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Zorn List Digest        Thursday, March 9 2000        Volume 02 : Number 884



In this issue:
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       Blind Idiot God
       Re: Han Bennink
       think BYG
       Re: think BYG
       standards and the pizza parlor
       Re: think BYG
       Re: think BYG
       Re: think BYG
       Re: jim black
       JOHN ZORN discography v. 13.0
       New Andrew Hill with Marty Ehrlich?
       Just the pizza parlour.
       JOHN ZORN discography v. 13.0
       CD sale
       Re: New Andrew Hill with Marty Ehrlich?
       Re: Bennink
       Frank Denyer
       publishing on zorn, et al.

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Date: Thu, 09 Mar 2000 12:32:21 -0600
From: "Robert A. Pleshar" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Blind Idiot God

Hi-

Anyone interested in a copy of the first Blind Idiot God lp on SST? I came
across a copy of it. It's in excellent condition, but the upper right
corner is cutout. Willing to trade or sell.

Ralph

Robert Pleshar
Head, Serial Orders
University of Chicago Library
1100 E. 57th Street
Chicago, IL 60637

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Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2000 13:51:54 EST
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: Han Bennink

In a message dated 3/9/00 11:09:14 AM, [e-mail] writes:

<< But because of his over-reliance of
shtick, he's one of the few musicians I would say is better heard than seen.
>>

wow, I couldn't disagree more. maybe you're a bit jaded from seeing him too
many times, Ken, since he does tend to repeat some of the same bits in
different performances, but I think he's incredibly fun to watch live, and a
lot of the time, he's hilarious. two examples, from his solo sets last year
in the Old Office of the Knitting Factory:

1) he moved one stand-alone drum and his seat, so he was about a foot away
from the front row of the audience. he then started beating the hell out of
the drum, incredibly loudly. one audience member, right next to him, began
flinching, and subtly moving away, almost subconsciously. so, after a few
minutes, Bennink went out of his way to hit the audience member with his
sticks, incorporating him in as a drum. not hard at all, but it was so
unexpected that it was hysterical.

2) later in the set, he tied a cord to one of his cymbal poles, and brought
it out into the audience, down the aisle. he handed it to an unsuspecting
audience member, and showed him how to pull the cord gently to get the cymbal
to tip over slightly and bang the one next to it. after Bennink felt he had
this mastered, he left the room for a few minutes entirely, and let the
audience member play music for us.

does anyone know the full details of this BYG/Actuel catalog resuscitation
which Charly seems to have begun? I'm hearing Sun Ra's Solar Myth Approach
right now for the first time, and enjoying it quite a bit.

Jon
www.erstwhilerecords.com

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Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2000 14:08:51 -0500
From: "Michael Berman" <[e-mail]>
Subject: think BYG

>does anyone know the full details of this BYG/Actuel catalog =
resuscitation=20
which Charly seems to have begun?=20

is there a list for this somewhere?  Does it include all those Archie =
Shepp recordings as well?


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Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2000 14:07:17 EST
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: think BYG

In a message dated 3/9/00 1:59:12 PM, [e-mail] writes:

<< is there a list for this somewhere?  Does it include all those Archie
Shepp recordings as well? >>

the ones out so far are the Sun Ra, which is a 2 CD set, Shepp's Blase/Live
at the Pan African festival (2 CDs), and Don Cherry's Mu, the Complete
Session. plus, there's supposed to be a 3 CD label compilation out. that's
all I know, which is why I asked.

Jon
www.erstwhilerecords.com

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Date: Thu, 09 Mar 2000 14:28:34 -0500
From: [e-mail]
Subject: standards and the pizza parlor

Dan ceremoneously announced that, "The infamous Manhattan's Pizza Parlor set, is
going to be released on CD!!!"

I wish it were infamous enough that I knew it. Tell more! When, what, where?
What label?
I love C-M. Like Eugene Chadbourne, his sensibilities add to my appreciation of
the music.
I've seen him destroy pianos, too. I guess I should be glad to be on his good
side, because he told me that he'll come play the Brecht Forum anytime, but "I
won't play your piano, 'cause I'll break it."


