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Zorn List Digest      Thursday, November 26 1998      Volume 02 : Number 537



In this issue:
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       Re: Songlines website and tours
       Shin-Ohkubo Gentlemen/Umezu Kazutoki
       david shea on nov. 30th in nyc
       Re: NY Christmas Shows
       Re: dogon a.d.
       could it be?
       Re: could it be?
       Music publishing in general and JZ's in particular
       Re: Music publishing in general and JZ's in particular
       Re: could it be?
       Re: etant donnes (the band)
       Taj Mahal Travellers
       Re:  Taj Mahal Travellers
       Uri Caine's "Mahler" in Philadelphia

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Date: Wed, 25 Nov 1998 19:09:24 -0500
From: Dan Given <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Songlines website and tours

>Date: Wed, 25 Nov 1998 15:34:34 -0800 (PST)
>From: Tony Reif <[e-mail]>
>Subject: Songlines website and tours
>
>Latest releases on Songlines include... Francois Houle's John Carter project
>(with Dave Douglas, Mark Dresser, Peggy Lee, Dylan van der Schyff),

I think I say this every time a new Houle album comes out, but it can't be
stressed enough: BUY THIS.  This is a great album, and a continuation of a
string of amazing recordings.  Canada's most important musician in years.
Houle's music covers a lot of ground - straight jazz, free improv - and he
is more than proficient at all of it.  The John Carter project is more in
the jazz end of the spectrum than some of his recent recordings (the one
with Leandre and Graewe, or the duo with Benoit Delbeq, for instance), and
has some really good playing by Dresser and Douglas. And Lee and Van der
Schyff, who are two more Vancouver treasures worth checking out.

Dan
(who gets these patriotic notions once in a while)


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Date: Wed, 25 Nov 1998 16:45:40 PST
From: "keik-o wenischi" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Shin-Ohkubo Gentlemen/Umezu Kazutoki

frank wrote:
> oh my god, I think I should go NYC!
> I am a BIG fan of Umezu.
> Have a lot of albums and one LP (moers Festival!!)
>
> So please post me the most detailed dsicography of Umezu!

patrice wrote:
> > Igor no Nageki by Shinohkubo Gentlemen(supposedly a mysterious &
> > anonymous band, but surely features Samm Bennett & Umezu among
others)
> > - Music Scene Corp. MSI-10119 (1998)
>
> Would it be possible to provide more info on this one? What I would
like
> is the exact lineup (could Umezu provides it?), and the list of tracks
> with duration.

well... thanx for some of your interest on Umezu's more detailed disco.
i guess i'd start with the 'Shin-Ohkubo Gentlemen'(it seems to be this
one is the right english spelling), then... i'll post some others later.

its CD cover lists names which only would make you laugh...
****
The "Great" kintoki on Soprano sax, alto sax, bariton sax, B-flat
clarinet,  base clarinet, penny whistle, vocal
Abdul Wahaha on rappa violin, violin, electric violin, mandlin, vocal
Igor on piano, keyboard(Elizabeth), vocal
Oka-no-Moses (means 'Moses on the hill') on double bass, vocal
BONE on percussion, samples, vocal
Gudang "Rum"-o on drums, percussion, pocket trumpet,guiter,vocal
++++++
according to some japanese folks' live concert report on the band;
G.K. with silver-blonde hair really resembles Umezu Kazutoki
Abdul in a black jacket & pants but nothing underneath except a bow-tie
& a red rose on the jacket, really resembles Ohta Keisuke
Igor in a white feather coat w/ a red'n'white knitcap, really resembles
Shimizu Kazuto
Oka-no-Moses with a pair of sunglasses & a straw hat, really resembles
Tachibana Yasuhiko
BONE with a baseball hat, really resembles Samm Bennett
Gudang with dreadlocks, really resembles Yoshigaki Yasuhiro

