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From: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com (Zorn List Digest) To: zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: Zorn List Digest V2 #925 Reply-To: zorn-list Sender: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk Zorn List Digest Monday, May 8 2000 Volume 02 : Number 925 In this issue: - drumm/lee r Re: ornette's first band approaching bailey MP3 from Zorn Digest Re: drumm bailey/taylor John Zorn radio specials on BBC Radio 3 in July Re: Zorn List Digest V2 #924 Tin Hat Trio "Helium" Re: dave douglas sextet review RE: Greenaway new ribot & new frisell RE: new ribot & new frisell RE: John Zorn radio specials on BBC Radio 3 in July ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 07 May 2000 13:12:04 PDT From: "Matt Krefting" <mkrefting@hotmail.com> Subject: drumm/lee r <<the next night, the first set was solo Drumm, and was superb. he didn't bring his Mac, just a guitar and synth, but he's so unique and full of ideas, one of the handful of electronic improvisers who can play a great solo set. he's influenced by Ralf Wehowsky, and it's interesting to go back and listen to Wehowsky's Streamline record, "when freezing air stings like ice...", having heard so much Drumm in the interim. the second set was with Lee Ranaldo, and was awesome. Lee was 100 times more subtle than I'd ever heard him before (even Thurston Moore couldn't believe how Lee played, and he's heard him once or twice before), and the two of them just clicked. at the end, they trailed off to virtual silence, but Lee wouldn't look up to end it, so everyone just sat there on the edge of their seat for a couple of minutes, not quite sure if there was still sound coming from the musicians or not. really great.>> i must say, this was one of the best shows i'd seen in a long time. i'd never seen drumm before, so i can't really comment on what kind of a night it was fer him (although i thought it was fantastic), but i have seen ranaldo many many times and this was definitely a set that sticks out for me. he was even quieter and mroe subtle than when i saw him w/ loren mazzacane. full of silences and unexpected bursts of noise, the set really began to take on a life of its own as it went on, with lee even seeming to lose control of the sounds he was making at some points. (hard to tell just what drumm was doing, he was up there behind his synth and i couldn't see shit, oh well). one of my favorite things about ranaldo is the way he's always trying to coax some new sound out of a guitar, regardless of whether or not he "knows" exactly what he's doing. his use of the kraklebox is quite amazing. the two played off each other remarkably well. i hope they'll do it again in the future. the silence at the end was absolutely mind-blowing. drumm was obviously finished, looking over at lee for some kind of mutual agreement, but lee just stared at the floor, looking like he might start back up any second. after what seemed like an eternity, lee looked up and smiled, applause, the two left the stage. for anyone in the western mass area, drumm will be performing a solo set at flywheel in easthampton. flywheel is an incredible volunteer-run space that has hosted the likes of gerry hemingway/john butcher and high rise among others, including local acts, poetry readings, film screenings, etc. website: http://flywheel.webjump.com or contact: mweston_1917@yahoo.com later... matt ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com - - ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 07 May 2000 15:44:01 PDT From: "christopher hoffman" <chrisahoffman@hotmail.com> Subject: Re: ornette's first band >so i wonder: is it really possible that anybody on this list does not >enjoy ornette's first band?! or perhaps there was a band before the >wonderful cherry/haden quartet that you're referring to? > i think the reference was to Contemporary release entitled: Something Else!!! The music of Ornette Coleman. i'm close to sure that it came out before The Shape of Jazz To Come. it has a bunch of his staple tunes like:the blessing, jayne, chippie, the sphinx,when will the blues leave?, etc. the line-up is: ornette coleman:alto don cherry:trumpet walter norris:piano don payne:bass billy higgins:drums ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com - - ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 07 May 2000 20:12:09 EDT From: "Alan Kayser" <alankayser@hotmail.com> Subject: approaching bailey Interestingly, the two newest (I think) releases from Bailey may give a newcomer a good place to start. The three CD ISKRA on Emanem is earlier stuff, circa 1970-2. IMHO, it is Bailey at his finest, and among players every bit as strong as he is. Paul Rutherford and Barry Guy were longtime associates, even back then. So the rapport among the three is telepathic. It is very free playing, but will hold you in it's grasp throughout. Perhaps a bit pricey for a beginner, but not to be missed for any Bailey fan. Comes from the same period as the classic ODE from London Jazz Composers