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Subject: Zorn List Digest V2 #620
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Zorn List Digest Saturday, March 13 1999 Volume 02 : Number 620
In this issue:
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re: Chris Cutler
Re: seeking klezmer
Mime-Version: 1.0
[none]
Re: klezmer
Re: klezmer
Re: Tim Berne
re: Edgard Varese
RE: Varese
ZONY MASH TOUR (ENCORE)
Re: klezmer
Re: Zony Mash Tour
Re: question about Otomo
Re: klezmer
Re: Tim Berne
Re: The solution to my Tony Oxley mystery
Re: Recomm?: V. Golia & Jean Derome/live drum n' bass
Groult
Re: klezmer
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Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 15:00:33 EST
From: CuneiWay@aol.com
Subject: re: Chris Cutler
Joseph wrote:
>Is his whole tour itinerary posted anywhere? I've been seeing apparently
>disconnected bits of it here and there. (I'm especially hoping that he's
>playing in/near DC sometime.)
I don't know the itinerary, but I do know that he is DEFINITELY NOT playing
any nearer to DC than NYC.
Steve F.
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Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 15:23:20 EST
From: XRedbirdxx@aol.com
Subject: Re: seeking klezmer
a group (just played here in cincinnati) that i would highly recommend is
Brave Old World. I They're a quartet based in Europe, sorry i can't tell you
more. -joseph
- -
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Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 12:30:45 -0800
From: pjm <pjm@memes.com>
Subject: Mime-Version: 1.0
>Strange. I thought that PONGA was Skerik's record (featuring Horvitz), and
>VOG was Wayne's "noise" trio (with Skerik and Horvitz).
> Patrice.
I have never heard of PONGA before this particular discussion, but when I
saw VOG up here in Bellingham it consisted of Skerik, Horvitz, Bobby
Previte, and Dave someone from MC 900 foot jesus.
Based on the one appearance I saw, I don't think I would call it 'noise',
because when I think of noise i think of Metal Machine Music or KK Null. It
had some parts that weren't too musical, though.
I'm definitely looking forward to the release and hoping some of the
Bellingham gig is on the disc. I was close enough to smell Dave's bubblegum
and several times when our eyes caught, he flicked sounds at my cerebrum...
or was that the Bellingham air?
Pjm
- -
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Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 12:47:35 -0800
From: "Patrice L. Roussel" <proussel@ichips.intel.com>
Subject: [none]
On Fri, 12 Mar 1999 12:30:45 -0800 pjm wrote:
>
> Based on the one appearance I saw, I don't think I would call it 'noise',
> because when I think of noise i think of Metal Machine Music or KK Null. It
> had some parts that weren't too musical, though.
I put noise between quotes, because it is the way that Wayne Horvitz described it
to me many years ago (1995?). This was as opposed to his other projects (Pigpen
at that time).
Patrice.
- -
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Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 16:14:59 EST
From: Nvinokur@aol.com
Subject: Re: klezmer
While a relatively a new album, I would recommend Don Byron plays the music of
Mickey Katz - (an early Klezmer dude) - Also - Ck out Possessed by the
Klezmatics
- -
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Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 16:52:29 -0500
From: "Michael Berman" <mberman@his.com>
Subject: Re: klezmer
the Klezmer Conservatory Band is a relativly modern group but pretty
traditonal in scope. also starred Don Byron for a few albums. mosly found
on rounder recs.
also Brave Old World is good. theres also a mix album of Itzhak Perlman
playing w/ the klezmatics/brave old/klezmer conserv and andy statman.
Andy Statman has lots of good stuff including his qtet and a duo w/ David
Grisman called 'songs of our fathers'.
ive found an italian group called Moni Ovadia/theater orchestra with an
album called 'Oylem Goylem' (fonit cetra rcds) thats great as well as a
french trio on radio france called Chansons Yiddish 'Tenderness at Rage'
also- Mickry Katz 'Simcha Time' music for weddings,bar mitzvahas and
brisses (and laughs). ...mike
- -
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Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 17:17:17 -0500 (EST)
From: Ken Waxman <cj649@freenet.toronto.on.ca>
Subject: Re: Tim Berne
The CD works very well the same reason Berne-Formanek's duo live show
works --they've worked together long enough to figure out what each
should play and what the other should do. Many duos, on the other hand,
seem reductive, like a couple of guys awaiting some others.
