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From: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com (Zorn List Digest)
To: zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com
Subject: Zorn List Digest V2 #717
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Zorn List Digest Friday, July 16 1999 Volume 02 : Number 717
In this issue:
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Re: Fwd: $4.95 CD update
kubrick, film, and new music
RE: Fwd: $4.95 CD update
Re: John Cage
Re: Cage vs. Ra
Re: Cage vs. Ra
Re: kubrick, film, and new music
Re: Cage vs. Ra
Songs for Wandering Souls
way off suject: Muslimgause cd's for sale on Ebay
Brotzmanns
Re: Zorn interview in JAZZIZ of August 1999
Re: Brotzmanns
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Date: Fri, 16 Jul 1999 09:25:18 +0100
From: "allen j huotari" <zmasada@email.msn.com>
Subject: Re: Fwd: $4.95 CD update
just to add to the fun...below is an e-message I rx'd this past week (6
weeks after my order was placed)
"Thank you for your order with Online Stores by Shopnow.com. Unfortunately,
all of the products you ordered are no longer available for purchase through
our supplier. Your order for those cds will be cancelled as of today. We
apologize for the inconvenience, and hope to serve your online shopping
needs in the future."
ajh
- -----Original Message-----
From: Charles Jacobus <cjacobus@avesta.com>
To: 'zorn-list@xmission.com' <zorn-list@xmission.com>
Date: Friday, July 16, 1999 2:41 PM
Subject: RE: Fwd: $4.95 CD update
>I made the same call and I received the same letter.
>
>I did receive one of the five discs I ordered (Zappa's Lumpy Gravy) last
>night. Still no charge to my account either.
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Eric Saidel [mailto:saidel@usl.edu]
>Sent: Thursday, July 15, 1999 11:47 PM
>To: TagYrIt@aol.com; zorn list
>Subject: Re: Fwd: $4.95 CD update
>
>
>
>>
>> Similar situation here....I placed 4 orders, and got 1 item from the
third
>> order yesterday. When I spoke to them on the phone, they did tell me as
>well
>> that they do intend to eventually fill EVERYTHING.
>>
>> Dale.
>
>Coincidentally, I got an email today (in response to a phone query I
>made yesterday or the day before). Full text below. They've been very
>friendly to me on the phone, despite the stupidity of having the cd
>orders handled by a office that's not accessible to the customer service
>office. I have yet to get any discs (I ordered a lot - in one order,
>ignoring the limit, which I believed to be per disc, not per order), but
>my card has yet to be charged as well.
>
>- eric
>
>Here's the email:
>
>The first distributor we contracted with to fulfill our CD titles was
>unable to handle the incredible demand, so we have contracted with a
>second distributor. Unfortunately, not all titles are available with the
>second distributor.
>
>We are currently researching what CD titles were and were not shipped.
>We
>hope to have an email out to you by the end of next week, informing you
>of
>the status of your order. However, I do want to caution you that you may
>not receive all of your titles. Any titles unavailable will be cancelled
>from the order and you will not be charged for them. We are still
>offering the top 25 CD titles for our low price of $4.95 per CD.
>
>While we are disappointed that your experience purchasing from us has
>not
>been ideal, we hope you understand and we hope you will continue to shop
>online with us. Please feel free to email or call with any further
>questions or concerns.
>
>
>
>-
>
>-
>
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Date: Fri, 16 Jul 1999 18:08:12 GMT
From: "Scott Handley" <c123018@hotmail.com>
Subject: kubrick, film, and new music
Just read an article on Kubrick's EYES WIDE SHUT in the recent SALON. Found
out that that strange, beautiful fragment of piano music from the EYES
television trailer is Ligeti. Imagine that! (I was too busy to notice the
music the first couple times I saw it; beautiful people filmed beautifully,
oh me: my heart...)
Does anyone recognize this music, the obsessively repeated piano note? I
remember Ligeti, Penderecki, and Bartok put to very effective use in
previous Kubrick. My introduction, really, to some intensely delicious
sound experiences.
Cheers, and have fun at EYES,
- -----s, breathing Tom, breathing Nicole, celebrity worship...
