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Subject: Zorn List Digest V2 #595
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Zorn List Digest Monday, February 15 1999 Volume 02 : Number 595
In this issue:
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Re: First Masada gig
Ivo Perelman - En Adir
For Canadian noise fans...
painkiller: rituals
Bill Frisell
Re: Bill Frisell
Haino/Fushitsusha (Was RE: Thanks)
Prins
Re: Haino/Fushitsusha (Was RE: Thanks)
David Shea?
Re: Prins
Re: What was this?
Re: Haino/Fushitsusha (Was RE: Thanks)
Re: Haino/Fushitsusha (Was RE: Thanks)
Re: David Shea?
Masada+Frisell (was:RE: First Masada gig)
Re: Masada+Frisell (was:RE: First Masada gig)
Re: Prins
Sun Ra
Re: Masada+Frisell (was:RE: First Masada gig)
Wachsmann
Re: Wachsmann
Re: Sun Ra
re: Shea 12"
Re: Wachsmann/Mats Gustafsson
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Date: Sat, 13 Feb 1999 15:32:58 -0500
From: Steve Smith <ssmith36@sprynet.com>
Subject: Re: First Masada gig
hijk wrote:
> >as far as i know....
> >the first Masada gig was at one of the Jewish Culture Festivals at the
> >old knit.
> >
> >Ribot, Perowsky and i think Mark Dresser on bass? i know when i saw it
> >Kato was not playing, and the gig was billed as the world premiere of
> >Masda...so....who knows???
>
> The tape that I have is from the second of two days of interviews that Zorn
> did on WKCR prior to the month long retrospective at the old knit in
> September of 1993. When discussing his "new band", Masada, Ted Pankin asks
> him how long the band has been together and Zorn says, "those were our first
> two gigs." He gives the lineup as:
>
> Ribot/Perowsky/Hideki and the date as either 8/19/93 or 8/20/93 (?).
That would seem to be the correct answer straight from the source... I had just
gotten to NYC in June of that year and wasn't fully acclimated, so that gig slid
right past me.
For the die-hard trivia buffs, I think it's relatively safe to say that the
first-ever live performance of the Douglas/Cohen/Baron Masada took place on
September 12, 1993 at the original Knitting Factory, only it was not billed as
Masada at all. The band was called Thieves Quartet. Zorn explains why in the
program booklet for the month-long 40th birthday celebration:
"This was my most recent soudntrack, and the band was so good I just had to do a
gig with them. This was also the first time I recorded on piano. Comping
behind a soloist is one of the great pleasures in life. My influences on piano:
Dick Twardzick, Bill Triglia, Bill Evans, early Cecil Taylor."
Interestingly enough, there was also a Masada gig during the birthday month:
September 22, with a lineup of Ribot, Sebastian Steinberg and Joey Baron. Steve
Drury played Ligeti, Mahler and Anthony Coleman on the same bill... I missed
both Thieves Quartet and Masada, but caught many other great things.
The more I think about it, the more it seems like a great idea for Zorn to offer
up one disc of alternate Masadas in the planned Tzadik live series.
Steve Smith
ssmith36@sprynet.com
NP - bloodcount, "No, Ma'am," _Unwound_
- -
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Date: Sun, 14 Feb 1999 15:07:41 +0200
From: Tal Goldman <telly_o@softhome.net>
Subject: Ivo Perelman - En Adir
>It's more on the "jazz" than the "Klezmerish" style, but try Ivo
>Perelman's "En Adair" (Music and Arts) --Perelman (ts); Marilyn
Crispell
>(p); William Parker (b); Gerry Hemmingway (d)
>Ken Waxman
>cj649@torfree.net
Have to say that this one didn't do that much for me....There's a lot of
Perelman playing way "out" - which sounds to me like David S. Ware
playing "out" but
not as melodic or lyrical; lots of growling. Crispell sounds good
though and
some arrangements are nice.
Tal Goldman
telly_o@softhome.net
- -
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Date: Sun, 14 Feb 1999 09:27:16 PST
From: "Brad Elsie" <b__elsie@hotmail.com>
Subject: For Canadian noise fans...