The funny thing is the fist time I saw Berne it was with his quartet; the
seond time Chris Speed was ill so it was a trio; the third time was the
duo. I guess the next time will be a Berne solo set.
Ken Waxman
cj649@torfree.net
On Fri, 12 Mar 1999, Martin Schmitz-Ohrndorf wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I just picked up Tim Berne/Michael Formanek Ornery People and I like it
> very well. Anyone else listened to it too? Any Opinions?
> Also I noticed that T. Berne has put out a set of older recordings on
> his screwgun label. What are they like, compared to Caos Totale or
> Bloodcount?
>
> Martin
>
>
> -
>
>
- -
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Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 15:24:53 -0700
From: Micheal O'Connor <fab@toke.com>
Subject: re: Edgard Varese
One of the last projects Zappa worked on was with the Ensemble Modern playing
the music of Edgard Varese. This was a finished project ( there were even some
sound files up on the Zappa site for a while), but was never released as
far as
I know. Anyone else know anything about this?
Michael
http://fab.cjb.net/
- -
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Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 18:19:00 -0500
From: "Heather and Jeff" <hijk@gateway.net>
Subject: RE: Varese
I saw the Ensemble Modern in NYC a coupla years ago(?) and they mentioned
the Zappa/Varese recordings, but I never heard anything else. BTW, they
played G-Spot Tornado 3 times! Amazing.
JK
hijk@gateway.net
- -
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Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 15:32:53 -0800
From: "Toby Dodds" <toby@telisphere.com>
Subject: ZONY MASH TOUR (ENCORE)
If you're like me than the last version of this important post was way out
of whack.
I hope this helps otherwise me and my computer will be looking real dumb.
_____________________________________
People of Zorn-List land,
Zony Mash is heading out of town on a mini-tour of the West Coast. For the
past few months the band has been playing weekly shows at the now legendary
700 Club, in Seattle. During this time a large amount of new material has
been written. The band is playing at a peak level and should WOW audiences
all year round. Future plans include a trip to Europe this May/June and a
probable East Coast appearance at the Knitting Factory's Festival series
this June. The rest of the country can look forward to a nationwide tour
starting up in September. If you haven't seen this Wayne Horvitz project
yet don't miss out!
Since a lot of you are probably scratching your heads, I've included a bio
from the current 1999 promo kit below. Excuse the promotional tone, this
doc is generally used to excite promoters not concert-goers..
For further inspiration head over to www.zonymash.com where you can enjoy
some live audio and other fun! Oh and yes they are taper friendly, though
you'll have to trade with me. ;-)
Cheers,
Toby
ZONY MASH
Toby Dodds - Representative
PO Box 85535
Seattle, WA 98145
toby@telisphere.com
www.zonymash.com
ZONY MASH WEST COAST 1999!
3/18/99 - Rainbow Tavern, Seattle, WA
3/19/99 - Roseland Grill, Portland, OR
3/20/99 - Good Times, Eugene, OR
3/21/99 - Kat Wok, Ashland, OR
3/22/99 - Bruno's, San Francisco, CA
3/24/99 - Fuel, San Jose, CA
3/26/99 - NYM, Santa Barbara, CA
3/27/99 - McCabes Guitar Shop, Santa Monica, CA
3/28/99 - Blake's, Berkeley, CA
3/29/99 - Bruno's, San Francisco, CA
3/30/99 - Brick Works, Chico, CA
WHO IS ZONY MASH?
ZONY MASH FEATURES:
WAYNE HORVITZ: HAMMOND B3 ORGAN, KEYBOARDS
TIMOTHY YOUNG: GUITAR
KEITH LOWE: BASS
ANDY ROTH: DRUMS
WHAT IS ZONY MASH?