(Speaking of which, might I ruminate briefly on the subject of
CELEBRITY TORTURE? For example, Bill Pullman must be punished for agreeing
to play Bill Clinton/George Bush in TRIUMPH OF THE WILL....er, I mean
INDEPENDENCE DAY. So, in an _earlier_ film, of all things, we get to see
him poisoned, attacked, knifed, zombified, buried alive with a tarantula,
framed, tortured, and spiked through the groin with a nine-inch nail. Keanu
Reeves, for his _oeurve_, we get to see shot, forcefully cyberneticized,
jacked into a computer, dropped off a 100-story building, ass-whipped by
Larry Lee, and impregnated with a mechanical bug. And the movie ain't bad
either. Don't get me started on Bruce WIllis. There is karma in Hollywood.)
I'd love to hear listmembers talk about film music and films that they've
found to be really amazing experience. I mean, we _all_ liked TOMMY BOY,
but I'm more curious about orchestrated, striking visual and narrative
experiences, beatific even, and conversely, "cinema for the ear" to
paraphrase a Dianne LaBrosse dustjacket.
P.S. Thanks heaps to those who recommended the Dianne LaBrosse/Martin
Tetreault/Ikue Mori ILE BIZARRE to me. It's noisy but sumptuous, and I
recommend it highly to almost everyone, but not while driving.
- ----s
_______________________________________________________________
Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com
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Date: Fri, 16 Jul 1999 14:23:58 -0400
From: "Vince Bonavoglia" <nobrowgraphics@earthlink.net>
Subject: RE: Fwd: $4.95 CD update
>I made the same call and I received the same letter.
Ditto.
I ordered 8 discs around the same time as others on this list and have only
received one: Zorn's _Naked City_. The invoice accompanying the package was
mysteriously bereft of any charge amount, so I quickly called their customer
service. I had a bad feeling that, if the rest of the order came in one or
two-disc shipments, the total postage charges would probably be more than
the price of the discs. The rep assured me that this would not happen and
that my order would indeed be filled. We'll see...
They haven't billed my card, either.
Vince
(On now: Zorn's _Naked City_. Why I waited so long to buy this is beyond
me...)
Nobrow Graphics!:
http://home.earthlink.net/~nobrowgraphics/nobrow/plastic.htm
ICQ# 42044705
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Date: Fri, 16 Jul 1999 14:35:29 -0400
From: Joseph Zitt <jzitt@metatronpress.com>
Subject: Re: John Cage
On Fri, Jul 16, 1999 at 01:49:15PM -0400, Peter Risser wrote:
> Well, I'm no expert, but the top statement is true. Cage didn't do any
> improv, per se. He was a firm believer for a long time in chance
> operations, which is not the same as free improv. On the contrary,
> chance operations are (in theory) as strict on the performer as any
> normally written score, perhaps more so, as they have to perform things
> that are not normally juxtaposed in a performance, or even possible
> sometimes.
In one of his last pieces, One^12 (I think), he created a situation
specifically for improvisation, and improvisation figured into much
of his later work -- though not in the usual jazz-derived "free improv"
sense.
> So, in this case, Cage was probably performing a piece where he reads
> some pregenerated phonemes, interspersed with pregenerated silence.
In listening to it, I guessed that it was part of Empty Words, Part IV,
but I could be wrong.
> He has a fantastic voice, sort of a really, really pleasant Vincent
> Price, so I love to hear him read.
Yes! What a wonderful description...
> Joe Zitt is the Cage expert though. He may be able to clear up
> anything i muddled.
There are others here (Steve Drury, for example) who are really
experts. I started the mailing list so I could learn from them...
- --
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| Comma: Voices of New Music Silence: the John Cage Discussion List |
- -
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Date: Fri, 16 Jul 1999 15:21:37 -0400
From: Tom Pratt <tpratt@ctech.smtc.net>
Subject: Re: Cage vs. Ra
samuel yrui wrote:
> Not that Cage would do improv... At least not in the way Ra did.
>
> i know only a little bit about Sun Ra. could you please tell me how their
> improv styles differ specifically?
>
> -samuel yrui
Well, just quickly... Cage was actually opposed to improvisation because it
provides a situation for self-expression and interaction. He was not concerned
with self-expression and interaction but rather self-alteration and
co-existence, and despite the fact that much of his music is known for its
"looseness" and "freedom", Cage found improvisation largely inadequate to meet
these concerns and hardly ever used it. (I say "hardly ever" because there are
in fact a few exceptions, though they are very specific and don't contradict
his beliefs.)
There's a shitload of literature by and about Cage, so it shouldn't be tough
for anyone to pursue an interest in his work. His book 'Silence' seems to be a
good entry-point and is kind of a classic...
-Tom Pratt
listening to: Charles Mingus - Mingus Mingus Mingus Mingus Mingus (Impulse!)
