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Zorn List Digest        Saturday, June 12 1999        Volume 02 : Number 674



In this issue:
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       Re: Question regarding $4.95 CD site
       Re: Question regarding $4.95 CD site
       Re: music zorn likes
       Re: music zorn likes
       Re: music zorn likes
       Naked City's "Radio" CD FS ...
       Re: music zorn likes
       Re: touring French "jazz" bands
       Uri Caine Trio, Myra Melford & Marty Ehrlich duets in  Philly concerts
       Re: suggestions (Re: Zorn List Digest V2 #670)
       Re: music zorn likes
       Re: ESP again?
       Re: music zorn likes
       Re: jeanne lee
       $4.95, too good to be true??

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Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1999 16:47:26 EDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: Question regarding $4.95 CD site

In a message dated 6/10/99 10:50:02 AM Eastern Daylight Time, [e-mail]
writes:

<< I know I can often be dense with this type of thing, but I've found
 navigating this site to be a pain in the ass. Can anyone tell me if they
know
 of a way to be able to add discs to the shopping cart, and then return to
the
 original list you're working from? For example, if I've called up all of
 their Zorn holdings, by the time I click on a selection and then add that to
 the cart, I've had to re-enter "Zorn" into their search engine and wait for
 them all to be loaded again. Also, is there a way to scan down all of their
 jazz holdings, instead of searching by specific artists? >>

The best way to manuver the site between the list(s) and your cart is with
the browser's "back" key from what I can tell.  I have not been able to
narrow down the list(s) by anything other than artist a/o title keywords.
You may have also guessed that the search engine is a crude one at best.  You
must use Boolean symbols in order to limit searches (King+Crimson), else the
engine only picks up the first word.

=dgasque=

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Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1999 17:42:02 +0100
From: Nils Jacobson <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Question regarding $4.95 CD site

[e-mail] wrote:

> I know I can often be dense with this type of thing, but I've found
> navigating this site to be a pain in the ass. Can anyone tell me if they know
> of a way to be able to add discs to the shopping cart, and then return to the
> original list you're working from?

the only way i've figured out to do this is to apple-click on the link
for individual cds, which allows you to add them to the shopping cart in
a new window, while maintaining the old window for making further
selections.  pc-users can right-mouse or whatever kind of nonsense they do.

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Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1999 16:45:31 -0500
From: Eric Saidel <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: music zorn likes

> 1. I read the NEW YORKER article and wondered if Zorn had ever read anything
> Kaplan had written before, and why he'd agreed to do an interview with
> _him_.  BTW, I found it to be a great intro article, but still...after that
> long a silence, you'd think...

I imagine that it was more of a profile/intro article and not in-depth
had to do more with what the editors at the New Yorker wanted than with
Kaplan.  Perhaps the idea of having a profile of himself in a major
magazine appealed to Zorn.  It can only get him new fans; the more
in-depth article that might appeal to us may have significantly less
appeal for Zorn, after all, he does have reasons (presumably) for being
media shy.

>
> 2. This may be an unfashionable question, but aside from the fact that he
> stole a bunch of records as a kid, how does Zorn have the cash to be owning
> 32,000 records?  Is he that popular?  I mean, isn't it expensive just to
> _exist_ in NYC?

According to a friend who lurks in these parts, he makes lots of money
from writing music for commercials.

I was disappointed (perhaps not the right word) at the size of his book
collection (2000 books), although more so at the implication that that's
a lot of books.

- - eric



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Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1999 17:58:21 EDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: music zorn likes

In a message dated 6/11/99 12:54:04 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
[e-mail] writes:

>
>  He's big in Japan.

Yea, but they'll buy anything.

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Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1999 15:07:50 -0700
From: "Patrice L. Roussel" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: music zorn likes

On Fri, 11 Jun 1999 16:45:31 -0500  Eric Saidel wrote:
>
> I was disappointed (perhaps not the right word) at the size of his book
> collection (2000 books), although more so at the implication that that's
> a lot of books.

Assuming that it takes about 10-20 hours to read a book in average, a ratio
of 10-20 between records and books makes quite a bit of sense to me.

    Patrice.

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Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1999 07:29:27 -0400
From: [e-mail] (Patrick Carey)
Subject: Naked City's "Radio" CD FS ...

Hello ...

