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Zorn List Digest       Thursday, March 16 2000       Volume 02 : Number 893



In this issue:
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       New Sex Pistols Film
       Re: fire in the Sun Ra house
       Lisle Ellis in dire straits..
       Joey Baron - Down Home
       RE: Joey Baron - Down Home
       Re: RUINS/brubeck
       Re: Caine, Bach & Gould
       RE: Caine, Bach & Gould
       Re: Caine, Bach & Gould
       Inside Out, S. Rivers, D.Cherry, I. Stravinsky
       Re:  RE: Joey Baron - Down Home
       Re: Inside Out, S. Rivers, D.Cherry, I. Stravinsky
       Re: ruins
       Re: Zorn List Digest V2 #892
       Joey Baron stuff
       Re: promo Ersthwile records
       [thewire] AMM play Scotland shock

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Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 13:22:21 +0100 (MET)
From: [e-mail] (Stephen Fruitman)
Subject: New Sex Pistols Film

The comments of anyone who goes to see this film would be highly
appreciated. All the best, Stephen


THE FILTH AND THE FURY
Directed by Julien Temple

a Sex Pistols film

"You can't create me, I am me."
 -- John Lydon

Wednesday, 29 March
The Film Forum
209 W Houston St, New York City







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Department of History of Science and Ideas
Ume=E5 University
S-901 87 Ume=E5, Sweden
Phone: [phone]
Telfax: 046 90 14 33 74

E-mail: [e-mail]



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Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 07:48:55 -0600
From: Moudry <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: fire in the Sun Ra house

At 18:16 15-03-00 -0500, "Michael Berman" <[e-mail]> wrote:
>EMERGENCY NOTICE:
>
>There has been a fire in the Sun Ra house and extensive damage resulted.
The people are all right but help is needed to repair the building
immediately.  Please send donations to:  Marshall Allen, 5626 Morton
Street, Philadelphia, 19144.  Also, if you can help rebuild or repair the
building or contribute construction materials, supplies, or other
resources, please call [phone] and leave your coordinates so
Marshall can get in touch with you.
>

Michael & Zornists,

The above information is quite old; I'd imagine that the piece in the
latest Signal to Noise may have been the source for it. Last Saturday the
Arkestra did an evening at the Knit to earn some of the resources necessary
to rebuild the House of Ra. The following is the announcement from the
Concerts Area of my Saturn Web that gives the particulars for the event, as
well as the basic facts about the fire:
==============================================
The Arkestra @ The Knit

Elson Nascimento do Santos announced that the Sun Ra Arkestra under the
direction of Marshall Allen will appear at

The Knitting Factory
74 Leonard Street
New York City
(5 blocks below Canal between Broadway & Church)

on Saturday March 11, 2000.

This event will be a benefit concert to raise some of the funds needed to
fix the Arkestra house in Philadelphia that was damaged by a fire on
January 16, 2000. Those who were expressing interest in supporting the
Arkestra in defraying the large costs of fire damage repairs at the
historic Arkestra house are encouraged to attend on March 11.

Sun Ra Arkestra t-shirts and A Song For The Sun Arkestra CDs will also be
sold at the event to help raise funds to fix the house. For additional
information from the Knitting Factory, visit their website or call
212-219-3006.
==============================================

Although the concert has passed, anyone wishing to buy a copy of the CD or
enquire about the very nice tee-shirts might want to contact them. These
are proud men who are trying to rebuild and get back to the vital work of
keeping the Arkestra in existence; please respect their dignity.

Hope this helps.

Saturnally,
Joe Moudry
Office of Academic Computing & Technology
School of Education, The University of Alabama @ Birmingham
Master of Saturn Web (Sun Ra, the Arkestra, & Free Jazz):
<http://www.dpo.uab.edu/~moudry>
Producer/Host of Classic Jazz (Armstrong -> Ayler ->)on Alabama Public
Radio:

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Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 09:07:43 -0500
From: "Joslyn Layne" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Lisle Ellis in dire straits..