Later, Velaires recalled that, "Joey Baron told me once that people think,
because he plays with guys like Zorn, that he probably can't play a bar of
straight time on a ride cymbal."

I don't recall which early Braxton record it was, but I remember him playing
"Summertime" after a lengthy and amusingly academic spoken intro saying that
they were going to prove that outside players could play standards.



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Date: Thu, 09 Mar 2000 13:05:27 -0800
From: "Patrice L. Roussel" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: think BYG

On Thu, 9 Mar 2000 14:08:51 -0500  "Michael Berman" wrote:
>
> >does anyone know the full details of this BYG/Actuel catalog resuscitation
> which Charly seems to have begun?

What do you mean by "seems to have begun"?

As far as I know, BLASE has been issued twice on Charly:

    1987 - Charly (UK), 77 (CD)
    1994 - Charly (UK), Le Jazz CD 26 (CD)

Are you talking about a new reissue?

Other Shepp on Charly:

*** - LIVE AT THE PAN-AFRICAN FESTIVAL: Archie Shepp (1987 - Charly (UK), ?? (CD))
*** - YASMINA, A BLACK WOMAN: Archie Shepp (1987 - Charly (UK), ?? (CD))
*** - POEM FOR MALCOLM: Archie Shepp (1987 - Charly (UK), ?? (CD))

    Patrice.

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Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2000 16:08:53 EST
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: think BYG

In a message dated 3/9/00 4:05:50 PM, [e-mail] writes:

<< As far as I know, BLASE has been issued twice on Charly:

    1987 - Charly (UK), 77 (CD)
    1994 - Charly (UK), Le Jazz CD 26 (CD)

Are you talking about a new reissue? >>

yup, these are new, copyright 2000. they're also Charly, but I think they're
Charly Germany, which I've never heard of before.

Jon
www.erstwhilerecords.com

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Date: Thu, 09 Mar 2000 13:14:18 -0800
From: "Patrice L. Roussel" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: think BYG

On Thu, 9 Mar 2000 16:08:53 EST  [e-mail] wrote:
>
> yup, these are new, copyright 2000. they're also Charly, but I think they're
> Charly Germany, which I've never heard of before.
                ^^^^^^^^^^^^

Following a long tradition, Charly/Affinity/BYG changes addresses on a
regular basis... They have been in Germany for at least four years (1996 is
the oldest that I know of -- reissue of THE GOLDEN PALOMINOS).

    Patrice.

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Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2000 15:28:55 -0600 (CST)
From: Tom Benton <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: jim black

Steve Smith boldly declared -

> And I'll also recommend most highly the two Peter Epstein discs on the
> M+A label, 'Staring at the Sun' and 'The Invisible.'  Fellow Z-lister
> Tom Benton will back me up on this, these two discs are full of lovely
> writing, penetrating playing by saxophonist Eptein, accordionist and
> organist Jamie Saft, bassist Chris Dahlgren and Black, and an added
> bonus is they are two of the more exquisitely recorded discs I've ever
> heard.  You'll hear every little detail of Black's inspired mayhem.

And it's perhaps some of the most delicate mayhem you'll ever hear; what
really gets me about both of these discs is that no matter how intense the
music feels, the band never seems to be playing _that_ hard.  Admittedly,
they do wander into the outer regions from time to time, but there's never
that overt shift in dynamics that you hear when Bloodcount is going full
throttle or Chris Speed's band is in rocked-out mode (just to cite two
other Jim Black groups).  But nevertheless the transitions still happen,
you can feel it ever so subtly when the band turns things up a notch, and
I can't think of anything else to chalk this up to other than Epstein's
clever writing and the incredible cohesion of his group.

