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From: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com (Zorn List Digest)
To: zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com
Subject: Zorn List Digest V2 #950
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Zorn List Digest Wednesday, May 31 2000 Volume 02 : Number 950
In this issue:
-
ECM cds for trade (no zorn content)
Cuong Vu @ Tonic 5/29/00
Re: the young gods live - review
Fw: Evan Lurie
Re: Oregon & Elvin Jones?
magazines?
Re: brotzmann 10tet + 2 in sf
Re: webern box set
Re: brotzmann 10tet + 2 in sf
Re: the young gods live - review
destroy or publish? (was: Re: webern box set)
milan kundera (was: Re: webern box set)
Re: milan kundera (was: Re: webern box set)
Re: destroy or publish? + aesthetics of theft
Re: webern box set
o'rourke/mori
Re: o'rourke/mori
RE: milan kundera (was: Re: webern box set)
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Date: Tue, 30 May 2000 18:21:45 +0200
From: "john rust" <johnrust@blinx.de>
Subject: ECM cds for trade (no zorn content)
Is there anyone willing to trade for the following ECM releases:
J. Taylor/N. Winstone/K. Wheeler - Azimuzh '85
Egberto Gismonti - Danca Das Cabecas
Paul Bley - Open, To Love
mail off list please
- -
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Date: Tue, 30 May 2000 14:50:32 EDT
From: MorMovies@aol.com
Subject: Cuong Vu @ Tonic 5/29/00
Cuong Vu performed last night at Tonic with his killer quartet- Jamie Saft
(keys), Stomu Takeishi (bass) and Jim Black (drums, bowls, bells, chimes,
pots & pans, etc.)- and performed virtually all the cuts from his new cd,
BOUND. Vu got wild applause and screams after performing the vocal title
track. Saft and Black really stretched out. Black went into solo psychotic
overdrive on the jungle rhythm finale of "Bound!" Definitely catch this
group the next time they play!
- -
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Date: Tue, 30 May 2000 20:58:02 +0200
From: 2L <laurent.levy@fnac.net>
Subject: Re: the young gods live - review
patRice a =E9crit :
> i had the pleasure of seeing "the young gods" live last friday.
>
> their new cd will be out some time in autumn.
>
> what can i say? i've been a fan of them for years, still enjoy listenin=
g
> to their stuff, but wasn't too sure how the concert was going to be.
> also, they hadn't played live for over three years. (last time i saw
> them live was in 1992.)
>
> i was simply blown away! (which surprised me; but maybe a little bit of
> nostalgia had an influence here...) the idea of "just"
> drums/vocals/samplers has always appealed to me. especially with the
> young gods, because the guy on the sampling machines comes up with lots
> and lots of great stuff.
>
> for their new material they've updated their sound library quite a bit.
> there are more techno/house/dub/dance sounds used.
>
> trying to be as objective as possible, i must admit that the new
> material was nothing groundbreaking. it's still built on the formula
> we've known from them for years. but the way the songs are
> written/programmed is very good, very professional.
>
> also the new drummer was very, very good. (better than the previous one=
,
> imho.) solid playing throughout the gig. not a single mistake; and
> playing along to sequenced stuff is rather demanding.
>
> where's the zorn content here? well, franz treichel - the singer - is o=
n
> one of the tzadik "tribute" cds. and roli mosiman, who used to be their
> producer, has also down some work in the downtown scene, if my memory
> serves right.
>
> if you like their old stuff, i'd definitely recommend to go and check
> them out live!
>
> patRice
>
> np: marc ribot y los cubanos, the 1st cd
>
> -
Glad to read this because today, I just bought my ticket for the Paris sh=
ow
which is going to take place on June 5th @ la maroquinerie.
2L.
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Date: Tue, 30 May 2000 21:32:12 +0200
From: "Stephane Vuilleumier" <vuilleumier@micro.biol.ethz.ch>
Subject: Fw: Evan Lurie
Does anyone know anything about these records?
