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Subject: Zorn List Digest V2 #946
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Zorn List Digest Wednesday, May 24 2000 Volume 02 : Number 946
In this issue:
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Re: Jamie Saft
Masada videos
What's it like?
Re: Jamie Saft
RE: Jamie Saft
Sussan Deyhim discography?
Re: Sussan Deyhim discography?
Re: World Music Library Sale
Re: World Music Library Sale
nyc ghosts and flowers review
Re: nyc ghosts and flowers review
RE: shibboleth
zorn in the WIRE, online
Re: zorn in the WIRE, online
Jazz-Indian fusion/Remembering Shakti
zorn in the WIRE, online; sy's nycg&f
kazutoki umezu
"heretic" question
Re: Jazz-Indian fusion/Remembering Shakti
SY question
Re: Jazz-Indian fusion/Abdul-Malik
Re: kazutoki umezu
RE: kazutoki umezu
cassettes
Jamie Saft
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Date: Tue, 23 May 2000 02:32:54 +0200
From: Tal Goldman <telly_o@softhome.net>
Subject: Re: Jamie Saft
Saft also has a CD "Ragged Jack" out on Avant with Cuong Vu(also with
Jim Black
and Andrew D'angelo I think).
I saw a great show by a version of this ensemble (at the Knit in '96)
that had Saft
on synth instead of piano and with Skuli Skverisson on electric bass - a
"rockin"
sound you might say...
The CD however is acoustic and didn't do that much for me.
- -
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Date: Mon, 22 May 2000 17:34:45 -0700 (PDT)
From: Gabriel Drummer <gabriel_drummer@yahoo.com>
Subject: Masada videos
Hello, good zornithologists:
as we wait for the release of Masada in
Spain, to be out soon, I┤d like to know if anyone has
information about any Masada concert taped on video. I
haven┤t ever seen them, as a unit. I┤ve only been
lucky enough to see the individual members of Masada
playing on different bands and situations through the
years. I wish you all good listening.
Gabriel Puentes
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- -
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Date: Mon, 22 May 2000 18:31:28 -0600
From: Chris Sundberg <shangomoons@yahoo.com>
Subject: What's it like?
Ok guys, sorry for the horrible cross posting, but it's for a 'good'
cause.
I'm writing this career paper for school, and I was supposed to
interview someone in the career area of my choice, and so I did. But I
figured, hell, the more, the merrier. If I have more people it will
makes the general themes of my paper seem more valid to the powers that
be. Not that it needs to be more valid, because it is, but to make them
look like the asses that they are. Anything you write, will be
unedited, included as it is. So anyone who is a
musician/composer/teacher/record guy/anything related to music in the
smallest way, send me answers to these 9 questions by 5:00PM Thursday,
May 25, 2000. PLEASE. Thanks for any and all help you guys. No
limits, just answer the questions to the fullest.
1. What kind of education would I have to have in order to be trained
for the job?
2. How much would that cost?
3. What is the expected starting salary and what is an estimate of how
much I could make after some job experience?
4. What is the demand for the job?-How likely is it that I would be able
to get a job after I get through with my training?
5. What is a "regular day in the life of" a worker (that's you) who is
employed at this career/job?
6. What are some advantages/disadvantages of this job?
7. What subjects can I take while still in high school to help me with
this career/job?
8. How do I get into this type of career? (Methods of Entry)
9. What further training/changes will have to be made by me to stay in
this field of work?
Thanks guys. Upon request, I will send you a copy of my completed
report.
Chris
NP: AALY Trio+Ken Vandermark:Stumble
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Date: Tue, 23 May 2000 10:42:49 +1000
From: "Julian" <jcurwin@hartingdale.com.au>
Subject: Re: Jamie Saft
<< You can hear some great work by Mr. Saft on Bobby Previte's Latin For
Travelers albums... >>
As well as the fantastic Previte album "Too Close To The Pole", highly
recommended.