Orchestra, also featuring all three, Guy, Bailey, and Rutherford. The second, Mirakle on Tzadik, actually surprised me. I had read some negative feedback, but I think it's a solid effort, though quite unlike almost any other DB recording. There's a beat! And DB does seem to be responding to his bandmates with some enthusiastic playing. Every bit as good as the Tony Williams Arcana and Ruins recordings. I think it would be a good place to start for a new fan, quite accessible but not straying too far from DB's freer efforts in this type setting. And to think, the guy is 70 years old!!! Alan E Kayser ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com - - ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 07 May 2000 20:35:47 -0500 From: kim <k.kirk@starpower.net> Subject: MP3 from Zorn Digest Joe: I thought you might want to search out this MP3. km Zorn List Digest wrote: > > Subject: new MP3: Bar Kokhba, Douglas, Sclavis, Frisell, Skeleton Crew... > > Hi Philozorners, > > Yesterday I uploaded another 1 and half hour of live music in MP3 > format: > BAR KOKHBA: Eitan; JOEY BARON: Closer Than You Think; > DAVE DOUGLAS: Out in the Cold, Prolix; DOUGLAS, > SCLAVIS, CHEVILLON, MERVILLE; FANT=D4MAS: Page 3; BILL > FRISELL: I Can't Be Satisfied, Poem for Eva; LOUNGE > LIZARDS; MARC RIBOT: Como Se Goza En El Barrio; > MASADA STRING TRIO: Moshav; MASSACRE: Legs, Bones; > MEDESKI MARTIN & WOOD; NAKED CITY: Latin Quarter, > Demon Sanctuary; PAINKILLER; SEX MOB; SHRIEVE, > FRISELL, HORVITZ: Sam The Man; SKELETON CREW: The > Birds of Japan; ZONY MASH: Sex Fiend, FYI; JOHN > ZORN: Xu Feng, Part 2. > > This music is just great! Enjoy! http://www.emd.pl/emd/pl4/mp3.htm > __________________________________________________________________ > Artur Nowak [arno at emd dot pl] > www.emd.pl - polish music magazine, mp3 and more > - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 May 2000 00:51:25 -0400 From: "Jesse Kudler" <jkudler@mail.wesleyan.edu> Subject: Re: drumm bailey/taylor > the first set with Ikue was pretty cool, although she cut it short for some > reason, only about 25 minutes. I'm not a huge fan of hers, I tend to like my Hmm. . . I had fairly different impressions overall of the Thurs. show. I thought the set with Mori never really gelled. I didn't find her stuff (mostly digital drum machine sounds, not arranged in any way that left much of an impression) particularly interesting, and it didn't seem like Drumm knew what to do with them. I got the impression that he was the one who cut it short, based on her facial expressions and overhearing them talking after the show. It seemed like she was commenting on it being short and implying that she wouldn't have minded it being longer. Personally, I would have liked to see them try to click some more, but I didn't need to hear more of the same. > the second set that night was with the husband/wife team of Tom Surgal/Lin > Culbertson, otherwise known as White Out. easily my least favorite of the > four sets, although Kevin was great. I actually thought this set worked well. Everyone seemed to be responding better, and there were some nice dynamics. My one complaint was with Surgal's drumming, which was nice, but a little too derivatively "free-jazzy" for me. It kept threatening to put things in a jazz context as opposed to a more exploratory vein. Though their playing was pretty nice for what it was. Some great extreme high and low frequency stuff from Kevin's synth. The latter had my clothes vibrating. > the second set was with Lee Ranaldo, and was awesome. Lee was 100 times more > subtle than I'd ever heard him before (even Thurston Moore couldn't believe I very unfortunately missed the solo set, but let me concur with everyone else that the set with Ranaldo was fantastic. I've see Lee play in improvised/non-SY contexts several times, and I was never super-impressed, but he was FAR more sensitive here, utilizing quiet and space well and doing some really nice stuff with a violin bow. And of the course the held silence at the end, which actually only finally ended when Drumm started unplugging equipment. Lee then had to look up and chuckle. - -Jesse - - ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 6 May 2000 12:42:13 -0500 From: "John Thomas" <jgthomas@nortelnetworks.com> Subject: John Zorn radio specials on BBC Radio 3 in July This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. - ------_=_NextPart_001_01BFB782.699D6F20 Content-Type: text/plain Apologies if this has already been sent to the Zorn list... Looks like BBC Radio 3 is doing a special on John Zorn in July. The shows are on at 1PM EST and 12 Noon CST and run 30 minutes every week on Saturdays for 4 weeks. This month they are doing a Lee Konitz series, next month a series on John Coltrane and _Ascension_. There is no written detail on the Zorn series yet but there is for Konitz and Coltrane and these shows include interviews as well as music. Listen in on Real Audio... For more info check out: www.bbc.co.uk/radio3/news/file.shtml John - ------_=_NextPart_001_01BFB782.699D6F20 Content-Type: text/html <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> <HTML> <HEAD> <META HTTP-EQUIV="Content-Type" CONTENT="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> <META NAME="Generator" CONTENT="MS Exchange Server version 5.5.2651.65"> <TITLE>John Zorn radio specials on BBC Radio 3 in July</TITLE> </HEAD> <BODY> Apologies if this has already been sent to the Zorn list... Looks like BBC Radio 3 is doing a special on John Zorn in July. The shows are on at 1PM EST and 12 Noon CST and run 30 minutes every week on Saturdays for 4 weeks. This month they are doing a Lee Konitz series, next month a series on John Coltrane and _Ascension_. There is no written detail on the Zorn series yet but there is for Konitz and Coltrane and these shows include interviews as well as music. Listen in on Real Audio... For more info check out: www.bbc.co.uk/radio3/news/file.shtml John </BODY> </HTML> - ------_=_NextPart_001_01BFB782.699D6F20-- - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 May 2000 07:07:11 -0500 (CDT) From: Whit Schonbein <whit@twinearth.wustl.edu> Subject: Re: Zorn List Digest V2 #924 > From: Martin_Wisckol@link.freedom.com > Subject: ornette's first band > > whit wrote: (in the same way one can > appreciate ornette coleman's first band in terms of its piviotal role in > the development of 'free jazz' while still not enjoying hearing it). > > so i wonder: is it really possible that anybody on this list does not > enjoy ornette's first band?! or perhaps there was a band before the > wonderful cherry/haden quartet that you're referring to? yes, i don't enjoy ornette with cherry et. al. the closest i've ever come to enjoying coleman has been on the golden circle discs. however, i offer the following caveat: i haven't listened to any ornette in at least 6 years (on account of not getting much out of it), and it is possible i would like it now (particularly if the comparisons with masada are anywhere near accurate). whit - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 May 2000 23:38:41 +1000 From: "Julian" <jcurwin@hartingdale.com.au> Subject: Tin Hat Trio "Helium" I just got the new cd "Helium" by the Tin Hat Trio (Mark Orton on guitar/dobro/banjo, Rob Burger on accordian/piano/organ/etc. and Carla Kihlstedt on violin/viola) and it is pretty amazing. They have become a bit more adventurous since the first cd, and there is a bit more writing from RB and CK this time around. There is still a Piazzolla and Rota sound in there, but now there is a bit more Tom Waits influence, a few bluesy tracks, and also some stuff reminiscent of Bill Frisell's "Tales From The Far Side" music. This is understandable since the instrumentation is pretty much the same, and also Rob Burger played with Frisell on the soundtrack. And speaking of Tom Waits, he sings on the last track which also features 7 other guests including Trevor Dunn... Julian. http://www.hartingdale.com.au/~jcurwin - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 08 May 2000 10:37:49 EDT From: "Jeremy McClain" <jemcclain@hotmail.com> Subject: Re: dave douglas sextet review Alright, I've got a suggestion. Let's keep the dd related discussion on track. Patrice said: hold it, hold it! never did i compare the dave douglas sextet to dream theater! i simply said that the dd thing was too wanky-wanky, show-offy - - - and that if i wanted that, i would rather go an see dream theater. there is a big difference there!!! First off, It seems lately that the discussion lately has become an ego match. If you need to defend how someone interpreted your comments to save face, keep it to yourself. If someone misinterpreted what you said and it makes a substantial impact on the direction of the discussion, then alright. I'm not here to start the flames, but come on, I'm sick of the personal tone these discussions are taking. Fact: Patrice didn't like Ben's playing. OK. It's just as constructive to hear dislikes as it is likes. I wasn't at the same concert, but I have seen him live numerous times and my verdict: he's a young, promising talent on the scene. At first It seemed that the attack on Ben's playing went beyond just a simple thumbs down. Was it personal? I almost wondered if Ben was hitting on your girlfriend? Then it became obvious when he mentioned that he was also a drummer. It's a natural reaction of competitive nature. Drummer vs. Drummer. I'll admit that Patrice's post did bring up some great tangential discussions. But then these discussions were being interupted by defensive displays of pride.