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From: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com (Zorn List Digest)
To: zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com
Subject: Zorn List Digest V2 #834
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Zorn List Digest Monday, January 17 2000 Volume 02 : Number 834
In this issue:
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Re: [Avant-Garde] Re: kurt's top 9s of 99
Re: yearlists
Re: Mule Variations
Re: yearlists
Napster
The Young Philadelphians
Regarding Tom Waits
Nothing Website Updates
SY on Geffen
Masada and Ornette
Bill Laswell's Jazzonia
Re: Masada and Ornette
Re: Masada and Ornette
Masada... Grrr...
Re: Masada and Ornette
my take on Ornette
Douglas' magic triangle
Re: Bill Laswell's Jazzonia
Re: The Young Philadelphians
toplists for 1999
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Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2000 19:19:12 -0500
From: "Rick Lopez" <bb10k@velocity.net>
Subject: Re: [Avant-Garde] Re: kurt's top 9s of 99
>> All we can do is hope that a few years down the line these people are making
>> music together again! I love them all.
>>
>On this, we agree.
Yeah, you're absolutely right.
I just get tired of hearing about this, mostly because I'm still pissed that
I won't get another 10 discs by that sublime quartet.
Anyway, I'm wiggin' here. Excuse my blurtings, all.
aieee,
Rrrr
Marilyn Crispell, Susie Ibarra, William Parker, Sam Rivers, Matthew Shipp,
David S. Ware, and Reggie Workman Discographies--Samuel Beckett
Eulogy--Baseball & the 10,000 Things--Time Stops--LOVETORN--HARD BOIL--etc.,
at: http://www.velocity.net/~bb10k
UPDATE January 10, 2000:
vids, a few CDs, baseball books, a few Cadence back issues, a few more
CDs...
***Very Various For Sale:
***http://www.velocity.net/~bb10k/4SALE.html
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Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2000 01:25:48 -0500
From: "Caleb T. Deupree" <cdeupree@erinet.com>
Subject: Re: yearlists
At 11:35 PM 1/13/00 -0500, kurt_gottschalk@scni.com wrote:
>
>so as hokey as lists are, i always like to see a little more of who we are.
>anyone want to follow my confessional lead of biggest personal discoveries of
>the year?
My personal quest this year was to find music which is nearly motionless,
which explains why my best-of list didn't have much jazz on it (although I
just acquired the new Polwechsel, which is pretty amazing and has a lot of
drone on it). The biggest discovery in this line is late Cage, the number
pieces in particular. Most of my exposure to Cage prior to this year was
the prepared piano pieces and some of the chance works (the ones where the
titles are timings to the millisecond, playable solo or in combination with
other similar pieces), and while I appreciate these pieces, I'd come to the
conclusion that Cage was more conceptual and seminal than really
interesting to listen to. The number pieces have made me revisit this
assumption, in particular the Ives Ensemble set on Hat and the piano
concertos album on Mode. This in turn has led me to listen to most of the
music from that era with new ears after a long inactive period, especially
including Stockhausen and Feldman.
- --
Caleb Deupree
cdeupree@erinet.com
It is pretty obvious that the debasement of the human mind caused by a
constant flow of fraudulent advertising is no trivial thing. There is more
than one way to conquer a country.
- -- Raymond Chandler
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Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2000 00:25:16 +1100
From: "Julian" <jcurwin@hartingdale.com.au>
Subject: Re: Mule Variations
> *A) That my least fav Tom Waits album ever was such a big hit with
> the
> list.
> *As for his live presentation, I was whelmed.
I know it's cliched to say, but even a not so great Tom Waits album is
still pretty good. And I have heard quite a few of the older ones which are
far surpassed by Mule Variations, but of course that is only my opinion...
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Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2000 09:35:47 EST
From: TagYrIt@aol.com
Subject: Re: yearlists
In a message dated 1/15/00 1:22:17 AM Eastern Standard Time,
cdeupree@erinet.com writes:
<< while I appreciate these pieces, I'd come to the
conclusion that Cage was more conceptual and seminal than really
interesting to listen to. >>
This really struck a familiar chord with me (no pun intended). I've always
thought that Cage was far more interesting to read than actually listen to.
Dale.
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Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2000 07:00:01 -0800 (PST)
From: Peter Risser <knucklehead000@yahoo.com>
Subject: Napster
Okay, so I joined the napster network.
It's neato, I got to say.
In the meantime, I put up some JZ, Masada, Ground Zero
and Naked City stuff. This is stuff I've collected,
just because I want to hear it before I buy it (or not
buy it, as the case may be.) I encourage you to do
the same. If you like it, buy it!
