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Zorn List Digest        Sunday, January 3 1999        Volume 02 : Number 565



In this issue:
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       Zorn article
       RE: parachute years
       Re: parachute years
       Re: parachute years
       Nancarrow
       Re: parachute years
       For Sale
       Spearman on Tzadik
       David S Ware Interview, Coltrane book
       1998 LIVE (some Zorn)
       The COBRA Ensemble - Cincinnati
       Wayne Krantz, MP3 (was Re: 1998 LIVE (some Zorn))
       Re: MP3 (was Re: 1998 LIVE (some Zorn))
       zorn-list Administrivia InfoPack (VERY LONG)

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Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1998 23:54:13 -0500
From: Perfect Sound Forever <[e-mail]>
Subject: Zorn article

I'll wager that people here already know about this but just in case....

http://www.theatlantic.com/unbound/jazz/dzorn.htm

J

Perfect Sound Forever
online music magazine
[e-mail]
http://www.furious.com/perfect

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Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1998 09:41:35 +0100
From: "Artur Nowak" <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: parachute years

> The music is really demanding. It is free-improv based
> (hey! Derek Bailey was
> a huge influence on Chadbourne and Zorn in the '70s), but
> Zorn has already
> added his "structures" to channel the energy and ideas of
> the players.

I have this album and I still didn't found the "key" to this music.
What are the "structures"? I was reading carefully (as far as my
english is sufficient) all mails about the "game pieces" which Zorn
invented/created, and I still don't get it (yes, you can call me
stupid). I don't listen to demanding music for the first time of my
life, but when it comes to Parachute/improv/game-stuff I'm helpless.

So far improv seems to me to be live-show music only. I saw Fred
Frith's show in Bydgoszcz (try to pronounce it!) about month ago, I'm
his fan for years and I knew that sometimes he performs with a guitar
only. Frith looks then like a child having fun with the instrument,
making strange sounds, using all objects located on the stage. But
this is only the "fake" show, the real stuff is pure music, which is
great. I enjoyed the show a lot, although many people were
dissapointed. I was able to hear "structures" in this improvised
music: the rythm (complicated, dense, changing), harmony (atonal),
dynamics, dramatugry of the piece. The point: live show is convincing,
live show has it's own life, and this is probably the best part about
improv. Maybe my sense of "structure" is too traditional, but
Parachute Years seems to me to be structureless and I can't hear the
live play between musicians.

Please give me some hints. Which piece, where is the note, which makes
the whole thing make sense? I really mean it, tell me the minute of
the CD!

My approach may seem to be strange, but I think you have to learn to
listen to demanding music. Unless you are genius.

Regards


__________________________________________________________________
     Artur Nowak [[e-mail]]
     www.silesia.top.pl/~arno/default.htm - Discography of Bill
Frisell



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Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1998 09:09:11 -0800
From: "Patrice L. Roussel" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: parachute years

On Wed, 30 Dec 1998 09:41:35 +0100  "Artur Nowak" wrote:
>
> > The music is really demanding. It is free-improv based
> > (hey! Derek Bailey was
> > a huge influence on Chadbourne and Zorn in the '70s), but
> > Zorn has already
> > added his "structures" to channel the energy and ideas of
> > the players.
>
> I have this album and I still didn't found the "key" to this music.
> What are the "structures"? I was reading carefully (as far as my
> english is sufficient) all mails about the "game pieces" which Zorn
> invented/created, and I still don't get it (yes, you can call me
> stupid). I don't listen to demanding music for the first time of my
> life, but when it comes to Parachute/improv/game-stuff I'm helpless.

Game pieces introduce structure by removing the number of degrees of
freedom (that characterize a pure free-improv situation, at least in
theory). I realize that this is a kind of negative way of looking at it,
in the sense that I describe it by reduction instead of construction :-).

For example, the prompter introduces constraints on time, combination
of performers, mood, genre, speed, volume.

Now game pieces vary in complexity in the definition of the rules
selected for the above constraints. These rules are there to limit
the dictatorship of the prompter who, without rules, could end up
making the performance look like exactly a free-improv performance
(which of course is not the objective).