Y a quelqu'un qui a entendu parler de ces galettes?
Stephane
- -----Original Message-----
From: Viguier Benoit <benoit.viguier@eurogroup.fr>
To: svuilleu@micro.biol.ethz.ch <svuilleu@micro.biol.ethz.ch>
Date: mardi, 30. mai 2000 18:21
Subject: John & Evan Lurie, Marc Ribot, Arto Lindsay, Ezter Balint
>3/ Evan Lurie & EJ Gold : The Tokyo Tour (CD, 19??)
>7/ Jimmi Accardi and Evan Lurie : The Skandhas (??, 19??)
>
>Sorry for the inconvenient (and for my english)
- -
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Date: Tue, 30 May 2000 16:09:56 -0400 (EDT)
From: Ken Waxman <cj649@freenet.toronto.on.ca>
Subject: Re: Oregon & Elvin Jones?
Considering I heard it when it came out and it's been in the basement for
the past decade or so, not very inspiring IMHO More Oregon than Elvin. if
ya know what I mean.
Ken Waxman
On Fri, 26 May 2000, Lang Thompson wrote:
> Saw a catalog listing for a reissued 1976 album called "Together" by this
> unlikely combination. Anybody know what it's like?
>
> LT
- -
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Date: Tue, 30 May 2000 16:24:55 -0400
From: "D. Mendonca" <mendod@pressroom.com>
Subject: magazines?
i'd like to collect a listing of magazines covering zorn's (or
zorn-related) music. results will be added to the faq. i know there
are some link pages out there, but i think it's worthwhile to collect
info from people on this list.
to contribute, please respond to me and not the list. i don't want to
be responsible for generating tons of redundant traffic. i will post
the collected responses once to the list, after which they'll reside
on the faq.
if you can contribute, please send the following info to me at
mendod@pressroom.com:
magazine title, {publisher}, {street address}, city, state, country,
{phone}, {web and/or email address}
NOTE: items in {} are optional. the point is to have the info in case
someone wants to try and get the magazine.
thanks,
david
- -
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Date: Tue, 30 May 2000 23:07:29 -0600
From: Chris Sundberg <shangomoons@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: brotzmann 10tet + 2 in sf
Anyone know if these guys are getting back in the studio? I heard that Kv
was going to try with his genius grant money, but haven't heard anything
further. Anybody know?
Chris
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Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 01:17:06 EDT
From: Nudeants@aol.com
Subject: Re: webern box set
In a message dated 5/30/00 12:35:29 PM Eastern Daylight Time, ari.h@wol.be
writes:
<< remember that also franz kafka didn't want
his manuscripts to be published and asked his friend max brod to burn all of
them after his death. but can't we all be glad brod published the
manuscripts anyway?
>>
Not necessarily... I mean, should he have had to go to the extent of
destroying them, just because he didn't want them published? If he really
wanted them published, he would have done so in his lifetime...
Read Testaments Betrayed, by Milan Kundera, which speaks very specifically
and eloquently on this and other topics, much more than I could.
matt mitchell
- -
------------------------------
Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 10:41:27 CEST
From: "Andreas Dietz" <andreasdietz@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: brotzmann 10tet + 2 in sf
>From: Chris Sundberg <shangomoons@yahoo.com>
>
>Anyone know if these guys are getting back in the studio? I heard that Kv
>was going to try with his genius grant money, but haven't heard anything
>further. Anybody know?