'Staring at the Sun' continues to amaze me however long after its release,
and I'm really getting into 'The Invisible'.  I think Jamie really shines
on here - he plays just accordion on the first album, and splits his time
between organ and piano on this one; 'Ragged Jack' just doesn't do
justice, in my opinion, to his piano work.  I was sitting at home a couple
of nights ago and that crazy "anti-comping" he's doing behind Peter on the
first track just hit me like a truck, I had to just play it a bunch more
times and figure out what in the world was going on...

And while we're on this Jim Black thing, I can't believe no one has
brought up Human Feel.  Chris Speed and Andrew d'Angelo on reeds, Kurt
Rosenwinkle on guitar, and Jim Black on the tubs.  This group got started
up while all these guys were in school in Boston and, as I understand it,
operated as something of a "home base" for a couple of years after they
all moved to NYC.  They have a handful of records out there, though my
fave is definitely the most recent (from 1995 I think, they don't actually
play anymore) on Songlines, 'Speak To It'.  Among a very short-ish list of
records that serious kicked open my ears and really changed how I
appreciate music.

Since this hasn't been brought up either, it's probably worth mentioning
that Jim will be putting out a record as a leader on W&W this summer, with
Chris Speed, Skuli Sverrison on bass, and Icelandic guitar guy Hillmar
Jennson (whose album, 'Doffin', featuring this same cast and then some, is
well worth picking up if you can find it).


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Date: Thu, 09 Mar 2000 15:01:17 -0800
From: "Patrice L. Roussel" <[e-mail]>
Subject: JOHN ZORN discography v. 13.0

    To let you know that the discography of John Zorn has been updated.
There is a total of 270 record listed.

    Patrice.

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Date: Thu, 09 Mar 2000 15:19:41 -0800
From: "Patrice L. Roussel" <[e-mail]>
Subject: New Andrew Hill with Marty Ehrlich?

    Does anybody know on what label this Andrew Hill sextet (with Marty
Ehrlich) will be released?

    Thanks,

    Patrice.

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Date: Thu, 09 Mar 2000 18:35:22 -0500
From: Taylor McLaren <[e-mail]>
Subject: Just the pizza parlour.

MEEP! A certain Kurt <[e-mail]> wrote:
>I wish it were infamous enough that I knew it. Tell more! When, what, where?
>What label?
Not to "me too" too obviously, but I'm particularly curious about the last
question... I lived about two blocks down the street from said pizza place
at the time of the show, and as with most events in Guelph, I didn't know
anything about it until about a month after it had happened. In fact, it
irks me now that I didn't get out of the basement hidey-hole of mine more
often when I was at school there, as I'm constantly reading about neat
stuff that I managed to miss by virtue of having my head in a book.
  For what it's worth, I also miss Manhattan's extra-thick three-cheese blend.

- -me



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Date: Thu, 09 Mar 2000 15:01:17 -0800
From: "Patrice L. Roussel" <[e-mail]>
Subject: JOHN ZORN discography v. 13.0

    To let you know that the discography of John Zorn has been updated.
There is a total of 270 record listed.

    Patrice.

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Date: Thu, 09 Mar 2000 20:30:52 EST
From: "Bruno Bissonnette" <[e-mail]>
Subject: CD sale

Here's a list of CDs I have for sale which might interest
members of this list; please e-mail me privately for prices
or other questions:

John Coltrane: Giant Steps
Kali Fasteau: Comraderie (w/Joe McPhee)
Masada: Vav (six)  (DIW)
Haino Keiji w/Cohen, Baron: An Unclear Trial, more than this (Avant)
Pat Metheny Group: Imaginary Day
Bennink/Douglas: Serpentine
Derek Bailey: Guitar drums n' bass (Avant)
Shining Path: Another World (w/Hellborg)
Glenn Branca: Symphony no.6
Purple Trap (Haino w/Laswell, Ali): Decided... (2CDs) (Tzadik)
Anthony Braxton/Richard Teitelbaum: Live at Merkin Hall
Caspar Brotzmann/Page Hamilton: Zulutime (Atavistic)
Haino Keiji: Tenshi No Gijinka  (Tzadik)
Previte/Ducret: In the Grass
John Zorn: the Circle Maker (2CDs)  (Tzadik)
David Murray/Milford Graves: Real Deal (DIW)
Marc Edwards Trio: Red Sprites and Blue Jets (CIMP)
Rashied Ali/Louie Belongenis: Rings of Saturn  (KFW)
Charles Gayle: Repent  (KFW)
John Butcher/Georg Grawe: light's view (nuscope)