The rules define the piece (why COBRA is not XU FENG, etc), and the
mood of the prompter combined with the talent of the performers define
the colour of the performance (and its success).

Now, to answer your concern, can a listener (who has never attended a
performance of the piece) figure out what is going on and "reverse-
engineer" the rules in order to get the structure flat? Not me, for
sure.

    Patrice.

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Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1998 15:35:18 EST
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: parachute years

Zorn has said he is more interested in "the way things work", than with the
final outcome.  Which seems obvious to me, in a piece like Cobra.   Ive seen
it performed a couple of times, and it was fun, but to listen to a recording
of it doesn't do much for me.  Its really difficult-- the chemistry has to be
*just right*, and with 12 musicians, thats not an easy thing to accomplish.  I
do enjoy the smaller game pieces (and The Parachute Years).

- -Jody

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Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1998 18:28:49 -0600
From: Herb Levy <[e-mail]>
Subject: Nancarrow

None of Nancarrow's player piano rolls were ever mass-produced.

>Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1998 08:43:12 +1100
>From: Jim Glaspole <[e-mail]>
>Subject: Nancarrow
>
>Hi there
>My parents-in-law have a player piano.  Has any of Nancarrow's scrolls
>ever been manufactured?  If so are they available anywhere?
>Probably stupid questions but thought I'd ask.
>Regards
>Jim Glaspole


Herb Levy
[e-mail]



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Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1998 16:24:39 -0800
From: <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: parachute years

Patrice L. Roussel wrote:

>
>
> Now, to answer your concern, can a listener (who has never attended a
> performance of the piece) figure out what is going on and "reverse-
> engineer" the rules in order to get the structure flat? Not me, for
> sure.
>
>         Patrice.

> i agree this would be a extremely difficult feat wihtout having actually
> composed or played in one.  but i would bet the farm that you patrice, if
> anyone, could "reverse engineer" a Cobra game/piece after many repeat
> attendences to Cobra performances.i dont think it is enough to just listen
> a few times.  it takes effort.

patrick in portland


- -

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Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1999 10:27:29 -0500
From: Risser Family <[e-mail]>
Subject: For Sale

It's the new year, and I'm cleaning house.  A bit of stuff for exotica =
fans, a ton of stuff for zorn fans.
Shipping is one dollar, no matter what the order size.

Please send me an email reserving what you want, and I'll mark your name =
off and give you a total and an address where to send the money order.

Thanks!
Peter

=3D=3D=3D

Across 110th Street OMPS - 8
In the Heat of the Night/Mr Tibbs OMPS - 8
Dimitri from Paris - Sacre Bleu - 8
Scooby's Snack Tracks - 7
V/A - The Spirit of Vampyros Lesbos (sealed) - 11
Air - Sexy Boy single - 4
Liquid Liquid - Liquid Liquid - 8
Bill Horist - Soylent Radio - 6
Phill Niblock - Four Full Flutes - 8
Grateful Dead - Infrared Roses - 8
Panicsville - Last Compulsory Exercise - 3
Otomo Yoshihide - Sound Factory (1997) - 8
Iannis Xenakis - Kraanerg (Asphodel) - 8
Bayete - Umkhaya-Lo - 5
Bayete - and Jaby Khanyile - 5
Bayete - Mbombela - 5
V/A (original artists) - Disco Mania (Heat of Glass/Boogie Fever/You =
Sexy Thing/Ain't No Stoppin' Us Now/Heaven Must Be Missing an Angel) - 3
Babe the Blue Ox - People - 4
Thymme Jones - Career Move - 8
Lake of Dracula - Lake of Dracula - 8
Lazy K - Life in One Day - 7
Pretty in Pink OMPS - 6
Replikants - This Is Our Message - 5
Gearwhore - Drive - 7
Marcy Playground - Marcy Playground - 7
Herbie Hancock - Mwandishi (Complete Warner Recordings: 2 discs) - 12
Freaky Chakra - Blacklight Fantasy - 7
Versus - Two Cents Plus Tax - 6
Kronos Quartet - Piano and String Quartet (Morton Feldman) - 8
King Crimson - Epitaph (early live recordings, recently remastered; 2 =
discs) - 12
Legendary Jim Ruiz - Sniff - 8
Getaway Cruiser - Getaway Cruiser - 8
Ultra Baby Fat - Silver Tone Smile - 8
MuZiq - Brace Yourself EP - 7
Palace Songs - Palace Songs - 8
Jewel - Pieces of You - 7
Blues Traveller - Four - 7
No Doubt - Tragic Kingdom - 7
Hundred Sights of Koenji - Hundred Sights of Koenji - 15
Arthur Lyman - Taboo 2 - 8
Mix-Master Mike - Anti-Theft Device (Asphodel promo, no sleeve) - 5
Gastr Del Sol - Camofleur - 8
Uzeda - Different Section Wires - 8
Diamanda Galas - Malediction and Prayer - 8
Pointless Orchestra - Approaching Tonality - 8
Twelve Caesars - Youth Is Wasted on the Young - 8
Ryuichi Sakamoto - Discord - 8
=20