>
OKKA recently released a new CD from Victo last year:
BR╓TZMANN CHICAGO TENTET: Stone/Water (OD12032):
Peter Br÷tzmann ¡ tenor sax/clarinet
Ken Vandermark ¡ tenor sax/clarinet/bass
clarinet
Mats Gustafsson ¡ tenor sax/fluteophone
Joe McPhee ¡ pocket cornet/valve
trombone/soprano sax
Jeb Bishop ¡ trombone
Kondo - trumpet/electronics
Fred Lonberg-Holm ¡ cello, violin
Parker - bass
Kent Kessler ¡ bass
Michael Zerang ¡ drums
Hamid Drake ¡ drums/frame drum
Andreas Dietz
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------------------------------
Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 11:22:16 +0200
From: patRice <gda@datacomm.ch>
Subject: Re: the young gods live - review
laurent wrote:
>>Glad to read this because today, I just bought my ticket for the Paris >>show
>>which is going to take place on June 5th @ la maroquinerie.
>>2L.
hi laurent!
well - just don't expect too much. that way you wont get disappointed.
but, honestly: i was blown away! very moved! (it took me two days to
"recover" from the concert! which hasn't happened to me in a long time!)
they also performed two, three songs off the first album - pure bliss!
one of the swiss daily papers has a reputation for writing negative
concert reviews, but for tyg review the journalist just kept raving,
raving, raving.
hope you'll enjoy it! let me know if you did!
yours,
patRice
- -
------------------------------
Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 11:22:01 +0200
From: patRice <gda@datacomm.ch>
Subject: destroy or publish? (was: Re: webern box set)
Ari wrote:
>
> i don't think you have to feel mixed about this. webern composed those
> pieces and i think that if he really didn't want them to be published, he
> would have destroyed the scores by himself. maybe, some of the genius of the
> 20th century are just too modest. remember that also franz kafka didn't want
> his manuscripts to be published and asked his friend max brod to burn all of
> them after his death. but can't we all be glad brod published the
> manuscripts anyway?
hi ari!
i somewhat agree with you. like i said, i'm glad i finally have the
possibility to listen to those pieces.
but at the same time i feel it is very, very important to respect
people's wishes. did i have such a famous and artistically important
friend who asked me something to that extent, i don't think i could
possibly go against that wish.
patRice
np: miles davis filles de kilimanjaro
- -
------------------------------
Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 11:22:36 +0200
From: patRice <gda@datacomm.ch>
Subject: milan kundera (was: Re: webern box set)
Nudeants@aol.com wrote:
>
>
> Read Testaments Betrayed, by Milan Kundera, which speaks very specifically
> and eloquently on this and other topics, much more than I could.
>
i hope nobody on the lists minds we're talking a little about books
every now and then!?
can anyone else second the matt's recommendation for this milan kundera
book?
yours,
patRice
- -
------------------------------
Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 09:56:11 CDT
From: "Kristopher S. Handley" <thesubtlebody@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: milan kundera (was: Re: webern box set)
>From: patRice <gda@datacomm.ch>
>can anyone else second the matt's recommendation for this milan kundera
>book?
>
>yours,
>patRice
I read Kundera's TESTAMENTS BETRAYED after finishing his novels, which I
loved passionately at the time, especially UNBEARABLE LIGHTNESS and
IMMORTALITY (which is probably his finest, IMHO). Music courses through
Kundera's prose with great vigor, and one needn't assert this sophistically:
he was a music student at one time, and music as both theme and process
seems to reappear regularly, most obviously with the use of one of
Beethoven's late quartets as an _idee fixe_ (sp?) of both defiance and
resignation in UNBEARABLE (I think...geez, they're blurring through the
years in my mind). TESTAMENTS is Kundera on method; it's a kind of
metacritical meditation. He seems to be dead-set against the absoluteness
of conviction and the imposition of simple morality on writing. Where we
once might have been asked to suspend disbelief, we are now implored to
suspend judgment. I think. It's been at least a few years or so since I
read the book, but I remember it being accessible and seductive, just like
all Kundera's work. One need not adjust to his so-called "non-fiction" at
all: there's simply very little difference. He even manages to slag Keith
Jarrett, if indirectly (cf. the passages when he talks about playing
ecstatic improvised piano as a young boy and pissing off his musician
father).