(By the way if you say that you might as well go to a dream theatre show, then there definitely is an implicit comparison going on.) Patrice has been a great contributor to this list, and I hope that he continues. (although it'd be nice if you consolidated your posts and/or edit) And my opinions on dd: He's one of the hottest muthafuckers on the scene. Yes, there are definitely different "grades" of excellence on his albums, but that's human. And since this is the zornlist, I'll quote Zorn's opinion on dd that I heard at a workshop last summer. (Paraphrased) "I wasn't planning on having a trumpet in Masada, but what can I say, Dave's the shit!" Just a concerned zorn-lister, Jeremy ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 May 2000 13:39:14 -0300 From: Linares Hugo <hulinare@bemberg.com.ar> Subject: RE: Greenaway > Both were done by Michael Nyman, as are the majority of the soundtracks > for > Greenaway movies (Nyman got tired of Greenaway's controlling manner during > Prospero's Books and they went separate ways after that). I adore the > sdtk to The Cook, The Thief..., but that may just be my own peculiar > taste. I suggest heading over to someplace like CDNow and take listen > for yourself. > > Thank you very much to all who gave me their insight on the Nyman / Greenaway thread. Hugo Linares - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 May 2000 02:57:43 +1000 From: "Julian" <jcurwin@hartingdale.com.au> Subject: new ribot & new frisell Just some quick reviews of a couple more new cds I got today: Marc Ribot's new Cubanos Postizos cd "Muy Divertido!" is great! While he could have just recorded more stuff in the slow moody vibe of the first cd, he did just the opposite, and this cd is full of upbeat energetic songs. And Marc's punk/noise side occasionally comes out too, with bursts of extreme distortion and wild chromatic runs... And Bill Frisell's "Ghost Town" - There's some brilliant tunes on here, like the variation on "Tales From The Far Side" (used as the main theme to the second part of Gary Larson's cartoon). Everything is done very well, but generally I think I prefer to hear Frisell in interactive mode, with the Quartet or Trio, rather than using loops and overdubbing. Still, he's come a long way in this format since the old days, like that duo disc with Vernon Reid (shudder)... - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 May 2000 14:50:02 -0300 From: Linares Hugo <hulinare@bemberg.com.ar> Subject: RE: new ribot & new frisell Julian wrote: > Just some quick reviews of a couple more new cds I got today: > Marc Ribot's new Cubanos Postizos cd "Muy Divertido!" is great! While he > > Seconded. I also picked it up a while back and it's fine and rocking. > And Bill Frisell's "Ghost Town" - There's some brilliant tunes on here, > like the variation on "Tales From The Far Side" (used as the main theme to > the second part of Gary Larson's cartoon). Everything is done very well, > but generally I think I prefer to hear Frisell in interactive mode, with > Haven't listened it yet, but a friend of mine told me it was a kind of intimate / "slow" album that deserved many listenings to get in. Thanks for you review, Julian. Speaking of guitarrists I just got John Scofield's "Bump" on Verve and it really grooves and funk indeed; IMHO it's far away from his last "A go-go". Looks like as if Big John is on the run again. Cheers! Hugo Linares - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 May 2000 13:14:24 -0500 From: "John Thomas" <jgthomas@nortelnetworks.com> Subject: RE: John Zorn radio specials on BBC Radio 3 in July This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. - ------_=_NextPart_001_01BFB919.428C38B0 Content-Type: text/plain > Apologies if this has already been sent to the Zorn list... > > Looks like BBC Radio 3 is doing a special on John Zorn > in July. The shows are on at 1PM EST and 12 Noon CST > and run 30 minutes every week on Saturdays for 4 weeks. > > This month they are doing a Lee Konitz series, next month > a series on John Coltrane and _Ascension_. > > There is no written detail on the Zorn series yet but there is > for Konitz and Coltrane and these shows include interviews > as well as music. > > Listen in on Real Audio... > > For more info check out: > www.bbc.co.uk/radio3/news/file.shtml > > John - ------_=_NextPart_001_01BFB919.428C38B0 Content-Type: text/html <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> <HTML> <HEAD> <META HTTP-EQUIV="Content-Type" CONTENT="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> <META NAME="Generator" CONTENT="MS Exchange Server version 5.5.2651.65"> <TITLE>RE: John Zorn radio specials on BBC Radio 3 in July</TITLE> </HEAD> <BODY> Apologies if this has already been sent to the Zorn list... Looks like BBC Radio 3 is doing a special on John Zorn in July. The shows are on at 1PM EST and 12 Noon CST and run 30 minutes every week on Saturdays for 4 weeks. This month they are doing a Lee Konitz series, next month a series on John Coltrane and _Ascension_. There is no written detail on the Zorn series yet but there is for Konitz and Coltrane and these shows include interviews as well as music. Listen in on Real Audio... For more info check out: www.bbc.co.uk/radio3/news/file.shtml John </BODY> </HTML> - ------_=_NextPart_001_01BFB919.428C38B0-- - - ------------------------------ End of Zorn List Digest V2 #925 ******************************* To unsubscribe from zorn-list-digest, send an email to "majordomo@lists.xmission.com" with "unsubscribe zorn-list-digest" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. 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