- -

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Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1999 18:41:29 -0500 (EST)
From: Ken Waxman <[e-mail]>
Subject: Spearman on Tzadik


 When I spoke to the late tenor saxophonist Glenn Spearman at the Vision
 Fest last summer he told me that he and his double trio had just recorded
 a session for Zorn that was to appear on Avant or Tzadik.

 I just found out that it will appear on Tzadik in late January, and if
 it's as good as his most recent Black Saint, "The Fields" it's a definite
 buy for anyone.

 The double trio is made up of Spearman and Larry Ochs on reeds, Chris
 Brown on piano, Lisle Ellis on bass and Don Robinson and Willie Winant on
 percussion. The name is sort of a "hommage" to Ornette's Double Quartet,
 but with "new music" influences.

  Spearman was an underappreciated (is there any other type?) avant gardist
  who got his grounding from the source playing with the late tenor man
  Frank Wright in Paris. He recorded with a cross section of other far
  sighted musicians including Raphe Malik, William Parker etc. and I can
  forward some other listening recommendations if people are interested.

  Ken Waxman
  [e-mail]


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Date: Fri, 01 Jan 1999 19:46:08 -0500
From: Perfect Sound Forever <[e-mail]>
Subject: David S Ware Interview, Coltrane book

Greetings,

In the latest edition of Perfect Sound Forever
<http://www.furious.com/perfect>, you'll find (among other things):

JOHN COLTRANE
Lewis Porter talks about his new Trane book and researching jazz

http://www.furious.com/perfect/coltrane.html

DAVID S WARE INTERVIEW
The Crystalline Idea

http://www.furious.com/perfect/davidsware.html

Plus... staff picks for the best releases of 1998

We're always looking for good material so let us know if you have any
writing or ideas for upcoming issues.


Happy new year!  See you online.
Jason

Perfect Sound Forever
online music magazine
[e-mail]
http://www.furious.com/perfect

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Date: Sat, 2 Jan 1999 02:39:45 EST
From: [e-mail]
Subject: 1998 LIVE (some Zorn)

1998 was a great year for live shows.  I probably saw 50 or 60 live shows in
NYC this year (normally would be more, but was out of town alot).  The things
that stand out in my mind the most:

