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From: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com (Zorn List Digest)
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Subject: Zorn List Digest V2 #731
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Zorn List Digest Tuesday, August 10 1999 Volume 02 : Number 731
In this issue:
-
Re: Zorn List Digest V2 #730
Godard....
Re: Masada in Chicago?
Zorn/Ribot/Medeski/Rochester
Hanrahan
RE: Hanrahan
Re: Hanrahan
Re[2]: Hanrahan
Godspeed You Black Emperor!
trade anyone?
Re: Zorn/Ribot/Medeski/Rochester
Re: Beefheart Buddah reissues
help with No-Neck Blues Band 2xCD
Re: help with No-Neck Blues Band 2xCD
New Tim Berne/Paraphrase CD
Tzadik Recommendations
Kang w/Doe
S. Bernstein, J. Hunt
Re: Tzadik Recommendations
Re: S. Bernstein, J. Hunt
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Date: Sun, 08 Aug 1999 22:36:15 -0400
From: ~michelle~ <golgi@sympatico.ca>
Subject: Re: Zorn List Digest V2 #730
someone wrote:
>Actually, I believe they were held up at US Customs for many hours on
>their way to Toronto. That's why it was such a late show.
This is what I thought too, until Trevor Dunn (bassist) sheepishly
admitted to me that they just left Detroit too late... they got across
the border very fast. They DID get stuck in nasty traffic due to the
Carabana festival in Toronto that weekend though... but they just didn't
leave enough time. Half of Mr. Bungle admitted to me that it was all
their fault.
I guess they owe Toronto another show in the future...
Its really too bad-- the last two shows they played in Toronto ('92 at
the Phoenix and '95 at the Opera House) were fantastic. All in all,
this last gig was a real letdown.
- -m
- -
------------------------------
Date: Sun, 8 Aug 1999 23:31:33 -0400 (EDT)
From: Theodorus@webtv.net (Theodorus Klaase)
Subject: Godard....
What is this Godard stuff sound like, from Zorn's latest release?
...and what's with Spillane being on the album too?
- -Theodorus
"Good bye sober day, Hello Milky Way"
- -
------------------------------
Date: Mon, 9 Aug 1999 10:36:20 -0500 (CDT)
From: benjamin elliot axelrad <beaxelra@midway.uchicago.edu>
Subject: Re: Masada in Chicago?
Steve Lacy will also be playing the jazz fest, I think on Saturday night.
Also, Roswell Rudd will be at the Hothouse (across the street from Grant
Park) that Friday.
Ben
On Sun, 8 Aug 1999, Phil Plencner wrote:
> Hello.
>
> I was looking at the Chicago Jazz Fest lineup for this year and was intrigued when
> I saw that Masada will be playing there Friday Sept. 3. I am assuming this is
> Zorn's band Masada and not some other weird group?
>
> At any rate the Chicago jazzfest is a free show in Grant Park, so I'm pretty
> excited if Zorn will be there. Masada plays from 7:15-8:10pm. Before them is "A
> Tribute To Thomas A Dorsey" by Maggie Brown from 6:00-6:10 (that's a pretty small
> tribute!! Maybe it's a misprint....) and George Freeman Trio featuring Chris
> Foreman will be on from 6:15-7:05.
>
> Full Jazzfest info can be viewed at:
> http://www.ci.chi.il.us/SpecialEvents/Festivals99/Jazz99
>
> Phil
>
>
>
> -
>
- -
------------------------------
Date: Mon, 9 Aug 1999 11:11:31 -0500
From: Dan Hewins <dan@synsolutions.com>
Subject: Zorn/Ribot/Medeski/Rochester
A while back there was a little talk about a 1/3/98 show with these
guys and people mentioned that they had this on 3 CDRs. If anyone
with this show in its entirety wants to trade, please email me and
I'll direct you to my list and we can set up a trade. Thanks!
BTW - did anyone see Zorn/Ribot/Medeski/Wollesen at Tonic? (Has it
happened yet?) That looks really good...
Dan Hewins
- -
------------------------------
Date: Mon, 09 Aug 1999 13:00:03 -0400
From: brian_olewnick@smtplink.mssm.edu
Subject: Hanrahan
I know there are several Hanrahan fans (or at least fans of his
earlier work) on this list, so I thought I'd give a brief description
of his recent 'Shadow Nights 2' release (Justin Time).
