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Zorn List Digest Wednesday, October 20 1999 Volume 02 : Number 778
In this issue:
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Re: Experimental segregation
Re: RUINS in SF this Sunday!
winter & winter (no zorn)
Re: winter & winter (no zorn)
RE: Experimental segregation
new Songlines releases
Re: winter & winter (no zorn)
Re: Zorn Ensemble European tournee ?
Re: Zorn Ensemble European tournee ?
Re: Experimental segregation
ZORN-LIST Notice: Server Change
Re: Experimental segregation
Re: Experimental segregation
Re: RUINS in SF this Sunday!
Re: Zorn Ensemble European tournee ?
Chicago Cobra time
zorn in europe
Used CDs for sale
Thomas Chapin - Alive box set
RE: RUINS in SF this Sunday!
Re: Experimental segregation
CHAPIN ~
Bklyn Composers Orch at the Brecht
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Date: Tue, 19 Oct 1999 14:20:25 -0500
From: James Hale <jhale@sympatico.ca>
Subject: Re: Experimental segregation
Ken Waxman wrote:
> Now there are those who would say what those musicians and others play
> isn't really "jazz" and thus should be in another section. However work
> by Leo Smith, Anthony Braxton, Roscoe Mitchell, Cecil Taylor and others,
> who are also a bit removed from the jazz tradition is still kept in the
> "jazz" section.
In a recent conversation, Dave Douglas said that he really doesn't like
to refer to the bulk of his work (the quartet recordings aside) as jazz.
The best thing to do would just be to do away with classifications and
file an entire store alphabetically.
James Hale
- -
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Date: Tue, 19 Oct 1999 14:45:51 -0400
From: jls@tonic107.com (John Scott)
Subject: Re: RUINS in SF this Sunday!
Ruins are playing in NYC at Tonic tomorrow night!
Wed, Oct 20 Ruins at 10:00pm, $12 ($10 in advance)...
- -
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Date: Tue, 19 Oct 1999 12:13:13 -0700
From: Martin_Wisckol@link.freedom.com (Martin Wisckol)
Subject: winter & winter (no zorn)
anybody have a web address for winter & winter records? thanks.
- -
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Date: Tue, 19 Oct 1999 15:26:48 -0500
From: James Hale <jhale@sympatico.ca>
Subject: Re: winter & winter (no zorn)
Martin Wisckol wrote:
>
> anybody have a web address for winter & winter records? thanks.
>
> -
Nothing is listed, but their e-mail is WinterProduction@compuserve.com
- -
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Date: Tue, 19 Oct 1999 16:39:03 -0300
From: Linares Hugo <hulinare@bemberg.com.ar>
Subject: RE: Experimental segregation
> world). As is usually the case, the stores are likely responding to the
> predilections of their customers, racially based as those might be, when
> they
> put Brotzmann in one section and Taylor in another. There are many music
> consumers (no-one on this list, of course!) who enjoy experimental music
>
>
>
Though I know many Americans have grown up in the middle of pure
racism, I must admit that from my "Latin American" (?) point of view it's
hard to believe these kind of situation can happen nowadays.
Actually, off topic (or not), I had the fortune of being
contemporary with the great Astor Piazzola, and I'm proud of it.
Then I wonder if most of (white) Americans are still proud of being
contemporary with Miles Davis, John Coltrane, Cecil Taylor, etc (regarding
the fame and respect they have worldwide) or they aren't.
Just a question.
Hugo
- -
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Date: Tue, 19 Oct 1999 13:05:16 -0700
From: Tony Reif <treif@songlines.com>
Subject: new Songlines releases
"...the Vancouver based label whose astonishingly high level output is
expanding the boundaries of new jazz." - Andy Hamilton, The Wire
New CDs by Jerry Granelli, Mark Nodwell and Junk Genius are now out:
JERRY GRANELLI & BADLANDS, Crowd Theory (SGL 1526-2)
Drummer/bandleader Granelli has had several very well received 90s releases
on Intuition, including two by his dual-guitar band UFB. This is the second
Songlines CD by his septet of young downtown NY improvisers (Chris Speed,
Briggan Krauss, Peter Epstein, reeds; Curtis Hasselbring, trombone/guitar;
Jamie Saft, piano/organ/slide guitar; and J. Anthony Granelli, bass) - a
record full of character, deep groove, and relaxed intensity. The program,
all original tunes by Granelli and band members, ranges across and beyond
jazz territory to include avant-funk, a dark tango, an ambient-meets-Sun Ra
sort of piece, and a breezy homage to Monsieur Hulot.
