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Zorn List Digest        Thursday, March 2 2000        Volume 02 : Number 873



In this issue:
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       RE: how it happened...
       Re: The United States of America (the band)
       Kowald (Re: How It Happened (young 'uns))
       jazz!
       steps across the border(frith)
       frisell and npr
       RE: frisell and npr
       re: several posts
       RE: how it happened...
       re: extra Tom & Gerry
       chix'n'dudes/nike/u.s.a. (what list is this?)
       =?ISO-8859-1?Q?PROMO:=20Kevin=20Drumm/Martin=20T=E9treault-Parti?= =?ISO-8859-1?Q?cles=20and=20Smears=7F?=
       Re: jazz!
       Re: jazz!
       Lil' help/No girls here
       Re: united states of america / joe byrd
       Re: The United States of America (the band)
       Re: united states of america / joe byrd

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Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2000 01:30:51 -0800 (PST)
From: SUGAR in their vitamins? <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: how it happened...

On Wed, 1 Mar 2000, J. Kan wrote:

>   +  The now sadly defunct nm-list, which was (I guess) the direct
>      ancestor to zorn-list.  Is anybody else (other than mike rizzi)
>      still here?

it's still around, just completely dormant.
every few months, xby likes posting to it. hehehe

hasta.

Yes.  Beautiful, wonderful nature.  Hear it sing to us: *snap*  Yes.  natURE.


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Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2000 01:44:10 -0800 (PST)
From: SUGAR in their vitamins? <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: The United States of America (the band)

On Wed, 1 Mar 2000, Dave Trenkel wrote:

> It is out on CD, I have a copy around here somewhere, bought it ~8 months
> ago. Wasn't hard to find.

where did you find it?

i've looked around amoeba and not found it.
(but then again, i couldn't find any of the erstwhile
records either! Jon - fyi, i found your recs
at Streetlight down in san jose of all places! hehehe)

hasta.

Yes.  Beautiful, wonderful nature.  Hear it sing to us: *snap*  Yes.  natURE.


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Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2000 10:53:07 +0100 (MET)
From: Steve Berman <[e-mail]>
Subject: Kowald (Re: How It Happened (young 'uns))

>>>>> "Nirav" == Nirav Soni <[e-mail]> writes:

    Nirav> Could anyone describe Peter Kowald's work? He's coming to
    Nirav> Orlando in a few days, and I'm curious to know what to
    Nirav> expect. I've heard him described as an "incredibly
    Nirav> resourceful bass player and multiphonic throat singer." The
    Nirav> first set is solo, and for the second, he will be
    Nirav> improvising with local drummer Micheal Welsch.[...]

Kowald is one of the key musicians of so-called European free
improvisation, and has been since the mid 60s. He's played in a very
wide variety of settings, from solo and duo to small and midsize group
to big band/orchestral, and I believe he's also played relatively
mainstream jazz in addition to free jazz/free improv. His solo bass
playing is wonderful, my impression is that it's generally (but not
always) more melodic, more rhythmically regular, and less percussive
than, say, Barry Guy's playing, but much more abstract than, say, Dave
Holland's. His throat singing is used relatively sparingly, to good
effect. His solo CD _Was da ist_ on FMP is superb, perhaps my favorite
solo bass recording. For more info on Kowald see e.g.:
<www.shef.ac.uk/misc/rec/ps/efi/ehome.html> and <www.kowald.de>.

- --Steve Berman

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Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2000 11:16:30 GMT+0100
From: "Jeroen de Boer" <[e-mail]>
Subject: jazz!

Hi all,

Last weekend I was discussing the music of Dave Douglas with a
friend. Besides effortlessly agreeing he is on of the most
interesting musicians around, we were particularly talking about the
projects he does with his quartet and sextet. With these groups he
achieves on of the highest standards in jazz today, and made us
wondering: is the most interesting mainstream-jazz today performed
and composed by musicians coming from a "free" background?

