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Subject: Zorn List Digest V2 #966
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Zorn List Digest Sunday, June 18 2000 Volume 02 : Number 966
In this issue:
-
syr4
Re: syr4
Re: syr4
Re: hip hop cobra
Re: syr4
Re: syr4
Re: any comments on Cage's ATLAS ECLIPTICALIS?
Re: syr4
susana
taboo
PD: Ensemble Modern playing Zappa in Berlin
Odp: taboo
Odp: Death Ambient tonight @ Tonic, NYC 6/8
one more Modern Zappa
private message to Artur Nowak
Satoko Fujii solo concert and award nomination
Re: syr4
PD: Ensemble Modern playing Zappa in Berlin
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2000 17:56:44 -0500
From: kurt_gottschalk@scni.com
Subject: syr4
somehow i tend to always be one disc behind with the youth. my theory as to why
is pretty boring.
so i'm really entranced w/goodbye 20th c. i know little to nothing about the
pieces; approaching it as a youth disc however is really great. short-sighted,
but great. it's something like a kronos compendium/primer which might well
irritate the knowledgeable, but is valuable in learnin the rest of us.
that said, i'm particularly taken with the christian wolff trax. are these
"faithful" to his compositions? (somehow i trust kronos more than sy to deliver
the goods undamaged.) what about other pieces?
my asking also brings up how annoying it is that they include no liner notes. i
mean, no doubt people even less familiar with such stuff than i have pickd this
up and are wondering what they're listening to. someone could easily think, for
example, that they're just makin funna yoko (who i saw in central park last week
- -- *swoon*) if they aren't familiar with the instruction pieces. pretentious not
to provide info as to what they're doing here, methinks.
np: xtc: the upsy-daisey assortment
- -
------------------------------
Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2000 18:02:20 EDT
From: JonAbbey2@aol.com
Subject: Re: syr4
In a message dated 6/16/00 5:57:07 PM, kurt_gottschalk@scni.com writes:
<< that said, i'm particularly taken with the christian wolff trax. are these
"faithful" to his compositions? (somehow i trust kronos more than sy to
deliver
the goods undamaged.) what about other pieces? >>
since Wolff plays on the tracks in question, I think it's safe to say they're
faithful. as for other tracks, I recall reading somewhere that Jim O'Rourke,
Takehisa Kosugi and William Winant, all of whom have substantial backgrounds
with modern classical repertoire, helped SY in this regard.
so who's going to see SY with O'Rourke and the Brotzmann 12tet tomorrow in
NYC, besides me and Brian?
Jon
www.erstwhilerecords.com
- -
------------------------------
Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2000 18:01:58 -0400
From: Matt Laferty <bg60009@binghamton.edu>
Subject: Re: syr4
I agree a bit on Goodbye 20th Century. I like the record (it IS listenable and well
chosen) but only know something abou t some of the tracks. It's my understanding
that the Reich piece is pretty faithful (and sounds great). I'm not looking for
some kind of academic treatise either, a Byron Coley rant (I'd like to see a good
list of everywhere he's done liners and reviews...btw) would be just fine by me.
np: npr
kurt_gottschalk@scni.com wrote:
> somehow i tend to always be one disc behind with the youth. my theory as to why
> is pretty boring.
>
> so i'm really entranced w/goodbye 20th c. i know little to nothing about the
> pieces; approaching it as a youth disc however is really great. short-sighted,
> but great. it's something like a kronos compendium/primer which might well
> irritate the knowledgeable, but is valuable in learnin the rest of us.
>
> that said, i'm particularly taken with the christian wolff trax. are these
> "faithful" to his compositions? (somehow i trust kronos more than sy to deliver
> the goods undamaged.) what about other pieces?
>
> my asking also brings up how annoying it is that they include no liner notes. i
> mean, no doubt people even less familiar with such stuff than i have pickd this
> up and are wondering what they're listening to. someone could easily think, for
> example, that they're just makin funna yoko (who i saw in central park last week
> -- *swoon*) if they aren't familiar with the instruction pieces. pretentious not
> to provide info as to what they're doing here, methinks.