hmmmm... but according to its official release, they are definitely the
group of mysterious foreigners who were brought together by fate... or
something?!!!!? Note: Umezu also wrote extensive review/rumour
collection as a big fan of 'S-O Gentlemen.' if any one of you can
understand japanese, check it at
http://www.j-music.com/umezu/shinohkubog/profile.html
i cannot translate them all since it's soooo long! (he said at one
point, the band members never reveal their real selves & always arrive
in disguises at the venues they'd play... they seems to change the
outfit quite a bit.)
~~~~~~~~~~~~~
as for the duration of each songs on CDs, no infos are avail.
however, song titles are as follows;
1: Igor-no-nageki (Igor's grief) by Igor
2: Ota-no-toruko by Abdul Wahaha - basicaly turkish song
3: Chitei-jin to Saitei-jin (Subterraneans & Worst-eans) by Gudang/Igor
4: Rocker in his forties by The "Great" kintoki
5: Igor-no-tsubuyaki (Igor's whisper) by Igor
6: Fat Back Burner by BONE
7: Boogie Man Song - Take Me Girl, I'm ready (2 songs medley) by Rahsaan
Roland Kirk - Pam Sawyer/La Vern Ware/Johnny Bristol
8: But Then, We Love It by Gudang "Rum"-o
9: Igor-no-tsubuyaki(Igor's whisper): reprise  by Igor
10: Guri-guri by The "Great" kintoki
11: Ayamu by Jeffry Bulle/Japanese words by The "Great" kintoki
12: Let's Make Love by Moses
13: Igor-no-odori (Igor's dance) by Igor
14: Igor-no-yorokobi (Igor's delight) by Igor

All songs are performed & produced by Shin-Okubo Gentlemen


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Date: Wed, 25 Nov 1998 16:58:17 PST
From: "keik-o wenischi" <[e-mail]>
Subject: david shea on nov. 30th in nyc

i just received a digest & realized some people are discussing on David
Shea. if you're in nyc & interested, he'll give free concert on monday,
nov. 30th. it's at the cooler, 416 w. 14th (bet. 9 & 10 av.)
he seems to be performing w/ lisa dillilo.
i don't know the exact time slots, etc. but maybe check
http://www.thecooler.com ...

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Date: Wed, 25 Nov 1998 21:42:05 -0500
From: Steve Smith <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: NY Christmas Shows

Marks, Andy wrote:

> I'll be in NY from Dec. 24 to Dec. 31
> Anybody know anything good that's scheduled
> for then? I don't know of an on-line schedule
> for Tonic (tried www.tonic.com, but wasn't it).

http://www.tonic104.com

December has a very different look to it, given the booking by Vernon
Reid.  Definitely not the same old names.  New Year's Eve will be rung
in with Marc Ribot's Cubanos Postisos.

Also, the New York Times runs a pretty comprehensive website of New York
activities:

http://www.nytoday.com

I note with some bemusement that the third annual Knitting Factory
Christmas Klezmer Festival has been extended to a full week and renamed
Jewsapalooza.  Oh, that Dorf.  But there are some good familiar names on
those bills:

http://www.knittingfactory.com

Steve Smith
[e-mail]



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Date: Wed, 25 Nov 1998 21:56:20 -0500
From: Steve Smith <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: dogon a.d.

Joseph Zitt wrote:

> > This wasn't the only case of Freedom licensing material.  The first Human
> > Arts Ensemble album was originally self-released as well.  And surely there
> > are others.  All of those rights seem to reside with D.A. now.
>
> What is D.A.?

A German outfit with an office in New Jersey that acquired the Black Lion and
Freedom catalogs and maybe a few others.  Did pretty nice reissues in the '80s
and pretty crappy ones in the '90s.  But several have mentioned "Reflections" has
been deleted, and the Downtown Music Gallery $10 sale list #3 included quite a
number of recent D.A. releases, so maybe they're selling the catalog, or maybe
they're about to get serious.  Naahh...

Steve Smith
[e-mail]


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Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 22:22:55 -0500
From: Tom Pratt <[e-mail]>
Subject: could it be?

I just read that there may be plans for Tzadik to issue an old trio
session of Derek Bailey, Milford Graves and Min Tanaka. What a mighty
treat that would be! Does anybody know if there's any truth to this or
have any more information? Thanks.

                                    -Tom Pratt


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Date: Thu, 26 Nov 1998 08:25:08 +0100 (MET)
From: FJG_Lamerikx <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: could it be?


> I just read that there may be plans for Tzadik to issue an old trio
> session of Derek Bailey, Milford Graves and Min Tanaka. What a mighty
> treat that would be! Does anybody know if there's any truth to this or
> have any more information? Thanks.

Speaking of Derek Bailey, a friend of mine claims that his "Music and Dance"
might well be the best CD he owns. Can anyone tell me whether this still is
available, and on which label?

Frankco.


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Date: Wed, 25 Nov 98 17:27:37 -0800
From: Rusty Crump <[e-mail]>
Subject: Music publishing in general and JZ's in particular

Something I've been meaning to ask for several months now:

Does anybody know the back story regarding JZ's music publishing switch
from "Theatre of Musical Optics (BMI) to "Musical Optics (ASCAP)"? Was
Zorn unhappy with BMI? This strikes me as the sort of move that he'd most