February 19 - Montreal @ Hotel 2 Tango:
MSBR
Government Alpha
Alexandre St-Onge/Sam Shalabi
Annihilist
Monstre
Teashop Madman
February 21 - Toronto @ The Reverb:
MSBR
Government Alpha
Knurl
TADM
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Date: Sun, 14 Feb 1999 19:35:37 EST
From: Sulacco@aol.com
Subject: painkiller: rituals
ok so since i have received several posts regarding my cryptic message before
about this cd, i figured i would just say what i have 2 say and if people feel
inspired, they can email me.
i can make cd-r copies of this album. i don't feel bad about doing it (like
i'm ripping them off) because the disc has been outta print since jesus was a
baby. i would prefer trading cds, but if that's not possible, i could do it
for cost of the cd-r and shipping.
- -
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Date: Sun, 14 Feb 1999 19:15:36 -0600 (CST)
From: Vlad-Drac@webtv.net (Theo Klaase)
Subject: Bill Frisell
I am now endorsing, with much praise, the Bill Frisell album "Where in
the World," to any one who gives a damn....
}Theodorus--
- -
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Date: Sun, 14 Feb 1999 20:58:04 EST
From: Sulacco@aol.com
Subject: Re: Bill Frisell
In a message dated 2/14/99 8:18:03 PM Eastern Standard Time, Vlad-
Drac@webtv.net writes:
> the Bill Frisell album "Where in
> the World," to any one who gives a damn....
yeah i'm actually a fan of a lot of that "era" like "is that you?" and "where
in the world". i heartily 2nd this recommendation, like u said, 2 any1 who
gives a damn
- -
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Date: Sun, 14 Feb 1999 22:18:13 -0800
From: "Benito Vergara" <sunny70@sirius.com>
Subject: Haino/Fushitsusha (Was RE: Thanks)
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-zorn-list@lists.xmission.com
> [mailto:owner-zorn-list@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Gabriel
> Lichtmann
> Sent: Thursday, February 11, 1999 2:03 AM
> Oh! and I finally got my hands on some fushitsuha cd's, and I
> absolutely love them. They are "Withdrawe this sable Disclosure..." and
> "Allegorical Misunderstanding" (not so good, but excellent anyway). Any
> recomendations on other Haino/Fushitsuha/records?
I believe David Keffer is the resident expert on this list, but I'll respond
anyway: I think the critical consensus is that the two double live
Fushitsusha discs are the best of his prodigious output, but they're pretty
darn expensive (I haven't heard them either).
"The Caution Approaches" is more of a noise barrage than the mellower
"Allegorical Misunderstanding" (who was it that described it as "Haino in
love?"). Of more interest to Zornheads would be "An Unclear Trial: More Than
This," with Haino, Greg Cohen on bass, and Joey Baron on drums. Never been
much of an improv fan, but I love the way the musical phrases evolve and how
they bounce ideas off each other. A fun disc.
Later,
Ben
http://www.bigfoot.com/~bvergara/
ICQ# 12832406
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Date: Mon, 15 Feb 1999 09:10:10 +0100
From: Anders Fransson <anders.fransson@bibl.oru.se>
Subject: Prins
Hi!!!
In a concert some months ago, in Stockholm. Lee Ranaldo, saxist Mats
Gustavsson
and a Duch guy, Gert-Jan Prins played together. No I wasn=B4t there. But
this man
Prins is said to create sounds out of old radio and television sets.
I have never heard of him. Has anybody heard of him? Has he recorded any
discs?
Anders
- --=20
_________________________________________________________________________=
____
Anders Fransson, universitetsbiblioteket, =D6rebro universitet,
701 82 =D6rebro, Sweden.
e-mail. anders.fransson@bibl.oru.se
Phone. +46 19 30 38 66
Fax. +46 19 30 38 55
_________________________________________________________________________=
____
- -
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Date: Mon, 15 Feb 1999 03:24:51 -0800
From: <sheepherder@uswest.net>
Subject: Re: Haino/Fushitsusha (Was RE: Thanks)
> "The Caution Approaches" is more of a noise barrage than the mellower
> "Allegorical Misunderstanding" (who was it that described it as "Haino in
> love?"). Of more interest to Zornheads would be "An Unclear Trial: More Than
> This," with Haino, Greg Cohen on bass, and Joey Baron on drums. Never been
> much of an improv fan, but I love the way the musical phrases evolve and how
> they bounce ideas off each other. A fun disc.