I've found a number of brilliant Czech writers worth reading, including
Josef Svorecky (who was apparently a professional jazz saxophonist for a
time; his BASS SAXOPHONE is about music, among other things) and Ivan Klima
(sp?). But that's the extent of my knowledge of Czech writing...
- -----s
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Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 10:42:55 CDT
From: "Kristopher S. Handley" <thesubtlebody@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: destroy or publish? + aesthetics of theft
>Ari wrote:
>>i think that if he really didn't want them to be published, he
> > would have destroyed the scores by himself...remember that also franz
>kafka didn't want
> > his manuscripts to be published and asked his friend max brod to burn
>all of
> > them after his death. but can't we all be glad brod published the
> > manuscripts anyway?
I don't know the details of Kafka's life, but it would seem that his ceding
the responsibility to destroy his earlier work to Brod seemed very much as
"cry for help", at least to Brod, at the time. Someone else who destroyed
years of work in a pot-belly stove (apparently)---juvenilia though it
was---was Harry Partch; but this quiet private act, like a suicide without
hesitation, was a decision; it sounds like neither Kafka nor Webern could
bring themselves to make any such decision. Some betrayals take on a sense
of aesthetic nobility, and seem to go beyond the simple moralizing of the
author-centered world-view, as they emerge into a kind of "necessity"; for
example, why should the author/artist decide how her work is to be
presented, and what work is to be presented? (This topic has come up more
than once in the past year or two.) I know money perverts things, and
obvious greed, contempt, and disregard for the artist's feelings (i.e.
bootleggers; unauthorized tapers---maybe; Knit broadcasts w/o permission of
artists; maybe even Napster?) represent nothing less than a mobilization of
the need to hurt that which you love, i.e. that (he/she) who produced what
you love. The very existence of DJs, many electronic musicians, sampling
practices/technologies, and artists like Tetreault and Marclay and
Negativland, just for bare starters---these are signs of our times, and
should be seen as betrayers who do so without malice, but rather the desire
to exapnd the palette of available practices. Allowing artists to DICTATE
how we read/see/listen would seem to me to harm creativity in the long run,
and to claustrophobically limit what we can experience. I can't turn this
into a prescription or a political philosophy, but I hope no one whose work
I consider great would entrust me with a duty that irrational. I would
betray them, gladly.
- -----s, sorry for the long posts, people; the D&G logorrhea, as the
venerable Mr. Cochrane might put it, has struck again!
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------------------------------
Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 09:38:44 -0700
From: "Patrice L. Roussel" <proussel@ichips.intel.com>
Subject: Re: webern box set
On Wed, 31 May 2000 01:17:06 EDT Nudeants@aol.com wrote:
>
> In a message dated 5/30/00 12:35:29 PM Eastern Daylight Time, ari.h@wol.be
> writes:
>
> << remember that also franz kafka didn't want
> his manuscripts to be published and asked his friend max brod to burn all of
> them after his death. but can't we all be glad brod published the
> manuscripts anyway?
> >>
>
>
> Not necessarily... I mean, should he have had to go to the extent of
> destroying them, just because he didn't want them published? If he really
> wanted them published, he would have done so in his lifetime...
I am not sure that I understand what you are trying to say (specially the
"Not necessarily..." which seems to imply that Brod should have respected
his friend's will -- I am happy that he did not).
Anyway, in a few other mails, I detected the romantic notion that an artist
is in a privileged situation to judge the value of his art. I have to disagree
almost completely on that. Nonobody is more biased than an artist, his
friends, or his record company to judge the value of his production. Maybe
if you can approach the artist as a friend will you get a reliable confession
(like: "yes, my last record sucks but I needed the money"). But if you listen
to the ambient buzz (ads, interviews, etc), there is a lot of bullshit.