Jeroen

np. Pita - Seven tons for free





- ----------------------------------------
Jeroen de Boer
co-initiator Cyberslag Foundation
music director Open Electronic Festival
Munnekeholm 10
9711JA Groningen
The Netherlands
tel: [phone]
fax: [phone]
[e-mail]
[e-mail]
http://www.cyberslag.com
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Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2000 03:24:25 -0800 (PST)
From: Tom Gatzen <[e-mail]>
Subject: steps across the border(frith)

anyone out there have a copy of the VHS or can make
one for a trade????  Let me know..

Tom
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Date: Thu, 02 Mar 2000 06:57:43 -0500
From: "Caleb T. Deupree" <[e-mail]>
Subject: frisell and npr

There was an interesting story about Bill Frisell on NPR this morning,
including some discussion and excerpts from his upcoming solo guitar
(although multi-tracked) album coming out next week.  Among the
collaborators interviewed were Curtis Fowlkes and Victor Krause, and it
also included discussion/excerpts from an album of jazz arrangements of
songs by Elvis Costello and Burt Bacharach.  Morning Edition repeats around
here, so if you get this message in time you might catch it later this
morning.


- --
Caleb Deupree
[e-mail]

It is pretty obvious that the debasement of the human mind caused by a
constant flow of fraudulent advertising is no trivial thing.  There is more
than one way to conquer a country.

- -- Raymond Chandler

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Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2000 09:17:58 -0300
From: Linares Hugo <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: frisell and npr

> There was an interesting story about Bill Frisell on NPR this morning,
> including some discussion and excerpts from his upcoming solo guitar
>
>
    What d'you mean for NPR?

    Hugo

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Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2000 08:59:32 -0500
From: "Joslyn Layne" <[e-mail]>
Subject: re: several posts

   first, Kurt's "GrAYting" post:
i believe that a kanoon, or qanun, [i'm sure there are endless spelling
variations] is a plucked zither. and i'd like to know more about Bunka,
too...

   second, has the John Wall discussed here done engineering/mixing/sampling
for others?
i realize it's not the most uncommon name, but just wondered if he was the
same guy on 13th floor elevators 'circus under the sky' -- probably not.

   and, to Scott Handley, or anyone else who is familiar with it:
are there different issues of the Angry Women book? or is it just
repressings that i'm seeing as multiple listings? And, Angry Women in Rock
is also different?  it's all on Re/Search, edited by Andrea Juno...


    joslyn



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Date: Thu, 02 Mar 2000 08:02:57 -0600
From: "Robert A. Pleshar" <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: how it happened...

At least one more from nm-list days. I'm sure there are a few more.

Ralph

At 11:08 PM 3/1/00 -0500, J. Kan wrote:
>  +  The now sadly defunct nm-list, which was (I guess) the direct
>     ancestor to zorn-list.  Is anybody else (other than mike rizzi)
>     still here?
>
>Jim


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Date: Thu, 02 Mar 2000 10:16:40 -0500
From: [e-mail]
Subject: re: extra Tom & Gerry

were you billed for this? i wouldn't necessarily be a prude about stiffing
tower, but since bruce is a fellow traveller, think about returning it or
sending him the $20.

kg
_______________________

Date: Wed, 01 Mar 2000 20:37:34 -0600
From: neongreen7 <[e-mail]>
Subject: extra Tom & Gerry

i just got my order from the downtown music gallery and got some great
stuff. i think there was a miscommunication and i got copy of Tom & Gerry
that i didn't want(i already have it). for those of you that may not know,
it Gerry Heingway on drums and Thomas Lehn on analogue synth.
i think you can download a track here:
http://www.erstwhilerecords.com/catalog/004.asp

anyway, if anyone wants it for $20, that'd be cool. i can fed-ex from work,
so postage isn't a problem within the USA. otherwise, i'll have to hasle
with returning it.

thanks,
craig
(i'm new to zorn and the list. how new to zorn? just bought ALL of the
masada stuff this week! i also bought quite a bit of naked city and tzadik
stuff too.)