Peter
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Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2000 13:37:37 -0500
From: jls@tonic107.com (John Scott)
Subject: The Young Philadelphians
FYI: The Young Philadelphians will play at Tonic (www.tonic107.com) on Sat,
Jan 29th at 8 & 10:00pm, $14 per set (tickets are now on-sale).
The Young Philadelphians are Marc Ribot, John Zorn, Jamaaladeen Tacuma &
Calvin Weston
- -
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Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2000 15:35:49 -0500
From: Bruce Estey <ilbruce@lynxus.com>
Subject: Regarding Tom Waits
Man.
The guy is just brilliant, all the way around. Sure, he has his moments of
weakness, but he is consistently creative; at least he recycles his own
ideas rather than regurgitating.
A superior showman, a talented arranger/composer, always playing with a
brilliant and creative ensemble.
Marc Ribot has done most of his finest work with Tom Waits over the years.
If you are not as familiar with him as you ought to be, at least think of
him as the John Zorn of the Blues.
(Zorn has some awful outings in his career as well).
If you would like to familiarize yourself, may I suggest the following:
Rent Big Time. Watch it. Watch it again later.
Blue Valentine.
Closing Time (sad, almost countryesque ballads)
Frank's Wild Years
Raindogs
I think the best thing that I ever read regarding Tom sums all of it up
perfectly.
"Tom Waits is best experienced with something in front of it, like an
electrolux. The feeling that is evoked is remarkably similar to walking
down a lonely street on a rainy night and stopping to light a cigarette
under a streetlamp on the corner, suddenly aware of the presence of everyone
who has done the same thing before you."
Enjoy.
Bruce
(ilbruce@lynxus.com)
- -
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Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2000 22:19:25 -0800 (PST)
From: Jason Walton <nothing_grey@yahoo.com>
Subject: Nothing Website Updates
The Nothing website has been updated with news on our
upcoming debut peformance on January 29th in
Minneapolis, as well as more reviews of "Nondescript",
a select discography of Jason William Walton, and a
personnel section, chronicling every contributor to
the Nothing sound.
http://www.crionicmind.org/nothing
JWW
=====
"The Grey Subaudible" out April/May 2000 on Eibon Records.
Nothing
801 University Ave. S.E. #23
Minneapolis, MN 55414
http://www.crionicmind.org/nothing
http://www.thais.it/eibon
__________________________________________________
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Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger.
http://im.yahoo.com
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Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2000 13:05:19 +-100
From: Francesco Vignotto <francesco.v@pn.itnet.it>
Subject: SY on Geffen
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Sorry for returning on an ol thread
I've read on this list that Sonic Youth got booted off Geffen, but I haven't read it anywhere else.
Are you sure?
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Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2000 10:18:43 -0400
From: "Neil H. Enet" <nilugo@usa.net>
Subject: Masada and Ornette
I finally heard MASADA, I bought a copy of LIVE IN PAIPEI and just love it.
I'm a very very new fan of Zorn (it was in fact my best discovery of 1999)
specially since here in Venezuela you can't get any of his records (although
I found this album, I still can't believe it).
Anyway, I understand that MASADA is compared to one Ornette Coleman period.
Which period is that and what records do you recommend?
Thanks
Neil H. Enet
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Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2000 10:18:44 -0400
From: "Neil H. Enet" <nilugo@usa.net>
Subject: Bill Laswell's Jazzonia
What's your opinion on BILL LASWELL'S JAZZONIA?
Thanks
Neil H. Enet
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Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2000 09:22:02 -0500
From: Brian Olewnick <olewnik@idt.net>
Subject: Re: Masada and Ornette
Neil H. Enet wrote:
> Anyway, I understand that MASADA is compared to one Ornette Coleman period.
> Which period is that and what records do you recommend?
Though Masada's been written about as being one part klezmer and one
part early Ornette (1959-62), I've always made a far strong connection
to the Ornette of the late 60's--early 70's, say from 'Crisis' to
'Science Fiction' (my favorite period, fwiw), where the improv is freer
and the heads somewhat earthier.
As to recommendations on Ornette, virtually anything up through 1975 or
so has a good chance of being utterly great; I'd be a bit picky after
that period.
Brian Olewnick
NP: Coltrane, 'Ascension' (great Sunday morning music ;-))
- -
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Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2000 15:01:54 -0500 (EST)
From: Ken Waxman <cj649@freenet.toronto.on.ca>
Subject: Re: Masada and Ornette
Ornette's original quartet with Don Cherry (trumpet).
Recs:
all Atlantic (now distributed by Rhino)
The Shape of Jazz To Come
This Is Our Music
Change Of the Century
Ornette!