A truly far-out musical mix emerged when Wayne Horvitz's Zony Mash made
its performing debut in late 1995 and 1999 finds their soulful recipe
honed to near-perfection. You'll encounter a myriad of familiar flavors,
including sixties-styled psychedelic rock (Grateful Dead, Quicksilver
Messenger Service, Moby Grape), earthy blues-based grandeur (The Band,
Captain Beefheart, Bob Dylan) and space-bound freedoms (Cecil Taylor, Sun
Ra, Art Ensemble of Chicago) but the resulting after-taste is wholly
original. Although Zony Mash draws heavy inspiration from the past, they
never succumb to derivative nostalgia. Imagine instead a uniquely modern,
unpredictable take on these timeless Fillmore-era grooves and a bandleader
bent on pushing his music in new directions. Zony Mash's funky
musicianship alone is cause for celebration but it's Wayne's inimitable
songwriting that has set them apart. He's got a razor sharp rhythmic
sense, a knack for sly melodies and a band that's never out of step. Like
Wayne, Zony Mash is ultimately beyond comparison.
Back in the eighties, Wayne Horvitz cut his teeth among some of New York's
most adventurous musicians such as Butch Morris, Bill Frisell, John Zorn
(Naked City, etc.), Fred Frith, William Parker, Bobby Previte, Elliot
Sharp, Carla Bley, Billy Bang, Robin Holcomb, and Marty Erlich. It is
during this period that his talents as a composer and improviser began to
emerge whether writing and playing with his band "The President", the New
York Composers Orchestra (which he co-founded) or providing music for
numerous theatre & dance productions, including Bill Irwin's "Strictly
N.Y.", a Broadway show that toured nationwide. More recent highlights
include the debut of his Four Plus One Ensemble (an electro-acoustic
chamber group featuring violin star Eyvind Kang and trombone giant Julian
Priester), the live score for "Death of a Salesman" (ACT, Seattle), the
premiere of "Otis Spann" (a tribute in six movements) with the Seattle
Chamber Players at Seattle's new Benaroya Symphony Hall, sound design for
Gus Van Sant's "Psycho" remake, and playing on the soundtrack to Gary
Larson's upcoming Fox
TV special, "Tales From the Farside II" (with Bill Frisell & Eyvind Kang).
Accolades continue to pile up for Pigpen, his now-defunct punk-jazz
quartet and collaborations with Bobby Previte, John Zorn & Bill Frisell
(whose upcoming Elektra Nonesuch release features Wayne on the Hammond B3
organ, alongside Victor Krauss & Jim Keltner) continue to keep him busy.
He 's also a highly regarded producer, having worked with artists as
divergent as Fontella Bass, Eddie Palmieri, Bill Frisell, Robin Holcomb,
and The World Saxophone Quartet.
Wayne divides his time between composing, producing other artists, and
writing for film & TV. When it comes to playing live, however, Zony Mash
is his primary focus and he brings the entirety of his diverse musical
experiences & influences to the music. Consequently, the band has a
tremendously wide appeal. They're capable of not only wowing
sophisticated listeners at prestigious jazz festivals worldwide (1998
found them at the Montreux, Vancouver, Pori & North Sea Festivals) but
also blowing away a sweaty, twenty-somethin' mob at the many nightspots
they've packed. Not surprisingly, their two album releases (1996's Cold
Spell & 1998's Brand Spankin' New) have been critically acclaimed by both
college-hipster publications (such as CMJ) and traditional hepcat
magazines (such as Downbeat). Their wide-open grooves hark back to a day
when superfluous categories weren't so important to concert promoters,
radio stations or record stores. I'd be hard-pressed to label 'em, but
"American Music" seems to best represent their spirited melting pot. The
music is all that matters and if you check these guys out live, you'll see
a different show every time.
- -
------------------------------
Date: Sat, 13 Mar 1999 11:14:58 +1100
From: "Julian" <jcurwin@hartingdale.com.au>
Subject: Re: klezmer
I should probably have made myself more clear... I was actually after the
old stuff, the artists that Klezmatics, Andy Statman, etc. base their work
on... I just want to go right back to the roots.
