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From: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com (Zorn List Digest)
To: zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com
Subject: Zorn List Digest V2 #600
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Zorn List Digest Tuesday, February 23 1999 Volume 02 : Number 600
In this issue:
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Oslo
Annie Gosfield/Sonny Clark
Request for reviews: parkins, shea
Zorn Scores
Re: Vatcher discography
Re:Sonny Clark Mem'l Quartet
Re: Zorn List Digest V2 #599 (Zorn Charts)
Re: Derek Bailey-Playbacks
Re: Derek Bailey-Playbacks
Zorn Scores (was Cobra)
Re: Derek Bailey-Playbacks
Garrett List
axiom/laswell?
quizz of the week (100% off topic)
Re: quizz of the week (100% off topic)
Re: quizz of the week (100% off topic)
Re: quizz of the week (100% off topic)
Re: quizz of the week (100% off topic)
Re: Derek Bailey-Playbacks
Lacy Tzadik in RealAudio
Re: Derek Bailey-Playbacks
Re: Derek Bailey-Playbacks
Re: Sonny Clark
Re: Sonny Clark
RE: Sonn Clark
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Date: Sun, 21 Feb 1999 17:22:07 -0600 (CST)
From: benjamin elliot axelrad <beaxelra@midway.uchicago.edu>
Subject: Oslo
I'll be traveling to Oslo in three weeks, and I was wondering if anybody
knows of good music clubs and stores.
Thanks,
Ben
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Date: Sun, 21 Feb 1999 18:51:49 -0500 (EST)
From: William York <wyork@email.unc.edu>
Subject: Annie Gosfield/Sonny Clark
> The first is Annie Gosfield's Burnt Ivory and Tangled Wires which uses
> samples, many from ill-tempered (as opposed to well-tempered, hehheh) or
> severely decrepit pianos. Then she weaves them together to make great
> pieces, including a lot of rhythm, which I like. Some parts are even super
> heavy, like the kinda music I'd love to make on a piano, and rock hard.
> Anyway, I think it's great all the way through.
I agree with this. Someone on the list, a few months back, talked about
about some 'ill-tempered' stuff (I think they mentioned LaMonte Young)
sounds like tuning demonstrations. But with this, the music itself is
completely interesting and just works. One song with an old synthesizer
sounds like Sun Ra, and the 10 min. piece that ROVA does is awesome.
Also, the Glenn Spearman, Michiyo Yagi, David Shea, and the PHLEGM thing -
can't remember their names - on Tzadik have all been excellent.
> I didn't think that Black Saint let their stuff drop out of print, but I could
> be wrong. I'd be more inclined to think that your difficulty in finding it is
> that it's probably filed in the Sonny Clark section since the only mention of
> any artist on the outside of the CD is "The Sony Clark Memorial Quartet".
I got this as a used record, filed in the 'C' section, but I do think they
keep it in print although I've never seen it in a store. I think this may
be, like Jon said, that people don't pay attention to who is on it.
WY
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Date: Sun, 21 Feb 1999 19:54:05 PST
From: "Scott Handley" <c123018@hotmail.com>
Subject: Request for reviews: parkins, shea
DAVID SHEA-An Eastern Western Collected Works (Sub Rosa 134)
ZEENA PARKINS-The Opium War (Einstein 010)
So many excellent recordings! I am at a loss for words and money. But
the above two I've had my eye on. If anyone at all has heard them, even
if you don't feel like posting a "review", could you at least send me an
opinion? I thought I'd just check around before ordering. I'm telling
ya'll, my want-list is about sixty deep, and that's just the last six
months' worth of releases....
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Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1999 03:20:54 -0500
From: Geoff S Gersh <gsg@juno.com>
Subject: Zorn Scores
>Also, it's weird that you can't buy Zorn scores, or at least no-one on
the
>list knows how.
>Why the mystery?
A friend of mine who works at Carl Fisher in NYC recently told me that
Zorn has been talking to CF to work out some kind of deal where they
would be the publishers for his classical compositions. He wasn't sure
if it's a deal where they would produce scores for sale, or for hire
only.......
Geoff
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Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1999 09:41:38 -0500 (EST)
From: Brent Burton <bburton@CapAccess.org>
Subject: Re: Vatcher discography
vatcher also plays on the ex's "instant" along with han bennink.
b
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Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1999 09:25:27 -0500
From: fretless6 <144music@spyral.net>
Subject: Re:Sonny Clark Mem'l Quartet
Black Saint has just released Critics Sampler Vol 3 and "Voodoo" is
one of the 9 tracks.
BTW I have some pure commercial contnet if it isn't a problem:
Feb. 28 - Knitting Factory Alterknit Theater
9 PM Tickets $7
"BCGKM"
This group will preview material from Musso's upcoming CD release.
