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From: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com (Zorn List Digest)
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Subject: Zorn List Digest V2 #701
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Zorn List Digest Wednesday, July 7 1999 Volume 02 : Number 701
In this issue:
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Re: E-Mail Legislation
Re: Email Legislation
Ponga
Looking for help... AUBE cd wanted
Re: Partch
Re: Looking for help... AUBE cd wanted
A Real Live Zorn 'n' Tonic
Re: Email Legislation
Holly Palmer
Re: Cecil Taylor at 70
Re: Where's Steve Smith Been? [was Re: shannon jackson]
Dave Douglas MP3 at rollingstone.com
Re: Record collections/Reviewing
apology for email legislation
Re: Reviewing/collecting (longish)
Re: A Real Live Zorn 'n' Tonic
Re: Where's Steve Smith Been? [was Re: shannon jackson]
Re: Reviewing/collecting (longish)
Re: A Real Live Zorn 'n' Tonic
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Date: Tue, 6 Jul 1999 12:30:44 -0700
From: Herb Levy <herb@eskimo.com>
Subject: Re: E-Mail Legislation
This is a hoax; total bullshit, the legislators and attorney's listed by
name do not exist, no bill in the US Congress has this identifier number.
See this URL for more info on this one (about the fifth one down) & many
more: <http://urbanlegends.tqn.com/library/blhoax.htm>
Herb Levy
herb@eskimo.com
- -
------------------------------
Date: Tue, 6 Jul 1999 15:25:24 EDT
From: TagYrIt@aol.com
Subject: Re: Email Legislation
This is a scam, it is NOT real!!!
In a message dated 7/6/99 2:48:31 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
nonintention@hotmail.com writes:
<< um... thought i'd send this to people. it scares me.
-samuel yrui
>Here's another bit about the Email Legislation...
>
>Dear Internet Subscriber:
>
>Please read the following carefully if you intend to
>stay online and continue using email: The last few
>months have revealed an alarming trend in the
>Government of the United States attempting to quietly
>push through legislation that will affect your use of
>the Internet. >>
- -
------------------------------
Date: Tue, 6 Jul 1999 12:54:26 -0700
From: "starke" <starke@loosegroove.com>
Subject: Ponga
re:Ponga
Nice to hear good words on Ponga on the list. The Seattle show with
Unit33(Palmer's other band) was great mindblowing stuff. The whole band went
OFF for almost 2hours non stop, incredible show. They recorded the show and
a bunch of studio stuff for a new LP and to suppliment a remix cd that is
comming out soon-ish. There is even rummor of a west coast tour !
richard/loosegroove
- -
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Date: Tue, 6 Jul 1999 21:45:04 +0200
From: "Stefan Verstraeten" <stefan.annik@planetinternet.be>
Subject: Looking for help... AUBE cd wanted
Dear Zornies
For a few months allready, I am looking for a cd by AUBE called 'Infinitely
Orbit'. It was released on the alchemy label (japan).
I have been looking everywhere, wrote to quite some ditributors, but i
allways got the same response.... OUT OF PRINT.
So, does anyone on this list ownes this cd (or knows someons that has this
cd), please let me know. I'd like to buy his or her original copy or even a
cd-r or minidisc copy.
Help would be appreciated.
Best wishes
Stefan
- -
------------------------------
Date: Tue, 06 Jul 1999 15:56:57 -0400
From: David Beardsley <xouoxno@virtulink.com>
Subject: Re: Partch
Martin_Wisckol@link.freedom.com (Martin Wisckol) writes on Partch:
> >"Caleb T. Deupree" <cdeupree@erinet.com> wrote: writes:
> > The maverick American composer Harry Partch, for
> >> example, divided the octave into 43 steps, and built his own
> >instruments to
> >> play his music.
>
> Perhaps I'm splitting hairs, but it would be more accurate to say that
> Partch STOPPED at 43 tones per octave. Many of the instruments have
> fewer pitches per octave. The increase in the number came from Partch's
> inclusion of higher harmonic offspring in the octave. With Partch's
> approach, you could add pitches to the octave indefinitely.