Ornette On Tenor
all (plus more) are on the Atlantic/Rhino box: Beauty Is A Rare Thing
Ken Waxman
On Sun, 16 Jan 2000, Neil H. Enet wrote:
> Anyway, I understand that MASADA is compared to one Ornette Coleman period.
> Which period is that and what records do you recommend?
- -
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Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2000 15:09:27 -0800
From: Rick H <ajirons@uswest.net>
Subject: Masada... Grrr...
Hello again.
There's a lot I've recieved on this list that I want to
respond to when I get the time.
In the mean time, I just picked up Masada #4 (Damn, the
guy's like a drug, I have blown some serious amounts of cash
in the last month on this music) which is a beautiful work
of art (yeah... begging that question again hehe).
BUT.... I can only listen to it on my cheap Discman. My
real sound system has a problem grabbing the CD to spin it,
I think because of the material covering it. It's
frustrating, I want to get the full effect of this music and
can't. Anyone else have similar problems?
Rick
P.S. A friend in Canada (Vancouver) found copies of both
News for Lulu and News For Lulu Two. An early birthday
gift, can't wait to listen to it.
- -
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Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2000 22:29:27 GMT
From: "Scott Handley" <c123018@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Masada and Ornette
>From: Ken Waxman <cj649@freenet.toronto.on.ca>
>all Atlantic (now distributed by Rhino)
>
>The Shape of Jazz To Come
>This Is Our Music
>Change Of the Century
>Ornette!
>Ornette On Tenor
>
>all (plus more) are on the Atlantic/Rhino box: Beauty Is A Rare Thing
These are sound, I second this. If anyone's mentioned the two albums of
trio music live at the Golden Circle, Stockholm, I think that's late
Sixties, and they're both outstanding. Neither comes with the Atlantic set
(both on Blue Note). I think LOVE CALL is great, but at least a few folks
on this list disagree.
SHAPE OF JAZZ... is, to me, the one essential one to get, with FREE JAZZ;
but both only beat out the Stocholm trio stuff by a nose and then some.
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Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2000 17:44:20 EST
From: JonAbbey2@aol.com
Subject: my take on Ornette
well, I'm not as huge a fan of Ornette as many others are, so bear that in
mind.
the early quartet material collected on Beauty is A Rare Thing deserves all
the hype that it's collected over the years. I've never been as big a fan of
Free Jazz as others. some of my favorite stuff is the mid-sixties trio with
David Izenson and Charles Moffett, as captured on most of the ESP release and
on a Japanese Arista Freedom CD titled An Evening With Ornette Coleman. I
think this latter one has been reissued in some other form; it's from 1965.
honestly, after that, I think everything else I've ever heard (which is most
of it) seems to me to be an attempt to recapture the excitement of those
early sixties sides. I don't think any of it is entirely successful. it must
be hard to set the bar so high at the start of your career.
just my opinion, nothing more.
Jon
www.erstwhilerecords.com
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Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2000 11:03:41 +0100 (MET)
From: Emmanouil Papagiannakis <papagian@nat.vu.nl>
Subject: Douglas' magic triangle
Can someone please comment on that D.D. release?
thanks
manolis
ps: any news of Euro-dates of Masada? www.eln.it/saudades lists only two in
Italy, but it seems that on 25 of January Masada play London as well.
- -
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Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2000 12:49:02 +0100
From: Stephen Fruitman <stephen.fruitman@idehist.umu.se>
Subject: Re: Bill Laswell's Jazzonia
>What's your opinion on BILL LASWELL'S JAZZONIA?
Let=B4s put it this way: Every single time I have a guest over out the house
and I play _Jazzonia_ softly in the background, they ask, "What _is_ this
great record?" If I had a CD burner I could just churn out copies for folks
- - "ordinary folks", so to speak, not jazzaholics or "experts" like us. ;-)
Universally appealing, quite simply. Stephen
- ---------------------
Bj=F6rn Olsson,
Inst. f=F6r id=E9historia,
Ume=E5 universitet
901 87 Ume=E5
tel. 090-7867982 fax 143374
e-post: bjorn.olsson@idehist.umu.se
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Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2000 08:59:10 -0800
From: The Hodgsons <thehodgsons@home.com>
Subject: Re: The Young Philadelphians
John Scott wrote:
>
> FYI: The Young Philadelphians will play at Tonic (www.tonic107.com) on Sat,
> Jan 29th at 8 & 10:00pm, $14 per set (tickets are now on-sale).