- -
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Date: Tue, 23 May 2000 00:58:36 -0300
From: "Hugo Linares" <hlinares@utenet.com.ar>
Subject: RE: Jamie Saft
De: Tal Goldman <telly_o@softhome.net>
>Saft also has a CD "Ragged Jack" out on Avant with Cuong Vu(also with
>Jim Black
>and Andrew D'angelo I think).
>
Speaking of Cuong Vu, I recently picked up "Bound" (Omnitone) whose lineup
includes both Saft and Black, plus bassist extraordinaire Stomu Takeishi.
On first listenings it's challenging and cutting edge, though I regret when
Cuong sings (one track, if memory serves).
And yes, undoubtedly all play great music indeed.
Hugo Linares
NP: Joe Jackson _Live 1980/86_ (A&M Records). No avant, experimental or
cutting edge, but beautiful as well.
- -
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Date: Tue, 23 May 2000 05:11:22 -0400 (EDT)
From: "rivers@email.com" <rivers@email.com>
Subject: Sussan Deyhim discography?
Is there a full discography of Sussan Deyhim somewhere?
I continue to find her contributions in more and more albums like Eliott Sharp, Laswell, Peter Scherer, Jah Wobble...?
Emilian
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Date: Tue, 23 May 2000 06:40:08 -0700
From: "s~Z" <keithmar@jetlink.net>
Subject: Re: Sussan Deyhim discography?
Is there a full discography of Sussan Deyhim somewhere?
Click 'biography' for more:
http://sonyclassical.com/artists/deyhim/disc.html
- -
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Date: Tue, 23 May 2000 08:39:41 -0500
From: Herb Levy <herb@eskimo.com>
Subject: Re: World Music Library Sale
Hi,
I hope this isn't too late.
I think any of the Korean discs are pretty good - besides the Sinawi
disc, there's one that has Samul & Sinawi as well as a couple of less
classical singing styles called Han & Mod. The Indian vocal discs by
the Dagar brothers are also interesting. & Jegog, the bamboo gamelan
disc is a good recording of an Indonesian style that's not available
on many discs in the west.
I remember hearing & liking the Nusrat Fateh Ali Khan discs, but I
don't have them so I can't compare them to the Ocoras, which are
similar in format.
- --
Herb Levy
NEW MAILING ADDRESS: P O Box 9369 Forth Wort, TX 76147
NEW PHONE: 817 377-2983
same old e-mail: herb@eskimo.com
- -
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Date: Tue, 23 May 2000 09:51:39 -0500
From: "Robert A. Pleshar" <rpleshar@midway.uchicago.edu>
Subject: Re: World Music Library Sale
I enjoyed greatly while a DJ at WRCT in Pittsburgh some number of years ago
many of these titles including most of the Mongolian ones, a vietnamese
guitar player whose name I can't remember (a bluesy feel), lots of the
Indonesian stuff and the following in particular:
Sinawi Music of Korea
Hsaing Waing of Myanmar (like a sped up Ornette on oboe with metal gamelan)
a gamelan made of bamboo insturments (can't recall the title)
Life and Love in the Punjab
Vocal Music of Rajasthan
Hope this helps,
Rob
- -
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Date: Tue, 23 May 2000 16:18:45 -0500
From: kurt_gottschalk@scni.com
Subject: nyc ghosts and flowers review
sorry -- i clipped the gloria estefan (tho i have seen her in concert...)
so what do people think of the record? i usually like sy discs, and rarely
return to them, so i'm curious about this one.
if the title's an ayler reference, however, i'll have to buy it on principle.
'ghosts,' obviously. and wasn't david murray's 'flowers for albert' dedicated to
ayler? am i stretching too much here? absolutely trasfixd by him lately. john
coltrane invented jazz and albert ayler perfected it. everyone else is just
filling in the blanks. flame away. here's the review:
Reviews of releases from Sonic Youth and Gloria Estefan
The Dallas Morning News
(KRT)
SONIC YOUTH "NYC Ghosts & Flowers" (Geffen) Grade: B+
Using spoken-word plus a massive, multilayered sheaf of guitar, Sonic Youth
sends a valentine to its hometown New York on "NYC Ghosts & Flowers."