If you're going to split hairs, you should be a bit more accurate
in your terminology. Partch used an 11 limit tuning on
his instruments and in his tunings. However, he did theorize
13 limit tuning (diagram 28, page 454, Genesis of a Music) and
17 limit tuning (pages 123-125, Enclosure 3).
Now that we have split ends, this disscussion really belongs
on the Tuning list at Onelist.com. They really chop it fine.
- --
* D a v i d B e a r d s l e y
* xouoxno@virtulink.com
*
* J u x t a p o s i t i o n E z i n e
* M E L A v i r t u a l d r e a m house monitor
*
* http://www.virtulink.com/immp/lookhere.htm
- -
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Date: Tue, 6 Jul 1999 13:43:13 -0700 (PDT)
From: SUGAR in their vitamins? <yol@esophagus.com>
Subject: Re: Looking for help... AUBE cd wanted
On Tue, 6 Jul 1999, Stefan Verstraeten wrote:
> For a few months allready, I am looking for a cd by AUBE called 'Infinitely
> Orbit'. It was released on the alchemy label (japan).
>
> I have been looking everywhere, wrote to quite some ditributors, but i
> allways got the same response.... OUT OF PRINT.
have you tried contacting Amoeba Records in Berkeley?
last time i was there (a month ago) they had
a copy for sale - $18.99 USD.
www.amoebamusic.com
alternately, you might wanna also try Aquarius Records.
Allan is very into the Japanese bands and
has been able to track down a number of things for
me. and they do mailorder.
aquarius.bianca.com
good luck.
hasta.
Yes. Beautiful, wonderful nature. Hear it sing to us: *snap* Yes. natURE.
- -
------------------------------
Date: Tue, 6 Jul 1999 18:05:20 -0500 (CDT)
From: Charles Gillett <gill0042@tc.umn.edu>
Subject: A Real Live Zorn 'n' Tonic
According to my Tonic mailing and a comment from someone here, Zorn
will be playing "The Classic Guide To Strategy" tonight (actually, the
Tonic mailing says "The Classical Guide To Strategy"). Does anyone
know what exactly this might mean? I could see him using it as a
general term for one of his solo concerts--does anyone remember the
last one he did? I recall him stating that volume three of "The
Classic Guide To Strategy" was to be solo alto saxophone, but that he
didn't feel confident enough in his abilities at that time to record
it. Perhaps he does now, after all the regular playing with Masada?
I ask so enthusiastically because I like Zorn's early work, the
conceptual music and the explorations of solo music. I like Masada,
but most of the recent work of Zorn The Composer ends up being a few
nice tunes and not much else for me. As I look at the 35-40 Zorn CDs
I've amassed over the past few years, I'm somewhat chagrined to realize
that I really only like a few of them beyond the Masada discs, and I've
reached my saturation level with Masada (haven't gotten the Taipei set,
and I probably won't unless I get it as a gift).
A little solo work would do him good in my opinion. I look forward
to a review from one of you insightful folks.
While I'm at it, could people trim the fat from their replies?
Scrolling through three pages of stuff I've already read to see "Yeah,
me too" or the equivalent at the end is annoying.
- -- Charles
- -
------------------------------
Date: Tue, 6 Jul 1999 18:36:57 EDT
From: Dgasque@aol.com
Subject: Re: Email Legislation
In a message dated 7/6/99 2:48:31 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
nonintention@hotmail.com writes:
<< Bill 602P will permit
>the Federal Govt to charge a 5 cent surcharge on
>every email delivered, by billing Internet Service
>Providers at source. >>
This is the key to this piece of BS, which makes the rounds every few months
or so.
Bills originating in the House follow this number scheme: HRxxxx, where the
"xxxx" is the bill number.
Bills originating in the Senate follow the same scheme: SRxxxx.
IIRC (and it's been a long time since my college government classes...),
taxation bills *must* start in the House.
Can you imagine having to pay tax on the spam you receive?