likely make with the (harlanellisonian) impetus of moral outrage, "they
done me wrong," etc. etc. blah blah. Checking back, I see that it
happened between Masada 7 and 8, and I believe I saw the change on one of
the Tzadik releases as well. I admit to a purely gossipy sort of interest
in this.

This leads to my more general question. If you'll notice, there's hardly
ever music publishing info on Zorn releases anymore (Masada being an
exception); for that matter, on any releases anymore. Once upon a time,
publishing info would be conspicuous by its absence; now, as on the most
recent Lambchop album, it was conspicuous by its presence.

(Parenthetically, I mention Lambchop as an unsubtle way to plug the band,
esp. their second album, "How I Quit Smoking". The new one's okay, but
nothing matches the psychic weirdness of the second album. Imagine the
string- and reed-drenched country music Billy Sherril produced in the
1960s, with lyrics about children dying in Bosnia, and other typically
Nashvillian topics.)

But back to the question: What changed? What specifically happened to
U.S. (and/or international) copyright law that no longer made it
necessary to include publishing info on the release? And when did the
change occur?

Rusty Crump
Redding, CA


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Date: Thu, 26 Nov 1998 03:49:04 -0800
From: cd <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Music publishing in general and JZ's in particular

> But back to the question: What changed? What specifically happened to
> U.S. (and/or international) copyright law that no longer made it
> necessary to include publishing info on the release? And when did the
> change occur?

1.  The US used to have all these rules about having to give notice of
copyright in order to receive copyright protection.  For example: "(c)
date of publication, publisher's name" in respect of the underlying
compositions and "(p) date of publication, publisher's name" in respect
of the sound recording.  The US has now come in line with the rest of
the world and complied with their treaty obligations (on this issue
anyway) that THEIR CAN BE NO TECHNICAL OR ADMINISTRATIVE BARRIERS TO
COPYRIGHT PROTECTION - if you made it and it's original and it's a
"work", sound recording, cinematograph, or other copyrightable entity,
you are protected.  No need to register, give notice, publish, or
anything else.  However, many countries grant "bonuses" to those who do
register or give notice such as favorable presumptions and expanded
remedies in court should you end up there.

2. I'm guessing here, but part of the reason you would put notice on the
album is so those having to pay royalties or wishing to negotiate for
use of the work knew who to contact.  But, because a vast majority of
performance royalties are now collected/distributed by ASCAP and BMI
(SOCAN in Canada) and a vast majority of the mechanical license
royalties are distributed by Harry Fox (CMRRA in Canada), the user need
only contact the appropriate collective society in most circumstances -
not the publisher -
who then distributes the money to the publisher (after taking their cut)
who then distributes it to the composers (after taking their cut).  The
only reason that I can think of that someone would need to contact the
publisher directly is if they want to use a sample (or otherwise copy
the recording such as for use in a compilation or as part of a film
soundtrack).  Theoretically, you might want scores of the underlying
works, but that is quite rare these days (and the scores are usually
easy to find - there's even a Zorn catalogue now!).  Oh ya - the owner's
of a sound recording and the performers will now get paid for radio play
(and some internet play) in most Rome Treaty countries, but again, this
will be distributed by a collective society for the most part.  See the
RIAA website for info on this point.

Join the CNI-COPYRIGHT list if you're very interested.  They can answer
any of your copyright questions (with footnotes and case sites, and more
clearly and accurately than I can).

Of course, none of this is legal advise and don't rely on it and this
doesn't establish a lawyer/client relationship and all that other junk I
should probably say so that I don't lose my license to practise law
(that I don't have yet).

- -cd

the good news: only 22 days of school left.
the bad news: 3 x 180 minute exams and a 15,000 word paper left.
back to work....

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Date: Thu, 26 Nov 1998 09:52:32 EST
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: could it be?

In a message dated 11/26/98 2:29:04 AM, [e-mail] wrote:

<<Speaking of Derek Bailey, a friend of mine claims that his "Music and Dance"
might well be the best CD he owns. Can anyone tell me whether this still is
available, and on which label?>>

this was one of my Bailey recommendations when we had that discussion a few
months ago. it's a duet with Min Tanaka tap-dancing, and rain beating down on
the outside of the house.

and it is still available, on John Fahey's reissue label, Revenant, the same
label which Steve helped obtain the rights for Cecil Taylor's Nefertiti for.
as always, try Forced Exposure, at www.fe.org.

Jon

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Date: Thu, 26 Nov 1998 11:02:48 -0500
From: "Caleb T. Deupree" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: etant donnes (the band)