Gone are the "Goo" days when SY tinkered in the realm of pop. Instead, the
quartet has been profoundly affected by its "SYR" series (a self-released set of
EPs on which they've dabbled heavily with unconstructed noise).
The band is still operating within the context of rock, but embellishes its
songs with chaos and experimentation. The surface tone is rational, even somber;
beneath the surface, the foursome retains its wonderful man-child fusion of
observation and optimism.
On "Side2Side" Kim Gordon delivers an evocative, free-association poem-song. A
background stream of words such as "sidewalk" and "newspaper" paints big-city
pictures. In a zen-like fashion, she hums "side to side"; it could be the mere
act of walking, or maybe the sound of dancing in the streets.
The title song is an epic, with a transfixing chorus of multiple guitars which
create many shadings, like a Rothko painting with numerous color variations in
that great canvas of red. The possibilities within such a thick blanket of sound
are endless. It could be the sound of an airplane. Of cars speeding by. Of a
subway passing. Of humanity.
- - Teresa Gubbins
- -
------------------------------
Date: Tue, 23 May 2000 17:31:59 EDT
From: Eisenbeil@aol.com
Subject: Re: nyc ghosts and flowers review
In a message dated 5/23/00 4:19:00 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
kurt_gottschalk@scni.com writes:
<< so what do people think of the record? i usually like sy discs, and rarely
return to them, so i'm curious about this one.
>>
I listened to it today. Its very good. Jim O'Rourke produced it and it has
something of a delicate nature. Despite the fact that there are multiple
guitars and sound effects ( one of the last tracks begins with what sounds
like a rabid dog panning from left to right) there is a lot of space. The
guitar tones are transparant and mildly grainy and woody. Bass and drums
sound good but do not deliver much rhythmic variety. There are many
instances of beautiful vocal harmony.
Peace,
Bruce
www.eisenbeil.com
- -
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Date: Tue, 23 May 2000 15:33:48 -0700
From: "Benito Vergara" <sunny70@sirius.com>
Subject: RE: shibboleth
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-zorn-list@lists.xmission.com
> [mailto:owner-zorn-list@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Marcel Cobussen
> Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2000 2:04 AM
> but maybe somebody can tell
> me if Zorn made also a reference to a book by Jacques Derrida, which
> bears the same title.
Speaking of which, I am *almost* sure that Zorn's liner notes in "Aporias"
quote from Derrida's book of the same title. (I can't be sure, though, since
I never read the book -- just heard him give a lecture called "Is My Death
Possible?" once...)
Later,
Ben
http://www.bigfoot.com/~bvergara/
ICQ# 12832406
- -
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Date: Tue, 23 May 2000 21:17:01 CDT
From: "Kristopher S. Handley" <thesubtlebody@hotmail.com>
Subject: zorn in the WIRE, online
Nothing new, but new for me (and perhaps for you):
http://www.thewire.co.uk/out/0004_1p.htm
Please make sure you're sitting in a secure chair, in an upright position.
I will not be held responsible for falls, sprains, or overextended rib
cages. (I refer to reactions to the photo, which is priceless.)
cheers,
- ----s
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- -
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Date: Tue, 23 May 2000 20:07:39 -0700
From: "s~Z" <keithmar@jetlink.net>
Subject: Re: zorn in the WIRE, online
Anyone else hesitating to renew The Wire sub at $85/year?
- -
------------------------------
Date: Tue, 23 May 2000 21:15:10 -0700
From: Martin_Wisckol@link.freedom.com
Subject: Jazz-Indian fusion/Remembering Shakti
Some weeks ago, I responded to a zorno query about jazz-Indian collabs
of worth. Since there was virtually no other response, I'll shoulder
the responsibility myself for keeping the thread alive (don't bother
thanking me): I spent some time recently with "Remembering Shakti" and
find it a superior outing. "Mukti," at 63 minutes, is simply brilliant.
