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Zorn List Digest         Tuesday, May 4 1999         Volume 02 : Number 658



In this issue:
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       tom waits
       The Gas Chamber Ensemble/ Tripod in OLYMPIA WASHINGTON
       Re: Zorn List Digest V2 #657
       Re: Zorn List Digest V2 #657
       Tom Waits
       Re: Verge
       pardon
       re: tom waits
       Re: tom waits
       Re: tom waits
       lo tek RA save
       Re: tom waits
       Re: tom waits
       Re: Metheny (was Stanko/Smoker/Hemingway)
       Zorn = "Most Unwanted Music"?
       Re: Zorn = "Most Unwanted Music"?
       Re: Masada/Byron Somerville Theater
       Robert Musso CD
       Re: Verge
       Re: Verge

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Date: Mon, 3 May 1999 17:10:50 EDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: tom waits

Well, i figure i'll get my thoughts in about the new Tom Waits. It's recieved
terrible press saying it's overly sentimental and maudlin. People are saying
that it's pretty much the same thing he's been doing, except this is for a
wider audience. I really have to disagree with all of this, however. Tracks
like The Eyeball Kid and Take It With Me are definitely some highlights in
the Tom Waits Catalogue. Ribot and Cohen aren't on this album very much,
which is sort of dissapointing, but Waits has blues players like Charlie
Musselwhite and John Hammond on the album. I think it's a great, great album.

from,
matt

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Date: Mon, 03 May 1999 21:15:20 GMT
From: "johnnnnn schuller" <[e-mail]>
Subject: The Gas Chamber Ensemble/ Tripod in OLYMPIA WASHINGTON

Just to let everyone in the Olympia area know that The Gas Chamber Ensemble
from Seattle will be playing at the Midnight Sun @ 113 Columbia St. in
Downtown Olympia. It should be a very special show for these boys as they
will be joined by Seattle's Tripod. Their is no explaining the sound of
these groups as it won't be determined until the moment it is performed.
The evenings chain of events should go something like this:

An evening of Broken Music with
Tripod and then The Gas Chamber Ensemble and then they will mesh into one
GASPOD.

8pm Saturday May 8th. $1 or maybe cheaper.

Olympia is hurting for experimental music events, mainly low-fi punk and
Grateful Dead cover bands- so COME OUT AND SUPPORT EXPERIMENTAL MUSIC IN
OLYMPIA!!!!

Thanks,
johnnnn


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Date: Mon, 03 May 1999 18:21:12 -0400
From: "David J. Keffer" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Zorn List Digest V2 #657

>From: Ken Waxman <[e-mail]>
>I think Cadence/North Country does. But you can also get them from Verge
>in Peterborough, Ont -- www.ptbo.igs.net/~verge
>And since Verge's prices are in Canadian dollars, it can be quite a bargain
>for Americans.

You have got this backwards.  From my experience with dealing with Verge,
they list the prices in Canadian dollars but force people paying in U.S.
currency to pay the SAME dollar amount in U.S. dollars.  Currently, there
are 0.65 to 0.70 U.S. dollars per Canadian dollar.  Verge lists an album,
say anything from their FMP stock at $28.  Therefore, the person who pays
in U.S. dollars pays 28 US$ (or 40 Canadian $).  The person who uses
Canadian currency pays 28 Canadian $ (or 19.60 US$).

I have dealt with Verge once.  That is what they told me.  Same dollars,
doesn't matter
whether you pay US or Canadian currency, which means that the U.S. resident
pays
at least forty percent more for the same product.  It's no bargain.

David "NAFTA" K.




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Date: Mon, 03 May 1999 18:45:34 -0400
From: Rick Lopez <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Zorn List Digest V2 #657

Not in my experience. If a disc costs $20.00 at Verge, it hits my plastic at
about $13.00. The invoice will state the amount in dollars Canadian, but the
credit card company will do the transfer to Yonkee dollah.

Honest, I order from them all the time...

RL

David J. Keffer wrote:
>
> >From: Ken Waxman <[e-mail]>
> >I think Cadence/North Country does. But you can also get them from Verge
> >in Peterborough, Ont -- www.ptbo.igs.net/~verge
> >And since Verge's prices are in Canadian dollars, it can be quite a bargain
> >for Americans.
>
> You have got this backwards.  From my experience with dealing with Verge,
> they list the prices in Canadian dollars but force people paying in U.S.
> currency to pay the SAME dollar amount in U.S. dollars.  Currently, there
> are 0.65 to 0.70 U.S. dollars per Canadian dollar.  Verge lists an album,
> say anything from their FMP stock at $28.  Therefore, the person who pays
> in U.S. dollars pays 28 US$ (or 40 Canadian $).  The person who uses
> Canadian currency pays 28 Canadian $ (or 19.60 US$).
>
> I have dealt with Verge once.  That is what they told me.  Same dollars,
> doesn't matter
> whether you pay US or Canadian currency, which means that the U.S. resident
> pays
> at least forty percent more for the same product.  It's no bargain.
>
> David "NAFTA" K.
>
> -

