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Zorn List Digest        Tuesday, April 25 2000        Volume 02 : Number 914



In this issue:
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       Zorn-Patton-Prelapse, Patton vs. The Executioners
       Re: more cobra/game pieces
       Re: Zorn-Patton-Prelapse, Patton vs. The Executioners
       chadbourne releases
       latest cobra discussion
       Re: Odp: angelica festival in italy
       Evan Parker at Knit on April 23
       Re: Evan Parker at Knit on April 23
       Re: more cobra/game pieces
       Re[2]: Evan Parker at Knit on April 23
       RE: Re[2]: Evan Parker at Knit on April 23
       Re: Evan Parker at Knit on April 23
       Re: Evan Parker at Knit on April 23
       Greetings and COBRA query...
       RE: Re[2]: Evan Parker at Knit on April 23
       Re[4]: Evan Parker at Knit on April 23
       Chicago Experimental Performance.
       Re: upcoming NYC gigs
       Amsterdam String Trio
       Re: Odp: angelica festival in italy
       Walker Stage / Electric Church?
       Saxophone and Music Books for sale

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Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2000 22:39:45 -0400
From: Richard Ladew <[e-mail]>
Subject: Zorn-Patton-Prelapse, Patton vs. The Executioners

I too was at that show.  It was amazing to see three creative music
entities under the same roof.

I hope some kind of recording is being made of the Patton / x ecutioners
battle in Italy.  I've always wished there was more collaboration
between hip hop and experimental.  (Anyone else love the Public Enemy
sample on the "radio" Naked city disc?)  in the Sonora JZ book there is
a brief mention of Zorn and hip hop, but nothing is brought up further.
I have these nightmares/fantasies of Zorn vs. Dr.
Octagon...........................


Respects,

Rich Ladew
- --
Rich Ladew: [e-mail]
www.home.earthlink.net/~ladewtangclan
PCP House Of Coffee: The best in modern, experimental and creative music

WUNH 91.3fm  Monday evenings 8-9 p.m.(EST)
Real Audio at www.wunh.unh.edu



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Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2000 23:13:44 EDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: more cobra/game pieces

Why would Zorn be interested in keeping the score such a deep secret anyway??

Jerry Brennan

<< Although there are notes in the first hat cd, my understanding is that this
 is only a sample, and that the complete score is more extensive and more
 complex than what is presented there.  When the Cincinnati Cobra Group was
 active, I discussed it briefly with one of the members, and he said there
 were around three dozen different hand signals alone, and the CCG only
 incorporated a fraction thereof.  He also said that they were under strict
 orders, apparently from JZ himself, not to reveal too much about the score.
>>

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Date: Sun, 23 Apr 2000 01:23:38 -0400 (EDT)
From: Aaron D Meyers <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Zorn-Patton-Prelapse, Patton vs. The Executioners

Anyone interested in some experimental hip hop would do themselves well to
check out Anti Pop Consortium's Tragic Epilogue.  Its rad.  To quote the
first words of the liner notes: "if Sun Ra, Ornette Coleman and Marion
Brown were MCs - nah too easy, nevermind".  While it doesn't have that
trademark patton-psycho-scatting we all love so much, it definitely has an
avant vibe to it.  Enjoy.

- -Aaron

On Sat, 22 Apr 2000, Richard Ladew wrote:

> I too was at that show.  It was amazing to see three creative music
> entities under the same roof.
>
> I hope some kind of recording is being made of the Patton / x ecutioners
> battle in Italy.  I've always wished there was more collaboration
> between hip hop and experimental.  (Anyone else love the Public Enemy
> sample on the "radio" Naked city disc?)  in the Sonora JZ book there is
> a brief mention of Zorn and hip hop, but nothing is brought up further.
> I have these nightmares/fantasies of Zorn vs. Dr.
> Octagon...........................
>
>
> Respects,
>
> Rich Ladew
> --
> Rich Ladew: [e-mail]
> www.home.earthlink.net/~ladewtangclan
> PCP House Of Coffee: The best in modern, experimental and creative music
>
> WUNH 91.3fm  Monday evenings 8-9 p.m.(EST)
> Real Audio at www.wunh.unh.edu
>
>
>
> -
>


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Date: Sun, 23 Apr 2000 16:25:12 -0500
From: [e-mail]
Subject: chadbourne releases

eugene's first cd-r releases are out, in case you're interested. five titles,
all previously released, at least as homemade casettes. i have a 2 cd LSDC&W (a
title discussed here previously, and including zorn, cora and others). other
released include eugene plays jimi and the recent duets disc with loren
mazzacane connors and davey williams that was out on the now defunct house of
chadponk. i forget the other two titles, but bruce at downtown music gallery has
several of each in.

they're almost as handmade as ec's cassette releases. covers are cut to roughly
fit a nonincluded jewel box and booklets are taped together with little paper
items attached. sound is good, lacking at times from original recording quality
and a little quiet, but overall good. bruce has several copies of each.

np: down at the corner at a bar named kelly's (paycheck) from lsdc&w.