This is the second installment of his 'A Thousand Nights and a Night'
project, loosely based on the traditional folk tales. As with most
Hanrahan affairs, it's made up of material from numerous sessions,
with differing casts, in this case from 1994-98. The album structure
here is odder than usual, however. It's more or less bracketed by
several very short (@ 1 minute) cuts featuring pianists Don Pullen and
DD Jackson, very bluesy and ruminative and rather nice though, at that
length, whatever ideas were there barely get started. Odder still are
a handful of microscopic tracks that essentially consist of his singer
this time 'round (...somebody Larsen) saying the title of the piece,
sometimes over vague background music--and that's all. All of these
tracks surround the meat of the record, three 9 or 10 minute
compositions featuring Hanrahan's usual incredible percussion ensemble
(here, Robbie Ameen, Negro Hernandez and others). One is a furious
percussive piece, one features Larsen speaking/singing typically
sardonic Hanrahan lyrics over a jazzy band and the last a string of
percussion solos separated by Larsen announcing each player. As I
said, odd.
Hanrahan is listed as composer on all of the tracks, in whole or part,
which seems a bit of a stretch; 'producer' would seem more
appropriate.
For this listener, Kip's been in a bit of a rut for the last ten years
or so, though not an entirely unrewarding one. He appears to have
narrowed his focus to two or three "styles" that make up the bulk of
his recent work: Cuban-inspired percussion, noirish jazz and sexually
charged, marxist-oriented lyrics. What seemed expansive and liberating
in albums like 'Desire Develops an Edge' (still my favorite) and
'Vertical's Currency' has become a bit restrictive.
Not a bad record, just more of the same.
Brian Olewnick
NP: Nenes, Akemodoro Unai (Antinos)
- -
------------------------------
Date: Mon, 9 Aug 1999 13:05:19 -0400
From: "Sean Terwilliger" <terwilliger@deerfield.edu>
Subject: RE: Hanrahan
> Not a bad record, just more of the same.
Brian,
Thanks for the review. That's what I feared. I might just hold off on this
for a while...
- -Sean
- -
------------------------------
Date: Mon, 09 Aug 1999 10:25:43 -0700
From: "Patrice L. Roussel" <proussel@ichips.intel.com>
Subject: Re: Hanrahan
On Mon, 09 Aug 1999 13:00:03 -0400 brian_olewnick@smtplink.mssm.edu wrote:
>
> I know there are several Hanrahan fans (or at least fans of his
> earlier work) on this list, so I thought I'd give a brief description
> of his recent 'Shadow Nights 2' release (Justin Time).
Thanks for the review!
Anybody knows how is the following one (which I assume is a reissue)?
*** - A FEW SHORT NOTES FROM THE END RUN: Kip Hanrahan
Is it one the Hanrahan to have?
Patrice.
- -
------------------------------
Date: Mon, 09 Aug 1999 13:34:00 -0400
From: brian_olewnick@smtplink.mssm.edu
Subject: Re[2]: Hanrahan
>Anybody knows how is the following one (which I assume is a reissue)?
>*** - A FEW SHORT NOTES FROM THE END RUN: Kip Hanrahan
>Is it one the Hanrahan to have?
It's a re-issue of an LP that came out around 1987 featuring four or five tracks
from previous early 80's sessions. It's only around 20 minutes long (I recall
chuckling over avowed marxist Hanrahan charging full price for the LP!) but is
pretty good, representative of what KH was up to at the time. I think (don't
have it handy) that it includes a version of 'Two in Half-Light', possibly THE
stand-out cut from the Desire album. I understand that the disc issue is at a
reduced price.
As to the _one_ KH to have, no. 'Desire', 'Vertical', the first one, 'Coup de
Tete', are all, imho, superior.
Brian Olewnick
(wondering if Patrice's computer allows him to type in an album title _without_
requiring that three asterisks be inserted up front ;-))
- -
------------------------------
Date: Mon, 09 Aug 1999 14:48:02 PDT
From: "Brad Elsie" <b__elsie@hotmail.com>
Subject: Godspeed You Black Emperor!
My apologies for the intrusion...
I'm curious to know if anyone on the list is planning to attend the Godspeed
You Black Emperor! show in Toronto on September 13th.
If so, email me privately and perhaps we could meet up.
