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From: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com (Zorn List Digest)
To: zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com
Subject: Zorn List Digest V2 #709
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Zorn List Digest Monday, July 12 1999 Volume 02 : Number 709
In this issue:
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Re: john cage
Re: Zorn List Digest V2 #708
Re: looking for easy listening stockhausen
Re: Uncivil Glass [was Re: some downtowners go pop]
Re: some downtowners go pop
Re: some downtowners go pop - music to empty parties by
Re: Kinky Tribute
Re: john cage
Kuryokhin
Re: solo saxophone
Re: Prevost/Organum
Re: Prevost/Organum
Re: some downtowners go pop
Re: Email Legislation
Re: pop (was: downtowners...)
Re: Karlheinz Stockhausen
Re: More KISS!!!!!
Re: some downtowners go pop
Re: Kuryokhin
Re: Uncivil Glass [was Re: some downtowners go pop]
Re:music to empty parties by
Re: Email Legislation
Kirk
Re: some downtowners go pop
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Date: Sun, 11 Jul 1999 19:42:44 -0400
From: Tom Pratt <tpratt@ctech.smtc.net>
Subject: Re: john cage
John Santamaria wrote:
> Also, can anyone recommend a good performance of John Cage's Music of
> Changes on cd?
As far as I know, there are only two - one on Wergo performed by Herbert
Henck and one on Lovely by Joseph Kubera. Both are pretty remarkable (if
you like the piece).
I had the pleasure of seeing Kubera perform this piece at NEC a little
while ago.
-Tom Pratt
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Date: Sun, 11 Jul 1999 19:42:03 EDT
From: Cocogroovy@aol.com
Subject: Re: Zorn List Digest V2 #708
In a message dated 7/11/99 3:12:53 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com writes:
<< this sounds like it could b a phrygian dominant scale. i think the phryg.
dom scale has a b2, b6, and a b7. >>
This scale is known as Mixo b9, b13...the fifth mode of Harmonic minor.
- Brendan
- -
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Date: Sun, 11 Jul 1999 20:22:12 -0400
From: Joseph Zitt <jzitt@metatronpress.com>
Subject: Re: looking for easy listening stockhausen
On Sun, Jul 11, 1999 at 03:12:58PM -0400, Caleb T. Deupree wrote:
> (Mantra for two pianos and live electronics, available on New Albion, is
> often considered his last interesting piece, although I wouldn't pass up a
> chance to see some of his opera, on which he's been working for the last 25
> years).
Some of the sections of the operas are quite good, based on hearing the
DG releases of some of them. There was a single-disc excerpt, called
something like "Unspeakable Choirs" (I may be getting confused with
Beckett here) that I rather enjoyed.
Looking throught he discography in the back of Jonathan Cott's
"Stockhausen: Conversations with the Composer", I see a whole
heap-o-intriguing now-out-of-print items, including a 2 LP Greatest
Hits on Polydor. The mind boggles.
- --
| jzitt@metatronpress.com http://www.metatronpress.com/~jzitt |
| Latest Solo CD: Gentle Entropy http://www.mp3.com/josephzitt |
| Comma: Voices of New Music Silence: the John Cage Discussion List |
- -
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Date: Sun, 11 Jul 1999 22:11:30 -0400
From: Steve Smith <ssmith36@sprynet.com>
Subject: Re: Uncivil Glass [was Re: some downtowners go pop]
s~Z wrote:
> What do you think of Ensemble Modern's 18M?
Haven't heard it yet, but probably will do so pretty soon. A friend of
mine wrote the liner notes and swears that the recording is great. I find
myself wondering, however, what objectively would construe the margin
available for "interpretive differences" in a piece so seemingly mechanized
(I'm not at all dissing it in saying this - it's perhaps my single favorite
minimalist work). How different could it actually be from Reich's own
recordings?
Steve
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Date: Sun, 11 Jul 1999 22:23:15 -0400
From: Steve Smith <ssmith36@sprynet.com>
Subject: Re: some downtowners go pop
Joseph Zitt wrote:
> I'm frustrated that I can't be in NYC this weekend to see
> DD&D III...