>
> np: xtc: the upsy-daisey assortment
>
> -
- -
------------------------------
Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2000 15:11:09 -0700 (PDT)
From: "m. rizzi" <rizzi@netcom.com>
Subject: Re: hip hop cobra
Patrice L. Roussel, demi-God and Icon sez:
>
>Talking about BROWBEAT... any idea when #3 will come out?
heh. ever since I started my own company,
browbeat has been on the "back burner"
shall we say.
someday...I hope.
mike
rizzi@netcom.com -------------------------------------- www.browbeat.com
"Another nerd with a soulpatch"
- -------- browbeat magazine, po box 11124, oakland, ca 94611-1124 -------
- -
------------------------------
Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2000 18:09:43 -0400
From: Dan Hewins <dan@synsolutions.com>
Subject: Re: syr4
>so who's going to see SY with O'Rourke and the Brotzmann 12tet tomorrow in
>NYC, besides me and Brian?
>
>Jon
>www.erstwhilerecords.com
>
>-
I am...
- -
------------------------------
Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2000 15:13:35 -0700
From: "Patrice L. Roussel" <proussel@ichips.intel.com>
Subject: Re: syr4
On Fri, 16 Jun 2000 18:01:58 -0400 Matt Laferty wrote:
>
> I agree a bit on Goodbye 20th Century. I like the record (it IS listenable and well
> chosen) but only know something abou t some of the tracks. It's my understanding
> that the Reich piece is pretty faithful (and sounds great). I'm not looking for
Although you have to be careful with the microphones. If they don't show any
enthousiasm to swing, it can completely ruin the performance.
Patrice.
- -
------------------------------
Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2000 18:39:40 -0400
From: "Caleb T. Deupree" <cdeupree@erinet.com>
Subject: Re: any comments on Cage's ATLAS ECLIPTICALIS?
At 12:33 PM 6/16/00 -0700, Patrice L. Roussel wrote:
>
> Does anybody have comments on the following record:
>
>*** - ATLAS ECLIPTICALIS & WINTER MUSIC: John Cage
>
> SEM Ensemble; David Tudor: piano; Petr Kotik: conductor.
>
> 2000 - Asphodel (USA), ??? (CD)
There was a discussion about this on the Cage list a couple of weeks ago,
archived at http://www.newalbion.com/artists/cagej/silence/html/2000q2/.
The recording generated some controversy because Kotik conducts, while Cage
specifies no conductor. Look for the thread 'Cage for orchestra'.
- --
Caleb Deupree
cdeupree@erinet.com
Work like you don't need the money. Love like you've never been hurt. Dance
like nobody's watching.
- -- Satchel Paige
- -
------------------------------
Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2000 21:11:16 -0400
From: Steve Smith <ssmith36@sprynet.com>
Subject: Re: syr4
Dan Hewins wrote:
> >so who's going to see SY with O'Rourke and the Brotzmann 12tet tomorrow in
> >NYC, besides me and Brian?
> >
> >Jon
> >www.erstwhilerecords.com
> >
> >-
>
> I am...
Funny, I just gave my ticket away to Jason "Ohm" Gross tonight. I mainly
bought it to see the Brotzmann group and now they're playing later in the month
at Tonic, a better venue. And I have to admit that SY's new one ain't doing it
for me yet. Bummed to be missing Jim O'Rourke as bass playing rock god,
though... Someone take a photo.
Steve Smith
ssmith36@sprynet.com
NP - Cecil Taylor, "First," 'Nailed' (FMP)
- -
------------------------------
Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2000 20:15:15 -0700 (PDT)
From: =?iso-8859-1?q?A?= <Enfermo@rocketmail.com>
Subject: susana
The person who brought Susana Baca to mention here was none other
than silly old me. Her voice is definitely soothing and relaxing, and
she's one of the very few local singers I tolerate.