"Ageless traps vet Jerry Granelli has bonded with his edgy young Badlands
septet for another essay in spontaneous combustion....Brims with energy and
incident, including excellent work from [the] reed men. There are longeurs
and squiggly bits here and there, but that is overcome by a surfeit of
strong material, particularly from the leader's pen. In particular his
tuneful 'Tango' should turn many heads."
- - Billboard
Previous release:
Jerry Granelli & Badlands, Enter, a Dragon (SGL 1521-2)
"If quality was the only criterion, Granelli's small, select output would
have earned him a place among the leading contemporary jazz
players....Comparisons have been made with master drummer Paul Motian for
subtlety and sensitivity, but Motian hasn't attempted anything as ambitious
as Granelli's compositions."
- - The Wire
Related releases:
Chris Speed, Deviantics (SGL 1524-2) and Yeah No (SGL 1517-2)
Human Feel, Speak to It (SGL 1514-2) featuring Chris Speed
Brad Shepik & the Commuters, The Loan (SGL 1518-2) featuring Peter Epstein
BABKAS, Fratelli (SGL 1513-2), Ants to the Moon (SGL 1505-2), and
BABKAS (SGL 1502-2), featuring Briggan Krauss
MARK NODWELL, (co)incidents (SGL 1527-2)
=46or his debut CD, Vancouver soprano saxist Nodwell has assembled a fine
international sextet, including jazz/improv string player Eyvind Kang (here
on viola), clarinetist Fran=E7ois Houle, and NY guitarist Khabu Doug Young.
His four expansive compositions, all played with a searing lyricism, shift
from lush textures to driving solos and ensembles to raucous free-for-alls.
The stylistic diversity draws upon Eastern European and Asian musics as
well as rock, ambient, and contemporary classical, and the interplay of
elements and musicians evokes vivid images in sound: "...weaves together
composition and improvisation with an extraordinary power." - Vancouver
Courier.
Related releases:
=46ran=E7ois Houle 5, In the Vernacular (SGL 1522-2)
=46ran=E7ois Houle and Beno=EEt Delbecq, Nancali (SGL 1519-2)
=46ran=E7ois Houle Et Cetera, Hacienda (SGL 1501-2)
JUNK GENIUS (Ben Goldberg/John Schott/Trevor Dunn/Kenny Wollesen), Ghost of
Electricity (SGL 1525-2)
Junk Genius's first record (on Knitting Factory) consisted of fractured,
go-for-broke treatments of difficult bebop compositions, and earned them
high praise. Five years later they return with a different focus: original
songs that sound as if they'd come from old field recordings, recovered
artifacts inspiring a new oral tradition. Through hymns, stomps, hollers,
and anarchic strum-alongs, Junk Genius trace the border regions between
alternative jazz, improvisation, and the primal music of Dock Boggs, Son
House, the Carter Family, and the Georgia Sea Islands. Ben Goldberg
(clarinet), John Schott (guitars), Trevor Dunn (bass), and Kenny Wollesen
(drums) play as one - and are beautifully recorded (in analogue, mixed to
24 bits/88.2 KHz and HDCD encoded). But this is no exercise in nostalgia:
while it may move the listener with the reverence of its melodies, the
rhythmic feel is dynamic and unsettling and the overall tone of the record
both liberating and tragic.
Related releases:
Marty Ehrlich and Ben Goldberg, Light at the Crossroads (SGL 1511-2),
featuring Trevor Dunn and Kenny Wollesen
Andy Laster, Interpretations of Lessness (SGL 1515-2), featuring Kenny Wolle=
sen
Brad Shepik & the Commuters, The Loan (SGL 1518-2), featuring Kenny Wollesen
=46or further information please contact:
Tony Reif
Songlines Recordings
1003 - 2323 W. 2nd Ave.