>
i absolutely agree!! "unclear trial" is a must have for everyone on the list.
in fact i just bought it two days ago. it must have just been rereleased in
standard random Avant fashion. the music? well it showcases joey and haino
improvising together in sympatico fashion as the amazing drummer always works.
cohen backs it up with some meaty string bass reminiscent of noisier masada
sections.
i was fairly surprised to find Haino releasing a work such as this, considering
the rest of his output that i have heard. but as it is and Avant album i do not
have i had to buy it. i buy them all, as i discover them in stores. up to
about 40! i found it to be on par with everyting else in the library.
does anyone know what albums have come out on Avant since Dragon Blue?
patrick in portland
- -
------------------------------
Date: Mon, 15 Feb 1999 05:51:33 -0600
From: "Marks, Andy" <Andy.Marks@mts.com>
Subject: David Shea?
> I saw this listed in a catalog
> Anybody got this and/or know what its like?
>
> DAVID SHEA/LAND OF PURE ILLUSION 12
- -
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Date: Mon, 15 Feb 1999 13:09:43 +0200
From: "J.T. de Boer" <J.T.de.Boer@let.rug.nl>
Subject: Re: Prins
Gert-Jan Prins recorded some albums with Luc Houtkamp, a dutch
sax-player and composer of live (interactive) electronic music. They
have a website:
http://www.xs4all.nl/~xorluc
Jeroen
> Hi!!!
>
> In a concert some months ago, in Stockholm. Lee Ranaldo, saxist Mats
> Gustavsson
> and a Duch guy, Gert-Jan Prins played together. No I wasn=B4t there. But
> this man
> Prins is said to create sounds out of old radio and television sets.
> I have never heard of him. Has anybody heard of him? Has he recorded any
> discs?
>
>
> Anders
> --
> ________________________________________________________________________=
_____
> Anders Fransson, universitetsbiblioteket, =D6rebro universitet,
> 701 82 =D6rebro, Sweden.
> e-mail. anders.fransson@bibl.oru.se
> Phone. +46 19 30 38 66
> Fax. +46 19 30 38 55
> ________________________________________________________________________=
_____
>
> -
>
>
- -
------------------------------
Date: Mon, 15 Feb 1999 23:43:22 +1030
From: "BLA BLA BLA" <isis@wantree.com.au>
Subject: Re: What was this?
>>isis@wantree.com.au wrote:
>>
>>Currently Playing : Mick Harris + Martyn Bates : Murderr Ballads 3CD
>
>What's this all about?
>
it's probably of no interest to anyone, but instead of a .sig thingo I just
put down what I'm listeing to at the time that I'm writing the e-mail
*shrug* just something that I do......
cheers......
Currently Playing- Bounty Killer : My Xperience
- -
------------------------------
Date: Mon, 15 Feb 1999 08:21:54 -0500
From: Brian Olewnick <olewnik@IDT.NET>
Subject: Re: Haino/Fushitsusha (Was RE: Thanks)
> > Oh! and I finally got my hands on some fushitsuha cd's, and I
> > absolutely love them. They are "Withdrawe this sable Disclosure..." and
> > "Allegorical Misunderstanding" (not so good, but excellent anyway). Any
> > recomendations on other Haino/Fushitsuha/records?
FWIW and apparently not the consensus pick, my favorite Haino disc, with
or without Fushitsusha, is 'Pathetique' (PSFD 50). On sustained drama
alone.
Brian Olewnick
NP: AEC, 'Kabalaba'
- -
------------------------------
Date: Mon, 15 Feb 1999 06:02:46 -0800 (PST)
From: Eric Martens <ericmartens@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Haino/Fushitsusha (Was RE: Thanks)
> > > Any
> > > recomendations on other Haino/Fushitsuha/records?
A couple I really like, both solo, are "I said, This is the Son of
Nihilism" on Table of the Elements, about an hour of just guitar &
voice, alternating calm, quiet passages and big storms of noise; and
"So, Black is Myself" on Alien8, which is kind of creepy & droney &
minimalist-sounding.