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Date: Fri, 16 Jul 1999 12:24:37 -0700
From: "Patrice L. Roussel" <proussel@ichips.intel.com>
Subject: Re: Cage vs. Ra
On Fri, 16 Jul 1999 15:21:37 -0400 Tom Pratt wrote:
>
> Well, just quickly... Cage was actually opposed to improvisation because it
> provides a situation for self-expression and interaction. He was not concerned
> with self-expression and interaction but rather self-alteration and
> co-existence, and despite the fact that much of his music is known for its
> "looseness" and "freedom", Cage found improvisation largely inadequate to meet
> these concerns and hardly ever used it. (I say "hardly ever" because there are
> in fact a few exceptions, though they are very specific and don't contradict
> his beliefs.)
Didn't Cage also indulged in "open form", where portions of a score are left
to the performer's will? That was big in Europe in the late '50s (Pousseur,
Boulez, etc).
Patrice.
- -
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Date: Fri, 16 Jul 1999 16:10:48 -0400
From: "wetboy" <sulacco@worldnet.att.net>
Subject: Re: kubrick, film, and new music
- -----Original Message-----
From: Scott Handley <c123018@hotmail.com>
To: zorn-list@lists.xmission.com <zorn-list@lists.xmission.com>
Date: Friday, July 16, 1999 2:09 PM
Subject: kubrick, film, and new music
>Just read an article on Kubrick's EYES WIDE SHUT in the recent SALON.
Found
>out that that strange, beautiful fragment of piano music from the EYES
>television trailer is Ligeti. Imagine that! (I was too busy to notice the
>music the first couple times I saw it; beautiful people filmed beautifully,
>oh me: my heart...)
>
u've seen it a couple times already? wow. i just saw it 2day. i thought
kubrick's music choices were very good. ligeti, shostakovich, chris isaak,
etc. and the original music was very effective, like the music composed for
full metal jacket. not 2 say it sounds the same, but is as effective in the
dramatic development.
- -
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Date: Fri, 16 Jul 1999 15:56:45 -0400
From: Tom Pratt <tpratt@ctech.smtc.net>
Subject: Re: Cage vs. Ra
Patrice L. Roussel wrote:
> Didn't Cage also indulged in "open form", where portions of a score are left
> to the performer's will? That was big in Europe in the late '50s (Pousseur,
> Boulez, etc).
Yes, a lot of his music of this time (and later) left decisions for the performer to
make (questions for the performer to answer). However, these are in cases where
either when the performer cannot foresee how his decisions will affect the music or
when the range of possible decisions has been limited to the extent that, within
that, any is acceptable. It's not exactly improvisation... (or if it is, it doesn't
violate the reasons Cage was opposed to it in the first place)
-Tom Pratt
still groovin' on Mingus!
- -
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Date: Sat, 17 Jul 1999 00:02:12 +0200
From: "Rob Allaert" <rob.allaert@charity.nu>
Subject: Songs for Wandering Souls
Hi JazZorns,
This is one of the rare situations where we Europeans get first access to a
hot item: Dave Douglas' newest jewel. And a jewel it is. It is one of the
best records I purchased this year and I highly recommend it to all of you.
As you all know it is a Tiny Bell Trio effort. Brad sounds very mature and
in control, Jim's drumming is less crazy but he still shows off a lot and,
of course Dave's playing, oh, it's enthralling. I'm not exaggerating, the
slower songs where he spins never ending melodies and takes hallucinating
turns and plays velvet, high pitched tones, truly incredible. The cd opens
with 'Sam Hill' which has a very moody slow guitar intro and a quite steady
rhythm. It is the most accessible song to this cd, a melody you can actually
sing in your head after a few listenings. There are three very slow songs
which are all delightful. "Prolix" and "Ferrous" are two funny and heavy
tunes with lots of rhythm and (I guess) Balkan melodies. The Schumann cover
"Nicht so schnell, mit viel ton zu spielen" is very beautiful as well, fine
melody, lots of detractions from the melody and then back to it. Wonderful
tension.
To me this record is the best Tiny Bell Trio they ever made. Go get it, when
it is available. By the way, Convergence - no-one ever made any comments -
is great too. Incredible compositions. They make it so hard to believe they
could actually record such songs in less than a year or so :-) It actually
took them 2 days!
Anyone like to hear a "Wandering" song? It's on the following page (at the
bottom). Enjoy! http://listen.to/robs.records When you download, please
email me with feedback, that's all I ask.