Vancouver, B.C. V6K 1J4, Canada
Tel (604) 737-1632 * fax 737-1678
treif@songlines.com
www.songlines.com
Distributed in the U.S. and Canada by Allegro
Tony Reif (Songlines Recordings)
- -
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Date: Tue, 19 Oct 1999 20:18:47 GMT
From: "Scott Handley" <c123018@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: winter & winter (no zorn)
Speaking of which, I noticed a FULL BACK COVER AD for W&W on this month's
downbeat magazine. Right on!!! Beautiful ad too, appeals to my Omnivore
Music Collector Fetishism---makes me want to spend all my $.
;->
- --s
______________________________________________________
Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com
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Date: Tue, 19 Oct 1999 22:35:31 CEST
From: "Andreas Dietz" <andreasdietz@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Zorn Ensemble European tournee ?
>From: Yves Dewulf <yves@inwpent1.rug.ac.be>
>
>The Saudades agency mentions a tour of the John Zorn Ensemble
>in Europe, fall 1999:
> http://www.ejn.it/concerts/zonernes.htm
>
>Does someone know more about this ? What ensemble is this ?
>Cobra? Chamber Music ? Circle Maker ?
>
>The dates are:
> 16-11-99 Roma
> 17-11-99 Antwerp
> 18-11-99 Madrid
> 19-11-99 Coimbra
> 20-11-99 Wien
>
>YVes
>
The Lineup is:
John Zorn - sax (announced, but I think he┤ll only put the chairs for the
musicians...?)
Jennifer Choi - violin
Erik Friedlander - cello
Stephen Drury - piano
William Winant - percussion
Andreas Dietz
______________________________________________________
Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com
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Date: Tue, 19 Oct 1999 17:02:16 -0400
From: Mike Chamberlain <mikec@rocler.qc.ca>
Subject: Re: Zorn Ensemble European tournee ?
>
> >From: Yves Dewulf <yves@inwpent1.rug.ac.be>
> >
> >The Saudades agency mentions a tour of the John Zorn Ensemble
> >in Europe, fall 1999:
> > http://www.ejn.it/concerts/zonernes.htm
> >
> >Does someone know more about this ? What ensemble is this ?
> >Cobra? Chamber Music ? Circle Maker ?
> >
> >The dates are:
> > 16-11-99 Roma
> > 17-11-99 Antwerp
> > 18-11-99 Madrid
> > 19-11-99 Coimbra
> > 20-11-99 Wien
> >
Well, it looks like whoever booked the dates is a circle maker. Seems
strange to go from Rome to Antwerp to Madrid to Coimbra and then back
east to Vienna on successive nights (and Coimbra is not the easiest
place in the world to get to).
- --Mike
- --
Mike Chamberlain
Teacher, Writer, Broadcaster, Father, Farmer, Baseball Fan, Jazz Nerd,
Sumo Nut, Bald Guy
"I used to be disgusted, now I try to be amused."
- -
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Date: Tue, 19 Oct 1999 17:54:39 -0400 (EDT)
From: Ken Waxman <cj649@freenet.toronto.on.ca>
Subject: Re: Experimental segregation
I only picked out those two names because they were the ones I
remembered. Believe me the variety of faces in the pictures on album
covers in those sections were not "yellow" either --and they certainly
weren't Bl;ack.
Ken Waxman
On Tue, 19 Oct 1999, Joseph Zitt wrote:
> On Tue, Oct 19, 1999 at 11:52:42AM -0400, Ken Waxman wrote:
>>
> > The only unifying factor I can see in the two groups is that one of made
> > up of Whites, the other Blacks.
>
> Hmm... are the Ruins and the Boredoms "Whites"?
- -
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Date: Tue, 19 Oct 1999 15:03:47 -0700 (PDT)
From: "m. rizzi" <rizzi@netcom.com>
Subject: ZORN-LIST Notice: Server Change
Tonight (19 Oct 1999 10 PM MDT), the zorn-list's generous
host (xmission.com) is upgrading the server software to Solaris 7.
This may result in a delay of zorn-list messages.
SO, don't panic, stay calm, eat ice cream.
your list manager,
mike rizzi
- --
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"Another nerd with a soulpatch"
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- -
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Date: Tue, 19 Oct 1999 18:20:52 -0400
From: "Rick Lopez" <bb10k@velocity.net>
Subject: Re: Experimental segregation
>
> Then I wonder if most of (white) Americans are still proud of being
>contemporary with Miles Davis, John Coltrane, Cecil Taylor, etc (regarding
>the fame and respect they have worldwide) or they aren't.