I hope people don't mind me posting this here.. i would certainly want to
know after the wonderful performances i have seen from Ellis, so i'm
assuming there are a few other like-minded on the list. you may know Ellis'
bass playing from the What We Live group, with Larry Ochs [of Rova]. What We
Live has several CD releases, mostly on soul note, i think, with guests like
Dave Douglas...

   joslyn

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Subject:     Help neccessary for bassist Lisle Ellis
Sent:        3/12/20 2:53 AM
Received:    3/15/00 8:52 AM
From:        Paul Plimley, [e-mail]

Urgent message for all people who know Lisle Ellis

I am writing on Lisle Ellis' behalf to let people know that he is
currently
receiving emergency medical attention in San Francisco for liver and
kidney
malfunctions and is in need of any possible financial contribution that
you
can donate. At this moment in time, Lisle is living from a van in San
Francisco (where he has lived since 1992) and is at present homeless. He
has
no telephone number where he can be reached. More to the point, he is in
debt and is without any income at this time. Here is an excerpt from a
recent E mail sent to me from him , dated March 7, 2000.

.......My situation is CRITICAL. I need some $$$ to
pay immediate medical bills and further medical
expenses. that's excluding my day to day survival
needs. right now i've my van to live in. i guess that
is more than some have but knowing that dosen't help
my spirits much or dosen't keep me any warmer at
night. i'm accepting any donations that you or any
others may offer. PLEASE let people know what is
happening since i've no access to phone and only very
limited access to email. (please pass along my email
address). anyone who wants to help can do so so by
making a deposit at any       Toronto Dominion bank (based in Canada):

US$ account #7134505
branch#4720

i really need your help in getting the word out there.
thanks,
l.e.


Lisle's E mail address (a free hotmail address where he can check his mail
from anyone's computer) is [e-mail].

If you would like to verify the Toronto Dominion bank account of Lisle,
here
is a 1 800 # for Toronto Dominion bank for anyone interested:

1 800 983 2265.      I assume that this tel. # is good for anyone dialing
within North America.

For those who do not know of Lisle Ellis on this E mail list, I apologize
and do not expect any response from you.
There are many on my E mail list who do know him and/or his music and it
is
to them that this letter is addressed.

I thank all of you who have been touched by Lisle's music over the years
and
who care to offer any amount that you can afford.



Yours sincerely,

Paul Plimley
E mail address   [e-mail]
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Subject:     Additional update for Lisle Ellis
Sent:        3/20/20 1:43 PM
Received:    3/16/00 8:35 AM
From:        Paul Plimley, [e-mail]

To all those who received a previous E mail yesterday from me,

Many people have responded to the last E mail sent regarding Lisle Ellis
and
his current circumstance. Here is some additional information sent to me
from Jed Bishop, trombonist from Chicago. This will help anyone who wishes
to contribute to Lisle's present situation. His E mail is as follows:

Hello Paul,

I wired some money to Lisle's account based on the info you gave in your E
mail, but some
additional info is also necessary to make a money transfer to his account:

the Toronto Dominion branch # is actually 47201
the bank's routing # is 026009593
the bank's institution # is 004
there is a "designation code" that may have to be prefixed to Lisle's
account #; that code is 040

I got this info from the 1 800 number for the bank, but you may want to
pass
it on to anyone interested in making a wire transfer.

Jeb Bishop

For those of you who wish to mail a  US money order or cheque in Lisle
Ellis's name directly to me (I live only 7 blocks from a Toronto Dominion
bank branch), here is my home address. A money order might be preferable
to
a cheque, since there will be no delay in the clearing time of a deposited
cheque


Paul Plimley
3016 Waterloo Street
Vancouver, BC
V6R 3J6
Canada

Kind regards to all,

Paul Plimley



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Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 06:50:58 -0800 (PST)
From: Theo Klaase <[e-mail]>
Subject: Joey Baron - Down Home

    This is a great album!  Laid back traditional jazz
stuff.  Although someone said they'd never heard
Frisell play so traditionally, try the "Songs We Know"
CD with Frisell and Fred Hersch.
    I see the new Joey Baron album, do out this
spring, has the same line up as "Down Home."  This is
a must have for a guy like me.

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Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 11:51:10 -0300
From: Linares Hugo <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: Joey Baron - Down Home

> It's a good all-around album.  Very laid back, very mellow.  And very
> little
> of Frisell's trademark twang.  Actually, this is the most traditional jazz
> guitar I've ever heard him play.  You wouldn't guess it was Frisell
> playing
> if you had heard it before knowing he was on there.
>
> If you like what you heard, you won't be disappointed.  The whole album is
> very good, if not excellent.  I also highly recommend Joey Baron's other
> solo album, Raised Pleasure Dot.  It's very odd but very fun.
>
> Tom
>
>
    [Linares Hugo]
    Seconded.
    Also Arthur Blythe is in great shape. You wouldn't guess it was
Blythe playing unless you read the credits.
    As Tom recommends Raised Pleasure Dot, I'd recommend "Crackshot",
with the same lineup, but different -musically speaking- from Down Home.