___________________________
Rob,
Belgium ----------------------------------------------------------------
"Would you rather have the power to shave just by thinking really hard
or have an unexplainable gift, whereupon flushing the toilet, everybody in
the building renounces their religion?"
- --------------------------------------------------------------------------__
__________
- -
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Date: Fri, 16 Jul 1999 20:24:41 EDT
From: TWHY666@aol.com
Subject: way off suject: Muslimgause cd's for sale on Ebay
Hello sorry about the off topic post... just thought some of you might like
Muslimgauze & would be interested in some of his deleted titles on Ebay...
Thanx
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Muslimgauze vs Rootsman - City Of Djinn CD
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Muslimgauze vs Species Of Fishes CD
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Muslimgauze - Deceiver
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Muslimgauze - Mullah Said
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Muslimgauze - Hammer & Sickle 7inch
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Muslimgauze - Tandoori Dog 4xLP
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Date: Fri, 16 Jul 1999 20:23:46 -0400 (EDT)
From: Ryan Novak <ryan_novak@yahoo.com>
Subject: Brotzmanns
>Anyone heard the new Caspar Brotzmann disc,
'MuteMassaker' (Rough
Trade), reviewed in the current WIRE? >Thanks.
Brian Olewnick
Hi,
Thanks for informing us, or at least me, that there is
a new cd, I'm sure I'll pick that up sometime. Also,
is there a new Blind Idiot God record? Maybe it's
been mentioned, but I'm new to the list (and usually
WAY behind anyway).
Speaking of Brotzmann, his Dad put on a hell of a show
in Victoriaville a while ago, and I've been wondering
if I'll find a recording of that (I do already have
the 3 cd chicago tentet set). I guess it was supposed
to have been recorded for broadcast on Canadian radio,
but no word from my Canadian acquaintances about it.
Thanks.
Ryan Novak
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Date: Sat, 17 Jul 1999 01:28:22 EDT
From: IOUaLive1@aol.com
Subject: Re: Zorn interview in JAZZIZ of August 1999
> Just to let you know that there is an interview of Zorn in the new
> JAZZIZ:
And he actually made the cover! Best of all, *we* get mentioned in the first
paragraph. Interesting interview I thought, lets see if Zorn dislikes this
one as well. They make mention of Zorn being pissed about the New Yorker
article.
I wanna hear reviews of the Baron/ Ruins show at Tonic last night,
specifically on the Ruins. I was there and thought they were incredible.
It was the first time Ive heard anything by them, how did it compare to any
of their recordings? They even quoted King Crimson's "Red".
- -Jody "a rabid twenty-something fan"
- -
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Date: Sat, 17 Jul 1999 01:36:24 EDT
From: JonAbbey2@aol.com
Subject: Re: Brotzmanns
In a message dated 7/16/99 8:28:27 PM, ryan_novak@yahoo.com writes:
<< Speaking of Brotzmann, his Dad put on a hell of a show
in Victoriaville a while ago, and I've been wondering
if I'll find a recording of that (I do already have
the 3 cd chicago tentet set). I guess it was supposed
to have been recorded for broadcast on Canadian radio,
but no word from my Canadian acquaintances about it. >>
I'd be willing to bet, based on zero solid information, that the two hour set
is released as a double CD on Victo in the next year sometime. Michel
Levasseur let them play well past their alloted slot, bumping back the next
band. I'm sure that that was one of the factors contributing to his decision.
of course, the jammed room of fans going nuts probably helped also.
just got back from seeing Matmos at the Alterknit. two guys from San
Francisco, joined by a third for the live show. superb electronica with an
acoustic element of a banjo occasionally strummed or bowed, and other
acoustic samples triggered. these guys are my favorite American electronica
band. they're playing again tomorrow night at midnight at Tonic and doing an
instore at Mondo Kim's on Monday at 8, I believe. this was a much better
venue for them than either of those, but I have a feeling that, like the No
Neck Blues Band, they adapt their style to their space. I don't think I'm
going to either of the other sets, but I'd love to hear reports.
all three of their CDs are recommended: get Matmos if you like Autechre, get
Quasi-Objects if you are a musique concrete fan, or get The West if you'd
like some acoustic instruments mixed in. Quasi-Objects is my favorite.
Jon
www.erstwhilerecords.com
NP: the currently untitled Thomas Lehn and Gerry Hemingway CD that is going
to be erstwhile 004. I'm shooting for a October release.
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