>
> The Young Philadelphians are Marc Ribot, John Zorn, Jamaaladeen Tacuma &
> Calvin Weston
>
> -
If anyone is planning on taping this or knows someone who is I would
love to hear this group. I have lots to trade so would they please let
me know.
thanx,
Dwayne
http:///www.webspawner.com/users/nuttsac
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Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2000 15:29:50 +0200
From: "Jeroen de Boer" <J.T.de.Boer@let.rug.nl>
Subject: toplists for 1999
Hi all,
Because of some spare time this weekend I sat down in front of my
cd-collection and compiled my top 10 list for 1999. After finishing
the music part I continued with literature and film. Finally I also
made a "What do I want for 2000 list?".
It was the first time in my life I did this, and I must say that
everyone should do this once a year. It puts your life in perspective
and more or less lets you go through forgotten memories and emotions
again.
As for more of you my selections aren't all released in '99. The
lists also contain albums, films etc from previous years, but more me
these are personal revelations.
- ---------------------------------------------------------------------
ALBUMS:
Boulez conducts Ligeti - Concerts for Cello, Violin and Piano
Sony 1994 429 808-2
Jake Mandell - The Placekick EP
Carpark Records 1999 CRPK CD1
Masada - Live in Middelheim
Tzadik 1999 TZ 7326
Mike Frengel - New Music Compositions (CD-R)
including his pricewinning composition 'Long Slender Heels', which
is featured on the following compilation album:
Sonic Circuits VII
Innova 1999 Innova 116
The Dillinger Escape Plan - Calculating Infinity
Relapse Records 1999 RR 6427-2
Rodrigo Sigal - Manifiesto (electro-acoustic compositions)
CIEM 1998 CIEM 006
Dave Douglas - Songs for Wandering Souls
Winter & Winter Artist Edition 910 042-2
Rainer Buerck - Without Fear (electro-acoustic compositions)
Earsay Productions 1999 es 99001
Death - The Sound of Perseverance
Nuclear Blast 1998 27361 63372
Yoshinori Sunahara - Pan Am The Sound of the 70's
Bungalow Records 1999 Bung 070.1
Eric Cordier, Jean Luc Guionnet and Eric La Casa - Influx Afflux
(CD-R)
compilation of time/situation based electro-acoustic compositions,
broadcasted on French, Dutch and German radio.
sacem 1999
- ---------------------------------------------------------------------
LIVE CONCERTS:
ICP Orchestra - Jazz Bicycle Tour 1999
Pachora - Grand Theatre, Groningen 1999
Open Electronic Festival Impro Night (Jon Rose, Miya Masaoka, David
Shea, Gert Jan Prins, Luc Houtkamp, Eugene Chadbourne) - Groningen
1999
Mondriaan String Quartet playing Cat 'O Nine Tails - Jazz Bicycle
Tour 1999
John Zorn Ensemble - Nighttown, Rotterdam 1999
Evan Parker/Joel Ryan - Open Electronic Festival 1999
- ---------------------------------------------------------------------
MOVIES:
Following - Christopher Nolan
Buffalow '66 - Vincent Gallo
Seul Contre Tous - Gaspar Noe
Allee der Kosmonauten - Sasha Waltz
Toto che visse due votte - Daniele Cipri, Franco Maresco
Music Video's of Chris Cunningham - compilation program Rotterdam
Film Festival (ao Autechre - Second Bad Vibel, Aphex Twin - Come to
Daddy & Windowlicker, Squarepusher - Come on my Selector)
Festen - Thomas Vinterberg
Winhorse - Paul Wagner
The Opposite of Sex - Don Roos
Gadjo Dilo - Tony Gatlif
- ---------------------------------------------------------------------
LITERATURE
Discovering the work of Paul Auster: especially Mr. Vertigo and
Music of Chance
Arthur Danto - After the End of Art
Noell Carroll - Philosophy of Art
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INTERNET
www.rhizome.org
http://homestudio.thing.net/
www.potatoland.org
- ---------------------------------------------------------------------
2000 Wishlist
Prelapse touring with The Dillinger Escape Plan
Reunion of Naked City
Recognition of Jake Mandell
Death's Chuck Chuldiner recovers from cancer
More in-debt discussions on zornlist: like the aesthetics-thread of
1.5 years ago!!
Best wishes,
Jeroen
- --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Jeroen de Boer
co-initiator Cyberslag Foundation
music director Open Electronic Festival
Munnekeholm 10
9711JA Groningen, The Netherlands
tel. 031 (0)503637513
fax. 031 (0)503632209
J.T.de.Boer@let.rug.nl
usva-th1@bureau.rug.nl
url: http://www.cyberslag.com
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