I can't remember a situation where a musician, when asked about his favorite
achievement, did not mention his last record (Tony Conrad being maybe the
only exception :-). Most of the time I disagree with them and think that
their best achievements belong to the past. Yes, their last record is showing
better control, superior production, higher crafmanship, blabla... but
the magic or the freshness is not there anymore. I think that when artists
get older (something that they share with us), their interest in what is good
and what is bad moves away from what made them so unique in the first place.
The product might be better from a general purpose consumption, but it has
often lost what created the original excitement.
Patrice.
- -
------------------------------
Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 12:38:27 EDT
From: Orangejazz@aol.com
Subject: o'rourke/mori
Does anyone know when the O'Rourke/Mori cd is coming out and on which label?
Any other information would be appreciated as well.
from,
matt
- -
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Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 09:41:58 -0700
From: "Patrice L. Roussel" <proussel@ichips.intel.com>
Subject: Re: o'rourke/mori
On Wed, 31 May 2000 12:38:27 EDT Orangejazz@aol.com wrote:
>
> Does anyone know when the O'Rourke/Mori cd is coming out and on which label?
> Any other information would be appreciated as well.
> from,
Are you talking about:
- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
*** - ???: Kim Gordon
Kim Gordon; DJ Olive; Ikue Mori; Yuka Honda; etc.
2000 - SYR (USA), ??? (CD)
Note: not released yet.
- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
or is there another one?
Patrice.
- -
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Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 13:11:17 -0400
From: "Ljova" <L@Ljova.com>
Subject: RE: milan kundera (was: Re: webern box set)
While we're on the subject of Kundera, let me briefly recommend his book
"The Art of the Novel".
It is a non-fiction work comprised of seven essays and/or interviews about
his works, Cervantes, the Novel, and some even thoughts on music. One part
is called "Dialogues on the art of Composition".
I was reading it last week ... it's great.
- -Ljova
- --------
Lev "Ljova" Zhurbin
L@Ljova.com
http://Ljova.com/
Listen to my music:
http://mp3.com/LevZhurbin/ (compositions)
http://mp3.com/Ljova/ (improvisations)
http://mp3.com/FreeBach/ (Free Bach Project)
"Do not fear mistakes - there are none."
-Miles Davis
- -----Original Message-----
From: owner-zorn-list@lists.xmission.com
[mailto:owner-zorn-list@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Kristopher S.
Handley
Sent: Wednesday, May 31, 2000 10:56 AM
To: zorn-list@lists.xmission.com
Subject: Re: milan kundera (was: Re: webern box set)
I read Kundera's TESTAMENTS BETRAYED after finishing his novels, which I
loved passionately at the time, especially UNBEARABLE LIGHTNESS and
IMMORTALITY (which is probably his finest, IMHO). Music courses through
Kundera's prose with great vigor, and one needn't assert this sophistically:
he was a music student at one time, and music as both theme and process
seems to reappear regularly, most obviously with the use of one of
Beethoven's late quartets as an _idee fixe_ (sp?) of both defiance and
resignation in UNBEARABLE (I think...geez, they're blurring through the
years in my mind). TESTAMENTS is Kundera on method; it's a kind of
metacritical meditation. He seems to be dead-set against the absoluteness
of conviction and the imposition of simple morality on writing. Where we
once might have been asked to suspend disbelief, we are now implored to
suspend judgment. I think. It's been at least a few years or so since I
read the book, but I remember it being accessible and seductive, just like
all Kundera's work. One need not adjust to his so-called "non-fiction" at
all: there's simply very little difference. He even manages to slag Keith
Jarrett, if indirectly (cf. the passages when he talks about playing
ecstatic improvised piano as a young boy and pissing off his musician
father).
I've found a number of brilliant Czech writers worth reading, including
Josef Svorecky (who was apparently a professional jazz saxophonist for a
time; his BASS SAXOPHONE is about music, among other things) and Ivan Klima
(sp?). But that's the extent of my knowledge of Czech writing...
- -----s
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