- --
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Reggie Workman discographies--Samuel Beckett Eulogy--Baseball & the 10,000
Things--Time Stops--LOVETORN--HARD BOIL--etc.,  at:
http://www.velocity.net/~bb10k

***Very Various Music For Sale:
***http://www.velocity.net/~bb10k/4SALE.html

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Date: Mon, 3 May 1999 19:03:44 -0400 (EDT)
From: William York <[e-mail]>
Subject: Tom Waits

> I like it, it is like a combination of Closing Time and Bone Machine. Mule
> Variations has the song centric approach of closing time combined with the
> textural and experimental feel of bone machine.  My favorite tracks are
> cold water, and chocolate Jesus.

And a lot of the ballads sound like the ones on Bone Machine...

> I agree, Mule Variations is a great album, but am I
> the only one who thinks that a few of the songs
> (mostly the ballads) sound a lot like previous Waits
> songs with different lyrics?

...so we agree on that.  There could be worse things, I guess. Also, the
CD is  pretty long, about 70 min.  I thought it could've been a little
shorter, but its still good.  I also wish there was more weird guitar from
Ribot - he has some nice playing, but not as much as on Rain Dogs.

WY

P.S. Sorry about asking about the Victo fest redundantly, I'm on the
digest and hadn't gotten the other message....


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Date: Mon, 3 May 1999 19:31:02 EDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: Verge

In a message dated 5/3/99 6:22:18 PM, [e-mail] writes:

<< You have got this backwards.  From my experience with dealing with Verge,
they list the prices in Canadian dollars but force people paying in U.S.
currency to pay the SAME dollar amount in U.S. dollars.  Currently, there
are 0.65 to 0.70 U.S. dollars per Canadian dollar.  Verge lists an album,
say anything from their FMP stock at $28.  Therefore, the person who pays
in U.S. dollars pays 28 US$ (or 40 Canadian $).  The person who uses
Canadian currency pays 28 Canadian $ (or 19.60 US$).  >>

this isn't true; of course they do the conversions. I've dealt with them a
number of times, including just a few weeks ago. their prices aren't
comparatively as good as they used to be, but they're still good, especially
on Canadian stuff. plus, they get some stuff no one else does, i.e., a Voice
Crack CD-R I just got recently. Ambiances Magnetiques and Victo CDs are often
around ten dollars.

Jon

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Date: Mon, 03 May 99 21:01:13 -0500
From: [e-mail]
Subject: pardon

P. Marconi, if you're still out there, please email me at
[e-mail].
Thanks



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Date: Tue, 04 May 1999 00:48:24 -0400
From: Taylor McLaren <[e-mail]>
Subject: re: tom waits

MEEP! [e-mail] wrote:
>It's recieved
>terrible press saying it's overly sentimental and maudlin. People are saying
>that it's pretty much the same thing he's been doing, except this is for a
>wider audience. I really have to disagree with all of this, however.
Well, at least in Canada, it's getting an insane amount of press
coverage... it made the front page of the Toronto Star's arts section
sometime last weekend (and I'm talking about getting the bulk of the page
to itself, not a couple of inches off in the right margin), which resulted
in the ten copies that the local HMV had ordered (plus however many the
other two music stores in the local huge-ass mall had brought in) being
sold out by 2:00 in the afternoon on the 27th... not bad for suburban
Mississauga. If that translates into being an album "for a wider audience",
then...
  In any event, I love the disc... it's only the fourth Waits album that
I've ever heard, and I'll definitely go along with the opinion that the
ballads sound rather like those on _Bone Machine_, but the DJ-centric
tracks are a nice change (to me, anyway), and the last five tracks
transform my ass something vicious. I could almost admit to finding
"Georgia Lee" tear-jerking, but I haven't quite broken down while listening
to it yet... it's shamefully manipulative, really, but it works. And
"Filipino Box Spring Hog" just plain rocks... if I owned a car, it would be
summertime bassin' music.

- -me


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Date: Tue, 04 May 1999 01:21:50 -0400
From: Steve Smith <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: tom waits

My 2 cents:

I personally can't get "Big in Japan" out of my head, no matter how I try...
"The Eyeball Kid" is close behind, and yes, "Filipino Box Spring Hog" does verily
rock.

Many seem to find the ballads derivative of those on the last album.  I have to
say that for me, in the case of "Hold On" and "Picture in a Frame," they are
simply more memorable.  But then I'm in love again in real life, so perhaps I'm a
tad more maudlin and sentimental than I was when I got _Bone Machine_.  ("Georgia
Lee" and "Take It With Me," while touching, are perhaps a bit more rote, at least
in the Waits vernacular - I originally wrote "cliched" instead of "rote" but I'm
not sure that the word "cliched" applies where Waits is concerned.)