>
> Hugo
Most (white & black) Americans don't have any idea who these people are.
- -RL
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David S. Ware, and Reggie Workman Discographies--Samuel Beckett
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at: http://www.velocity.net/~bb10k
UPDATE August 20, 1999:
vids, a few CDs, baseball books, a few Cadence back issues, a few more
CDs...
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- -
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Date: Tue, 19 Oct 1999 18:12:57 -0500
From: Joseph Zitt <jzitt@metatronpress.com>
Subject: Re: Experimental segregation
On Tue, Oct 19, 1999 at 05:54:39PM -0400, Ken Waxman wrote:
> I only picked out those two names because they were the ones I
> remembered. Believe me the variety of faces in the pictures on album
> covers in those sections were not "yellow" either --and they certainly
> weren't Bl;ack.
It's interesting, though, seeing whether one lumps in "non-black" as
"white" or "non-white" as "black" or does something else. I wonder
where they file Jason Hwang and Toshiki Akioshi (now there's someone
I haven't thought of in a dog's age... and probably misspelled...)
- --
|> ~The only thing that is not art is inattention~ --- Marcel Duchamp <|
| jzitt@metatronpress.com http://www.metatronpress.com/jzitt |
| Latest CD: Shekhinah: The Presence http://www.mp3.com/josephzitt |
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- -
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Date: Tue, 19 Oct 1999 16:04:23 -0700
From: ron nishimoto <ronish@artnet.net>
Subject: Re: RUINS in SF this Sunday!
Anybody know what happened to the show that was supposed to be at UCLA this past
weekend?
- -
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Date: Tue, 19 Oct 1999 21:54:59 -0400
From: stephen drury <stevedrury@mindspring.com>
Subject: Re: Zorn Ensemble European tournee ?
At 12:11 PM 10/19/99 -0600, Yves wrote:--
>The Saudades agency mentions a tour of the John Zorn Ensemble
>in Europe, fall 1999:
> http://www.ejn.it/concerts/zonernes.htm
>
>Does someone know more about this ? What ensemble is this ?
Modern chamber music, dude. New piano trio ("L'amor fou"), violin/piano
piece "Le Momo", "Carny", "Music for Children", I think a solo cello piece,
maybe more...
Jenny Choi, Erik Friedlander, William Wynant, and the undersigned.
- --steve
www.stephendrury.com
- -
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Date: Tue, 19 Oct 1999 22:57:53 EDT
From: User384726@aol.com
Subject: Chicago Cobra time
I apologize for forgetting the time on the original post but it is 6:00 P.M.
Hope you all can make it.
Aaron Solomon
- -
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Date: Wed, 20 Oct 1999 10:40:45 +0200
From: "john rust" <johnrust@blinx.de>
Subject: zorn in europe
I beg those who get the first details on the fortrhcoming european dates to
send them either to the list or privately to me... I was looking for a
chance to see Zorn for some years already and always lost the chances. The
last time he was in Poland I was getting ready with my band to play the
important festival gig in Weimar and just couldn't go, although I still
regret it tremendously. I guess I gonna try to make it to Wien (I'm in
Berlin). Any subscribers living there?
john rust
np: The Ex & Tom Cora
"Figs" (Live in Nuernberg)
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Date: Tue, 19 Oct 1999 23:22:23 -0600
From: "Matthew W Wirzbicki (S) " <M_WIRZBICKI@ColoradoCollege.edu>
Subject: Used CDs for sale
I would like to sell the following CDs:
Arcado String Trio - Live in Europe (avant) $12
Chick Corea - Trio Music (ECM)
Mark Dresser - Banquet (TZADIK)
Marty Ehrlich and the Dark Woods Ensemble - Emergency Peace (NEW WORLD)
Marty Ehrlich's Dark Woods Ensemble - Just Before Dawn (NEW WORLD)
Erik Friedlander - Topaz (SIAM)
Bill Frisell - Nashville (Nonesuch)
Fred Frith - Eye to Ear (TZADIK)
Dave Holland Quintet - The Razor's Edge (ECM)
Keith Jarrett - The Cure (ECM)
Keith Jarrett - The Survivor's Suite (ECM)
David Kristian - Cricklewood (alien8)
Evan Lurie - How I spent my summer vacation (TZADIK)
Lussier, Tetreault - Dur Noya Dur (AM) $9
Marc Ribot - Shoe String Symphonettes (TZADIK)
Archie Shepp - Fire Music (impulse)
Spanish Fly - Rags to Britches (Knitting Facotry Works)
James Blood Ulmer - Harmolodic Guitar with Strings (DIW) $12
John Zorn - Bar Kokhba (TZADIK) $16
John Zorn - The Circle Maker (TZADIK) $16
All CD's are $10 unless otherwise marked. The cost of shipping (within the
U.S.) in included
in the price. (Canada = +$1, other countries = +$3). Check, money order,
or cash (at your
own risk of course) are acceptable.