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Date: Sun, 23 Apr 2000 23:08:04 EDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: latest cobra discussion

the "score" in those original liner notes is indeed the entire score to
cobra, as JZ wrote it. the problem is that it tends to operate as an oral
tradition, as i was informed by the guy that ran the COBRA Ensemble -
Cincinnati when he was here and it was going on. this seems to mean that even
with the score, one is still clueless until it is explained to them. he said
he had some typed directions which were helpful, done by someone other than
JZ, but preferred to check directly with zorn to get an accurate
understanding of various aspects of the piece.

regarding some hand cues that were not used by the cinci group: i believe the
ones seldom, if ever used, are the "locus" hand cues, which are included on
the score sheet i saw but are remnants of, and more applicable to, the Locus
Solus work of JZ's, which came right before cobra was conceived. that's how
it was explained it to me.

regarding strict orders from JZ: hmm, i never got that sense in talking to
Fuhr (the leader of the group). he made some joke (kind-of affectionately)
about zorn being rather fickle on this and related topics -- saying something
like it all depends on his mood when you happen to call him.

did any cincinnati folk notice that the group got an award in Cincinnati
Magazine in the Best of 99 Issue around Oct/Nov? The yuppiest of publications
digging Cobra.

later,
joseph




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Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2000 13:40:18 +0200 (MET DST)
From: Steve Berman <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Odp: angelica festival in italy

>>>>> "Marcin" == Marcin Gokieli <[e-mail]> writes:

    Marcin> BTW: does anybody whether Ensemble Modern will play the
    Marcin> zappa stuff somewhere else? Do they have a website?

From <www.ensemble-modern.com>:

         ZAPPA
         Greggery Peccary & Other Persuasions / Works
         31.05.2000, Hannover, Eroeffnungsveranstaltung EXPO 2000
         06.06.2000, Cologne, E-Werk, CologneTriennale 2000
         08.06.2000, Munich, Muffathalle, Musica Viva
         10.06.2000, Amsterdam, Concertgebouw (Holland Festival)
         05.07.2000, Bologna, Teatro Communale (Bolgna 2000)
         09./10.07.2000, Hannover, EXPO 2000
         11.07.2000, Berlin, Gendarmenmarkt
         09.-10.09.2000, Duisburg, Kraftzentrale (KulturRuhr 2000)


- --Steve Berman

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Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2000 16:05:06 -0400
From: Peter Gannushkin <[e-mail]>
Subject: Evan Parker at Knit on April 23

Hello All,

  Does anybody know who was playing with Evan Parker yesterday April
  23 at Knit except Zorn, Rothenberg, Berne and Mori?

Best regards,
Peter Gannushkin
e-mail: [e-mail]
URL: http://www.shkin.com/



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Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2000 16:05:27 EDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: Evan Parker at Knit on April 23

In a message dated 4/24/00 4:04:28 PM, [e-mail] writes:

<< Does anybody know who was playing with Evan Parker yesterday April
  23 at Knit except Zorn, Rothenberg, Berne and Mori? >>

Earl Howard on synth, and Georg Grawe on piano.

Jon
www.erstwhilerecords.com

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Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2000 16:09:47 -0400
From: Dan Hewins <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: more cobra/game pieces

That's what I want to know!

There have been countless posts to this list about these damn
scores/rules to the game pieces.  Too bad Zorn doesn't participate in
this list because, apparently, it would let a lot of people sleep
better if he would tell them where to get the score or that the score
is not available, and more importantly, why it's not available.  Geez!

Dan Hewins


At 11:13 PM -0400 4/22/00, [e-mail] wrote:
>Why would Zorn be interested in keeping the score such a deep secret anyway??
>
>He also said that they were under strict
>  orders, apparently from JZ himself, not to reveal too much about the score.
>>>
>
>-


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Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2000 16:23:12 -0400
From: Peter Gannushkin <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re[2]: Evan Parker at Knit on April 23

Hello Jon,

Monday, April 24, 2000, you wrote to me:


Jac> In a message dated 4/24/00 4:04:28 PM, [e-mail] writes:

Jac> << Does anybody know who was playing with Evan Parker yesterday April
Jac>   23 at Knit except Zorn, Rothenberg, Berne and Mori? >>

Jac> Earl Howard on synth, and Georg Grawe on piano.