I consider myself a Wilson fan to a largish extent. I found his HGO "Parsifal" (which
you mention later) quite transcendant, and I saw his staging of Buechner's "Danton's
Tod" at the Alley Theatre twice. But I haven't heard ANYTHING good about DD&D III
from any of my friends who've seen it. And my comments on the new 'Civil Wars' is
limited to the new Nonesuch disc, which I thoroughly disliked, but that of course
excludes the visual component that would be provided by Wilson.
> (A high point of my career as a performance ego: during intermission
> of Wilson's "Parsifal" in Houston, I spotted a performance artist
> from Austin. As I was approaching from behind her, unseen, I heard
> her say to her husband, "This is a lot like Joe Zitt's pieces, but
> I like Joe's better." I grinned for days...)
GREAT story!
Steve Smith
ssmith36@sprynet.com
[NP - 'Blade Runner' (today's new DVD acquisition, along with 'South Park, Vol. 1')]
- -
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Date: Sun, 11 Jul 1999 22:30:07 EDT
From: Nvinokur@aol.com
Subject: Re: some downtowners go pop - music to empty parties by
Renaldo and the Loaf wll get people running.
Lets not forget the Residents
- -
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Date: Sun, 11 Jul 1999 22:40:26 -0400
From: Steve Smith <ssmith36@sprynet.com>
Subject: Re: Kinky Tribute
Stephen Fruitman wrote:
> Kinky got done recently, and quite nicely too. The CD is called _Pearls=
in
> the Snow_ and features a wide range of (primarily country) talent;
> highlights include Willie Nelson=B4s stirring rendition of "Ride =B4Em,=
Jewboy"
> and contributions by Tom Waits, Lyle Lovett, and a slew of others, both
> well- and lesser-known.
THANK YOU!!! This is fantastic news. I'm a major league fan of Kinky's
writing (the mystery novels included). Got to find this right away...
Steve Smith
ssmith36@sprynet.com
[NP - 'Blade Runner']
- -
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Date: Sun, 11 Jul 1999 23:07:14 -0400
From: stephen drury <stevedrury@mindspring.com>
Subject: Re: john cage
At 12:23 AM 7/11/99 -0600, you wrote:
>Also, can anyone recommend a good performance of John Cage's Music of
>Changes on cd?
>
Unquestionably Joe Kubera's recording. He just played the damn thing here
at New England Conservatory and left us all in a state of shock. Nobody can
touch this guy.
- --steve
www.stephendrury.com
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Date: Mon, 12 Jul 1999 00:27:39 -0400 (EDT)
From: John Santamaria <d028932c@dc.seflin.org>
Subject: Kuryokhin
Is anyone familiar with Sergey Kuryokhin, any recommendations, important
recordings, suggestions?
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Your Grandma prays to pictures that are pasted on a board
-B. D.
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Date: Sun, 11 Jul 1999 23:17:56 -0700 (PDT)
From: SUGAR in their vitamins? <yol@esophagus.com>
Subject: Re: solo saxophone
On Fri, 9 Jul 1999, Tom Pratt wrote:
> Has anyone heard Urs Leimgruber's solo albums? I liked his trio disc 'Lines'
> (hatArt) with Fritz Hauser and Adelhard Roidinger well enough but haven't heard
> much else. It seems to me the solo stuff could be pretty nice, though.
i have "Goletter" on Unit Records.
although i don't listen to it all the time,
i do like it. it has some of the same
qualities i like in John Butcher's playing.
hasta.
Yes. Beautiful, wonderful nature. Hear it sing to us: *snap* Yes. natURE.