...Brad
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- -
------------------------------
Date: Mon, 09 Aug 1999 17:40:55 -0500
From: Dave Lechtenberg <dlkk@verinet.com>
Subject: trade anyone?
Anyone interested in trading CDs? Below is a sampling of zornish stuff
that I have for trade. Please let me know if you'd like to trade for
one of these or want to see my full list.
Baron, Joey RAIsed pleasure dot
Beresford, Steve Cue Sheets Tzadik
Biota Object Holder ReR
Bloedow, Oren The Luckiest Boy in the World Knitting Factory (w/Medeski,
Martin & Wood)
Boredoms Pop Tatari
Byron, Don Plays The Music Of Mickey Katz
Denio, Amy Birthing Chair Blues Knitting Factory
Ex and Tom Cora Scrabbling at the Lock RecRec
Jackson, Ronald Shannon Red Warrior Axiom
Kang, Eyvind 7 Nades Tzadik
Kronos Quartet Pieces Of Africa
Ribot, Marc Rootless Cosmopolitans
Sharp, Elliot (Carbon) Datacide
Tortoise Millions Now Living Will Never Die
Various Passed Normal Volume 5 (David Thomas/Mother Gong/ Henry Kaiser &
Jim O'Rourke/Amy Denio/Hugh Hopper/Lol Coxhill/ Tom Hodgkinson/etc)
Various ReR Quarterly Vol. 1 Selections (John Oswald/Duck & Cover/
Cassix/5UU's/Biota)
Various Time Out New York/Knitting Factory Sampler
- -Dave
- -
------------------------------
Date: Mon, 09 Aug 1999 23:09:43 -0400
From: "Zachary J. Griffin" <zgriffin@iconn.net>
Subject: Re: Zorn/Ribot/Medeski/Rochester
Dan Hewins wrote:
> BTW - did anyone see Zorn/Ribot/Medeski/Wollesen at Tonic? (Has it
> happened yet?) That looks really good...
>
I saw two of the three nights at Tonic back in may. They were great
shows. I am looking forward to the Thrusday night show at The Knitting
Factory.
Zach Griffin
>
> Dan Hewins
>
> -
- -
------------------------------
Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1999 02:37:47 EDT
From: JonAbbey2@aol.com
Subject: Re: Beefheart Buddah reissues
In a message dated 8/8/99 9:56:30 AM, scott@burntweeny.freeserve.co.uk writes:
<< Has anyone heard the recent Beefheart reissues on Buddah?
Care to venture any opinions? I can't decide whether or not to buy them. I
heard the extra tracks are all from the I may be Hungry but I sure ain't
Weird comp. >>
both the new versions of Safe As Milk and Mirror Man are superb, in terms of
sound quality and musically. this is the third version of Safe As Milk that
I've bought on CD, and it's by far the best sounding. I think that many, if
not all, of the extra tracks are from I May Be Hungry..., but with all the
take numbers, it gets a bit confusing. anyway, they're cheap, and they're
really good.
Jon
www.erstwhilerecords.com
- -
------------------------------
Date: Mon, 09 Aug 1999 08:56:14 -0700
From: "Patrice L. Roussel" <proussel@ichips.intel.com>
Subject: help with No-Neck Blues Band 2xCD
Does anybody know if the following record is new, and any idea of
the label (if any) and an address?
Thanks.
- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
*** - THE BIRTH OF BOTH WORLDS: No-Neck Blues Band
???? - ??? (USA), ??? (2xCD)
- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
- -
------------------------------
Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1999 03:09:04 EDT
From: JonAbbey2@aol.com
Subject: Re: help with No-Neck Blues Band 2xCD
In a message dated 8/10/99 2:48:13 AM, proussel@ichips.intel.com writes:
<< Does anybody know if the following record is new, and any idea of
the label (if any) and an address?
*** - THE BIRTH OF BOTH WORLDS: No-Neck Blues Band
???? - ??? (USA), ??? (2xCD) >>
yes, it's new. it's on the No Neck label, Sound@One, and it's catalog number
is S@1 46/47. I can't seem to find my copy of the disc, but if the address is
the same as a year ago, it's either:
149 Union St., Apt. #4
Brooklyn, NY 11231
or:
PO Box 20707
Thompkins Sq. Station
NY, NY 10009
those are both listed on their last CD.