Hariprasad Chaurasia on bamboo flute (they call is a bansuri) is
mind-blowing, in unimaginable tonal colors and nuances, in concept and
in soulful lyricism. McLaughlin turns in some of his best playing
ever, with references to both Mahavisnhu and Shakti, an excellent blend
of the passion of his earlier years and the subtler lyricism of more
recent years -- the electric instrument, as he commented in an
interview, does indeed allow him a great amount of subtlety than the
acoustic he used with Shakti. Percussionists Zakir Hussan and Vikku
give fine evidence of their mastery, and everybody interacts superbly.
Fluent through and through, all and all. The only complaint is that I
wish the entire ensemble was featured on more cuts (they play together
on two of the five cuts, a little more than half the total time, over 2
CDs).... This is one of those examples of an album that seemed pleasant
enough the first time around, but later, with total immersion, its
brilliance shined through.
Anybody know if Laswell's Lo Def Pressure w/... Trilok and Hussain, I
think, has hit U.S. streets yet?
Martin
np: zorn-bailey-lewis: yankees
- -
------------------------------
Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 09:00:20 +0000
From: Simon Hopkins <simon@state51.co.uk>
Subject: zorn in the WIRE, online; sy's nycg&f
>Nothing new, but new for me (and perhaps for you):
>
>http://www.thewire.co.uk/out/0004_1p.htm
>
I'd like to point out that I wrote that piece for the PRINT version of The
Wire some years ago. I was never asked permission to put the piece online,
or even notified. More to the point, as I wasn't asked to update it, it's
woefully out of date, making me look like more of a drongo than I already
do. I am very pissed off about this. Very.
So when keithmar@jetlink.net askes:
> Anyone else hesitating to renew The Wire sub at $85/year?
you can guess what I have to say!
Meantime, on the SY thread, I think 'nyc ghosts and flowers' is superb. If
you have time, check out my review - with soundfiles - at:
http://motion.state51.co.uk/reviews/602.html
Also on that front, anyone heard the Thurston Moore, Tom Surgal, William
Winant 'Lost to the City' on Intakt. I apologise if I missed a thread on
this, but it's fantastic: two long, gradually building live improv pieces
dedicated to, respectively, Aldo Rossi and Iancu Dumitrescu.
Cheers
Simon
np Paul Schutze: Nine Songs from the Garden of Welcome Lies.
- -
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Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 11:14:41 +0200
From: patRice <gda@datacomm.ch>
Subject: kazutoki umezu
hi y'all
any thoughts and/or comments on the following
kazutoki umezu: 1st deserter
thanks in advance!
patRice
- -
------------------------------
Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 11:21:32 +0200
From: patRice <gda@datacomm.ch>
Subject: "heretic" question
hi there!
i discovered something on amazon.com (i know, not always very reliable)
that puzzled me a little. maybe you can help me?
they have an avant release listed "heretic (original soundtrack),
artist: various/john zorn.
but they also have "heretic - jeux des dames..." listed.
are those two the same? (i'm at work now so i can't check the "jeux des
dames..." cds' booklet.)
thanks for your help!
patRice
- -
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Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 09:58:43 -0400
From: thehodgsons <thehodgsons@home.com>
Subject: Re: Jazz-Indian fusion/Remembering Shakti
Howdy,
Anybody interested in the Indian-Jazz type stuff should check out these
two cds (if you haven't already)
Ahmed Abdul-Malik JAZZ SAHARA
Ahmed Abdul-Malik EAST MEETS WEST
They were both recorded in late 50's. If you don't recognize the name
he's on some of the John Coltrane Complete Live At The Village Vanguard,
other than that I'm not sure what he has done. These are two fantastic
recordings though. If any one else has any reccommendations lets hear
them.
Dwayne
- -
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Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 10:11:43 -0400
From: Jason Tors <jtors@organic.com>
Subject: SY question
The reviews of the new SY album sound really appealing to me. I have
never listened to them and I mainly listen to jazz and other
instrumental improvized music, will I like this album more so than
their previous material?