=dg=
- -
------------------------------
Date: Tue, 06 Jul 1999 16:25:46 PDT
From: ajda snyder <freequeen@hotmail.com>
Subject: Holly Palmer
Hello again, Zorn list. I, too, was disappointed in that Holly Palmer
record. I bought it because of Frisell, but no matter how good he may be -
the disc still sucked. Good thing it was like $1.99. I had no clue she had
anything to do with the downtown scene, and figured Frisell was merely a
label ploy for marquee value.
Ajda the Turkish Queen
_______________________________________________________________
Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com
- -
------------------------------
Date: Tue, 06 Jul 1999 20:20:50 -0400
From: Steve Smith <ssmith36@sprynet.com>
Subject: Re: Cecil Taylor at 70
Rich Williams wrote:
> Has Anyone seen a well mixed, well presented CT gig?
Yes, just once... the solo concert he gave at Alice Tully Hall on his 65th
birthday. Magnificent. I also remember the sound balances at the Cooler for
the collaboration with Thurston and Surgal to have been pretty fine. And the
trio with Duval and Krall was presented in exemplary sound at the Village
Vanguard a few years ago, but the trio itself hadn't really gelled into
anything you'd want to write home about. My wife at the time was with me at
that show and it soured her on any future involvement with Cecil...
Steve Smith
smsith36@sprynet.com
- -
------------------------------
Date: Tue, 06 Jul 1999 20:25:17 -0400
From: Steve Smith <ssmith36@sprynet.com>
Subject: Re: Where's Steve Smith Been? [was Re: shannon jackson]
s~Z wrote:
> My wife can't stand listening to the likes of Cecil Taylor on
> recordings, but put her next to me in the front row face to face with
> the master and her mouth's hanging open and she's covered with
> gooseflesh. She thoroughly enjoys every performance I (no longer have
> to) drag her to.
Now THAT'S worth bragging about!
Steve Smith
ssmith36@sprynet.com
- -
------------------------------
Date: Tue, 6 Jul 1999 22:10:09 -0400
From: Joseph Zitt <jzitt@metatronpress.com>
Subject: Dave Douglas MP3 at rollingstone.com
- ----- Forwarded message from "RollingStone.com Update" <RollingStone.com_Update@tunes.revnetexpress.net> -----
[snip]
Dave Douglas Quartet - "Everyman"
http://www.rollingstone.com/sections/dds/text/members/recording.asp?afl=mail1&Artist=1959&RecID=3208
- --
| jzitt@metatronpress.com http://www.metatronpress.com/~jzitt |
| Latest Solo CD: Gentle Entropy http://www.mp3.com/josephzitt |
| Comma: Voices of New Music Silence: the John Cage Discussion List |
- -
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Date: Tue, 06 Jul 1999 23:01:48 -0400
From: Mike Chamberlain <mikec@rocler.qc.ca>
Subject: Re: Record collections/Reviewing
Ken Waxman wrote:
>
> I'm even older than Martin and dabbled in the voodoo of album reviewing
> for 20-odd years, besides my regular editing/writing jobs, but
> had to give it up for a couple of reasons.
>
> 1)Your idea of what is a worthwhile record to review usually differs from
> the publication wants
Depends who you're writing for. I get far more CDs than I have room to
review, and my editor gives me carte blanche.
>and what the record company is pushing.
Again, I'm not obligated to review all the shite that comes my way.
Thus you
> end up writing about stuff you really wouldn't want to listen to some
> (often, most) of the time and have to wade through acres of second rate
> sessions all the time.
This is definitely an occupational hazard. Not to mention the way in
which you become mercenary in your listening habits.
>
> 2)More seriously, I couldn't "just write about stuff I liked", which Martin
> said he did. To me that may add to your record collection, by not pissing
> off your record company source, but it's a disservice to your readers. If
> averything is an unqualified rave (like the work of certain reviewers),
Name them, please. I don't know who you're talking about.