Being blown away time after time by drummer Jim Black.  Saw him with Pachora;
the Tiny Bell Trio; Bloodcount (trio version); Drew Gress with Tim Berne and
Uri Caine; and on Christmas eve with Jamie Saft, Chris Speed and a bassist
named Johnatan Maron.  I think that gig may have been his most powerful, but
then again every time I see him I think he outdoes himself.
Saw a few Zorn gigs, including a couple with John Medeski and Marc Ribot, one
with Cornell Rochester on drums.  Probably not the best choice of drummer for
what they were doing.  Saw them at Wetlands with Sim Cain, and thought it was
much better.
Two sets in the front row at Tonic for Fred Frith was incredible.
Tim Berne's Big Satan in the Old Office with Tom Rainey and Marc Ducret.
Slowpoke, with Dave Tronzo, Michael Blake, Tony Scherr and Kenny Wolleson.
Mark Dresser, Skuli Sverrisson, Gerry Hemmingway and Mike Sarin @ Tonic.
Vernon Reid with Don Byron and Pheroan Aklaff @Tonic.
Umezu Kazutoki with Dougie Bowne and Melvin Gibbs, again, at Tonic.
I caught many many gigs of Wayne Krantz at the 55 Bar.  Not really a part of
the downtown scene, his music is a  jazz/rock thing, but he is one of the best
improvisers I have ever heard.   I have seen some pretty remarkable musicians
in attendance at his gigs, including Mark Feldman, Tim Berne, Marc Ducret,
Walter Becker, and Cecil Taylor (at least 5 or 6 times!!), to name a few, well
worth checking out on a Thursday night and will only cost you two drinks.

Best gig of 1999:
1/1/99 Zorn at Tonic with Ikue Mori, Erik Friedlander, Mark Dresser, Andy
Haas, Dave Douglas, Jim Staley, Josh Roseman.  I cannot remember the name of
the French female vocalist who was there as well.
If anyone would like to hear an excerpt from this gig, goto:
http://members.aol.com/ioualive1/zorntoni.mp3
It's a downloadable mp3 audio file.  This excerpt features Zorn, Mori and
Friedlander.

- -Jody McAllister

- -

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Date: Sat, 2 Jan 1999 17:05:58 EST
From: [e-mail]
Subject: The COBRA Ensemble - Cincinnati

Anyone in or ever make it to Cincinnati? I caught this group at club DV8
downtown. They play sets of COBRA, and apparently have done some other
projects. I thought it was absolutely great, though it was my first time
seeing it live. If any of you were there let's talk about it. Oh, they have an
email address to get info on upcoming concerts or whatever --
[e-mail]. Joseph.

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Date: Sat, 02 Jan 1999 17:49:10 -0500
From: Steve Smith <[e-mail]>
Subject: Wayne Krantz, MP3 (was Re: 1998 LIVE (some Zorn))

[e-mail] wrote:

> I caught many many gigs of Wayne Krantz at the 55 Bar.  Not really a part of
> the downtown scene, his music is a  jazz/rock thing, but he is one of the best
> improvisers I have ever heard.   I have seen some pretty remarkable musicians
> in attendance at his gigs, including Mark Feldman, Tim Berne, Marc Ducret,
> Walter Becker, and Cecil Taylor (at least 5 or 6 times!!)

This last bit about Cecil is remarkable.  He seems to be keeping an eye on some of
the more formidable electric players lately... at a recent run at Yoshi's he was
supposed to have been joined by the Jaco-esque Cameroonian electric bassist
Richard Bona, but Richard ended up being left off that gig because finishing his
debut album interfered with the copious rehearsal time Mr. Taylor demands.  Having
made but one of the rehearsals, Richard remarked that no other musician had ever
"kicked my ass so hard" as Taylor.

Could you imagine a CT Unit with Krantz and Bona? ;-)  Meanwhile, Krantz can be
heard with Berne and Feldman on Michael Formanek's "Extended Animation" disc on
Enja.

> If anyone would like to hear an excerpt from this gig, goto:
> http://members.aol.com/ioualive1/zorntoni.mp3
> It's a downloadable mp3 audio file.  This excerpt features Zorn, Mori and
> Friedlander.

For some reason this downloaded as an MP2, not an MP3.  Doesn't seem to matter,
though... it's bubbling nicely out of my Winamp as I type this.

Has anybody else found or posted any interesting MP3 material out there?  I've
found a nice Dave Douglas Sextet recording from Europe and a longish thing with
Frisell, Horvitz, the current Zony Mash bassist (not Fred Chalenor) and Scott
Amendola, but that's about it.  I hope to be offering some Berne material in
RealAudio and MP3 on the Screwgun site in the coming year.