Eric
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- -
------------------------------
Date: Mon, 15 Feb 1999 11:38:09 EST
From: Slntwtchr@aol.com
Subject: Re: David Shea?
>> I saw this listed in a catalog
>> Anybody got this and/or know what its like?
>>
>> DAVID SHEA/LAND OF PURE ILLUSION 12
i think this is just a 12" of tracks from 'the tower of mirrors' cd. not sure
if they're remixes or not.
peace,
dave
___________________________________________________________
bill laswell, eraldo bernocchi, mick harris and lori carson discographies at :
http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Underground/7093
___________________________________________________________
- -
------------------------------
Date: Mon, 15 Feb 1999 20:12:12 +0100
From: "Artur Nowak" <arno@silesia.top.pl>
Subject: Masada+Frisell (was:RE: First Masada gig)
> The more I think about it, the more it seems like a great
> idea for Zorn to offer
> up one disc of alternate Masadas in the planned Tzadik live series.
This is great idea! Masada is one of my favourite Zorn bands, I got
all their albums and I was always curious how this band sounds like
with other people like Ribot, Coleman... and Frisell! Masada was once
in Poland, playing tunes from the first three albums, with the
"original" lineup (Zorn/Douglas/Cohen/Baron). But recently I got a CDR
with Masada and Frisell playing together at Knitting Factory, April
10th 1996.. This was a suprise! Frisell cound not catch the
klezmer-like tunes and it took some time for him to get into it. But
the band had fun (Zorn: "play the fucking guitar, he, he...") and the
whole show was very interesting (for me, being Frisell fan, especially
:-)
I was wondering, how many times did they (Masada and Frisell) play
together? The gig I mentioned sounds like one-night event, you can
tell that Frisell is playing with Masada for the first time. Was it
the last time also?
__________________________________________________________________
Artur Nowak [arno AT silesia.top.pl]
www.silesia.top.pl/~arno/default.htm - Discography of Bill Frisell
- -
------------------------------
Date: Mon, 15 Feb 1999 13:03:34 -0700 (MST)
From: Corey Marc Fogel <mecorey@imap3.asu.edu>
Subject: Re: Masada+Frisell (was:RE: First Masada gig)
On Mon, 15 Feb 1999, Artur Nowak wrote:
> 10th 1996.. This was a suprise! Frisell cound not catch the
> klezmer-like tunes and it took some time for him to get into it. But
i have that recording...it sounds like he's just being Bill Frisell to me. I
think he knows what klezmer is.
> together? The gig I mentioned sounds like one-night event, you can
> tell that Frisell is playing with Masada for the first time. Was it
> the last time also?
was it the first time?
- -
------------------------------
Date: Sun, 14 Feb 1999 19:06:54 -0500
From: Tom Pratt <tpratt@ctech.smtc.net>
Subject: Re: Prins
Anders Fransson wrote:
> Hi!!!
>
> In a concert some months ago, in Stockholm. Lee Ranaldo, saxist Mats
> Gustavsson
> and a Duch guy, Gert-Jan Prins played together. No I wasn=B4t there. Bu=
t
> this man
> Prins is said to create sounds out of old radio and television sets.
> I have never heard of him. Has anybody heard of him? Has he recorded an=
y
> discs?
He's on a good amount of CD's - all on the X-OR label he runs with saxoph=
onist
Luc Houtkamp (with the exception of the Gorgonzola Legs disc). I have the=
solo
NOISE CAPTURE and LIVE IN CANADA '97 with Houtkamp and Fred van Hove. The=
solo
disc is a very dynamic organization of sounds from percussion, TV, radio =
and
electronics which I would loosely describe as David Tudor meets Trent Rez=
nor. The
trio disc is a very long improvisation. They're both okay/good... There's=
also a
trio disc with Mats Gustafsson and Misha Mengelberg and two CD's with an
experimental rock trio called Analecta though I haven't heard them.