Anyone need a copy of Naked City's "Radio"?  I've got
a NEW copy (simply out of the shrinkwrap) FS for $20 US
(POSTAGE PAID in North America - add $2 for overseas).

Drop me a note if interested.


- -Patrick
[e-mail]


more FS at:
http://www.astro.utoronto.ca/~carey/sofa/sale.html



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Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1999 20:37:01 -0400
From: Taylor McLaren <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: music zorn likes

MEEP! Scott Handley <[e-mail]> wrote:
>2. This may be an unfashionable question, but aside from the fact that he
>stole a bunch of records as a kid, how does Zorn have the cash to be owning
>32,000 records?  Is he that popular?  I mean, isn't it expensive just to
>_exist_ in NYC?
Jim Marcus once wrote something about why he buys records primarily because
of their cover art, and went on to say that very few people in the music
industry understand anything about why ordinary folks (like him,
presumably) buy records, apparently because they get all of their music for
free from other people in the industry. And while I'm not going to go along
with his blanket condemnation for anything more than a laugh, it's probably
worth considering that somebody who runs as (relatively) high-profile a
(diverse) label as Tzadik is likely to be deluged with material from
prospective signees; I'd also imagine that more than a few of Meester Z's
weirdo musician friends pass music around as a sort of creative currency,
rather like everybody else does with mix tapes. After all, somebody who
isn't a journalist is bound to get a promo copy of an album every now and
again, right?

- -me


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Date: Sat, 12 Jun 1999 12:43:26 +0200
From: "Hugues Roulon" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: touring French "jazz" bands

>
>Later this month the so-called Toronto Jazz Festival is featuring two
>bands purported to be from France. Since both are featured in "tent"
>shows in this conservative festival, I don't have much hope for anything
>out of the ordinary. But one has to hope, doesn't one.
>
>Anyhow, does anyone in France know anything about:
>
>Prysm, which seems to have an album out on Blue Note (yikes!)and is
>described as "A
>French collective which creates rich tapestries of texture and colour"

Definitly nothing interesting for the improv' fan in Prysm music... It's
classical European Jazz without any creativity.

Cheers,

Hugues

http://www.fennec.digiweb.fr/





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Date: Sat, 12 Jun 1999 08:22:12 -0400
From: Alan Lankin <[e-mail]>
Subject: Uri Caine Trio, Myra Melford & Marty Ehrlich duets in  Philly concerts

Wednesday June 16, 1999 - 8 pm
(Part of the Mellon Jazz Festival)
URI CAINE TRIO

Uri Caine piano, Kenny Davis bass, Ralph Peterson drums
Ethical Society, 19th & Rittenhouse Square,
Philadelphia. $15

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Sunday, June 20, 1999 - 7:30 pm
(Part of the Mellon Jazz Festival)
MYRA MELFORD/MARTY EHRLICH

Myra Melford piano, Marty Ehrlich reeds
Ethical Society, 19th & Rittenhouse Square,
Philadelphia. $15

Sweetnighter Productions concerts.
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Future concerts THIRTEEN WAYS (July 9th, Fred Hersch, Michael Moore,
Gerry Hemingway).

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Date: Sat, 12 Jun 1999 12:19:27 -0500
From: Diego Gruber <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: suggestions (Re: Zorn List Digest V2 #670)

I think it is a great idea to put out some kind of FAQ that could help
us new zornlisters to have some clue about some of the issues most
people here already talking about quite naturally, cause frankly i find
myself lost in at least half of your discussions, but anyway this list
has led me to find great stuff and know about bands that would otherwise
be of complete irrelevance to me. thanks for that people. i know there's
a good zorn faq, but it could get expanded on zorn as well as on other
bands discussed here.

