to SW Vermont...and they are known to have
>     some good improv shows and a good record
>     store...I think Sonic Youth have a summer
>     place near there, and are involved in
>     the local scene...isn't that cool label
>     erudite in Northampton?
>
>     mike
>
>
> -
>
>


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