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Date: Thu, 02 Mar 2000 10:36:15 -0500
From: [e-mail]
Subject: chix'n'dudes/nike/u.s.a. (what list is this?)

cindy e makes a good point, that "a lot of the men in the crowd can be real
jerks, groping, pushing,trying to intimidate, do just being inconsiderate to
smaller people in the audience (male and female)." i remember being at a melt
banana gig at the knit where two guys lunged on stage after the show when they
started bringing out the merchandise. the poor (small, female) singer looked
truly frightened, and then -- realizing i guess that they weren't trying to harm
her -- said 'please, back, we're japanese.'

another time (another melt banana gig at the knit, as it happens), some young
suited fratty moron jumped on top of me, fell and kicked my bag, scattering
stuff everwhere (never found my discman), i guess in an attempt to start a mosh.
funny thing was, he and a few others like him didn't know the band. once they
realized it wasn't the thrash they were expecting, they stood in the front,
having forced all of the bands fans (not that there were a lot of us, it was a
while ago) to the back.

so, yes, boys can behave badly at shows. and without trying to start a gender
war here (i held off on this observation on my previous post), i think women are
more likely to end up seeing a band they've never heard of. i've never seen men
complain loudly about how much a band sucks without just leaving, but i've seen
plenty of women loudly display their resent at having to be in the room. it goes
back to my previous post that women, perhaps, are more likely to end up at a
show with a date or a group of friends. (i have been dragged to see bands that
bored me on dates, by the way, but i kept my cakehole shut).

more important, methinks, is parry's suggestion that "a lot of people of both
sexes just need more exposure to adventurous music. Viva la dissonance." (i love
that.)

as for the nike vids -- i saw them 6 yrs ago at the zorn retrospective, when he
did a night of playing videos. the commercials, the cynical hysterie hour, and
the naked city enema video. the commercials stick out the least in my mind.
nothing really exceptional about them, as i recall. but i don't know how you can
get them.

i was at downtown music gallery recently and was pleased to hear bruce playing a
"united states of america" disc. i only knew them from the charmingly odd track
"i won't trade my wooden wife for you, sugar" from a rock comp i had about a
decade ago (but i can still sing the song). since bruce usually only plays new
releases and reissues, you might be able to get it from him.

cheers.



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Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2000 11:36:19 EST
From: [e-mail]
Subject: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?PROMO:=20Kevin=20Drumm/Martin=20T=E9treault-Parti?= =?ISO-8859-1?Q?cles=20and=20Smears=7F?=

sorry for the promotional intrusion, and further apologies if you receive=20
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007-John Butcher/Phil Durrant=20
008-Christof Kurzmann/Burkhard Stangl-Schnee
009-G=FCnter M=FCller/L=EA Quan Ninh
010-Otomo Yoshihide/Voice Crack
012-Thomas Lehn/Marcus Schmickler
013-Kevin Drumm/Axel D=F6rner

also available now:

001-VHF-Extracts
002-Haunted House-Up In Flames
003-Earl Howard/Denman Maroney-Fire Song
004-2-Thomas Lehn/Gerry Hemingway-Tom & Gerry (double CD)

thanks for reading.

Jon
www.erstwhilerecords.com

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Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2000 12:00:37 -0500
From: Joseph Zitt <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: jazz!

On Thu, Mar 02, 2000 at 11:16:30AM +0000, Jeroen de Boer wrote:

> Last weekend I was discussing the music of Dave Douglas with a
> friend. Besides effortlessly agreeing he is on of the most
> interesting musicians around, we were particularly talking about the
> projects he does with his quartet and sextet. With these groups he
> achieves on of the highest standards in jazz today, and made us
> wondering: is the most interesting mainstream-jazz today performed
> and composed by musicians coming from a "free" background?

It may be that musicians coming from a "free" background do the
mainstream jazz that listeners coming from a "free" prespective are
most likely to find interesting.

