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Subject: Zorn List Digest V2 #788
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Zorn List Digest Friday, November 12 1999 Volume 02 : Number 788
In this issue:
-
more Yusef
Re: Mr. Silly Lounge Act
don byron
Re: Mr. Silly Lounge Act
Re: Mr. Silly Lounge Act
RE: masada @ middleheim
lmc + kath bloom
words & music; was re: lmc
words & music
Re: words & music
Re: Mr. Silly Lounge Act
Re: Mr. Silly Lounge Act... no!
Marclay in Chicago?
italian sonora into english (thanks to alta vista)
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Date: Thu, 11 Nov 1999 21:01:29 -0800
From: David Slusser <slusser@pixar.com>
Subject: more Yusef
(by way of Zorn content - he digs Lateef)
Ken Waxman's thumbnail sketch of Yusef Lateef was right on. The work in
question, "Part of the Search", was produced by Joel Dorn at Atlantic. He's
the one responsible for the adventurous production. Like many records of the
time (early '70s), it was a concept album; in this case a musical autobiography
of the diverse Mr. Lateef. If I remember correctly, it begins with tuning a
radio dial through old time static to land on a swing number, paralleling
Yusef's early big band experiences. It continues with roadhouse R&B and
other facets of his career, including an exquisite flute piece with subtle
ambient sound effects that always reminded me of a waking dream. At one
point Yusef or someone mumbles "get that dog outta heah". The original
cover had an old radio surrounded by cut out images of Lateef at various
stages in his career. The back was one large photo of white styrofoam
mannequin heads wearing sunglasses in a field of blue.
Another I'd recommend is the record he put out about 15 years ago when
he returned from studying in Africa, but the name escape me.
- -
------------------------------
Date: Fri, 12 Nov 1999 02:03:00 -0600
From: King Wilson <kingwil@enteract.com>
Subject: Re: Mr. Silly Lounge Act
>The lone bright spot was Travolta. This song rocked, and the place was going
>wild. They had a great crowd response for this song. They did play another
>song
>from the first album, My Ass Is On Fire, but it was such a shitty disco lounge
>fucked up version of the song, I don't want to talk about it.
>Gary
In response to this post (and so that no one skips this show because they
heard bad things about it ),
I'd just like to say that I that Gary is absolutely nuts (about this band).
I've seen both of their recent shows in Chicago, and I havn't had such a
fun time watching a band in a long time. Thier new album is probably the
best thing I've heard in the last few years, and I seem to be able to
listen to it multiple times a day, which is my exact experience with their
first album, for the first few years it was out.
Their new, live version of My Ass Is On Fire (if it's the same one I've
heard. It probably is, and I've seen it played twice now) could hardly be
described as "disco lounge". Maybe Gary was just in a bad mood when he saw
the show.
I think I disagree with every single sentence of Gary's post (except the
obvious ones)....
- -
------------------------------
Date: Fri, 12 Nov 1999 19:38:57 +1100
From: "Julian" <jcurwin@hartingdale.com.au>
Subject: don byron
Can anyone give me any information on the "modern classical chamber
ensemble" which is occasionally mentioned in relation to Don Byron? Do they
play live, are they recording, who is in it, etc.?
- -
------------------------------
Date: Fri, 12 Nov 1999 05:49:46 -0800 (PST)
From: Jason Walton <nothing_grey@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Mr. Silly Lounge Act
I agree, "california" is a brilliant album, and I saw
them twice on this tour and they were amazing..
Jason Walton
> In response to this post (and so that no one skips
> this show because they
> heard bad things about it ),
> I'd just like to say that I that Gary is absolutely
> nuts (about this band).
>
> I've seen both of their recent shows in Chicago,
> and I havn't had such a
> fun time watching a band in a long time. Thier new
> album is probably the
> best thing I've heard in the last few years, and I
> seem to be able to
> listen to it multiple times a day, which is my exact
> experience with their
> first album, for the first few years it was out.
>
> Their new, live version of My Ass Is On Fire (if
> it's the same one I've
> heard. It probably is, and I've seen it played
> twice now) could hardly be
> described as "disco lounge". Maybe Gary was just in
> a bad mood when he saw
> the show.
>
> I think I disagree with every single sentence of
> Gary's post (except the
> obvious ones)....