Diego

Scott Handley wrote:
>
> I've found the Zornlist to be a really friendly place, with great "advice",
> almost like a suggestive map of strange new territory, even if that
> "strange" territory is some subverted familiar, like, say, Caetano Veloso.
> I haven't seen anything more than a joke about off-topic-ness in months, I
> think.  This is a good thing.  We trace eraseable boundaries that actually
> serve as nothing more than a description of what's possible.  Now----ahhh!
> Now that I'm done patting my own back I can type faster.
>
> I don't know if it would be a lost cause to make "suggested records" a FAQ,
> w/ taste subjective and all, but it seems we get a fair number of newbies
> (not a good word, by the way, for a list where punks can get into Mauricio
> Kagel and Dumitrescu and jazzbos or avant-guardians can learn about Napalm
> Death or Meshuggah) whose primary exposure is Naked City, Sonic Youth, punk,
> etc.  While these folks bring an amazing quality to the list, they might be
> well-served by a semi-standard FAQ listing some must-have records by some of
> the "luminaries", or labels at least.  For instance, I would direct a
> bebop/freebop fan to Masada.  And I would direct all kinds of people to the
> LJCO, or Evan Parker, or maybe Joe McPhee, who is bad-ass.  It would serve
> as a less "bewildering" introduction, and perhaps brief descriptions from
> list members could be ore helpful than promo gush.
>
> Anyway, I'd be interested to know what ya'll think.
>
> Now, to KruciFly's question:
>
> 1.) Have you checked out Masada?  Bad-ass!
>
> 2.) Amazing Canadian composer/saxist Jean Derome can be seen as the
> Quebecois answer to Zorn, but he isn't nearly as recognized.  I mean
> the _Penguin Guide_ snubs him!  Crazy!  I like his band Dangereux
> Zhoms, which might be akin to Naked City, in some superficial and
> essential ways (the pomo layers and jumpcuts, but slower).  They        have
> a 3-CD box which is fine, though all are available separately.
> Derome also has an album of "ballet" music, rather quiet, called LA
> BETE, which I adore.  He is brilliant.  A whole circle of brilliant
> improvisor-composers surrounds him, based in Montreal (??).  A  frequent
> collaborator is the brilliant, sick guitarist Rene Lussier, who         has
> a great duo record w/ turntable sicko Martin Tetreault.  All these records
> are on the nifty Ambiances Magnetiques label (www.cam.org/~dame_cd).
>
> 3.) If you like Sonic Youth, perhaps you would enjoy Thurston Moore's free
> improv records w/ and w/out William Hooker?  Or his brand new trio record w/
> amazing saxophonist Evan Parker, who turns the tenor and soprano saxophones
> into columns of fluid sentient vines?  One of my favorite Evan Parker
> records, and a great way in, would be 50th BIRTHDAY CONCERT, a 2CD
> free-improv "masterpiece".  Or the trio record BREATHS AND HEARTBEATS, which
> is absolutely fantastic, IMHO.
>
> 4.) Gyorgy Ligeti, Kryzstof Penderecki, Iancu Dumitrescu, and Bela Bartok
> have all written "concert" music for large and small ensembles that really
> cooks.  The two EMI "Matrix"-series releases for Penderecki are huge insane
> oceans of sound and timbre, ranging from the inauduble to the deafening.  A
> lot of it scares me.  A bargain trip to hell.
>
> 5.) Peter Brotzmann also seems to know something about hell.  A
> tenor-playing harbinger of doom and R&B, known for his all-out 1968 assault,
> MACHINE GUN.  I like his Die Like a Dog Quartet, which really slips into a
> strange kind of "groove".  Definitely free improv.  I was so blown away by
> his duo w/ drummer Andrew Cyrille in Atlanta, I was screaming.  (Charles
> Mingus' reaction to seeing the Ellington band for the first time, BTW...)
>
> 6.) I love Tim Berne, saxist/composer.  His FULTON STREET MAUL is a great
> record, but my fave are the first three Bloocount records on JMT, which are
> pretty much out of print (though you should check out his Screwgun label' s
> website for cool stuff).  Huge, long compositions with noise, space, silence
> and groove.
>
> Those are just some things I like.
>
> -----s
>
> >From: [e-mail]
> >hello. i'm new on the list.
> >i am all but completely lost on the musical subjects you continually
> >discuss.
>
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Date: Sat, 12 Jun 1999 17:09:14 -0400 (EDT)
From: Jeni Dahmus <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: music zorn likes

> 2. This may be an unfashionable question, but aside from the fact that he
> stole a bunch of records as a kid, how does Zorn have the cash to be owning
> 32,000 records?  Is he that popular?  I mean, isn't it expensive just to
> _exist_ in NYC?

Yes, he is that popular.  You may not realize how much composers of his
stature get paid for commissions.

Jeni



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Date: Sat, 12 Jun 1999 19:24:47 -0400
From: Lang Thompson <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: ESP again?