And there's a huge difference between an unqualified rave and a
qualified rave, and a qualified dis, and an unqualified dis. Stuff I
really hate I don't generally review, except to run up the flag every
once in a while or to get some musician whose work I don't like to stop
bothering me to review his/her CD. I'm chicken-hearted enough to tend
not to give bad reviews to work by locals; my silence is my
condemnation.
> than everything is suspect because *no one* maks masterpieces every time
> out. Sometimes, in fact, arists you like create a session that isn't
> that good. To refrain from warning people abouit it (as well as other,
> lesser efforts) you've sentencing them to spend their hard-earned cash on
> something that isn't worth it.
No, that's something that they sentence themselves to.
If my readers pay attention to what I write, they might legitimately
assume that if I don't write about something, then it's not worth
plunking down cash for. (Excluding, of course, the wonderful music out
there that doesn't get sent to me.) This involves building up a track
record, which takes time. It's only over time that the audience can get
a sense of what a particular reviewer is all about and come to trust his
judgment or not.
- --Mike
- -
------------------------------
Date: Tue, 06 Jul 1999 23:03:00 CDT
From: samuel yrui <nonintention@hotmail.com>
Subject: apology for email legislation
Hey,
sorry listers. i am relatively email/net naive so i do not know how to
recognize hoaxes. i was genuinly frightened by it and felt a slight
responsibility to send the information on to others. i'll have to tell a
few other people that it's a hoax, as well as the person who sent it to me.
(who wouldn't have sent it to me if he had known, i am pretty sure.) also,
sorry to m. rizzi. i thought the news was alarming enough to permit a
subject breach. it won't happen again.
-samuel yrui
_______________________________________________________________
Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com
- -
------------------------------
Date: Wed, 7 Jul 1999 01:20:18 -0400
From: "brazen stupidity" <angyr-@geocities.com>
Subject: Re: Reviewing/collecting (longish)
I suppose I'll throw my hat in. At the moment, I'm listeing to the
Vandermark 5's Simpatico with the intetion of reviewing it. I write for a
biggish independant music magazine (Ink19) and I'm wondering if i can do
this disc justice. I'm but a wee 17 year old, and I'm faced with the dilemna
of lettiing this cd go to someone else who (most likely) knows more about
jazz than me, or just to step up, and try to feel this one out. I'm going
with the latter, but I hesitiate, and think, "Shouldn't I try to give the
artist the best exposure I can?" Ah well, lets hope no one can see through
my paltry attempts at music journalism.
Something else: I just picked up the split Organum/Eddie Prevost-
Flayed/Crux LP. This being my introduction to Prevost, should I expect
similar with AMM? That is, monstruosly thick music with intense precussion,
with dense instrumentation?
Cheers,
Nirav
- --
OnNow- Vandermark 5- Simpatico
"Don't try to make me consistent. I am learning all the time." - R.
Buckminster Fuller
- -
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Date: Wed, 7 Jul 1999 01:23:58 EDT
From: IOUaLive1@aol.com
Subject: Re: A Real Live Zorn 'n' Tonic
In a message dated 7/6/99 7:07:25 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
gill0042@tc.umn.edu writes:
> According to my Tonic mailing and a comment from someone here, Zorn
> will be playing "The Classic Guide To Strategy" tonight (actually, the
> Tonic mailing says "The Classical Guide To Strategy"). Does anyone
> know what exactly this might mean? I could see him using it as a
> general term for one of his solo concerts--does anyone remember the
> last one he did?
I think he did a solo concert about a year (maybe two) ago at the Knit.
Anyhow, the show at Tonic last night was very good (especially if you like to
roast). I can't say there were any surprises, I think we all know what Zorn
sounds like. He did two short sets, and on the second, he did a couple of
improv pieces with a Japanese female pianist (cannot remember her name, but
she played at Tonic last week). Then he did a couple of improv pieces with
Ravi Coltrane on soprano sax. It sounded great to me, and it's only the
third time Ive heard him play duo with another saxophonist, but first with a
soprano. I'm not at all familiar with Ravi Coltrane, but I would have liked
to have stayed for his set, because I know the caliber of the musicians that
he was playing with. Instead I caught the late set at the Internet Cafe
with Ellery Eskelin and William Parker, which was also very good. First time
seeing William and he is impressive.