>
>
>
> -
>
>
=====
Nothing
801 University Ave. S.E. #23
Minneapolis, MN 55414
Nothing_grey@yahoo.com
http://www.crionicmind.org/nothing
http://www.thais.it/eibon
__________________________________________________
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Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com
- -
------------------------------
Date: Fri, 12 Nov 1999 10:32:39 -0500
From: "Zachary J. Griffin" <zgriffin@iconn.net>
Subject: Re: Mr. Silly Lounge Act
The only things close to bad I have to say about the "California" CD is
that it took me two listenings before I decided I liked it. I saw the
show in New Haven, CT saturday night and thought it was one of the best
shows of the year. Before the night was out I heard at least a little
bit of rock, jazz, country, far-east rhythms, klezmer, metal,
orchestral, hip-hop, noise, Dario Argento horror moive music, and a few
musical languages that I am not familiar with.
Zach Griffin
Jason Walton wrote:
> I agree, "california" is a brilliant album, and I saw
> them twice on this tour and they were amazing..
>
> Jason Walton
>
> > In response to this post (and so that no one skips
> > this show because they
> > heard bad things about it ),
> > I'd just like to say that I that Gary is absolutely
> > nuts (about this band).
> >
> > I've seen both of their recent shows in Chicago,
> > and I havn't had such a
> > fun time watching a band in a long time. Thier new
> > album is probably the
> > best thing I've heard in the last few years, and I
> > seem to be able to
> > listen to it multiple times a day, which is my exact
> > experience with their
> > first album, for the first few years it was out.
> >
> > Their new, live version of My Ass Is On Fire (if
> > it's the same one I've
> > heard. It probably is, and I've seen it played
> > twice now) could hardly be
> > described as "disco lounge". Maybe Gary was just in
> > a bad mood when he saw
> > the show.
> >
> > I think I disagree with every single sentence of
> > Gary's post (except the
> > obvious ones)....
> >
> >
> >
> > -
> >
> >
>
> =====
> Nothing
> 801 University Ave. S.E. #23
> Minneapolis, MN 55414
> Nothing_grey@yahoo.com
> http://www.crionicmind.org/nothing
> http://www.thais.it/eibon
> __________________________________________________
> Do You Yahoo!?
> Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com
>
> -
- -
------------------------------
Date: Fri, 12 Nov 1999 17:03:23 +0100
From: "Rob Allaert" <rob.allaert@charity.nu>
Subject: RE: masada @ middleheim
does any1 have any details about this show? i know it was in october, but=
an
exact date would b helpful.
It was August 15, 1999
Songs on the Tzadik release:
Nevuah (M7)
Sippur (Issachar)
Hath-Arob (M7)
Kedushah (M9)
Ne'eman (M8)
Karet (M9)
Kochot (M9)
Piram (M2)
Paran (M5)
Ashnah (M1)
Tahah (M1)
No 2CD as this live series was first announced
RoB - Belgium
ICQ #18906168
=A0
Buy a nice book or CD and support me! Follow this link to FrontStage and
I will get a special bonus on all your orders. I recommend FrontStage,
visit them soon. Thanks!
http://www.frontstage.com/rob
- -
------------------------------
Date: Fri, 12 Nov 99 12:31:37 -0500
From: kurt_gottschalk@scni.com
Subject: lmc + kath bloom
Lupold asks:
Are you talking about the "Moonlight" LMC did with Kath Bloom and =
Robert Crotty (St. Joan 3)? I didn't know that one was out on CD. Kinda =
makes me wish I hadn't made a CD-r of my LP.
yeah, that's the one. or at least that's the woman. i'm not sure there was a 3rd
on it, however. reviews? i'm not usually a big fan of vocal music, at least not
using words i understand.
- -
------------------------------
Date: Fri, 12 Nov 1999 14:10:14 -0500
From: brian_olewnick@smtplink.mssm.edu
Subject: words & music; was re: lmc
Kurt opined:
>i'm not usually a big fan of vocal music, at least not
>using words i understand.
It's funny; I'm often "accused" by pop-loving friends of never listening to any
vocal music, always just this bizarre instrumental stuff (as if, by the very
fact that it's instrumental, it's bizarre). This is entirely untrue, of course,
but I certainly do tend to shy away from much English language song-oriented
work for several reasons. Two obvious ones would be a) crappy music and b)
crappy singers. But a strong third reason is the fact that 99.x % of word-filled
songs contain lyrics of stunning banality and inanity. I'm no more interested in
devoting consideration to them than I am in picking up a John Grisham novel, and
I'm physically unable to just ignore them.