- -
------------------------------
Date: Sat, 13 Mar 1999 01:37:37 GMT
From: "johnnnnn schuller" <hotpoopy@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Zony Mash Tour
I went to all the 700 club shows that Zony Mash played over Jan and Feb.
They are unbelievably hot now. Their new bassist Keith Lowe is adds a
ton of energy to this band. And Timothy Young just kicks ass, period. If
you ever get a chance to see his band Ver Special Forces, do so. You
will not be disappointed. I only wish I could drop everything and follow
them down the west coast. (that sounds so deadish...ewwwwww) Go see
them!!!!!
johnnnnnnnnnnnnnn
Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com
- -
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Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 22:28:45 EST
From: JonAbbey2@aol.com
Subject: Re: question about Otomo
In a message dated 3/11/99 4:41:41 PM, proussel@ichips.intel.com writes:
<< Any idea if the following 2xCD set ever came out?
- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
*** - LOUD/QUIET: various artists
This record features MSBR, Voice Crack, TV POW, Otomo Yoshihide, Shifts,
Pita, Plotkin/Gutzeit, Kazumoto Endo, Akiyama/Sugimoto, Kevin Drumm, Kapotte
Muziek, Wheaton Research : Lasse Marhaug.
1998 - BOXmedia (USA), ??? (2xCD)
>>
BOXmedia is a very poorly distributed Chicago-based label run by the guys from
TV Pow. until very recently, they had a web page at www.boxmedia.com, but that
seems to have disappeared. I don't think this release is actually out yet, but
if/when it is/does, Dusty Groove should stock it, www.dustygroove.com.
Jon
- -
------------------------------
Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 23:19:54 EST
From: Nvinokur@aol.com
Subject: Re: klezmer
<A HREF="http://www.geocities.com/Broadway/Stage/2452/Klezmerring.htm">
Klezmerring</A>
- -
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Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 23:42:25 EST
From: Orangejazz@aol.com
Subject: Re: Tim Berne
I've hear Ornery People, i was not overly enthralled with it, like i was when
I first heard Bloodcount..a lot of the same ideals, i guess. Except no Jim
Black or Speed, which add a lot to any group they're in, as far as i'm
concerned. Tim can play, of course, and it might've be a lot better if the
bass had been mixed a little louder
from,
matt
- -
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Date: Sat, 13 Mar 1999 02:17:47 -0500
From: Steve Smith <ssmith36@sprynet.com>
Subject: Re: The solution to my Tony Oxley mystery
Joseph S. Zitt wrote:
> Do you know if BET on Jazz publishes a detailed schedule? All I can seem
> to find are show titles like "Classic Concerts" that don't tell a hell of
> a lot...
To the best of my knowledge, no, and I think this was indeed billed as a
"Classic Concert." It's all luck of the draw, near as I can tell. My thanks
to all who subsequently shed further light on just what it was I'd seen.
Steve Smith
ssmith36@sprynet.com
... back after a few days away ...
NP - Rich Halley, "648," _Live at Beanbenders_
- -
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Date: Sat, 13 Mar 1999 09:11:51 -0800
From: improv@peak.org (Dave Trenkel)
Subject: Re: Recomm?: V. Golia & Jean Derome/live drum n' bass
At 9:49 AM 3/5/99, Scott Handley wrote:
>
>The scope and ambition of Golia's music, and the personal humility he
>seems to project in his interviews, intrigues me. But o hell: where to
>start?
>
Sorry to take so long to respond on this. I've been catching Golia live for
the last 10 years or so, he comes to the NW fairly often, and is always
worth seeing, with whatever group he has currently.
On record, I think his stuff as a leader falls into 3 categories:
Semi-conventional small jazz ensembles, usually quartet or quintet: Of
these, a good place to start is 1993's Against The Grain, on 9-winds. This
quintet has Golia, Rob Blakeslee on trumpet, Nels Cline on guitar, Ken
Filiano on bass and Billy Mintz on drums. Great tunes, great playing by
all, and it's really cool to hear Cline in an out-jazz setting.