- -
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Date: Sun, 11 Jul 1999 23:22:57 -0700 (PDT)
From: SUGAR in their vitamins? <yol@esophagus.com>
Subject: Re: Prevost/Organum
On Fri, 9 Jul 1999, Tom Pratt wrote:
> Is 'Volume One' really considered the best Organum? I've had this one for a few
> months (my only Organum/Jackman disc), and it didn't really do much for me on
> the first few listens. I'll give it another go tonight.
since "Volume One" collects material from
"Tower of Silence", "In Extremis" and the
split 12" with Nurse With Wound (all previously
out of print), i'm not sure how it could be
considered 'the best' Organum.
personally speaking, all Organum is brilliant. ha ha
in all seriousness, my favorite is "Sphyx"
(Aeroplane) with Edie Prevost, Jim O'Rourke
and Christoph Heemann.
hasta.
Yes. Beautiful, wonderful nature. Hear it sing to us: *snap* Yes. natURE.
- -
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Date: Sun, 11 Jul 1999 23:26:35 -0700 (PDT)
From: SUGAR in their vitamins? <yol@esophagus.com>
Subject: Re: Prevost/Organum
On Fri, 9 Jul 1999 JonAbbey2@aol.com wrote:
> it's the CD of theirs/his that made the biggest impact on me, but I don't
> consider it to be on the same level as AMM, or Morphogenesis for that matter.
i guess since Morphogenesis doesn't really
excite me as much as AMM or Organum, we probably
will disagree on this point. however, i
do think this split 12" (and then later CD)
is quite brilliant. of course, Jackman's contribution
sounds deceptively the same as "Renunciate"
(only with the shakahuchi pot'd down a tad)
from "Submission" (United Dairies).
hasta. --dk
Yes. Beautiful, wonderful nature. Hear it sing to us: *snap* Yes. natURE.
- -
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Date: Mon, 12 Jul 1999 05:19:02 EDT
From: Dgasque@aol.com
Subject: Re: some downtowners go pop
In a message dated 7/11/99 3:48:20 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
jzitt@metatronpress.com writes:
<< About that time, my friends guessed that I
had "the world's largest collection of records that sounded like
vacuum cleaner malfunctions"; I will gladly cede that title to anyone
who has more than one Illusion of Safety disc :-) >>
How about someone owning multiple Merzbow discs?
=dg=
- -
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Date: Mon, 12 Jul 1999 05:19:02 EDT
From: Dgasque@aol.com
Subject: Re: Email Legislation
In a message dated 7/9/99 11:33:33 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
felonious_punk@hotmail.com writes:
<< The U.S. Postal Service is claiming that
lost revenue due to the proliferation of email is
costing nearly $230,000,000 in revenue per year. >>
Apples and oranges When the powers that be discover how to use the 'Net to
de/re-materialize a Christmas-season fruit cake, THEN the USPS can start
bitching...;-)
=dg=
- -
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Date: Mon, 12 Jul 1999 05:18:58 EDT
From: Dgasque@aol.com
Subject: Re: pop (was: downtowners...)
In a message dated 7/8/99 6:18:33 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
c123018@hotmail.com writes:
<<
For those of you who like the outrageousness of, say, Zorn's Naked City or
CAT O' NINE TAILS, or Mr. Bungle, and for those of you who can appreciate
his comments about geeting to the marrow of a genre and subverting, or
better---coaxing it forth; to you, I suggest the John Spencer Blues
Explosion. Not exactly cutting-edge news, but more fun than this too-young
fogey has had in a while with pop. Damn. Too bad I haven't seen them live.
>>
Years ago I stumbled across a JSBE video playing on USA network one Friday
night/Saturday morning, in-between a couple of those insane "Up All Night"
movies. Had never heard the band before, but that video put me on a mission
to discover more. Amazing amount of energy outta that band. Highly
recommended.
spinning: Cardiacs meet Camp Blackfoot (split single)
A bit about this single- I know all of you love and adore Cardiacs, so i'll
skip on them (a band that happens to adore JZ- there's your Zorn content...)