Anyway, said record release was kinda big news here...it sure was
funny seeing John Zorn's name on the paper!
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- -
------------------------------
Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2000 20:40:17 -0700 (PDT)
From: =?iso-8859-1?q?A?= <Enfermo@rocketmail.com>
Subject: taboo
I finaly got around to buying Taboo and Exile last week...I was
pleasantly surprised because the record's much better than I thought
it was, judging from the reaction it got on all of you, I thought it
was good, just not great, but being a total Lombardo groupie, I HAD
TO HAVE IT. Anyway, it's too good, so if any of you doesn't have it,
which I doubt, go get it.
A
np: Dream Theater-Scenes from a Memory
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- -
------------------------------
Date: Sat, 17 Jun 2000 10:31:59 +0200
From: "Marcin Gokieli" <marcingokieli@go2.pl>
Subject: PD: Ensemble Modern playing Zappa in Berlin
I forward a message concering the availibility of tickets for Ensemble
Modern playing Zappa in berlin the 11.07.2000. Maybe they also cover the
other cities - there is a whole tour in Germany.
That may be great! the show is announced as Gregarry peckary & other tales.
GP is a great tune, (side A of STUDIO TAN) and EM's performance can be a
beast.
Conducted by Peter Eotvos (who joins the family of Zappa conductors - Mehta,
Boulez, Nagano, and Rundall. Well, one can talk about a quality label!).
Marcin Gokieli
marcingokieli@go2.pl
<<Thanks to this excellent device
man shall reenter paradise.>>
>From: Pinner, Barbara <mom@snx.de>
> Hello,
>
> prices for the concert are
>
> cat. E 30,00 DM
> cat. D 40,00 DM
> cat. C 50,00 DM
> cat. B 60,00 DM
> cat. A 65,00 DM
>
> plus VVK-fee 10 %. Beginning is 20.00.
>
> You can order tickets by e-mail (with your full name/adress/tel.no.), we
> will send you then an invoice. After payment tickets will be deposited at
> the ticket counter at gendarmenmarkt (Charlottenstra▀e/Taubenstra▀e).
>
> With best wishes,
>
> MEDIA ON-LINE Management GmbH & Co. Classic Open Air KG
>
> Barbara Pinner
- -
------------------------------
Date: Sat, 17 Jun 2000 10:38:47 +0200
From: "Marcin Gokieli" <marcingokieli@go2.pl>
Subject: Odp: taboo
BTW: will Blade Runner release anything more (live albums?)
Why don't they play in Warsaw ?..:-(
> I finaly got around to buying Taboo and Exile last week...I was
> pleasantly surprised because the record's much better than I thought
> it was, judging from the reaction it got on all of you, I thought it
> was good, just not great, but being a total Lombardo groupie, I HAD
> TO HAVE IT. Anyway, it's too good, so if any of you doesn't have it,
> which I doubt, go get it.
Marcin Gokieli
marcingokieli@go2.pl
<<Thanks to this excellent device
man shall reenter paradise.>>
Auden & Kallman, Stravinsky's "The Rake's Progress"
- -
------------------------------
Date: Sat, 17 Jun 2000 10:41:49 +0200
From: "Marcin Gokieli" <marcingokieli@go2.pl>
Subject: Odp: Death Ambient tonight @ Tonic, NYC 6/8
Hey, what was it like?
Marcin Gokieli
marcingokieli@go2.pl
<<Thanks to this excellent device
man shall reenter paradise.>>
Auden & Kallman, Stravinsky's "The Rake's Progress"
- -
------------------------------
Date: Sat, 17 Jun 2000 11:12:06 +0200
From: "Marcin Gokieli" <marcingokieli@go2.pl>
Subject: one more Modern Zappa
BTW i send the tour info...