Check out Prins' page at the European Free Improvisors site:
http://www.shef.ac.uk/misc/rec/ps/efi/musician/mprins.html
-Tom Pratt
- -
------------------------------
Date: Mon, 15 Feb 1999 21:00:21 -0600
From: Paul Chavez <pmchavez@earthlink.net>
Subject: Sun Ra
Just curious what are people's opinion on Sun Ra. I haven't seen much
discussion on him with this list.
- -
------------------------------
Date: Mon, 15 Feb 1999 22:13:22 EST
From: IOUaLive1@aol.com
Subject: Re: Masada+Frisell (was:RE: First Masada gig)
Frisell first sat in with Masada in Seattle, October 16,1994. The Knit in '96
was the second and last as far as I know.
That gig with Frisell at the Knit- was amazing! Listen to Frisell's playing
on the first tune alone, definitely one of my all time favourite guitar solos.
I think its impossible for him to sound bad, no matter what the setting.
- -
------------------------------
Date: Sun, 14 Feb 1999 22:23:37 -0500
From: Tom Pratt <tpratt@ctech.smtc.net>
Subject: Wachsmann
Someone mentioned a Phil Wachsmann/Paul Lovens new release on ECM... I
haven't seen it around. Is it a Germany only ECM release or what?
Maya had plans a little while back of releasing a disc of duets between
Wachsmann and pianist Paul Plimley. Does anyone know what happened to
that?
-Tom Pratt
- -
------------------------------
Date: Mon, 15 Feb 1999 23:17:12 EST
From: JonAbbey2@aol.com
Subject: Re: Wachsmann
In a message dated 2/15/99 10:43:36 PM, tpratt@ctech.smtc.net writes:
<< Someone mentioned a Phil Wachsmann/Paul Lovens new release on ECM... I
haven't seen it around. Is it a Germany only ECM release or what? >>
yup, as is the new Roscoe Mitchell.
Jon
- -
------------------------------
Date: Mon, 15 Feb 1999 23:46:54 -0500
From: Otis Wheeler <owheeler@javanet.com>
Subject: Re: Sun Ra
> Just curious what are people's opinion on Sun Ra. I haven't seen much
> discussion on him with this list.
I dig. Seeing the Arkestra perform in an old warehouse in Vermont was
my introduction to free-jazz (as obscure as it sounds, it was only
last summer). I only have a handful of Ra records among the
truckloads that are out there, but I quite enjoy both Outer Spaceways
Incorporated and, especially, The Magic City - gotta love that
clavioline!
- -
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Date: Mon, 15 Feb 1999 20:37:19 -0800
From: Gene Natalia <anubis9@concentric.net>
Subject: re: Shea 12"
I have the Land of Pure Illusion 12". It's 3 remixes of that song and
another song called "breathe," which I'm particularly fond of, but is also
available on Sub Rosa's super-cheap Underwood Three compilation, which in
turn has plenty of good stuff on it. So, I'd say unless you are a DJ and
want to spin some David Shea, go find the Underwood Three comp. None of
the remixes on the 12" are earth-shattering, but they are good, so if you
are a Shea completist...
-Ethan
- -
------------------------------
Date: Mon, 15 Feb 1999 23:51:55 -0500
From: eric ong <eso200@is5.nyu.edu>
Subject: Re: Wachsmann/Mats Gustafsson
><< Someone mentioned a Phil Wachsmann/Paul Lovens new release on ECM... I
>haven't seen it around. Is it a Germany only ECM release or what? >>
>
>yup, as is the new Roscoe Mitchell.
The new Roscoe Mitchell and The Note Factory "Nine to Get Ready" (ECM) is
set for a March 9th release date in the United States. As is new ECM stuff
from Charles Lloyd and Peter Erskine. Like always, the US release schedule
is still running behind the rest of the world.
Also, Mats Gustafsson's name has come up recently. I went record shopping
the other day and saw what seemed to be a new Gustafsson duet disc with a
cello player. Nice paper packaging, limited edition I think as well.
Anyone know what I'm referring to? Any opinions on it? Well, I was
intending to buy it, but I put it down for a second and turned my back,
when someone else snatched it. Does anyone have the label info for this
disc? I'll confess that I'm just beginning to get a feel for Gustafsson's
playing, and I think I might need another push in the right direction.
Thanks,
eric.
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