Steve Smith
[e-mail]

>
>
> -Jody McAllister
>
> -




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Date: Sun, 3 Jan 1999 20:26:54 EST
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: MP3 (was Re: 1998 LIVE (some Zorn))

In a message dated 1/2/99 5:52:06 PM Eastern Standard Time,
[e-mail] writes:

> Has anybody else found or posted any interesting MP3 material out there?
I've
>  found a nice Dave Douglas Sextet recording from Europe and a longish thing
> with Frisell, Horvitz, the current Zony Mash bassist (not Fred Chalenor) and
Scott
>  Amendola, but that's about it.  I hope to be offering some Berne material
in
>  RealAudio and MP3 on the Screwgun site in the coming year.

I have found very few good MP3 sites out there.   I assume you mean strictly
live material, and there isnt much interest in live recordings of "our" kind
of music, let alone hearing it from the web.  But I think that MP3 is by far
the best thing around as far as audio on the web goes.  I can never get
(un)RealAudio to play without interruptions; I'd rather take the time to
download something and hear it in much better quality.   (You can also stream
MP3's, but it only works well with really low quality files.)

I have a new favorite show of 1999:
1/2/99  Briggan Krauss'  "Sharp Putty" from the Old Office.  This is sort of
an all star group, featuring Briggan, Eyvind Kang, Anthony Coleman, Kenny
Wolleson, and Skuli Sverrisson.  You can download an 11 minute mp3 here:
http://www.geocities.com/timessquare/dome/6373/putty2.mp3


- -Jody

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Subject: zorn-list Administrivia InfoPack (VERY LONG)

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VACATIONS AND OUT-OF-OFFICE AUTO-REPLIES
    If you won't be checking your mail for more than a few days, you should
    consider switching to a digest subscription or stopping the list messages
    entirely during that time. Otherwise, your mailbox could fill up during
    your absence. Besides being a nuisance when you return, this can cause
    you to miss important messages. The "mailbox full" errors will also
    cause you to be removed from the list, as described in the previous
    section YOU MAY BE REMOVED FROM THE LIST.

    If you use any form of auto-reply message, particularly the automated
    out-of-office messages supported by some e-mail systems, and you receive
    individual messages from the mailing list, your auto-reply messages may
    be sent to everyone who posts a message to the mailing list during your
    absence. Auto-reply messages may be treated as errors and you may be
    removed from the list.


SIGNATURE BLOCKS
    Distinctive signature blocks are a tradition on the Internet, but on
    the Zorn list we ask members to keep the signature shorter than the
    message as a courtesy to other members. Ideally, signatures should not
    exceed a few lines. Large ASCII graphics are particularly distracting
    and unacceptable.

    The most important part of the posting should be your message,
    not your signature.


MESSAGES IN LANGUAGES OTHER THAN ENGLISH
    The mailing list is international, and it is important to assist people
    who don't read and write English as long as we can do so without disrupting
    the list. Also, we shouldn't be hypercritical and nitpicking of
    list members language skills. However, it's best if messages can be
    posted in English simply so the largest number of people can participate
    in the discussions. It's strictly a pragmatic issue.

    French speaking fans of creative avant-garde improv music may be
    interested in the Fennec mailing list. For more information, please
    visit their website at http://www.fennec.digiweb.fr/


NETIQUETTE
    Here are a few tips on netiquette:

    DON'T send lines longer than 75 characters. This is a kindness to folks
    who have terminal-based mail editors. Some mail gateways truncate
    extra characters, turning your deathless prose into gibberish.

    Some mail editors seem to insert line breaks for you but actually don't,
    so every paragraph turns into one immense line. Learn what your mail
    editors do by mailing a message to yourself and reading the message in
    several mail readers. Most mail programs will let you read your message
    in a plain, vanilla form, the way others will see it.

    DON'T SEND A MESSAGE IN ALL CAPS. CAPITALIZED MESSAGES ARE HARDER TO
    READ THAN LOWERCASE OR MIXED-CASE MESSAGES.