Charles Burnham-violin
Lance Carter-drums
David C Gross-6 string fretless bass, electronics
Toby Kasavan-keyboard
Eliott Levy-reeds
Robert Musso-guitar
*Also March 16th at Baby Jupiter - 9 PM*
David C Gross
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Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1999 11:51:18 EST
From: "A M" <ampm10@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Zorn List Digest V2 #599 (Zorn Charts)
> Also, it's weird that you can't buy Zorn scores, or at least no-one
> on the list knows how.
A while ago I wrote to Tzadik and asked if Mr Zorn's scores were
available. They said that Mr Zorn signed a publishing deal with Carl
Fischer recently and that they would be available in the near future.
Andy
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Date: Sun, 21 Feb 1999 12:22:32 -0500
From: Tom Pratt <tpratt@ctech.smtc.net>
Subject: Re: Derek Bailey-Playbacks
JonAbbey2@aol.com wrote:
> well, this has finally made it into stores and it's a really great record, my
> early front-runner for record of the year.
I picked this one up the other day and also think it's great. Bailey gets extreme
and aggressive on some tracks like I've never heard him before. On the Casey Rice
track (track 3) he almost sounds like Sonny Sharrock or Arto Lindsay! I bought
mine for $10 so that's another reason to pick this up. No matter what you think of
it, this will at least be *interesting* to Bailey fans but I think it's far more
than that.
I also grabbed Karuna Khyal's 'Alomoni 1985' (Paradigm) which is apparently one of
those super-obscure Steven Stapleton favorites. This is a phenomenal CD. Strange
experimental rock stuff... It's really great.
Re: Mauricio Kagel... When Zorn listed some of his favorite records in Downbeat
(!) he listed the Deutsche Grammophone version of 'Exotica' so I don't think you'd
really go wrong with that. I found 'Der Schall' on vinyl last week for $4 and of
course grabbed it. Really great... In Zorn interviews and public spurts of his
favorite records, he seems to alternate between 'Exotica' and 'Der Schall' as his
favorite Kagel.
-Tom Pratt
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Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1999 12:50:29 -0500 (EST)
From: Brent Burton <bburton@CapAccess.org>
Subject: Re: Derek Bailey-Playbacks
On Sun, 21 Feb 1999, Tom Pratt wrote:
> I picked this one up the other day and also think it's great. Bailey
> gets extreme and aggressive on some tracks like I've never heard him
> before. On the Casey Rice track (track 3) he almost sounds like Sonny
> Sharrock or Arto Lindsay! I bought mine for $10 so that's another
> reason to pick this up.
what's the word on the kaiser-produced tracks? are they really that
screwed up? his diatribe makes me want to avoid the cd or at least hear
it before i pick it up.
b
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Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1999 11:26:06 -0800
From: cd <cappyd@uvic.ca>
Subject: Zorn Scores (was Cobra)
Peter Risser wrote:
> Also, it's weird that you can't buy Zorn scores, or at least no-one on the
> list knows how.
>
> Why the mystery?
>
> "Come out to show dem!"
>
> Peter
>
A friend of mine obtained an order form from Hips Road. Scores
currently available are:
Book of Heads
Road Runner
Cat O'Nine Tails
For Your Eyes Only (parts - rental only)
Dead Man
Carny
Memento Mori
Angelus Novus (parts - rental only)
Aporias (parts - rental only)
Dark River
Music for Children
Orchestra Variations (parts - rental only)
Shibboleth
Rituals
Scores in Preparation are:
Masada Songbook
Naked City Songbook
Game Pieces: Cobra, Xu Feng, Bezique
Untitled (for cello solo)
Le Momo (violin and piano)
The address is:
Hips Road Edition
61 East Eighth Street, Suite 126
New York City, NY 10003 USA
Fax (212) 334-8427
The prices were quite reasonable - many are $10-20 USD. The larger
ensemble/orchestral are more.
- -cd
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Date: Sun, 21 Feb 1999 13:30:56 -0500
From: Tom Pratt <tpratt@ctech.smtc.net>
Subject: Re: Derek Bailey-Playbacks
Brent Burton wrote:
> On Sun, 21 Feb 1999, Tom Pratt wrote:
>
> > I picked this one up the other day and also think it's great. Bailey
> > gets extreme and aggressive on some tracks like I've never heard him
> > before. On the Casey Rice track (track 3) he almost sounds like Sonny
> > Sharrock or Arto Lindsay! I bought mine for $10 so that's another
> > reason to pick this up.
>
> what's the word on the kaiser-produced tracks? are they really that
> screwed up? his diatribe makes me want to avoid the cd or at least hear
> it before i pick it up.
>
> b
Kaiser's tracks sound great to these ears! They probably sound awful to
Kaiser because they are not exactly what *he* heard and wanted. But really,
they sound fine...
listening to: Glenn Branca "Symphony No. 10" and REALLY loud!
