Subject: Re: Request - help in contacting AVANT recodrs
At 09:24 AM 10/6/99 +1100, Bruno wrote:
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>1. does anybody know how to contact Avant records (an e-mail or WWW would be
>nice) - I've tried to get local record stores to track them down, but they
>have NO idea
No known website for avant specifically, but many of the better online
places stock them, including (at least) Forced Exposure and DMG.
>2. any reccomendations for "the" Naked City albums to track down - I have
>"Torture Garden" & "Naked City" - are they all genius? any better than
>others?
Yes they're all genius. Absinthe is the 'ambient' one, Radio is smaller
groupings, Leng T'che is one long (30 min) and very intense piece (and
probably only available as part of the Torture Garden set on Tzadik at this
point), Grand Guignol is classical music (Messiaen, Lassus, Ives, Scriabin)
plus more like TG, and Heretic is more like rock. Just get them all.
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- -- Raymond Chandler
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Date: Tue, 05 Oct 99 19:39:18 -0500
From: kurt_gottschalk@scni.com
Subject: tired of what the times thinks, but...
Scott, your comments are interesting, and I basically agree. What you might have
missed is that I said "the piece seems to say." I wouldn't put unique strictures
on Jewish artists (although some cultures contain histories which can be
dramatically used if an artist so chooses). The Times piece seems to want to
hold Zorn responsible for something more than an African American playing
klezmer, a Polish Jew playing son or the son of an American missionary
appropriating samba. Zorn, because his background matches his stylings, is
deemed kitschier than Don Byron holding a rubber chicken.
np: The Jam "Start!"
>From: kurt_gottschalk@scni.com
other folks can dabble in
>whatever ethnic musics they want, the piece seems to say, but Jews have a
>special obligation to represent their own culture in a certain way -- even
>if
>that way is never stated
Kurt, pardon if I took your comments out of context, or missed something,
but what makes you think this?
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Date: Wed, 06 Oct 1999 00:42:25 -0400
From: Steve Smith <ssmith36@sprynet.com>
Subject: Re: more on the times
philz wrote:
> I must be incredibly thick, but I don't understand the reaction to this article. Not that I particularly like the article, it's as good or bad as any article that attempt to generalize two artists careers and motivations on one page, but where is the insult, the misrepresentation?
Well, let's see. Consider the following (with my points of emphasis set apart with asterisks):
"The prime architects of the new sensibility are Mr. Zorn, *who now considers himself a Jewish composer*..."
"It is unclear what led Mr. Zorn, a secular Jew from Queens, to his awakening. In interviews, he has *spoken vaguely of getting hostile looks in Germany and of his father's death.*"
"The titles of his compositions *often evoke Jewish victimhood*..."
"*Until Mr. Zorn discovered klezmer,* the only jazz musician to show much interest in Eastern European soul was the black clarinetist Don Byron."
"Recently, Mr. Zorn has spoken *in almost hallucinatory tones* about what it means to be Jewish in America."
"Mr. Zorn is *committed to the idea of Jews as an eternal pariah class*..."
"It may be that for Mr. Zorn, Jewishness answers a deeply felt desire - a desire not to be a white jazz musician. *By invoking his own history of oppression, he can assert his right to play the blues*, without the racial envy that often burdens white musicians."
Is that enough to illustrate what Kurt was saying? Those are my own major points of disturbance, as well as those of many others with whom I've spoken (and yes, the debate carries on today as lively as yesterday and the day before - this is probably the most talked-about music article in the Times in months if not years. Would that it were being talked about for positive reasons...).
Steve Smith
ssmith36@sprynet.com
NP - Haunted House, "Only When You Sleep," 'Up in Flames' (Erstwhile)
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Date: Wed, 6 Oct 1999 00:51:50 EDT
From: JonAbbey2@aol.com
Subject: more FMP news
well, it seems as if only two of the three titles I posted about recently ar=