I'm listening to _Mule Variations_ more than anything else I've bought lately,
including such recent favorites as David Sylvian's "Dead Bees on a Cake" and
Masada's "Live in Jerusalem."  I think it's a swell album, and if it's a bit more
approachable than the last few, so what?  I hope it earns mad cash for Epitaph,
relatively speaking.  Where and how this album is intended for a "wider
audience," I just can't quite grok.

And I, too, have been pleasantly surprised by the amount of coverage the record
is getting, but then, Waits has always been a "critic's darling," hasn't he?

Ultimately, to me, it's a good rekkid, and has prodded me to revisit older Waits
things as well.  And I'm enough of a sentimental sap to admit that I really love
the soundtrack to "One from the Heart," so maybe you should just ignore me...

Steve Smith
[e-mail]
NP - Tom Waits, "Straight to the Top," _Frank's Wild Years_


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Date: Tue, 04 May 1999 01:28:46 -0400
From: Steve Smith <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: tom waits

Steve Smith wrote:

> NP - Tom Waits, "Straight to the Top," _Frank's Wild Years_

That is, to be precise, "Straight to the Top (Rhumba)".....

Steve Smith
[e-mail]
NP - Tom Waits, "Innocent When You Dream (Barroom)," _Franks Wild Years_


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Date: Mon, 03 May 1999 22:45:15 -0700
From: pjm <[e-mail]>
Subject: lo tek RA save

I'm a bit behind the list as usual, but i felt I had to jump in to the Real
Audio dilemma. Personally, I run my PC through my stereo and record Real
Audio files on cassette. It IS sort of a Low Tech solution, but then i can
listen to them away from my PC...

            just my 2 cents

                pjm


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Date: Tue, 04 May 1999 06:50:46 -0700
From: s~Z <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: tom waits

> And I'm enough of a sentimental sap to admit that I really love
> the soundtrack to "One from the Heart," so maybe you should just ignore me...
>
> Steve Smith

Don't ignore him. This bluesy Mule Variations is a must buy. And don't
judge it by the first listen. It grows and grows on subsequent
listenings.

s~Z

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Date: Tue, 4 May 1999 10:06:15 -0800
From: Jason Tors <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: tom waits

Indeed! Like all Waits' music it gets to you when you least expect it. Over
time it grows more and more precious. I found myself singing Cold Water
while walking home, and Big in Japan walking back from the local water
hole.

>Don't ignore him. This bluesy Mule Variations is a must buy. And don't
>judge it by the first listen. It grows and grows on subsequent
>listenings.
>
>s~Z
>
>-
>> And I'm enough of a sentimental sap to admit that I really love
>> the soundtrack to "One from the Heart," so maybe you should just ignore
>>me...
>>
>> Steve Smith
>

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Date: Tue, 04 May 1999 10:09:00 -0400
From: Mark Saleski <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Metheny (was Stanko/Smoker/Hemingway)

>>
>>This comment got me wondering if anyone has any passionate opinions
about
>>Metheny's work with Derek Bailey, Gregg Bendian and Paul Wertico or
about
>>his Zero Tolerance For Silence ALBUM  and how does his devotion to the

>>'low pressure' work relate to his free playing.
>
>I've got the Zero Tolerance album, and respect it more than I like it.
I
>applaud Metheny's desire to break outside the smooth jazz audience, but

>wish I liked the results more.  I've heard more interesting feedback
and
>noise guitar elsewhere (Frith, Wittwer, Kaiser, heck, even Haino, etc.)

i've been a metheny fan for years and would have to say that his taste
for 'free' playing comes by way of ornette coleman. the first time i saw
metheny was on the 'first circle' tour. in those days he opened the show
with a tune called 'forward march' a kinda drunken' marching band
thing...or, as he has described it...."The Marching Band at Ornette
Coleman High".

check out Song X with ornette, charlie haden and jack dejohnette



- --
Mark Saleski - [e-mail]    "Everything you can imagine is
real."  -- Picasso



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Date: Tue, 4 May 1999 11:52:59 -0400
From: John Mitchell <[e-mail]>
Subject: Zorn = "Most Unwanted Music"?

these guys did a poll on what people liked/didnt like in music, and then
pressed a CD based on the results:

"The most unwanted music is over 25 minutes long, veers wildly between
loud and quiet sections, between fast and slow tempos, and features
timbres of extremely high and low pitch, with each dichotomy presented in
abrupt transition."