I happen to be listening to the Camp Blackfoot songs now, which I must say is
pretty darn good stuff. These guys have been listening to their Naked City
CDs, without a doubt- that and showing a lot of affection for some of the
crazy punkjazz of which the Amphetamine Reptile label was so famous for in
the 80's. You London-based people ought to check this band out before they
make it big and hit Peel's show...;-)
=dg=
- -
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Date: Mon, 12 Jul 1999 11:57:55 +0200 (MEST)
From: BJOERN <bjoern.eichstaedt@student.uni-tuebingen.de>
Subject: Re: Karlheinz Stockhausen
> where do i begin when it comes to Karlheinz Stockhausen? can any one give
> me some info on where to start w/ albums and whatnot? i've never heard
> anything by him yet. i can't find anyone i know who's ever even heard of
> him.
get the one cd version of AUS DEN SIEBEN TAGEN- great starting point
BJOERN
- -
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Date: Mon, 12 Jul 1999 07:51:30 -0500
From: "Robert A. Pleshar" <rpleshar@midway.uchicago.edu>
Subject: Re: More KISS!!!!!
I have to point out that "Back in the New York Groove" along with "Cold
Gin" are Ace Frehley compositions and wasn't "Beth" written by Peter
Criscula (he should have never changed his name) and Bob Ezrin? That would
probably disqualify these tunes from the Chaim Witz and Stanley Eisen disc.
I definitely agree someone must do "Lick It Up" though. My fave post-makeup
removal tune.
At 10:46 PM 7/9/99 -0400, Joseph Zitt wrote:
>On Fri, Jul 09, 1999 at 11:41:44PM +0000, uranus musickness wrote:
>> So what would you think a good lineup would be?
>
>The Boredoms: Rock and Roll All Nite
>Zohar: Beth
>Shelley Hirsch & the Invisible Scratch Pickles: New York Groove
>Y.Eye and SXL: I Was Made For Loving You
>Anthony Braxton: World Without Heroes
>Carl Stone and Malcolm Goldstein: Lick It Up
>Masada String Ensemble: God Gave Rock and Roll to You
>
>(BTW, I ran across a frighteningly complete site, with complete shows
>in RealAudio, etc, at http://www.kissvault.com/ )
>
>Starting to miss my complete set of solo albums...
>
>--
>| jzitt@metatronpress.com http://www.metatronpress.com/~jzitt |
>| Latest Solo CD: Gentle Entropy http://www.mp3.com/josephzitt |
>| Comma: Voices of New Music Silence: the John Cage Discussion List |
>
>-
>
Robert Pleshar
Head, Serial Orders
University of Chicago Library
1100 E. 57th Street
Chicago, IL 60637
- -
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Date: Mon, 12 Jul 1999 07:54:30 -0500
From: "Robert A. Pleshar" <rpleshar@midway.uchicago.edu>
Subject: Re: some downtowners go pop
I remember an interview at the time the movie came out with Harry Shearer
in which he said something like "I realized when watching the band Saxon
that if you played a lot of "e"s you could pump your left fist in the air
dramatically alot.
I think there's a lesson there for all bass players, really.
Rob
At 01:25 AM 7/10/99 -0400, Steve Smith wrote:
>Joseph Zitt wrote:
>
>> For that matter, while I was already a fan of Charlie Haden and
>> Jamaaladeen Tacuma, the player who finally convinced me to pick up
>> the bass was ... Derek Smalls.
>
>Good Lord, I wasn't expecting my Peter Criss revelation to be so soundly
>trounced in just one day...
>
>"The bigger the waistband / The deeper the quicksand / Or so I have read..."
>
>Steve Smith
>ssmith36@sprynet.com
>NP - 'Clerks' (just acquired on DVD this evening...)