Jon
www.erstwhilerecords.com
- -
------------------------------
Date: Wed, 11 Aug 1999 00:54:47 -0400 (EDT)
From: William York <wyork@email.unc.edu>
Subject: New Tim Berne/Paraphrase CD
I've been listening to this pretty constantly since getting it two days
ago. It's called "Please Advise" and is Berne with Drew Gress (bass) and
Tom Rainey (drums). Two LONG tracks - 41 and 25 min. - but they're both
pretty rockin'. This is all improv but they tend to section things out
and move into some 'beat-oriented' sections. I guess it's nothing
radically new from these guys but I still think it's great stuff. I like
it better than than the previous Paraphase CD.
By the way, does anyone have comments on the Empire Years Box Set?
Thanks,
WY
- -
------------------------------
Date: Wed, 11 Aug 1999 01:10:59 -0400 (EDT)
From: William York <wyork@email.unc.edu>
Subject: Tzadik Recommendations
> Im looking for other releases in the vein of Annie
> Gosfield, Virgil Moorefield, and Eyvind Kang. I am a
> fan of these composers and am looking for anything
> similar. If anyone has any suggestions, please let me know.
Have you listened to David Shea, Jean Derome, and/or Otomo
Yoshihide/Ground Zero? I can't really give specific recommendations on
the first two, but I really like Ground Zero's "Plays Standards" CD, which
you could call 'song-oriented' I guess, and "Revolutionary Pekingese
Opera", which is one long work.
I've been pretty big on the Kang albums I have - "7 Nades" (which I would
compare to maybe Spillane and Godard or The Big Gundown, loosely),
"Theatre of Mineral Nades" (more tuneful and almost easy listening, but
still disturbing in its own way and more 'eastern' sounding), and the
Dying Ground CD (sort of a cross between Painkiller and early 70s Miles).
The Annie Gosfield CD was pretty cool too, especially if you're into
just-intonation. Don't know quite as much about Moorefield, but I guess
the connection is that all three are hard to classify, 'genre-crossing',
somewhat rock-influenced composers. Does anyone else have suggestions in
this general area, if this isn't too vague?
Thanks,
WY
- -
------------------------------
Date: Wed, 11 Aug 1999 01:29:49 -0400
From: Lang Thompson <wlt4@mindspring.com>
Subject: Kang w/Doe
In case anybody's keeping track, I just noticed the Eyvan Kang appears on
the John Doe Thing's "kissingsohard" (along with other guest shots from
Exene Cervenka, DJ Bonebrake and Sandra Bernhard).
LT
- ----------------------------------------------
Lang Thompson
http://www.tcf.ua.edu/wlt4
Full Alert Film Review (formerly World Cinema Review)
http://wlt4.home.mindspring.com/fafr.htm
- -
------------------------------
Date: Wed, 11 Aug 1999 01:32:44 -0400 (EDT)
From: William York <wyork@email.unc.edu>
Subject: S. Bernstein, J. Hunt
People have asked about these, and tho I realize you can only trust me so
much considering that I pretty much liked the last Marc Ribot CD, I
figured I would respond anyway.
The Steven Bernstein CD is, like the promo description says, a Cuban
jazz/New Orleans R & B take on Jewish traditionals. I think this one is
really successful, b/c although he researched a lot of the connections
between these kinds of music (as he describes in the liner notes), the
performances are very spontaneous, being mainly or perhaps exclusively
first takes. This is maybe the closest thing to a 'party album' the label
has put out, which is meant in a good way considering the possibility of
conceptual baggage. So I would say this is recommendable. Also, it's
over an hour long if that makes a difference.
The Jerry Hunt CD is the first I've heard of him. I think the
vocalists (Karen Finley, Shelley Hirsch, Mike Patton) have a lot to do
with whether one would like this. I have a real tough time listening to
Finley, and Shelley Hirsch, who I usually really like, is mostly giving
accounts of Hunt's life that aren't too spectacularly interesting in the
way they're presented. These are mostly spoken or spoken-sung; Patton's
is pretty much sung all the way through. The other half are instrumentals
which if I understand correctly were also designed with vocal
contributions in mind. These are interesting in spots but seem to lack
something (namely, vocals).
Hopefully this is semi-helpful,
WY
P.S. The Spillane-Goadard CD is super. Even if you already have Spillane,
it's worth it. Great packaging too.
- -
------------------------------
Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1999 22:38:51 -0700 (PDT)
From: Jason Walton <nothing_grey@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Tzadik Recommendations
I havent heard Shea, Derome, or Ground Zero, but Ive
been very interested in Shea. Thanks for the
recommendations.