- -
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Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 10:49:41 -0400 (EDT)
From: Ken Waxman <cj649@freenet.toronto.on.ca>
Subject: Re: Jazz-Indian fusion/Abdul-Malik
Of Sudanese descent, Brooklyn-born (1927) Malik long had an interest in
what we now call "world" music. Most recent reference in the Encylopedia
of Jazz In The Sixties (1966) he was planning to get a doctorate in
music, had visited African and South America and played bass, oud,
violin, piano, cello and kanoon.
He spent a couple of years on and off in the 1950s as a Monk sideman
(that's him on bass in the Monk section on the "Sound Of Jazz" video). He
probably met Trane through Monk.
Ken Waxman
n Wed, 24 May 2000, thehodgsons wrote:
> Anybody interested in the Indian-Jazz type stuff should check out these
> two cds (if you haven't already)
>
> Ahmed Abdul-Malik JAZZ SAHARA
>
> Ahmed Abdul-Malik EAST MEETS WEST
>
> They were both recorded in late 50's. If you don't recognize the name
> he's on some of the John Coltrane Complete Live At The Village Vanguard,
> other than that I'm not sure what he has done.
- -
------------------------------
Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 13:11:27 -0400
From: Peter Gannushkin <shkin@shkin.com>
Subject: Re: kazutoki umezu
Hello patRice,
Wednesday, May 24, 2000, you wrote to me:
p> any thoughts and/or comments on the following
p> kazutoki umezu: 1st deserter
It is the best Umezu recording I think. The players are all
remarkable: Marc Ribot, Wayne Horvitz, Tom Cora and Samm Bennett.
The music is a mix of jazz, dance, electronic and avant guard. It is
very fresh and joyful with nice melodies and rhythms.
- --
Best regards,
Peter Gannushkin
e-mail: shkin@shkin.com
- -
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Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 14:50:15 -0300
From: Linares Hugo <hulinare@bemberg.com.ar>
Subject: RE: kazutoki umezu
> remarkable: Marc Ribot, Wayne Horvitz, Tom Cora and Samm Bennett.
> The music is a mix of jazz, dance, electronic and avant guard. It is
> very fresh and joyful with nice melodies and rhythms.
>
>
Seconded.
"First Deserter" was my first Umezu and I admit that I was greatly
impressed by Tom Cora's work.
Umezu is amazing here and there; IMHO you can also find some
Japanese's flavour in it.
Go and get it, PatRice!
Later,
Hugo Linares
- -
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Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 14:54:11 -0500
From: kurt_gottschalk@scni.com
Subject: cassettes
very long, pretty interesting newsday article about new home recording
technologies and anticipating the death of the cassette. write me and i send it
to you.
np: 8 bold souls - ant farm
- -
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Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 15:40:22 -0500 (CDT)
From: Tom Benton <rancor@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu>
Subject: Jamie Saft
> Anyone now who is this guy? Sounds very very interesting. Anyone seen
> him live, etc.? It simply seems interesting.
As has already been stated, Jamie's a talented young NY keyboard player -
his frequent work with Bobby Previte would probably be his highest-profile
gig to date, but I would also highly recommend his work with Jerry
Granelli's Badlands, Peter Epstein, and Cuong Vu, among others.
'Ragged Jack', which came out on Avant three or four years ago, is co-led
by Saft and trumpeter Cuong Vu; it also features Jim Black and Andrew
D'Angelo and is an excellent example of Jamie's sadly underutilized
acoustic piano skills.
The Tzadik record certainly sounds interesting, I met Jamie two years ago
in NYC and he mentioned a "groove-klezmer" project he was working
on; I assume this is the fruit of those labors. As for the "contemporary
club music" influence, it's worth mentioning that he also plays in
Boomish, a live drum'n'bass band led by drummer Jojo Mayer, and I'm sure
has a very informed and unique perspective on that whole scene.
- -
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