This bit sounds remarkably like Zorn...

check it out: http://www.diacenter.org/km/musiccd.html

(Of course, take the results with a BIG grain of salt: the same site has
"most/least wanted art" of many countries, none of which resembled Robert
Williams paintings in the least :)

- - j

John Mitchell         "Beer is living proof that God loves us
Magnet Interactive    and wants to see us happy"
[e-mail]      - Benjamin Franklin



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Date: Tue, 4 May 1999 13:17:43 -0800
From: Jason Tors <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Zorn = "Most Unwanted Music"?

>these guys did a poll on what people liked/didnt like in music, and then
>pressed a CD based on the results:
>
>"The most unwanted music is over 25 minutes long, veers wildly between
>loud and quiet sections, between fast and slow tempos, and features
>timbres of extremely high and low pitch, with each dichotomy presented in
>abrupt transition."
>
>This bit sounds remarkably like Zorn...
>
>check it out: http://www.diacenter.org/km/musiccd.html
>
>(Of course, take the results with a BIG grain of salt: the same site has
>"most/least wanted art" of many countries, none of which resembled Robert
>Williams paintings in the least :)

Komar and Melamaid started the most / least wanted painting in response the
the cold war. They are a painting team, revolutionary idea for artists,
from the former soviet union. Schooled and restricted artistically in thier
native land, they emigrated to the united states. While in new york they
painted a lot of socially provocative material, excellent draftsmen and
abstract painters, their work is a wonder to behold from a formal and
conceptual perspective. America's most / least wanted was meant to be a
comparison to russia's most / least wanted painting. The results were
similar, during the time of the cold war, this was a poinant social
artistic statement.



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Date: Tue, 4 May 1999 13:41:37 -0400
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: Masada/Byron Somerville Theater

   Brian Whitman:
   If I recall correctly, the Somerville Theater seats *start* at N...
   there's a big empty space in front of the front row seats that were
   apparently A->M removed. At least that's the way it was a coupla years
   back.

They must'a put them back, since I got row G  :)
There's a seating chart available at www.ticketmaster.com, where I got my
seats -- the floor goes A to P.




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Date: Tue, 4 May 1999 14:29:32 -0400
From: "Sean Terwilliger" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Robert Musso CD

Pardon the cross post...

Does anyone have the Robert Musso / Steve Buchannen Duo cd that (didn't)
came out on Muworks? Might you be willing to make a tape or cdr?

Thanks a bunch,

Sean


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Date: Tue, 04 May 1999 16:53:01 -0400
From: "David J. Keffer" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Verge

>[e-mail] writes:
><< You have got this backwards.  From my experience with dealing with Verge,
>they list the prices in Canadian dollars but force people paying in U.S.
>currency to pay the SAME dollar amount in U.S. dollars.  Currently, there
>are 0.65 to 0.70 U.S. dollars per Canadian dollar.  Verge lists an album,
>say anything from their FMP stock at $28.  Therefore, the person who pays
>in U.S. dollars pays 28 US$ (or 40 Canadian $).  The person who uses
>Canadian currency pays 28 Canadian $ (or 19.60 US$).  >>

[e-mail] wrote:
>this isn't true; of course they do the conversions. I've dealt with them a
...

Hmmm.  Very curious.  The one time I ordered from them, I would swear
that the transaction I described above occurred.   As a result,
I resolved never to order from them again.  It seems unlikely that
I have completely misremembered the entire sequence of events.
On the other hand, stranger things have happened.

David "No Comment" K.


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Date: Tue, 4 May 1999 17:52:52 -0400
From: philz <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Verge

>In a message dated 5/3/99 6:22:18 PM, [e-mail] writes:
>
><< You have got this backwards.  From my experience with dealing with Verge,
>they list the prices in Canadian dollars but force people paying in U.S.
>currency to pay the SAME dollar amount in U.S. dollars.  Currently, there
>are 0.65 to 0.70 U.S. dollars per Canadian dollar.  Verge lists an album,
>say anything from their FMP stock at $28.  Therefore, the person who pays
>in U.S. dollars pays 28 US$ (or 40 Canadian $).  The person who uses
>Canadian currency pays 28 Canadian $ (or 19.60 US$).  >>
>
>this isn't true; of course they do the conversions. I've dealt with them a
>number of times, including just a few weeks ago. their prices aren't
>comparatively as good as they used to be, but they're still good, especially
>on Canadian stuff. plus, they get some stuff no one else does, i.e., a Voice
>Crack CD-R I just got recently. Ambiances Magnetiques and Victo CDs are often
>around ten dollars.
>


Definitely not true, I order from Verge regularly and they've always
charged the exchange rate, which I assume they do by charging
Canadian $ to my US credit card, who perform the currency conversion
themselves.

Personally I've found Verge to be a great, organized, friendly source
for a lot of Canadian releases (Ambience Magnetiques!) and European
imports.

philz



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