Thanks.

I wonder how they organized Zorn to play at this concert. He is not
playing at Knit any more as I know.

- --
Best regards,
Peter Gannushkin
e-mail: [e-mail]



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Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2000 16:49:27 -0400
From: "Jim McLoughlin" <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: Re[2]: Evan Parker at Knit on April 23

Hi

Can anyone give a brief review of the Parker show last night?  Missed it
unfortunately.

> I wonder how they organized Zorn to play at this concert. He is not
> playing at Knit any more as I know.

He has played there in the past year - the "Emergency" group, with Marc
Ribot, John Medeski, and Kenny Wollessen, played there sometime in 1999.

Jim


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Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2000 17:25:18 -0400 (EDT)
From: Ken Waxman <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Evan Parker at Knit on April 23

An aside. Did Evan do any (professional) recording with his "New York
crew" for possible CD releases? Improvising musicians in new and different
configerations are always interesting to hear. (Especially for those of
us who are non-Mahnattanites). You lucky SOBs stuffed with so much music
you can ignore it at your leisure).

Ken Waxman





On Mon, 24 Apr 2000 [e-mail] wrote:

> In a message dated 4/24/00 4:04:28 PM, [e-mail] writes:
>
> << Does anybody know who was playing with Evan Parker yesterday April
>   23 at Knit except Zorn, Rothenberg, Berne and Mori? >>
>
> Earl Howard on synth, and Georg Grawe on piano.
>
> Jon
> www.erstwhilerecords.com

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Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2000 17:47:53 EDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: Evan Parker at Knit on April 23

In a message dated 4/24/00 5:26:34 PM, [e-mail] writes:

<< Did Evan do any (professional) recording with his "New York
crew" for possible CD releases? >>

not that I know of, but he certainly could have.

<<Can anyone give a brief review of the Parker show last night?  Missed it

unfortunately.>>

two sets, the same septet in each (Parker, Zorn, Berne, Rothenberg, Grawe,
Howard and Mori). I saw the second set, which lasted a little more than an
hour. it was pretty much what you'd expect individually if you're familiar
with their work, with Parker telling people when to join in and when to stop,
so that the proceedings were more organized than you'd expect, with a lot of
smaller groups playing short sections. the highlight for me was when Parker
began his inevitable 10 minute tour de force circular breathing solo. Mori
and Howard were playing along with him then, and Earl started playing to try
to jar Parker out of his solo before he got too into it. he wasn't playing
super-loudly, just messing with Parker's rhythm, and it worked. Parker had to
basically go back to square one. I thought it was awesome, and according to
Earl, so did Evan.

Jon
www.erstwhilerecords.com

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Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2000 16:00:50 -0700
From: "Mike Biffle" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Greetings and COBRA query...

I've just seen a performance of COBRA and while I was able to discern many =
of the methods used and talk afterwards getting some clarification, I'm =
still trying to fill in the blanks. If this is a much reviled question or =
is somewhere in a FAQ, please let me know...

Best regards,
- -Miko Biffle


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Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2000 20:32:54 -0600
From: "Matthew W Wirzbicki  (S) " <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: Re[2]: Evan Parker at Knit on April 23


>I wonder how they organized Zorn to play at this concert. He is not
>playing at Knit any more as I know.

I would assume that most musicians would be pretty excited about be asked to
be a part of a performance involving Evan Parker.  Maybe Zorn is an
exception.  (?)

- -Matt

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Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 00:04:33 -0400
From: Peter Gannushkin <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re[4]: Evan Parker at Knit on April 23

Hello Matthew,

Monday, April 24, 2000, you wrote to me:

>>I wonder how they organized Zorn to play at this concert. He is not
>>playing at Knit any more as I know.

MWWS> I would assume that most musicians would be pretty excited about be asked to
MWWS> be a part of a performance involving Evan Parker.  Maybe Zorn is an
MWWS> exception.  (?)

I don't think they really care about it. I mean it is work and
pleasure both for any musician and it is always interesting to
participate in different projects but I don't think anybody of them
was feeling excited just to be invited.

The problem with Zorn concerns his relationships with Knit and not
with Evan Parker. I would be very glad to know that he will be not so
rare guest at the club now.