-Tom Pratt
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Date: Mon, 22 Feb 99 13:47:10 -0500
From: brian_olewnick@smtplink.mssm.edu
Subject: Garrett List
Just came back from a disc shopping jaunt and saw, but didn't pick up,
two by Garrett List (trombonist and erstwhile member of MEV and, for
one glorious album, Willem Breuker's Kollektief). Has anyone heard
these? They're with a twelve piece band made up of, apparently,
European musicians, none of whose names, as I recall, rang a bell. I
remember hearing some great List pieces in the late 70's, but never
managed to find the albums.
Brian Olewnick
NP: one of 'em: Bailey's 'Playbacks'
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Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1999 15:58:50 -0500 (EST)
From: Brent Burton <bburton@CapAccess.org>
Subject: axiom/laswell?
hey, isn't there someone on this list who works at axiom? if so, could
you email me. thanks
brent burton
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Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1999 13:27:24 -0800
From: "Patrice L. Roussel" <proussel@ichips.intel.com>
Subject: quizz of the week (100% off topic)
On which record can we find the following sticker?
"Not your typical songbook record.
Features songs written or popularized
by Puccini, Cole Porter, The Spice Girls,
Notorious B.I.G., and Marilyn Manson."
(no, it is not on the last Jim O'Rourke one.)
Patrice.
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Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1999 16:34:47 -0500
From: "Heather and Jeff" <hijk@gateway.net>
Subject: Re: quizz of the week (100% off topic)
>
> On which record can we find the following sticker?
>
> "Not your typical songbook record.
> Features songs written or popularized
> by Puccini, Cole Porter, The Spice Girls,
> Notorious B.I.G., and Marilyn Manson."
>
>(no, it is not on the last Jim O'Rourke one.)
LESTER BOWIE'S BRASS FANTASY!!!!!!!!!!!
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Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1999 13:38:26 -0800
From: "Patrice L. Roussel" <proussel@ichips.intel.com>
Subject: Re: quizz of the week (100% off topic)
On Mon, 22 Feb 1999 16:34:47 -0500 "Heather and Jeff" wrote:
>
> LESTER BOWIE'S BRASS FANTASY!!!!!!!!!!!
Bingo!
Patrice.
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Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1999 15:59:16 -0600
From: "Robert A. Pleshar" <rpleshar@midway.uchicago.edu>
Subject: Re: quizz of the week (100% off topic)
Someone will probably beat me to it, but it's the new Lester Bowie Brass
Fantasy disc.
Anyone heard it?
Ralph
At 01:27 PM 2/22/99 -0800, Patrice L. Roussel wrote:
>
> On which record can we find the following sticker?
>
> "Not your typical songbook record.
> Features songs written or popularized
> by Puccini, Cole Porter, The Spice Girls,
> Notorious B.I.G., and Marilyn Manson."
>
>(no, it is not on the last Jim O'Rourke one.)
>
> Patrice.
>
>-
>
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Date: Mon, 22 Feb 99 16:31:44 -0500
From: brian_olewnick@smtplink.mssm.edu
Subject: Re: quizz of the week (100% off topic)
On which record can we find the following sticker?
"Not your typical songbook record.
Features songs written or popularized
by Puccini, Cole Porter, The Spice Girls,
Notorious B.I.G., and Marilyn Manson."
A wild stab, but something in the back of my head remembers,
mistakenly or not, that Lester Bowie covered a Spice Girls song and,
given that, the others don't seem too far-fetched.
so--Lester?
Brian Olewnick
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Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 01:08:47 -0500
From: Steve Smith <ssmith36@sprynet.com>
Subject: Re: Derek Bailey-Playbacks
Brent Burton wrote:
> what's the word on the kaiser-produced tracks? are they really that
> screwed up? his diatribe makes me want to avoid the cd or at least hear
> it before i pick it up.
Especially given the forewarning, I did think that there was *some* small
difference between these tracks and the others. But Henry's a
hyper-perfectionist, the difference is not huge, and it didn't prevent me
from enjoying the disc at all. And if you're at all a Bailey fanatic, not
only should you hear this, but you should buy it quickly as it's reputedly a
limited edition. Lots to digest, but I'll mention early on that I adore the
collaboration with Jim O'Rourke and Loren Mazzacane Connors, "George." The
two drum and bass tracks by Casey Rice also stand out. But there are many
things to enjoy here.
Also picked up "Aida's Call" (with Abe, Yoshizawa and Kondo, on Starlight
Furniture Co.) and "Dynamics of the Impromptu" (with Stevens and Watts, on
Entropy Stereo Recordings), but I haven't gotten to these just yet because
first I had to hear the new Cecil Taylor Quartet disc, "Qu'a Yuba - Live at
Irridium [sic], Vol. 2" (Cadence Jazz), which I also bought tonight
(incredible, as was the first volume).
