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Subject: Zorn List Digest V2 #948
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Zorn List Digest Saturday, May 27 2000 Volume 02 : Number 948
In this issue:
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Re: Naftule's Dream
great links: LMC, Jazzweekly, etc.
RE:jazz is not dead, it just smells funny
oops: (musings)
new Ruins album
for those who missed it last night...
Oregon & Elvin Jones?
Re: Oregon & Elvin Jones?
Quick recommendations
Re: Quick recommendations
Re: Quick recommendations
Cuong Vu (was: Jamie Saft)
drumm
Re: drumm
Re: drumm
Persuasions do Zappa on NPR's Weekend Edition THIS WEEKEND
MMW on Sessions
RE: MMW on Sessions
Masada in NYC
RE: MMW on Sessions
RE: MMW on Sessions
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Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 18:53:29 +0200
From: Tal Goldman <telly_o@softhome.net>
Subject: Re: Naftule's Dream
> From: Theo Klaase <river_of_dogs@yahoo.com>
>Subject: Naftule's Dream
> I must thank whomever it was, from the list, that
>recommended Naftule's Dream's latest CD. It's just
>what I was looking for. I've always been interested
>in Klezmer, since purchasing all 10 Masada albums, and
>have wondered how other musician's view the genre in
>general. These guys are amazing. I love this
>album...
BTW, there are 3 tracks from their "Smash, Clap!" CD
available at http://artists.mp3s.com/artists/28/naftules_dream.html
Also check out the 4 mp3s from the David Binney Group (with
Uri Caine, Ben Monder, Kenny Wollesen) at
http://artists.mp3s.com/artists/26/david_binney_group.html
Download then buy.
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Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 16:25:15 CDT
From: "Kristopher S. Handley" <thesubtlebody@hotmail.com>
Subject: great links: LMC, Jazzweekly, etc.
Common knowledge to many of you, but great recent discoveries for me:
1. London Musicians Collective website - http://www.l-m-c.org.uk/
Featuring, under the "Publications" link, selections from the fine
journal RESONANCE, which I believe the venerable Richard Cochrane now edits.
I need a sub to this in a bad way. Texts provided free online include a
history of plunderphonics by Chris Cutler; Nicholas Collins and Hugh Davies
on instruments and instrumentality; Howard Slater on Morton Feldman;
intervgiews of Tim Hodgkinson, Iancu Dumitrecu, DJ Spooky, Martin Tetreault,
David Shea, and George Lewis; Keith Rowe on his use of radio as "found
sounds"; Bob Ostertag on "Why Computer Music Sucks" (we love Bob); Otomo
Yoshihide on Japanese Improv in the 70s (yes!!); and other goodies. Wow!
Fine, fine site, for those who have not yet had the pleasure...
2. Jazzweekly.com - I've only read a handful of interviews from this site,
and occasionally they're really interesting; not usually heady, but
heartfelt. I find that there's often new material and interesting factoids
as well. Plus, a very nice site.
3. Musings - Richard Cochrane's site of record reviews. Very nice, not a
bad way to see what you're getting into. Clever, often acerbic; but never
snide----often enthusiastic but never gush.
Just a few things to keep the comrades busy!
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Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 17:26:29 EDT
From: "& c." <parksplace@hotmail.com>
Subject: RE:jazz is not dead, it just smells funny
I'm sure he's not serious. It'd be sad if he were. I think Coltrane is
great, but to attribute the creation of jazz to him is absurd. They are
many other musicians that predated Coltran that were suberb, and many
afterward who at least equaled him. Jazz has been innovated since his death
(Who is this discussion list about?). Our friend needs to look farther than
the Coltrane discography for jazz.
Marsalis is just torturing jazz. Kenny G has dealt some near mortal blows
against jazz, though.
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Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 16:34:49 CDT
From: "Kristopher S. Handley" <thesubtlebody@hotmail.com>
Subject: oops: (musings)
Excuse me: the correct name for Cochrane's site is
(musings)
and its URL is: http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Square/6100/
- ----s
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Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 23:45:35 -0400
From: "Dann-Brown" <DLB7@prodigy.net>
Subject: new Ruins album
Greetings,
Checking out Yoshida's webpage.... there's a new Ruins album coming out
soon.