At 08:02 AM 11/25/98 PST, Scott Handley wrote:
>Does anyone know what these guys (gals?) are like?  I noticed the name
>and some interesting-looking releases on Staalplaat.  In fact,
>Staalplaat has anumber of cool-looking acts--Scanner, Hafler Trio,
>etc--and I just don't know what any of them are like.  I suppose I'd
>like some input before investing.

I have one album of Etant Donnes, Royaume on Touch.  It's short (about 20
minutes) and extremely puzzling.  I don't listen to it much, but I remember
something like an aural document of some kind of performance art (I read
somewhere that they are performance artists, so I am drawing a conclusion
from a fairly unsatisfactory listening experience, trying to make some kind
of sense from it).  Note that the touch site at hyperreal
(http://www.hyperreal.org/music/labels/touch/touch.htm) contains more
positive information.  If they have other albums I'd be very interested in
hearing about them.

Staalplaat generally puts out interesting stuff, in my somewhat limited
experience.  Hafler Trio is Andrew McKenzie, and he's been doing
soundscapes for probably 15 years.  Their earliest albums actually did have
other players (notably Chris Watson, who makes incredible all-natural
soundscape disks on Touch), but most of the recent ones are solo.  There is
also information about H30 (as they are sometimes known) on the touch web
site mentioned above.  Of the albums listed on the touch site, Thirsty Fish
is generally considered one of their best, although the CD reissue is only
three sides of what was originally a double lp.  Some of their albums are
very short, such as Masturbatorium (which accompanied an Annie Sprinkle
performance) and Fuck (yes, that's really the title, and the cover photo
is, well, in soleilmoon's words, 'extremely tasty cover art you'll want to
show your grandmother.'  Yahoo has three sites listed for them, although
since I run a bit of a paranoid browser (no cookies, java, or javascript),
they wouldn't come up very satisfactorily for me.

Not as familiar with scanner, but he reports occasionally on hyperreal's
ambient list, which discusses this kind of music periodically.

If you think you're interested in Staalplaat, they publish a net newsletter
the Vital Weekly, which contains a half dozen or so reviews of music they
publish and similar efforts.  Info on subscriptions at the
www.staalplaat.com.  Soleilmoon distributes their stuff stateside, and has
periodic net updates and a somewhat informative online catalog at
www.soleilmoon.com.

- --
Caleb Deupree
[e-mail]

Computers are useless; they can only give you answers
- -- Pablo Picasso

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Date: Thu, 26 Nov 1998 11:24:22 -0500
From: "Caleb T. Deupree" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Taj Mahal Travellers

I've gotten a couple of new CDs lately which I'll be reporting on in time,
but I'm very excited about the CD reissue of the Taj Mahal Travellers
August 1974 (that's the title) release.  TMT was Japan's answer to
Stockhausen's improvisational groups of the early 1970s, featuring Fluxus
member Takehisa Kosugi (who plays on the excellent Mode release of Cage's
Five Stone Wind).  Roger Sutherland's _New Perspectives in Music_ book
talked about this group at some length in connection with electroacoustic
improv (such as he practices in his own group Morphogenesis), so I've been
on the lookout for something by them.

This package is two CDs, duplicating fairly closely a 2-lp release.  The
sound is superb.  The music is slow moving, lots of drones and percussion,
but always with a lot going on under the surface.  The set has two long
improvs, split into four tracks (following the lp restrictions), and
although no bonus material has been included, leaving the time at the
original 45 minutes or so per disc, the music doesn't sound dated at all.
A very welcome reissue of an important electronic improvisation group.


- --
Caleb Deupree
[e-mail]

Computers are useless; they can only give you answers
- -- Pablo Picasso

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Date: Thu, 26 Nov 1998 13:08:15 EST
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re:  Taj Mahal Travellers

<<I've gotten a couple of new CDs lately which I'll be reporting on in time,
but I'm very excited about the CD reissue of the Taj Mahal Travellers
August 1974 (that's the title) release.>>

I'm in the middle of Thanksgiving festivities so I have to be brief, but I'd
like to chime in and say this is my current front-runner for reissue of the
year.

Jon

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Date: Thu, 26 Nov 1998 20:45:24 -0500
From: Sweetnighter <[e-mail]>
Subject: Uri Caine's "Mahler" in Philadelphia

Sunday, December 6, 1998

URI CAINE

Urlicht/Primal Light
The Music of Gustav Mahler

Uri Caine (piano)
Mark Feldman (violin)
Ralph Alessi (trumpet)
DJ Olive (electronics)
Drew Gress (bass)
Cornell Rochester (drums)

Unitarian Church, Chestnut Street Between 21st & 22nd, Philadelphia
4 PM

Uri Caine playing the music of Gustav Mahler as performed on his
recording Winter&Winter recording, "Primal Light".

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See http://home.att.net/~lankina/sweetnighter for info on this and
future concerts.
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http://home.att.net/~lankina/jazz

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