However, I happily while away the hours listening to folk and pop music from
Madagascar, Viet Nam or China. It's certainly occurred to me that, in all
likelihood, these vocalizations that I'm content to perceive as abstract musical
fragments actually contain meaning that's as sappy as anything spewed out by
Brittany Spears, but I'm blissfully ignorant of it! Sometimes, in fact, when the
language is semi-familiar enough that I can begin to parse out some meaning
(like, say, Brazilian), I grow a bit uneasy--too many 'corazons' and 'saudades'
in that one!
If only I could teach myself to turn off my understanding of English whenever
desired....
Brian Olewnick
- -
------------------------------
Date: Fri, 12 Nov 99 14:52:46 -0500
From: kurt_gottschalk@scni.com
Subject: words & music
It's certainly occurred to Brian that:
in all likelihood, these vocalizations that I'm content to perceive as abstract
musical fragments actually contain meaning that's as sappy as anything spewed
out by Brittany Spears, but I'm blissfully ignorant of it!
It's true, oh god, it's true...
I've become even a bigger Haino fan after this last spate of perfs, but I've oft
wondered if I would like him as much if I could understand the lyrics. I don't
think I would. When I read the translations, they're interesting, but I'm sure
glad I can put them back and forget about them. O'Rourke, too. I love Eureka,
and I probably agree that women of the world (should) take over, because if
(they) don't the world will come to an end, and it won't take long. But I feel
so dragged into specificity hearing it every time.
On the other hand, I could swing my mug and sing George Jones and Syd Barret all
night long. Musically, however, G and S they don't invite the same kind of
attention.
Instrumental/non-English songs can mean whatever you want (kinda), or mean
nothing specific and realworld at all, which is what I like music to be. But if
you're gonna put on Talking Heads, you really have to be in the mood to hang out
with David Byrne for the next 40 minutes.
- -
------------------------------
Date: Fri, 12 Nov 1999 11:58:18 -0800
From: "Patrice L. Roussel" <proussel@ichips.intel.com>
Subject: Re: words & music
On Fri, 12 Nov 99 14:52:46 -0500 kurt_gottschalk@scni.com wrote:
>
> I've become even a bigger Haino fan after this last spate of perfs, but I've oft
> wondered if I would like him as much if I could understand the lyrics. I don't
> think I would. When I read the translations, they're interesting, but I'm sure
> glad I can put them back and forget about them. O'Rourke, too. I love Eureka,
> and I probably agree that women of the world (should) take over, because if
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
I had to protect myself by moving to the bar before Jim started to sing this
(in my mind) awful song... whose low imagination content does not justify the
repetition at nauseum (or maybe Jim is proud to have written what he thinks is
a hit he could sing in duo with Baby Spice :-).
Patrice (still trying to recover from the Nobukazu Takemura fantastic
performance).
- -
------------------------------
Date: Fri, 12 Nov 1999 15:15:59 -0500
From: Gary/Cheri Gettier <openmind@erols.com>
Subject: Re: Mr. Silly Lounge Act
King Wilson wrote:
>
> >The lone bright spot was Travolta. This song rocked, and the place was going
> >wild. They had a great crowd response for this song. They did play another
> >song
> >from the first album, My Ass Is On Fire, but it was such a shitty disco lounge
> >fucked up version of the song, I don't want to talk about it.
>
> >Gary
>
> In response to this post (and so that no one skips this show because they
> heard bad things about it ),
> I'd just like to say that I that Gary is absolutely nuts (about this band).
>
> I've seen both of their recent shows in Chicago, and I havn't had such a
> fun time watching a band in a long time. Thier new album is probably the
> best thing I've heard in the last few years, and I seem to be able to
> listen to it multiple times a day, which is my exact experience with their
> first album, for the first few years it was out.
>
> Their new, live version of My Ass Is On Fire (if it's the same one I've
> heard. It probably is, and I've seen it played twice now) could hardly be
> described as "disco lounge". Maybe Gary was just in a bad mood when he saw
> the show.
>
> I think I disagree with every single sentence of Gary's post (except the
> obvious ones)....
>
> -
It just seems to me that this band is just like any ordinary band now. They
look like rock stars. When I saw
them a few years ago, Mike Patton never interfaced with the crowd. No pumping
up the crowd non-sense. He was all into that this show. The band used to be
mysterious, outlandish, and nuts. They were unlike anything I have ever seen.
They used to wear masks to hide their identities. If I had not seem them
several years ago, I would not have been as disappointed this time.
I wasn't in a bad mood. The band just changed too much for me.