ZAPPA
Greggery Peccary & Other Persuasions / Works
31.05.2000, Hannover, Eroeffnungsveranstaltung EXPO 2000
06.06.2000, Cologne, E-Werk, CologneTriennale 2000
08.06.2000, Munich, Muffathalle, Musica Viva
10.06.2000, Amsterdam, Concertgebouw (Holland Festival)
05.07.2000, Bologna, Teatro Communale (Bolgna 2000)
09./10.07.2000, Hannover, EXPO 2000
11.07.2000, Berlin, Gendarmenmarkt
09.-10.09.2000, Duisburg, Kraftzentrale (KulturRuhr 2000)
Marcin Gokieli
marcingokieli@go2.pl
<<Thanks to this excellent device
man shall reenter paradise.>>
Auden & Kallman, Stravinsky's "The Rake's Progress"
- -
------------------------------
Date: Sat, 17 Jun 2000 20:08:01 EDT
From: IOUaLive1@aol.com
Subject: private message to Artur Nowak
Artur,
Please contact me... the last email I sent to you bounced.
- -Jody
- -
------------------------------
Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2000 14:30:30 +0900
From: Allan Sutherland <ayac@sannet.ne.jp>
Subject: Satoko Fujii solo concert and award nomination
Apologies for cross posting:
The Jazz Journalists Association has nominated the Japanese pianist,
composer and big band leader in their Jazz Awards 2000 for the award of jazz
composer of the year! Congratulations, is in order, especially given the
august members on the list along with Satoko Fujii:
9) Composer of the Year
Corea, Chick
Douglas, Dave
Fuji, Satoko
Hill, Andrew
Holland, Dave
Marsalis, Wynton
Rivers, Sam
We are very especially lucky, because Satoko will be give a solo piano
performance in our house next Saturday evening, June 24, the day before the
awards winners are announced in New York. She will be performing
improvisations based on Japanese folk melodies, deconstructing Japanese Folk
Melodies. We have a large house, especially for Japan, making an intimate
venue. If there are any on this list who live near here; 30minutes from
Kumamoto, 1 hour from Fukuoka, by train, in Kyushu, southern Japan.
It is still possible to obtain tickets for our Saturday night, June 24,
performance. The sets begin at 6:45pm and 8:45pm, and finish around 7:45 and
8:45, respectively. The full price tickets, at 2,500 yen, and student
discount tickets at1500 yen, are very cheap for this type of intimate
venue, for which (especially in Japan) it would be impossible to experience
anywhere else, except for far far more expensive ticket price. (The
musicians who have performed here in the past have praised the venue for its
overall acoustics compared with many other venues that they have performed
in, I of course, would have to bow to their superior ability to assess
this, and agree with them.) Anyone who is reading this and can, is
encouraged to come, they will experience a truly wonderful performance, and
can anticipate the outcome of the award ceremony.
The venue is in Tamana, and is a mere 8 - 10 minutes walk form the station,
or about 700yen by taxi, A map of directions can be faxed or sent by email
to anyone not familiar with the town, please request one.
Reservations can be made by calling 0968-75-1262, or sending a simple email
message, with your name, number of tickets, and whether you wish these for
the first or second set. (Please note, that on the night tickets have a
small supplement of 250 yen, making them 2,750.)
Cheers,
Allan.
****************************************************************
McCoy Tyner, Charlie Parker sessionographies of all known recordings,
official and unofficial. Any information heartily appreciated, merci,
arigato, graci, thanks.
http://www.kyushu-ns.ac.jp/~allan/
- -
------------------------------
Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2000 02:38:35 CDT
From: "Christina Carter" <flowerparade@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: syr4
Just a few thoughts -
the names of composers and pieces is the information that one needs for
further research if interested. They might be trying to show that this
'classical' music can become part of our lives w/o having to go into
explanations. That is has influenced culture now to the extent that it has
become a (reachable/imaginable?) inspiration to those who are receptive (yet
not formally schooled)...
and as to the yoko track, someone could interpret it this way but it shows
how we can have innocence and not be cynical (anyone can perform this even a
child... wait - isn't that wonderful?) if we instead "read" it in the same
way that yoko wanted us to read "yes" from her art.