BTW, Ned Rothenberg seemed not to be so interested during the first
set. He was even trying to escape from it and Zorn asked him to play
couple of times when he was not going to.
He was too excited probably. :-)

- --
Best regards,
Peter Gannushkin
e-mail: [e-mail]



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Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 00:09:58 EDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Chicago Experimental Performance.

There is an Avant Garde festival at the DePaul Cultural Center on 4/26 at
6:30pm.  There will be artist, spoken word, a Klezmer Band, and a 2
experimental guitarist.  All are welcome and it's free.  The cultural center
is on the third floor in Stuart (cafeteria building) room 304 (located a
block east of halsted and belden.  If you need better directions E-mail me
privately.

                                            Aaron Solomon (I'm one of the
guitarist)

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Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 01:22:14 -0400
From: "Jesse Kudler" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: upcoming NYC gigs

Also on that note, I just learned that Pita/Fennesz, Pan Sonic, and a bunch
more will be performing in Brooklyn in a few weeks as part of a new
festival.  Check out www.red-stone.org for more info.

Exciting!

- -Jesse

- ----- Original Message -----
From: <[e-mail]>
To: <[e-mail]>
Sent: Thursday, April 20, 2000 1:35 AM
Subject: upcoming NYC gigs


> sorry for the NYC-centric nature of this message, but there are a lot of
> potentially great shows coming up this week that I thought I'd make sure
> people knew about:



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Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 10:46:44 GMT+0100
From: "Jeroen de Boer" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Amsterdam String Trio

Hi all,

Yesterday afternoon I was fortunate enough to attend a concert of the
Amsterdam String Trio (Ernst Reijseger, Maurice Horsthuis & Ernst
Glerum) in a little church just outside Groningen. The new repertoire
isn't as harsh and hardcore-improv is it used to be, but still as
adventurous as their earlier material. All the pieces were
written by Horsthuis, so that could account for the "classical"
nature of them. Glerum mentioned a new album is upcoming on Winter &
Winter, so that's something to look out for.

Best wishes,

Jeroen


- ----------------------------------------
Jeroen de Boer
co-initiator Cyberslag Foundation
music director Open Electronic Festival
Munnekeholm 10
9711JA Groningen
The Netherlands
tel: [phone]
fax: [phone]
[e-mail]
[e-mail]
http://www.cyberslag.com
- ----------------------------------------

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Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 15:15:08 +0200
From: patRice <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Odp: angelica festival in italy

Marcin Gokieli wrote:
>

> And what is the 'special edition' of bar kokhba?

according to the angelica webpage it features john zorn on sax.
as far as i remember he usually "only conducts".

hope this helps...

patRice

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Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 13:07:08 -0400
From: "Jim McLoughlin" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Walker Stage / Electric Church?

Hi

I recall someone posting about recent Laswell events at the Walker Stage in
NYC, rumored to be sponsored by the knit.  Anyone have links to info on this
venue and its schedule?  People at the knit don't seem to know about it.
Also, is it at all related to a venue called the "Electric Church"?  Thanks
for any info.

Jim


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Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 14:55:38 -0400
From: Jeremy Isaac Mc Cormick <[e-mail]>
Subject: Saxophone and Music Books for sale

    I'm moving to New York, and I'm getting rid of some old music books,
and I thought I'd give yall a crack at anything you might like before I
start selling them to random street musicians.  (Please e-mail me
off-list at [e-mail].)  Here they are in no particular
order off the top of my head...

    -The Charlie Parker Omnibook, key of C
    -2 books of really good Cannonball Adderley transcriptions (ask me for
specifics)
    -Etudes by some French dude (really, really hard classical saxophone
exercises)
    -158 Exercises for Saxophone by Rascher
    -Top Tones for Saxophone by Rascher (this one's a classic)
    -How to Improvise (2 books) by Hal Crook (great for teaching aid and
creative improvisation exercises)
    -Intervalic Improvisation by Walt Weiskopf (very good exercises for
learning interesting chord substitutions)
    -A Chromatic Approach to Jazz Harmony and Melody by Liebman (this book
is the real deal)
    -A big book of Broadway songs (lots of obscure tunes not found in
other books)

    Plus lots of other stuff I can't remember right now!  E-mail me
if you're interested and I'll send you a complete list; I have no idea how
to price these books, so, as they say, make me an offer I can't refuse.
I'm not gonna hold an auction here, so the stuff will most likely go to
the first respondant whose offer I think is reasonable.  BUT, you gotta
pay for shipping. Later!

Jeremy M. --- [e-mail]





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