No exact date given on the webpage (it just says 'coming soon'), but the
album is called PALLASCHTOM. You can listen to a couple short clips from
the album at the Ruins/Magaibutsu website:
http://www.geocities.co.jp/Hollywood-Kouen/9347/ruins.html
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Dann-Brown
np: "Cyborg Fish", Motor Humming - MUSICAL ALUMINUM
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Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 00:10:36 EDT
From: JonAbbey2@aol.com
Subject: for those who missed it last night...
there's one more appearance by Dafeldecker and Kurzmann in the NYC area, thi=
s=20
Saturday. info below, although I'd advise not going to the web site=20
mentioned, which will mess up your browser in the name of art. I also think=20
the "superstar guests" are Pan Sonic, but I'm not positive about that.
the Tonic sets last night were superb. a duo of Dafeldecker/Roberts, followe=
d=20
by a duo of Stangl/Kurzmann, followed by a quartet set. I'd be curious to=20
hear from other people who were there (the club was really crowded for a=20
midnight weekday show, which was nice), but I thought all three sets were=20
really great. Dafeldecker and Roberts mostly played tabletop guitars, Stangl=
=20
alternated between acoustic and electric guitars (the acoustic one was=20
borrowed and he wasn't happy with it), and Kurzmann played his Mac. it was=20
only the second time that Kurzmann and Stangl had played in duo, the first=20
being to record Schnee, so this was the first performance in front of a=20
crowd, not that you'd know it by their telepathic interplay. in the middle o=
f=20
the quartet set, there was a flash thunderstorm with lightning flashing=20
through the windows and the sound of the rain on the roof almost overpowerin=
g=20
the music. it reminded me of Bailey's Music and Dance record, really nice.=20
there's also a new CD of the first two parts of Stangl's opera, Venusmond=20
(part 3 premiered last week in Chicago, five parts are eventually intended).=
=20
Stangl wrote the music and Oswald Egger the text, but what people may be=20
interested in is the musicians involved, especially part 1, which is a=20
quintet of Stangl, Dafeldecker, Kevin Drumm, O'Rourke and Gene Coleman. no=20
electronics involved (it was recorded in 8/97, at a performance which I wish=
=20
I was aware of at the time, on the observatory deck of the Empire State=20
Building). part 2 is a much larger band, but includes such notables as Thoma=
s=20
Lehn, Radu Malfatti and Michael Moser, along with Stangl and Dafeldecker.=20
it's on an Austrian label called Quell, and the CD says there's a web site a=
t=20
http://vnm.mur.at, but I haven't checked it out yet.
anyone attending the Musique Action festival in Nancy, France next week who=20
wants to pick up some Erstwhile CDs inexpensively should get in touch with=20
me, either by e-mail in the next 24 hours or at my hotel in Nancy, the H=F4t=
el=20
Albert 1er, where I'll be from 5/29-6/2.
how was the T=E9treault show in Victoriaville?
Jon
www.erstwhilerecords.com
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Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 00:16:38 -0400
From: Lang Thompson <wlt4@mindspring.com>
Subject: Oregon & Elvin Jones?
Saw a catalog listing for a reissued 1976 album called "Together" by this
unlikely combination. Anybody know what it's like?
LT
- -------------------------------------------
Adventures In Sound
http://wlt4.home.mindspring.com/adventures.htm
Full Alert Film Review
http://wlt4.home.mindspring.com/fafr.htm
Funhouse
http://wlt4.home.mindspring.com/funhouse.htm
- -
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Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 09:49:40 EDT
From: Nvinokur@aol.com
Subject: Re: Oregon & Elvin Jones?
Its basically an Oregon album with Elvin Jones sitting in. If you like
Oregon, pick it up.
- -
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Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 07:56:39 -0700
From: William Crump <william@steno.com>
Subject: Quick recommendations
Good morning ladies and germs,
I'm heading down to the city tomorrow for Masada in Oakland, and of
course I'll be dropping in at Amoeba in Berkeley to damage my credit
rating even further. The only definite plans are for the 3CD "early
gurus of electronic music" set, and the rerelease of Brotzmann's
"Nipples." What other one or two discs would the list say I absolutely
must not be without?
Cheers,
William Crump
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Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 09:01:09 -0700
From: "s~Z" <keithmar@jetlink.net>
Subject: Re: Quick recommendations
conlon nancarrow
studies for player piano
Wergo (WER 6907 2)
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Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 13:02:24 EDT
From: Dgasque@aol.com
Subject: Re: Quick recommendations
In a message dated 5/26/00 11:00:31 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
william@steno.com writes:
<< Good morning ladies and germs,
I'm heading down to the city tomorrow for Masada in Oakland, and of
course I'll be dropping in at Amoeba in Berkeley to damage my credit
rating even further. The only definite plans are for the 3CD "early
gurus of electronic music" set, and the rerelease of Brotzmann's
"Nipples." What other one or two discs would the list say I absolutely
must not be without? >>
Tony Martinez- Maferefun
The hottest horn charts you'll ever hear. Oh yeah- it's Salsa/Latin-jazz
stuff...