    Hugo


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Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 10:11:23 -0500
From: Jason Tors <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: RUINS/brubeck

avant put out a brubeck tribute album with ruins, eric freilander,
medeski martin and wood, sex mob, slow poke, dave douglas, uri caine
trio, pachora, a duet with joey baron and tony scher, and a few
others I am forgetting right now.

Its a good album. If you like the players you will like the cd.


>> > For too long I have ignored this band. Their version of Blue Rondo
>> > ala Turk on the avant Brubeck tribute floored me.
>
>what is this? i haven't heard of it. who's on this?
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Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 08:10:13 -0800
From: "Patrice L. Roussel" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Caine, Bach & Gould

On Thu, 16 Mar 2000 12:24:40 +0100 (MET)  Stephen Fruitman wrote:
>
> recording of the piece. From the press sheet: "Bach┤s music dallies in a
> Leipzig cathedral, jumps out through the window and lands on a streetcorner
> in New York, visits a Jewish wedding, spends some time in New Orleans, and
> plunges into wild, free-form trumpeting before seeking refuge in blind
> panic in the throbbing lights of a drum┤n┤bass club."

Isn't scarry?

    Patrice.

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Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 13:40:52 -0300
From: Linares Hugo <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: Caine, Bach & Gould

> > recording of the piece. From the press sheet: "Bach=B4s music =
dallies in a
> > Leipzig cathedral, jumps out through the window and lands on a
> streetcorner
> > in New York, visits a Jewish wedding, spends some time in New =
Orleans,
> and
> > plunges into wild, free-form trumpeting before seeking refuge in =
blind
> > panic in the throbbing lights of a drum=B4n=B4bass club."
>=20
> Isn't scarry?
>=20
    [Linares Hugo] =20

    Did you mean "scary", Patrice?
    Or is it a new "slang" I've missed?=20

    Hugo


>     Patrice.
>=20
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Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 08:50:06 -0800
From: "Patrice L. Roussel" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Caine, Bach & Gould

On Thu, 16 Mar 2000 13:40:52 -0300  Linares Hugo wrote:
>
> > Isn't scarry?
>
>     [Linares Hugo]
>
>     Did you mean "scary", Patrice?
>     Or is it a new "slang" I've missed?

Oops! I meant scary, of course.

    Patrice.

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Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 08:19:39 -0800
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Inside Out, S. Rivers, D.Cherry, I. Stravinsky

"It takes a long time to be traditional musician, but a few minutes to
be a free one.'' -- Sam Rivers, in a pretty good and fairly long
interview in the new Downbeat.

Continuing that thread: This morning I put on Don Cherry/Ed Blackwell
ECM duet, El Corazon, for the first time in a few years. I had
forgotten Cherry's facile, traditional piano rendition of Monk's Bemsha
Swing -- surprised even. It's not just the critics that fall into these
stereotypes....

Also, was listening to Stravinsky's Les Noces -- anybody else find this
chorus plus percussion work reminiscent of Harry Partch (altho it
precedes Partch)....

Martin

NP Dewey Redman -- Coincide

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Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 12:26:14 EST
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re:  RE: Joey Baron - Down Home

I agree.  CRACKSHOT is the best Joey so far, espec "Punt".

skip h

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Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 09:31:38 -0800
From: "Patrice L. Roussel" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Inside Out, S. Rivers, D.Cherry, I. Stravinsky

On Thu, 16 Mar 2000 08:19:39 -0800  [e-mail] wrote:
>
> Also, was listening to Stravinsky's Les Noces -- anybody else find this
> chorus plus percussion work reminiscent of Harry Partch (altho it
> precedes Partch)....

I might not have listened to the right Harry Partch because the comparison
never came to me. I am a huge fan of LES NOCES and consider that this too
often overlooked piece is one of the masterpieces of this century. I dream
sometimes that people would give up on CARMINA BURANA and instead listen to
LES NOCES... (or at least stop making statements about CARMINA BURANA until
they have listened to LES NOCES).

    Patrice.

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Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 11:48:02 -0600 (CST)
From: Whit Schonbein <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: ruins

On Thu, 16 Mar 2000, Zorn List Digest wrote:
> Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 15:46:19 -0500
> From: [e-mail]
> Subject: ruinz
>
> others can be a pretty mixd bag. refusal fossil, on skin graft i think or some
> other chicago label, is a live/outtake sorta comp, lot of it unnecessary unless
> you're going completist. and if the magma overtones are hard for you to take (as
> they are me a little and jon perhaps moreso) avoid sympohonica (on tzadik) at
> all costs.