Are you saying "Dying Ground" is a name of a Kang
album?
I just heard Zeena parkins "Mouth=Maul=Betrayer", this
is another excellent CD by an excellent violinist.
Any other recommenadtions of very creative violinists?
Jason Walton
- --- William York <wyork@email.unc.edu> wrote:
> > Im looking for other releases in the vein of Annie
> > Gosfield, Virgil Moorefield, and Eyvind Kang. I
> am a
> > fan of these composers and am looking for anything
> > similar. If anyone has any suggestions, please
> let me know.
>
> Have you listened to David Shea, Jean Derome, and/or
> Otomo
> Yoshihide/Ground Zero? I can't really give specific
> recommendations on
> the first two, but I really like Ground Zero's
> "Plays Standards" CD, which
> you could call 'song-oriented' I guess, and
> "Revolutionary Pekingese
> Opera", which is one long work.
>
> I've been pretty big on the Kang albums I have - "7
> Nades" (which I would
> compare to maybe Spillane and Godard or The Big
> Gundown, loosely),
> "Theatre of Mineral Nades" (more tuneful and almost
> easy listening, but
> still disturbing in its own way and more 'eastern'
> sounding), and the
> Dying Ground CD (sort of a cross between Painkiller
> and early 70s Miles).
>
> The Annie Gosfield CD was pretty cool too,
> especially if you're into
> just-intonation. Don't know quite as much about
> Moorefield, but I guess
> the connection is that all three are hard to
> classify, 'genre-crossing',
> somewhat rock-influenced composers. Does anyone
> else have suggestions in
> this general area, if this isn't too vague?
>
> Thanks,
>
> WY
>
>
> -
>
>
===
Nothing / Eibon Records America
P.O. Box 14121
Minneapolis, MN 55414
Nothing_grey@yahoo.com
http://www.mythosmedia.com/nothing
http://www.thais.it/eibon
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- -
------------------------------
Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1999 22:43:28 -0700 (PDT)
From: Jason Walton <nothing_grey@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: S. Bernstein, J. Hunt
can someone please give a brief description of the
zorn "spillane and godard" Cds? Mainly how
experimental and insane they are. Im not much of a
Masada fan, and the most "straight forward" I get into
is naked City's "radio." Will these tickle my fancy?
Jason Walton
- --- William York <wyork@email.unc.edu> wrote:
> People have asked about these, and tho I realize you
> can only trust me so
> much considering that I pretty much liked the last
> Marc Ribot CD, I
> figured I would respond anyway.
>
> The Steven Bernstein CD is, like the promo
> description says, a Cuban
> jazz/New Orleans R & B take on Jewish traditionals.
> I think this one is
> really successful, b/c although he researched a lot
> of the connections
> between these kinds of music (as he describes in the
> liner notes), the
> performances are very spontaneous, being mainly or
> perhaps exclusively
> first takes. This is maybe the closest thing to a
> 'party album' the label
> has put out, which is meant in a good way
> considering the possibility of
> conceptual baggage. So I would say this is
> recommendable. Also, it's
> over an hour long if that makes a difference.
>
> The Jerry Hunt CD is the first I've heard of him. I
> think the
> vocalists (Karen Finley, Shelley Hirsch, Mike
> Patton) have a lot to do
> with whether one would like this. I have a real
> tough time listening to
> Finley, and Shelley Hirsch, who I usually really
> like, is mostly giving
> accounts of Hunt's life that aren't too
> spectacularly interesting in the
> way they're presented. These are mostly spoken or
> spoken-sung; Patton's
> is pretty much sung all the way through. The other
> half are instrumentals
> which if I understand correctly were also designed
> with vocal
> contributions in mind. These are interesting in
> spots but seem to lack
> something (namely, vocals).
>
> Hopefully this is semi-helpful,
>
> WY
>
> P.S. The Spillane-Goadard CD is super. Even if you
> already have Spillane,
> it's worth it. Great packaging too.
>
>
> -
>
>
===
Nothing / Eibon Records America
P.O. Box 14121
Minneapolis, MN 55414
Nothing_grey@yahoo.com
http://www.mythosmedia.com/nothing
http://www.thais.it/eibon
_________________________________________________________
Do You Yahoo!?
Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com
- -
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