Gary
- --
- ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
Gary M. Gettier openmind@erols.com
"No concept man forms is valid unless he integrates it without contradiction
into the sum of his knowledge." - Ayn Rand
- -
------------------------------
Date: Fri, 12 Nov 1999 14:11:59 -0500
From: Diego Gruber <dgruber@uio.satnet.net>
Subject: Re: Mr. Silly Lounge Act... no!
>
> I think I disagree with every single sentence of Gary's post (except the
> obvious ones)....
And I have to agree with every single sentence on King Wilson's post. i
recently saw 3 Mr. Bungle shows and they were all amazing experiences,
the band is talented and fun, and California is definitely among the
best records (certainly my favorite) i've heard in my whole life.
That version of My ass is on fire is amazing, as are their performances
on all of their own songs and covers. I don't think any song off isco
Volante is "crappy". But of course, there's always someone screaming at
the band for Girls of Porn.
I wouldn't be mislead by Gary's comments either, Mr. Bungle is great!
D
- -
------------------------------
Date: Fri, 12 Nov 1999 18:11:16 -0600
From: King Wilson <kingwil@enteract.com>
Subject: Marclay in Chicago?
a few weeks back, I remember someone mentioned that Christian Marclay was
going to be playing in Chicago sometime soon. Does anyone have any more
info on this? I havn't seen his name mentioned in any of the local
rags.....
- -
------------------------------
Date: Fri, 12 Nov 1999 21:27:04 EST
From: Orangejazz@aol.com
Subject: italian sonora into english (thanks to alta vista)
DIRECTIONS OF THE SOUND IN THE CORRIDOR OF THE FEAR DI SAMUEL FULLER
John Zorn, New York, August 1990=20
In the paintings of James Rosenquist, the colors come spread on one burlap=20
covered from a intrico of adhesive tape from whitewasher. When they come=20
detached, the strisce of tape they remove elements of the superficial ones o=
f=20
the image and consequently ne it exits transformed the intrinsic quality of=20
the work.
&emdash;That that immette in own opera=C9 &emdash;the That that is removed f=
rom=20
the own one opera=C9=20
In the case of the sonorous ideas of Fuller for the corridor of the fear,=20
more it would be appropriated to say: =ABThat that it is chosen not to=20
immettere in the own work defines the intentions=BB.
In the cinema the truth is magic. Such magic is one menzogna.
A series of firm images comes projected for giving the illusion of the=20
movement and, ponendole in sequence and montandole, history can be suggested=
=20
one; analogous, also the sonorous one of the film can be used for ingannarci=
.
All sonorous the cinematographic one is created to made things, in an=20
isolated atmosphere. Dialogue. Sonorous effects. Music. Here the three=20
essential elements of the art of the sonorous one in the world of the cinema=
.=20
The customary procedure involves one complex simultaneous stratification of=20
those three elements: the dialogue comes place to the center of our=20
attention, the sonorous effects is inserted in order to confer ulterior=20
realism and, finally, music is employed in order to create atmosphere and to=
=20
intensify the emotions. With an appropriated dosage the three elements, the=20
menzogna it is complete. In the Corridor of the fear, Fuller has decided of=20
sottrarsi to the game of the menzogna hollywoodiana and she shoots in face=20
the truth to us raw knot and, without average terms.
In that film it is not tried in some way to create an atmosphere of=20
=ABnormal=BBcinematographic truth. Neither it is tried minimally of indurv=
i=20
believing to the menzogna of Hollywood. To the contrary, the sonorous one is=
=20
used in that case like a brechtiano element, face to emphasize and to=20
punctuate one series of dramatic situations. The study of the rumorista is=20
perhaps, for excellence, the crucial place in which come give birth menzogna=
=20
cinematographic &endash;the sonorous atmosphere stratification, foundations,=
=20
noises of steps, to ustle of dresses and of varied sonorous effects=20
&endash;and is here that the corridor of the fear occupies a place to=20
himself, even regarding the greater part of the films that compose the=20
pantheon personal of Fuller. Not there are fronzoli. Least atmosphere noises=
.
On the screen we see someone that it walks. We know that someone walks: it=20
comes to us shown, can be seen. It is not therefore a redundancy to add the=20
noise that they make the steps on the ground? Is not more one distraction=20
that an aid? Fuller just chooses to make to only concentrate our attention o=
n=20
that she imports more. Often we enter in the mind of the personage in=20
Association of Bologna and whichever other sound comes closed outside.=20
Sometimes we come left single with the inner dialogue, other times with the=20
single music, like in the case of When Johnny Comes Marching Home Again of=20
the colonel Stuart or operistiche airs of Clowns.
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