- --
|> ~The only thing that is not art is inattention~ --- Marcel Duchamp <|
| [e-mail]           http://www.metatronpress.com/jzitt |
| Latest CD: Jerusaklyn                  http://www.mp3.com/josephzitt |
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Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2000 17:50:15 GMT+0100
From: "Jeroen de Boer" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: jazz!

> > is the most interesting mainstream-jazz today performed
> > and composed by musicians coming from a "free" background?
>
> It may be that musicians coming from a "free" background do the
> mainstream jazz that listeners coming from a "free" prespective are
> most likely to find interesting.

But how does this explain the interest from mainstream-focussed
magazines such as Downbeat in Douglas' music?

Jeroen



- ----------------------------------------
Jeroen de Boer
co-initiator Cyberslag Foundation
music director Open Electronic Festival
Munnekeholm 10
9711JA Groningen
The Netherlands
tel: [phone]
fax: [phone]
[e-mail]
[e-mail]
http://www.cyberslag.com
- ----------------------------------------

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Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2000 12:56:00 -0500
From: "Mark Corroto" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Lil' help/No girls here

Sunday night in Columbus, Ohio
we will be visited by Chris Speed and his band
plus opening act Avant Collective (local band)

Anyone know who is touring with Mr. Speed these days?

the show is at Little Brothers on High St.
I'll be one of the many Male's there
my wife cannot make it

although if she does see a band like
Tim Berne's Bloodcount
and Sex Mob
she is their biggest fan
If she hasn't seen them
she sez turn off that NOISE


MC

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Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2000 13:14:23 -0600 (CST)
From: Whit Schonbein <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: united states of america / joe byrd

> Date: Wed, 01 Mar 2000 20:11:29 -0500
> From: "Caleb T. Deupree" <[e-mail]>
> Subject: Re: The United States of America (the band)
>
> At 04:48 PM 3/1/00 -0800, Greg Mills wrote:
> >Anyone know anything about this band (circa '68)?
>
> The one with Joseph Byrd?  I remember this album, one of the few which a)

hmmm. this rang a bell in the depths of my memory.  is this the same
'joseph byrd' as 'joe byrd and the field hippies'?  i *think* i have an lp
called 'joe byrd and the field hippies' that i bought used back in 86 or
so (being a hippie at the time ;).  i haven't listened to it since i
bought it b/c it was too weird for my virgin ears.

whit



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Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2000 11:52:07 -0800
From: [e-mail] (Dave Trenkel)
Subject: Re: The United States of America (the band)

At 1:44 AM 3/2/00, SUGAR in their vitamins? wrote:
>On Wed, 1 Mar 2000, Dave Trenkel wrote:
>
>> It is out on CD, I have a copy around here somewhere, bought it ~8 months
>> ago. Wasn't hard to find.
>
>where did you find it?
>
>i've looked around amoeba and not found it.

I ordered it through my local record store, it was listed in their
distributors catalog. My copy is an English import, on Demon Records, 1997,
but I don't recall paying more than usual retail for it, had it been more
expensive I probably wouldn't have ordered it.

____________________________________________
Dave Trenkel : [e-mail]
Minus Web Site: http://listen.to/minusmusic
Minus MP3's: http://www.mp3.com/-minus-
____________________________________________



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Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2000 13:14:23 -0600 (CST)
From: Whit Schonbein <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: united states of america / joe byrd

> Date: Wed, 01 Mar 2000 20:11:29 -0500
> From: "Caleb T. Deupree" <[e-mail]>
> Subject: Re: The United States of America (the band)
>
> At 04:48 PM 3/1/00 -0800, Greg Mills wrote:
> >Anyone know anything about this band (circa '68)?
>
> The one with Joseph Byrd?  I remember this album, one of the few which a)

hmmm. this rang a bell in the depths of my memory.  is this the same
'joseph byrd' as 'joe byrd and the field hippies'?  i *think* i have an lp
called 'joe byrd and the field hippies' that i bought used back in 86 or
so (being a hippie at the time ;).  i haven't listened to it since i
bought it b/c it was too weird for my virgin ears.

whit



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