- --
np: Apples in Stereo- The Discovery of a World Inside the Moone
=dg=
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Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 12:18:35 -0500 (CDT)
From: Tom Benton <rancor@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu>
Subject: Cuong Vu (was: Jamie Saft)
Hugo Linares <hlinares@utenet.com.ar> wrote:
> Speaking of Cuong Vu, I recently picked up "Bound" (Omnitone) whose
> lineup includes both Saft and Black, plus bassist extraordinaire Stomu
> Takeishi. On first listenings it's challenging and cutting edge, though
> I regret when Cuong sings (one track, if memory serves).
I actually rather dug the vocal tune - I think Vu's got quite a cool
voice, at a couple points in there it sounds as if Cassandra Wilson has
ambushed the studio and grabbed the mic.
Though I agree regarding your assessment of the remainder of the
album. What could have been another freaky downtown jazz record is
something subtly different, Vu seems to be pulling very heavily from pop
music in how he organizes his tunes and it's also very nice to see his
citations of Copland and Ives as compositional influences. 'The Drift' is
probably my favorite track on the record and seems to me to be very
Copland-esque, a big anthemic melody that get larger each time they
restate it (has anyone mentioned Vu's penchant for pedals, mostly reverb
and delay? They're all over the place on this album and he manages to do
some very impressive stuff with them).
This band is playing at Tonic on Monday - some of you lucky NYC bastards
should go and give us a report.
- -
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Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 16:55:59 EDT
From: APoesia794@aol.com
Subject: drumm
BOXCD001 Kevin Drumm / Taku Sugimoto
anybody have a copy of this album that they are willing to trade or sell? i'm looking for any kevin drumm live stuff as well. thanks. j.
- -
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Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 17:32:16 -0400
From: "Jesse Kudler" <jkudler@mail.wesleyan.edu>
Subject: Re: drumm
I could burn a copy for you, but I don't want to actually part with it.
It's actually not nearly as good as the "Duo" collaborative CD by those two
on Meme. On the Boxmedia record, they play separately (it's actually a
split), two tracks from Drumm and maybe five from Sugimoto. The Drumm
tracks are pretty good, but not as advanced as the stuff on his full-length
solo CD. I've haven't heard any other solo Sugimoto stuff that I can
recall, so I can't compare his stuff on the Boxmedia record to his other
recordings, but I will say that I'm a bit underwhelmed.
Anyway, I'd recommend "Duo." I'm pretty sure it's still in print, and
Forced Exposure should have copies, though it's a bit pricey, especially
considering that it's only 33 minutes long in total.
- -Jesse
- ----- Original Message -----
From: <APoesia794@aol.com>
To: <zorn-list@lists.xmission.com>
Sent: Friday, May 26, 2000 4:55 PM
Subject: drumm
> BOXCD001 Kevin Drumm / Taku Sugimoto
>
> anybody have a copy of this album that they are willing to trade or sell?
i'm looking for any kevin drumm live stuff as well. thanks. j.
>
>
>
> -
>
>
- -
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Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 20:28:48 EDT
From: JonAbbey2@aol.com
Subject: Re: drumm
In a message dated 5/26/00 5:30:43 PM, jkudler@mail.wesleyan.edu writes:
<< It's actually not nearly as good as the "Duo" collaborative CD by those two
on Meme. On the Boxmedia record, they play separately (it's actually a
split), two tracks from Drumm and maybe five from Sugimoto. The Drumm
tracks are pretty good, but not as advanced as the stuff on his full-length
solo CD. I've haven't heard any other solo Sugimoto stuff that I can
recall, so I can't compare his stuff on the Boxmedia record to his other
recordings, but I will say that I'm a bit underwhelmed.
Anyway, I'd recommend "Duo." I'm pretty sure it's still in print, and
Forced Exposure should have copies, though it's a bit pricey, especially
considering that it's only 33 minutes long in total. >>
I'm not really a fan of either of these records, to be honest. the one on
Meme seems forced into the label's superquiet aesthetic, and the BOXmedia
split one isn't as good as their respective solo work (Jesse: check out
Sugimoto's Opposite (hat Noir), a truly gorgeous record). the reason that
Kevin called his second solo record Second is that he felt it was only his
second "real" record, discounting these two Sugimoto discs.