>June issue of Jazziz, Via was planning to reissue the first 10 ESP-Disk
>recordings chronologically in April, but it seems that they missed the


I saw this the day after the post (mainly because it's hard to find Jazziz
around here without the CD; if the disc reflected more of the editorial
content I would welcome it but who needs more schlock jazz?).  Wonder if
the "first 10" includes the learn Esperanto album?  And wonder if they'll
be as low-priced as the ZYX ones?  And wonder if this will ever come to pass?


LT
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Lang Thompson
http://www.tcf.ua.edu/wlt4

Singapore Film Fest at World Cinema Review
http://www.tcf.ua.edu/wlt4/wcr.htm


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Lang Thompson
http://www.tcf.ua.edu/wlt4

Singapore Film Fest at World Cinema Review
http://www.tcf.ua.edu/wlt4/wcr.htm


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Date: Sat, 12 Jun 1999 19:38:32 -0500
From: Eric Saidel <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: music zorn likes

Taylor McLaren wrote:

> Jim Marcus once wrote something about why he buys records primarily because
> of their cover art, and went on to say that very few people in the music
> industry understand anything about why ordinary folks (like him,
> presumably) buy records, apparently because they get all of their music for
> free from other people in the industry.

There's probably a lot of truth in this.  (Although I can't imagine that
many people who buy plenty of records or who care what the people in the
industry think/do/say/etc. buy records because of their cover art.)
Alex Ross - classical music critic of the New Yorker summed it up quite
nicely in his review of the recent multi-disc set (like 100) of the best
piano recordings: many critical notices read like thank you letters to
the labels for the free cds.

> And while I'm not going to go along
> with his blanket condemnation for anything more than a laugh, it's probably
> worth considering that somebody who runs as (relatively) high-profile a
> (diverse) label as Tzadik is likely to be deluged with material from
> prospective signees; I'd also imagine that more than a few of Meester Z's
> weirdo musician friends pass music around as a sort of creative currency,
> rather like everybody else does with mix tapes. After all, somebody who
> isn't a journalist is bound to get a promo copy of an album every now and
> again, right?

I bet this is right, although I can't imagine a significant proportion
of Zorn's collection comes from prospective signees.  More probably
comes from other artists who want to share their work.  Even so, he
probably had to buy a lot before he reached that stature.  And even
casual listening shows just how big his ears are - we could have figured
that he has an enormous collection just by listening to his music.

- - eric



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Date: Sat, 12 Jun 1999 21:46:02 -0400
From: Rick Lopez <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: jeanne lee

> Dante Sawyer wrote:
>
> try to find a copy of conspiracy!. i think it was issued on two labels:
> earthform and seed. it's hard to find but worth it. features hampel, sam
> rivers, dave holland, and others. pretty killing.

Actually it's the Earthform label, select # Seeds 5.

Just back from Moab,
RL

- --
Marilyn Crispell, Susie Ibarra, William Parker, Sam Rivers, Matthew Shipp,
David S. Ware, and Reggie Workman Discographies--Samuel Beckett
Eulogy--Baseball & the 10,000 Things--Time Stops--LOVETORN--HARD BOIL--etc.,
at: http://www.velocity.net/~bb10k

***Very Various Music For Sale:
***http://www.velocity.net/~bb10k/4SALE.html

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Date: Sat, 12 Jun 1999 22:04:09 -0400
From: Rick Lopez <[e-mail]>
Subject: $4.95, too good to be true??

David Jeffrey wrote:
>
> I just received my order - minus one that item marked "s/o" as sold out -
> I was also charged for the out-of-stock item as well.
> Too much risk in this game...

When tis happens you'll usually receive a credit in te list on your CC bill.

Anyway, ordered 10 CDs (9 soulnotes and a Knit) on May 21--
A box was waiting for me, came while I was out of town since last Saturday.

Otay.

Hope this works out for everyone else.


Just back from Moab,
RL


- --
Marilyn Crispell, Susie Ibarra, William Parker, Sam Rivers, Matthew Shipp,
David S. Ware, and Reggie Workman Discographies--Samuel Beckett
Eulogy--Baseball & the 10,000 Things--Time Stops--LOVETORN--HARD BOIL--etc.,
at: http://www.velocity.net/~bb10k

***Very Various Music For Sale:
***http://www.velocity.net/~bb10k/4SALE.html

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