    DO use normal capitalization. Separate your paragraphs with blank lines.
    Make your message inviting to your potential readers.

    DON'T betray confidences. It's all too easy to mistakenly quote a
    personal message in a message to the entire group.

    DO read the "To:" and "Cc:" lines in your message before you send it.
    Are you sure you want the message to go there?

    DO treat every post as though you were sending a copy to your boss,
    your minister, and your worst enemy.

    DON'T rely on the ability of your readers to tell the difference
    between serious statements and satire or sarcasm. It's hard to write
    humor. It's even harder to write satire.

    DO remember that no one can hear your tone of voice. Use emoticons
    (or smileys) like :-) or ;^) and tilt your head counterclockwise to
    see the smile. You can also use capitalization for emphasis or
    Usenet conventions for italics and underlined text.

    DON'T put a huge signature at the bottom of your messages.

    DO exercise some restraint. Remember that a large number of mail
    editors out there are set up to use proportional fonts, and your lovely
    ASCII art won't look the way you designed it on those readers.
    Remember also that there's a Usenet newsgroup out there whose sole
    function is to make fun of people's signatures.

    DON'T send a message that says nothing but "Me, too."
    Ditto for "I don't know."

    DO recall that you aren't obligated to reply to everything you read.
    Remember the immortal words of Martin Farquhar Tupper (1810-1889):
    "Well-timed silence hath more eloquence than speech."


NOTE TO USERS OF MICROSOFT EXCHANGE, OUTLOOK, OR WINDOWS MESSAGING
    Users of Microsoft Exchange or other RTF-capable e-mail clients may be
    accustomed to formatting e-mail messages using colors, italics,
    different fonts, and other features to emphasize portions of
    their messages. Not every subscriber uses e-mail software that
    interprets messages formatted using RTF.

    To make list postings readable by the entire list membership,
    please follow these procedures:

        If you use a Personal or System Address Book entry to write
        to a list, be sure to clear the "Always send to this recipient
        in Microsoft Exchange Rich Text Format" check box in the
        Address properties.

        If you type in the address, always use the form listname@servername
        and not [SMTP:listname@servername] for messages posted to the list.

        If you reply to a message containing RTF formatting, your reply
        will also contain RTF unless you clear the check box in the
        Address properties as described above.

    Do not use RTF formatting such as font, size, color, italics, bold,
    underline, or bullet lists. Please find ways to show the desired
    emphasis using plain text (such as *text* for bold) and similar methods.

    If you use Exchange Server, creating server commands by pasting data
    can cause errors because the server inserts ">" in front of pasted lines.
    Choose Paste Special from the Edit menu, and Select Text rather than RTF
    to avoid this problem.


NOTE TO MICROSOFT INTERNET MAIL USERS
    If your program configuration options use MIME for attached files,
    your entire message will appear to Exchange users as an attached text
    file. This makes it difficult to read and reply to your contributions
    to the list. To prevent this problem, change the file attachment option
    to UUencode or use the options described below.

    If you send messages as HTML instead of plain text, many list members
    will receive the plain text of your message plus an attached file
    containing the HTML. This is distracting, and any emphasis you
    intended through character formatting such as bold or colors will
    be lost, which can change the apparent meaning of your message.

    Setting the following options can resolve both problems:

        Plain/Text
        MIME
        Encode text using: none
        Allow 8-bit characters in headers (disabled)


NOTE TO cc:Mail USERS
    You must turn off the "Retain Original Text" option when replying to
    list messages. This option automatically includes message headers in
    a way that makes your message resemble a transmission error report.
    As a result, messages with the original text included are not posted
    to the list.

    Also see the previous section, QUOTING IN A REPLY MESSAGE.


FREQUENTLY ASKED QUESTIONS
A list of Frequently Asked Questions (FAQ) to the
list is available at:

    http://browbeat.com/zornlist/faq.html



Thanks for joining the zorn-list.  Enjoy!

    - mike rizzi, [e-mail]



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