Not that I felt in your message that you are describing a cynical attitude
that you yourself felt, but you are describing a possibility of a reaction.
Christina
>From: kurt_gottschalk@scni.com
>To: <zorn-list@lists.xmission.com>
>Subject: syr4
>Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2000 17:56:44 -0500
>
>
>somehow i tend to always be one disc behind with the youth. my theory as to
>why
>is pretty boring.
>
>so i'm really entranced w/goodbye 20th c. i know little to nothing about
>the
>pieces; approaching it as a youth disc however is really great.
>short-sighted,
>but great. it's something like a kronos compendium/primer which might well
>irritate the knowledgeable, but is valuable in learnin the rest of us.
>
>that said, i'm particularly taken with the christian wolff trax. are these
>"faithful" to his compositions? (somehow i trust kronos more than sy to
>deliver
>the goods undamaged.) what about other pieces?
>
>my asking also brings up how annoying it is that they include no liner
>notes. i
>mean, no doubt people even less familiar with such stuff than i have pickd
>this
>up and are wondering what they're listening to. someone could easily think,
>for
>example, that they're just makin funna yoko (who i saw in central park last
>week
>-- *swoon*) if they aren't familiar with the instruction pieces.
>pretentious not
>to provide info as to what they're doing here, methinks.
>
>np: xtc: the upsy-daisey assortment
>
>
>
>-
>
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Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2000 10:34:00 +0200
From: "Marcin Gokieli" <marcingokieli@go2.pl>
Subject: PD: Ensemble Modern playing Zappa in Berlin
It seems that i have not sent this message.
BTW i repost the tour info
ZAPPA
Greggery Peccary & Other Persuasions / Works
31.05.2000, Hannover, Eroeffnungsveranstaltung EXPO 2000
06.06.2000, Cologne, E-Werk, CologneTriennale 2000
08.06.2000, Munich, Muffathalle, Musica Viva
10.06.2000, Amsterdam, Concertgebouw (Holland Festival)
05.07.2000, Bologna, Teatro Communale (Bolgna 2000)
09./10.07.2000, Hannover, EXPO 2000
11.07.2000, Berlin, Gendarmenmarkt
09.-10.09.2000, Duisburg, Kraftzentrale (KulturRuhr 2000)
> I forward a message concering the availibility of tickets for Ensemble
> Modern playing Zappa in berlin the 11.07.2000. Maybe they also cover the
> other cities - there is a whole tour in Germany.
> That may be great! the show is announced as Gregarry peckary & other
tales.
> GP is a great tune, (side A of STUDIO TAN) and EM's performance can be a
> beast.
> Conducted by Peter Eotvos (who joins the family of Zappa conductors -
Mehta,
> Boulez, Nagano, and Rundall. Kind of 'quality label!').
> Marcin Gokieli
> marcingokieli@go2.pl
> <<Thanks to this excellent device
> man shall reenter paradise.>>
>
> >From: Pinner, Barbara <mom@snx.de>
> > Hello,
> >
> > prices for the concert are
> >
> > cat. E 30,00 DM
> > cat. D 40,00 DM
> > cat. C 50,00 DM
> > cat. B 60,00 DM
> > cat. A 65,00 DM
> >
> > plus VVK-fee 10 %. Beginning is 20.00.
> >
> > You can order tickets by e-mail (with your full name/adress/tel.no.), we
> > will send you then an invoice. After payment tickets will be deposited
at
> > the ticket counter at gendarmenmarkt (Charlottenstra▀e/Taubenstra▀e).
> >
> > With best wishes,
> >
> > MEDIA ON-LINE Management GmbH & Co. Classic Open Air KG
> >
> > Barbara Pinner
- -
------------------------------
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