I apologize in advance if this comes across as obnoxious, but I have a great
sounding CD-R of a Drumm/Sugimoto show from Tokyo this April, which is
infinitely better musically than either of the two released so far. don't
contact me about getting a copy, please; I only mention it because it proves
to me that this combo really does have great possibilities.
I'm unsubscribing from the list for a couple of weeks while I'm in Europe, so
I'll see you all when I get back.
Jon
www.erstwhilerecords.com
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Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 20:14:57 -0600
From: smokey@laplaza.org
Subject: Persuasions do Zappa on NPR's Weekend Edition THIS WEEKEND
Just heard a blurb in passing and I'm not sure if it's this Saturday or
Sunday morning, but the little music I heard was wordless vocals - I
generally like Zappa better without the yammering, so I'll be tuning in,
though I'm sure they'll get around to words... The Persuasions appeared
on a couple Z albums, mostly doing "sacrilegious gospel".
I just now searched this out at
http://www.a-cappella.com/persuasions.html :
///////////////
FRANKLY A CAPPELLA (2000 on Island)
A must-have for Persuasions fans, and a CD that could make you a
convert! Frank Zappa
gave them their first record deal back in 1969, and here they repay the
musical debt with a
tribute to his music. The (now) six singers say they worked harder on
this album than any
other, and it shows! The arrangements are an order of magnitude more
sophisticated - from
the "instrumental" version of "Lumpy Gravy" that opens the CD, to the
rhythmic background
of "You Are What You Is," to the "nose trombone" of "Cheap Thrills"
(alternating seamlessly
with Zappa's trombonist). More care was paid to production here than on
any Persuasions
album in recent memory, with layers of subtlety that slowly peel off
with repeat listenings.
Highly recommended! (43:03)
Lumpy Gravy
Any Way the Wind Blows
Electric Aunt Jemima
The Meek Shall Inherit Nothing
Interlude
Cheap Thrills
Hotplate Heaven at the Green Hotel
Love of My Life
You Are What You Is
Interlude 2
Harder Than Your Husband
Find Her Finer
Interlude 3
My Guitar Wants to Kill Your Mama
Tears Begin to Fall
Mystery Track
///////////
For what it's worth,
Dan in Taos
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Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 11:55:00 -0500
From: Diego Gruber <dgruber@uio.satnet.net>
Subject: MMW on Sessions
Don't know how many of you guys get the Sony Channel Latin America, but
the second part of Sessions at West 54th this Saturday will feature
Medeski, Martin and Wood, interviews plus live music (after SNL).
D
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Date: Sat, 27 May 2000 07:57:06 -0400
From: "Neil H. Enet" <nilugo@usa.net>
Subject: RE: MMW on Sessions
Diego,
thanks for the news, I've been waiting for it a long time. Is there
someplace where you can see what episode of Sessions Sony Latin will give?
I know Bill Frisell (and some other guy) also played there, and other
artists like Tricky and Beth orton (which I like).
Thanks again
Neil H. Enet
- ------------
- -
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Date: Sat, 27 May 2000 10:10:20 -0300
From: "Gustavo Broggi" <ghbroggi@delta.com.ar>
Subject: Masada in NYC
Hi Zornies: I triet to get my tickets for Masada concert next June 21st. A
drawing of the theatre was shown to choose a place. Can anobody recommend
to me what to select?
Thanks
Gustavo
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Date: Sat, 27 May 2000 07:08:50 -0700 (PDT)
From: Gabriel Drummer <gabriel_drummer@yahoo.com>
Subject: RE: MMW on Sessions
- --- "Neil H. Enet" <nilugo@usa.net> wrote:
> Diego,
>
> thanks for the news, I've been waiting for it a
> long time. Is there
> someplace where you can see what episode of Sessions
> Sony Latin will give?
> I know Bill Frisell (and some other guy) also played
> there, and other
> artists like Tricky and Beth orton (which I like).
Also Pat Metheny played a duo with Mr. Charlie
Haden, with music from the Beyond the Missoury sky
album. Let's watch MWM.
Gabriel
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Date: Sat, 27 May 2000 14:15:31 EDT
From: Forbins123@aol.com
Subject: RE: MMW on Sessions
You can check out a list of all the sessions here:
http://www.sessionsatwest54th.com/artistindex.html
I had the MMW on vhs at one point and it was lost. If somebody thats taping it this time around would like to set up a trade let me know.
- -Drew
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