If you want to purchase any of these CDs or if you want additional
information (ie. personel) please
e-mail me at m_wirzbicki@coloradocollege.edu .
Thank You
- -Matt Wirzbicki
- -
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Date: Wed, 20 Oct 1999 07:24:26 -0500 (CDT)
From: Paul Audino <psaudino@interaccess.com>
Subject: Thomas Chapin - Alive box set
Does anyone have any information on the upcoming Thomas Chapin box set
titled _Alive_ set to be released by Knitting Factory Works next month?
Rather unsurprisingly, their web site contains no information about it.
Thanks,
Paul
psaudino@interaccess.com
GROOVE
- ----------
One Nation
- -
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Date: Wed, 20 Oct 1999 06:13:29 -0700 (PDT)
From: sonny shine <fudgepakker@yahoo.com>
Subject: RE: RUINS in SF this Sunday!
woah. yeah. i would be pissed, too. wow.
stupid email server. kick the computer.
son.
- --- "van Osdel, Eric" <evanosdel@meridian-data.com>
wrote:
>
> You want to talk about kicking yourself? I live an
> hour away from San
> Francisco, but I didn't get the message about the
> show until *MONDAY*
> because of Stupid Email Server Tricks. Gah!
>
> Man, was I pissed....
>
> --evo.
>
>
__________________________________________________
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Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com
- -
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Date: Wed, 20 Oct 1999 11:01:07 -0400 (EDT)
From: Ken Waxman <cj649@freenet.toronto.on.ca>
Subject: Re: Experimental segregation
If they're "lucky" oriental jazzers like Toshiko, Sado Watanabe, Kobe
Abe, Francis Wong, Fred Ho and south Asian ones like Vijay Iyer end up in
the jazz section. If not they end up in the "world music" ghetto.
Ken Waxman
On Tue, 19 Oct 1999, Joseph Zitt wrote:
>
> It's interesting, though, seeing whether one lumps in "non-black" as
> "white" or "non-white" as "black" or does something else. I wonder
> where they file Jason Hwang and Toshiki Akioshi (now there's someone
> I haven't thought of in a dog's age... and probably misspelled...
- -
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Date: Wed, 20 Oct 1999 11:47:39 -0800
From: Jason Tors <jtors@organic.com>
Subject: CHAPIN ~
Can someone suggest a good starter album?
thanks!
- -
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Date: Wed, 20 Oct 99 11:34:42 -0500
From: kurt_gottschalk@scni.com
Subject: Bklyn Composers Orch at the Brecht
The Brooklyn Composers Orchestra premier performance
This Saturday, 10/23 at Neues Kabarett at the Brecht Forum.
A new 17-piece ensemble, led by Charles Waters and Chris Jonas, will be
presenting w sets of original works Saturday night, beginning at 8 p.m.
The project is led by reed players Charles Waters and Chris Jonas, both of whom
have honed their big-band chops working with William Parker's Little Huey
Creative Music Orchestra, as well as numerous original and side projects. Waters
and Jonas also play together in the Triple Threat Sextet, who performed over the
summer as a part of the Jump festival. Waters also premiered compositions for
chamber ensemble and dancer at the It's A Vision Thing festival curated by
Patricia Nicholson at the Brecht Forum in June.
Both players' compositions will be featured in this premier performance.
Brooklyn Composer's Orchestra
Oct. 23, 8 p.m. $8
at Neues Kabarett at the Brecht Forum
122 W. 27th St. 10th Fl. (betw. 6th $ 7th Aves)
212.242.4201
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