- -Jody
- -
------------------------------
Date: Wed, 7 Jul 1999 07:49:19 -0400
From: "Heather and Jeff" <hijk@gateway.net>
Subject: Re: Where's Steve Smith Been? [was Re: shannon jackson]
- --->> My wife can't stand listening to the likes of Cecil Taylor on
>> recordings, but put her next to me in the front row face to face with
>> the master and her mouth's hanging open and she's covered with
>> gooseflesh. She thoroughly enjoys every performance I (no longer have
>> to) drag her to.
>
My wife had the exact same reaction to Zorn when I took her to see the last
Cobra at the old Knit!!!!
Jeff
- -
------------------------------
Date: Wed, 7 Jul 1999 08:25:43 EDT
From: TagYrIt@aol.com
Subject: Re: Reviewing/collecting (longish)
In a message dated 7/7/99 1:26:47 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
angyr-@geocities.com writes:
<< I write for a
biggish independant music magazine (Ink19) and I'm wondering if i can do
this disc justice. I'm but a wee 17 year old, and I'm faced with the dilemna
of lettiing this cd go to someone else who (most likely) knows more about
jazz than me, or just to step up, and try to feel this one out. >>
Nirav,
If you feel you've reached a comfortable opinion with whatever you've chosen
to write about/review, I say go ahead and do it!! I spent several years in
college in the situation you're in now, and from my point of view, I would
LOVE to see a review by someone younger, because the frequently give me some
insight into something I'm not familiar with. By all means go for it!!
Dale.
- -
------------------------------
Date: Wed, 07 Jul 1999 12:08:33 -0400
From: "Zachary J. Griffin" <zgriffin@iconn.net>
Subject: Re: A Real Live Zorn 'n' Tonic
Charles: If you went to the show last night, you don't need to read this.
The show was a partially solo saxophone show. He did a solo set that was
great. It was based on the Classic Guide to Strategy. He took a break
after about 30-40 minutes. He came back and played in a duo with a piano
player (I never got the woman's name). The music was good, beautiful
stuff. Then he traded sax riffs with Ravi Coltrane. They did improv for
two pieces. That was great. I can't say how Ravi Coltrane's 10pm set was,
because I was unable to stay. I am unable to answer your other
questions. Hopefully, someone on this list can help you out.
The List: Did anyone on the list catch the name of the piano player last
night at Tonic?
Zach
Charles Gillett wrote:
> According to my Tonic mailing and a comment from someone here, Zorn
> will be playing "The Classic Guide To Strategy" tonight (actually, the
> Tonic mailing says "The Classical Guide To Strategy"). Does anyone
> know what exactly this might mean? I could see him using it as a
> general term for one of his solo concerts--does anyone remember the
> last one he did? I recall him stating that volume three of "The
> Classic Guide To Strategy" was to be solo alto saxophone, but that he
> didn't feel confident enough in his abilities at that time to record
> it. Perhaps he does now, after all the regular playing with Masada?
>
> I ask so enthusiastically because I like Zorn's early work, the
> conceptual music and the explorations of solo music. I like Masada,
> but most of the recent work of Zorn The Composer ends up being a few
> nice tunes and not much else for me. As I look at the 35-40 Zorn CDs
> I've amassed over the past few years, I'm somewhat chagrined to realize
> that I really only like a few of them beyond the Masada discs, and I've
> reached my saturation level with Masada (haven't gotten the Taipei set,
> and I probably won't unless I get it as a gift).
>
> A little solo work would do him good in my opinion. I look forward
> to a review from one of you insightful folks.
>
> While I'm at it, could people trim the fat from their replies?
> Scrolling through three pages of stuff I've already read to see "Yeah,
> me too" or the equivalent at the end is annoying.
>
> -- Charles
>
> -
- -
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