'refusal fossil' is the only ruins i have, and i think it is great.  the
lo-fi crap sound only enhances the experience for me.  it does have a high
prog-rock component (i think one of the later tunes is a prog-rock medley
of some sort), though (which is no problem to my ears).  i've heard two
live bootlegs from 98 and 99, and they did not strike me as radically
different from refusal fossil...which makes me curious about the other
reccommendations being given on the list.  whatever the case, i really
enjoy refusal fossil.

cheers,
whit

np - charles mingus, mingus mingus mingus mingus mingus


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Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 12:05:30 -0600 (CST)
From: Whit Schonbein <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Zorn List Digest V2 #892

On Thu, 16 Mar 2000, Zorn List Digest wrote:
> Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 17:51:26 -0700
> From: "Tom Johnson" <[e-mail]>
> Subject: Re: Joey Baron - Down Home
> If you like what you heard, you won't be disappointed.  The whole album is
> very good, if not excellent.  I also highly recommend Joey Baron's other
> solo album, Raised Pleasure Dot.  It's very odd but very fun.

For the record, Down Home has Frisell, Ron Carter, Joey Baron, and Arthur
Blythe on Sax; it is very straightforward, as tom notes.

Raised Pleasure Dot i *think* is by Baron's earlier group, Barondown, with
Steve Swell on trombone and Ellery Eskelin on sax.  Strange
instrumentation for a fun trio.  I'm not much of a fan of this band, but I
know several people who love it.  They have two (?) other albums, the
names of which I forget.

(There may be some other bands, too; I recall an album by Baron called
'crackshot' - maybe this is a Barondown album?)

Finally, there's his more recent band consisting of Baron, John Medeski on
organ, and Marc Ribot on guitar.  There are several bootlegs of this band
in action floating around, and this band is by far my favorite Baron-led
band.  I think they began as an all-improv unit (i heard one tape where
they kept jokingly referring to every jam as 'song #1'), but 'real' songs
with 'real' names somehow came to be.

in that respect, 2L writes:

> Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 13:02:08 +0100
> From: 2L <[e-mail]>
> Subject: Re: Joey Baron - Down Home
>
> And what about his latest solo album, "We'll soon find out"?
> Because I saw Joey play at the Banlieues Bleues Festival (near Paris, Fra=
> nce)
> last week (with Ribot and Medeski)

My question is, is the new album with ribot and medeski? and when is it
released in the US?

cheers,
whit


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Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 13:14:59 -0500
From: Dan Hewins <[e-mail]>
Subject: Joey Baron stuff

>Finally, there's his more recent band consisting of Baron, John Medeski on
>organ, and Marc Ribot on guitar.  There are several bootlegs of this band
>in action floating around, and this band is by far my favorite Baron-led
>band.  I think they began as an all-improv unit (i heard one tape where
>they kept jokingly referring to every jam as 'song #1'), but 'real' songs
>with 'real' names somehow came to be.

I saw this band at the Knitting Factory recently and I also think
they're a great band.  Also my favorite Baron led band.  They
definitely had written music to play.  I would say that there was a
lot of improvisation in the music but every tune had a chart.  (Even
the 20-30 min. long droning piece that Joey introduced "...this one
is for lovers...")

Dan

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Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 13:52:06 EST
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: promo Ersthwile records

In a message dated 3/16/00 2:49:12 AM, [e-mail] writes:

<< any (succint) summary reviews, preferred items regarding

Jon's (friendly) spam? >>

don't hold back your opinions because I'm here, I'd love to hear the
feedback, good or bad. I know at least a few of you out there have fairly
complete Erstwhile collections.

Jon
www.erstwhilerecords.com

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Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2000 21:33:08 +0000
From: "Scott" <[e-mail]>
Subject: [thewire] AMM play Scotland shock

From: "Scott" <[e-mail]>

April/May coming, Glasgow plays host to a couple of serious improvisation
weekends under the stewardship of Evan Parker. Appearances by AMM, Barry
Guy, Han Bennink, Alex Von Schlippenbach and many others. Initial details
can be found under the news section at the url below.

Scott Russell
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White Noise
For experimental events in Scotland
http://www.burntweeny.freeserve.co.uk

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