And so, after a long dry spell, I consign myself once more to credit card
hell. Hmmm, "Aida's Call" has just begun and sounds every bit as much like
a crappy cassette recording as everyone said last month. Oh well, still
have to have it.
And how stupid is it that Kaiser/Oswald/Goodman at Roulette has to be on the
same night and at the same time as Christoph Heeman's first New York gig, at
Tonic? Suppose I'll be at the former, barely.
Steve Smith
ssmith36@sprynet.com
NP - Bailey/Abe/Yoshizawa/Kondo, "Administratio," _Aida's Call_
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Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1999 22:15:28 -0800
From: Herb Levy <herb@eskimo.com>
Subject: Lacy Tzadik in RealAudio
A while back someone asked about the Lacy CD on Tzadik. You can form your
own opinion of three tracks on my show Mappings at Antenna Internet Radio.
Also of interest to folks on the Zorn list this week I've got a short piece
from the Annie Gosfield CD on Tzadik, & other solo pieces by Francois
Houle, Irene Schweitzer & Malcolm Goldstein.
http://www.antennaradio.com/avant/mappings/index.htm
Herb Levy
herb@eskimo.com
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Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 01:33:07 EST
From: JonAbbey2@aol.com
Subject: Re: Derek Bailey-Playbacks
In a message dated 2/23/99 1:11:47 AM, ssmith36@sprynet.com writes:
<< And how stupid is it that Kaiser/Oswald/Goodman at Roulette has to be on
the
same night and at the same time as Christoph Heeman's first New York gig, at
Tonic? Suppose I'll be at the former, barely. >>
yeah, it's too bad. if it helps, Heemann is in the Current 93 incarnation
which is performing that Thursday and Friday. I'm going to the Heemann show so
I'll report back on that.
Jon
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Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 03:07:10 -0500
From: Steve Smith <ssmith36@sprynet.com>
Subject: Re: Derek Bailey-Playbacks
Steve Smith wrote:
> the new Cecil Taylor Quartet disc, "Qu'a Yuba - Live at
> Irridium [sic], Vol. 2" (Cadence Jazz)
Further to my previous post, I have just noticed that "Iridium" is in fact
spelled correctly on the second volume.
Steve Smith
ssmith36@sprynet.com
NP - nothing
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Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 10:36:58 GMT0BST
From: DR S WILKIE <S.Wilkie@swansea.ac.uk>
Subject: Re: Sonny Clark
Cool Struttin' is generally regarded as his best album, and i don't
think I can offer much disagreement with that (Jackie McLean & Art
Farmer)
He made two sextet albums in 1957: Dial S For Sonny and Sonny's Crib.
They're both fine (Coltrane's on the latter) tho not for anyone who
doesn't like mainstream hard-bop. The emphasis here is largely on
the horns and on Sonny's writing (tho' half of Sonny's Crib is
standards).
If you want more of his playing (he takes quite a back seat on the
above albums), try his trio albums: i think the first is called
simply The Sonny Clark Trio (also ca.1957), which features bop-
classics. If you like that, then there's excellent value for money on
the accurately-titles "Standards", one of a mid-price series in the
UK, which combines two Japan-only (?) albums (one of which, called
Blues In the Night, I've seen separately).
Finally, there's Leapin' and Lopin' from 1961 with Tommy Turrentine
and Charlie Rouse. I find this one a little patchy, but it's a good
opportunity to hear Rouse away from Monk.
He died in 1963, I think. All the above are on Blue Note. I like
them a lot, but they're not WAY OUT or anything like that.
Sean Wilkie
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Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 08:12:39 EST
From: Nvinokur@aol.com
Subject: Re: Sonny Clark
Speaking of Monk, ck out C.T. meets Monk on Riverside, recorded May, 1958.
Personnel: Clark Terry, Monk, Sam Jones, bass and Philly Joe Jones, drums.
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Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 08:34:09 -0500
From: "Heather and Jeff" <hijk@gateway.net>
Subject: RE: Sonn Clark
Just a little more info on Sonny Clark for those who are interested:
The two Japanese issues that were combined to make Standards are "Blues in
the night" 12/7/58 with Paul Chambers and Wes Landers and "The 45 Sessions"
9/13/57 & 11/16/58 with two different trios, the PC Wes Landers and with
Philly Joe Jones and Jymie Merritt. Two other notable CD's are the Trio on
Time/West Wind with Max Roach and George Duvivier (whom Zorn and Horvitz
wanted for The Sonny Clark Memorial Quartet originally) and the Quintets
disc with Clifford Jordan, Kenny Burrell, Pete LaRoca and PC. This is a
Japanese CD and there are only 3 tracks with this lineup, but they're all
Sonny originals including Minor Meeting and Eastern Incident.
JK
hijk@gateway.net
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