>
>
>-
>
Robert Pleshar
Head, Serial Orders
University of Chicago Library
1100 E. 57th Street
Chicago, IL 60637
- -
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Date: Mon, 12 Jul 1999 09:03:08 EDT
From: Dgasque@aol.com
Subject: Re: Kuryokhin
In a message dated 7/12/99 12:29:12 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
d028932c@dc.seflin.org writes:
<< Is anyone familiar with Sergey Kuryokhin, any recommendations, important
recordings, suggestions? >>
_The Ways of Freedom_ was his first for Leo Records...probably the most
stunning solo piano work i've ever heard. 'Tis a great place to start. The
4 CD box set on Leo comprises his second LP, half the LP he did with
Valentina Ponomareva on her first Leo, the double LP _Subway Culture_
(w/Boris Gerebenschikov), and one of the Popular Mechanics group LPs (sorry
about the missing titles...), as well as unreleased material, is also worth
the plunge IMO, despite the mixed reviews the set rx'ed when first released.
=dg=
- -
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Date: Mon, 12 Jul 1999 06:35:37 -0700
From: s~Z <mcmullenm@vcss.k12.ca.us>
Subject: Re: Uncivil Glass [was Re: some downtowners go pop]
s~Z wrote:
>
> What do you think of Ensemble Modern's 18M?
Steve Smith wrote:
>
> How different could it actually be from Reich's own
> recordings?
The differences are minimal, but a few things stand out to my ears. It
sounds warmer, less mechanical, and the mallet percussion are slightly
more prominent in the mix. And the vocals are a bit more melancholic,
plaintive.
- -
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Date: Mon, 12 Jul 1999 10:11:40 -0400
From: "Zachary J. Griffin" <zgriffin@iconn.net>
Subject: Re:music to empty parties by
This isn't music oriented. But we are talking about clearing out
parties. I have a friend who wanted to end a party he was hosting. So
he calls everyone to his living room to "check out something" he had on
videotape. That "something" turns out to be the "SQUEAL LIKE A
PIG---SOOWEEE" scene from Deliverance. Within 30 seconds you hear 15
people say "ah, we have to go". Everyone else just started laughing.
Zach
- -
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Date: Mon, 12 Jul 1999 10:40:45 -0400
From: Joseph Zitt <jzitt@metatronpress.com>
Subject: Re: Email Legislation
On Mon, Jul 12, 1999 at 05:19:02AM -0400, Dgasque@aol.com wrote:
> Apples and oranges When the powers that be discover how to use the 'Net to
> de/re-materialize a Christmas-season fruit cake, THEN the USPS can start
> bitching...;-)
And the rematerializing part is optional...
- --
| jzitt@metatronpress.com http://www.metatronpress.com/~jzitt |
| Latest Solo CD: Gentle Entropy http://www.mp3.com/josephzitt |
| Comma: Voices of New Music Silence: the John Cage Discussion List |
- -
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Date: Mon, 12 Jul 1999 09:15:48 -0700 (PDT)
From: Peter Risser <knucklehead000@yahoo.com>
Subject: Kirk
A little late but:
You can hear Roland Kirk blow some nice straight-up jazz on his disc
Introducing from 196?. Also, he worked with Quincy Jones' band for a
while too. I've got him on the soundtrack for In the Heat of the Night
and even Big Band Bossa Nova.
Peter
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Date: Mon, 12 Jul 1999 10:00:16 -0700
From: "Patrice L. Roussel" <proussel@ichips.intel.com>
Subject: Re: some downtowners go pop
On Sun, 11 Jul 1999 11:47:03 -0400 Joseph Zitt wrote:
>
> I'm reminded of a conversation I had with another composer/group-leader
> recently. She said that it was often much easier to teach her music to
> older (40+) workshoppers, etc, than to those in high school and college,
> since by then the people had often dropped much of the genre-related
> tunnel visions and become more open to a wider rangle of musics.
>
> I find that only now (at 40) am I starting to clue into what was good
> about musics I'd ignored or dissed in college.
Unfortunately, most of the great music (and science) ever written (done)
was done by kids (less than 30 year old).
Knowing a lot and being wise might help to appreciate the works of others,
but does not seem to have played any significant role in explaning why
most the amazing achievements were made by very young people (who often
knew much less than their elders and were not as wise).
Maybe age helps regular people, but it does not seem to have any impact
(except negative) on geniuses.
Patrice (not trying to generalize but...)
- -
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