Bruno Bissonnette

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Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2000 20:42:53 -0500
From: "Alan Lankin" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: New Andrew Hill with Marty Ehrlich?


> Does anybody know on what label this Andrew Hill sextet (with Marty
> Ehrlich) will be released?

It's on Palmetto and is due out next Tuesday (3/14).

Alan Lankin
[e-mail]

- ---------------------------------------------
http://home.att.net/~lankina/jazz == Jazzmatazz
http://home.att.net/~lankina/jazz/upcomingcds.html == upcoming jazz CDs



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Date: Thu, 09 Mar 2000 18:40:20 -0700
From: Dan Given <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Bennink

>Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2000 11:07:52 -0500 (EST)
>From: Ken Waxman <[e-mail]>
>Subject: Re: Han Bennink
>
>Another couple of good places to start re: Han
>
>Dissonant Characters (hatology) -- a duo with Ellery Eskelin (ts)
>3 points and a mountain ... plus (newly reissued with additional material
>from FMP) --Misha Mengelberg (p and recitation); Peter Brotzmann (alto
>and tenor saxes, clarinet, bass clarinet); Bennink (drums, percussion,
>toys, noise, tenor saxophone[!] clarinet [!!] etc. etc.
>
>I think Han is a great drummer. But because of his over-reliance of
>shtick, he's one of the few musicians I would say is better heard than seen.

I have to agree with Ken here -- the last couple of times I saw Han playing
made me wish I had stayed home and listened to records.   And there are
some great records (CDs, whatever):

I think I've recommended Marion Brown's Porto Novo on the list before in
some other context, but still think it is one of the finest examples of
late 60s Bennink.

The new Tobias Delius quartet Toby's Mloby  (ICP 34) has some great
swinging jazz drumming. This quartet might be the best 'mainstream'  jazz
band I've heard in a while. Their previous disc, The Heron, was very good,
but I like this one better.

And for those who want to hear more of Han on other instruments (as Ken
mentions above) there is a new 2 disc set on Leo's Golden Years of Free
Jazz label called Jazz Bunker, cocredited to Bennink, Eugene Chadbourne and
Toshinoro Kondo. It is a live recording from 1980, of pretty dismall sound
quality (can't even here Chadbourne usually), and features some very sloppy
performances. However, when it does all  come together, there are some
spectacular moments.  Bennink plays both tenor and soprano sax, clarinet,
piano (as does EC), drums, and I can't remember what all else ( a friend
borrowed it today, so I can't get the exact list).

Dan

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Date: Thu, 09 Mar 2000 21:42:45 -0500
From: Brian Olewnick <[e-mail]>
Subject: Frank Denyer

I only know Denyer from liner notes to various Matchless releases, but
apparently he has an album of his own out (on Matchless?). Anyone heard
it?

Brian Olewnick

NP-Disco Inferno, 'In Debt'

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Date: Thu, 09 Mar 2000 22:43:09 -0500
From: Matt Laferty <[e-mail]>
Subject: publishing on zorn, et al.

Zornsters

I've been lurking for a while, and since I'm an editor for this
magazine, I want to personally extend an invitation to you folks to
submit articles or proposals on *this stuff.*  I reckon the recent
debates over women and the avant-garde, the "encore," or MP3 doo-hickeys
would make good articles, but we are open to all kinds of pop (or
obscure) culture pieces.

Email me off list for more information.

thanks

Matt Laferty
[e-mail]

NP: Waylon: Honky Tonk Heroes!



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