"Chamber" improvising ensembles: "haunting the spirits inside them...", on
Music and Arts, with Golia and both Joelle Leandre and Ken Filiano on bass
is very nice, as is "Triangulation", with George Lewis and Bertram
Turetzky. These really show Golia's multiple reeds ability well, he gets an
amazing range of textures.
Large ensembles: If you have a chance to see Golia's large ensembles live,
do not hesitate. I saw them twice on their, I believe only, NW tour a few
years ago, and they were among the best shows I've ever seen. That said,
most of his large ensemble CD's suffer from really bad recording quality,
and are really hard to enjoy, at least for me. Vinny's told me that it's
just too expensive to take his large bands into a decent studio, and the
CD's are concert recordings, and while I appreciate that he'd rather
document these rare performances in whatever way he can afford instead of
not at all, it does make it hard for me to enjoy the discs.
Golia's humility is for real, he's one of the nicest musicians I've met.
________________________________________________________
Dave Trenkel : improv@peak.org : www.peak.org/~improv/
"...there will come a day when you won't have to use
gasoline. You'd simply take a cassette and put it in
your car, let it run. You'd have to have the proper
type of music. Like you take two sticks, put 'em
together, make fire. You take some notes and rub 'em
together - dum, dum, dum, dum - fire, cosmic fire."
-Sun Ra
________________________________________________________
- -
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Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 12:40:30 -0500
From: Tom Pratt <tpratt@ctech.smtc.net>
Subject: Groult
I just bought Christine Groult's 3" CD on Metamkine called L'HEURE ALORS
S'INCLINE and think it's fantastic. It's a beautiful 20-minute musique
concrete piece in homage to Luigi Nono. Does anyone know anything about
this woman and whether she has any other recordings available?
And while I'm at it, what are everyone's favorites of the Metamkine
series? I have a handful but maybe I'm missing out on something
essential...
listening to: Hank Williams 'Low Down Blues'
-Tom Pratt
- -
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Date: Sat, 13 Mar 1999 12:10:34 -0600 (CST)
From: Saidel Eric J <ejs4839@usl.edu>
Subject: Re: klezmer
According to Julian:
>
> Could someone give me some recommendations of albums to get if I want to
> hear early traditional klezmer?
>
This is probably a misnomer - what we think of today as Klezmer music
is not really traditional. A Klezmer musician was an itinerant musician
in eastern europe, generally jewish, playing for various religious and
secular celebrations. The music was rooted in folk musics of the era
and jewish traditional music. Klezmer predated jazz, so our associations
of klezmer with jazz - e.g., in the music that Don Byron (or the klezmatics,
or the klezmer conservatory orchestra) presents, or in the heavily
coltrane-influenced music of Andy Statman - is really an innovation.
Of course, this innovation is completely within the spirit of klezmer -
it's only natural that those musicians, on moving to the US, would incorporate
local music.
Okay, all that said, there are two basic people to hunt down. One is
Dave Tarras. There's a disc of a bunch of his work - most of it in
other people's bands - on Yazoo, I think. It shouldn't be hard to find.
The music is great and the liner notes are an education. Tarras was,
for what it's worth, Statman's teacher (on clarinet, not mandolin).
The other - a rival clarinetist - is Naftule Brandwein. He's a bit
older than Tarras; he was well established here when Tarras arrived.
I don't know of any recent cds of his work, but I'm sure there are some.
Yazoo and Rounder also have other compilation cds with several klezmer
players from the early part of this century.
Also worth checking out, if you can find it, is a video called "A Tickle
in the Heart." It's about a "contemporary" klezmer band - all in their
80s (or around there). They talk a lot about what the music world was like
in the New York orthodox circles in the heyday of klezmer.
(The Tarras disc includes some radio broadcasts - national - with ads
for things such as Matzoh. I can't even imagine hearing such a thing
on today's radio.)
- - eric
- -
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